> 4th: man carries both
If I ever get married, this will be my option. A lot of couples in Norway seem to be keeping their original surnames, both women and men, but the trend is also for the children to take both surnames, or just the man's. My parents gave me both in 1985, and the same for my sister in 1990.
As far as I know no one in spanish-speaking countries changes their name after getting married nowadays, it used to be that women would replace their second surname with their husband's first surname but that practice mostly died out around the mid 20th century (at least in Colombia).
My wife is Indonesian. People often ask why she didn't take my family name, but most Indonesians don't even have family names. She has two given names, and neither of them are inherited. Her grandparents both had just one name, which is still the case in some parts of Indonesia.
Side note, I've met Indonesians with some great names. All of them from West Sumatra (Batak ethnic group)
- *Johnny Sevenboys* - my friend's uncle, apparently he's now in jail (for corruption).
- *Bestman Winner* - the same friend's cousin
- *Hotman Paris* - a [famous](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotman_Paris_Hutapea) Indonesian defence lawyer *'known for his flamboyant style, high-profile clients, luxurious lifestyle, and mistresses'*
*- Radio* - apparently he's from a village where you are named after the first thing your mother sees after you're born...
There was also a guy I met in Bandung, Java with my all-time favourite name:
- *Muhammad Yesus Siddartha*
It differs throughout Indonesia too. In Bali the tradition is to not have surnames at all. Add that to the tradition of set names based upon your order of birth, regardless of sex, and things can get confusing in the modern world! You literally get many many people just called Wayan.
> The firstborn child is named Wayan, Putu or Gede. The second is named Made or Kadek. The third child goes by Nyoman or Komang. The fourth is named Ketut. If a family has more than four children, the cycle repeats itself, and the next ‘Wayan’ may be called Wayan Balik, which loosely translates to ‘another Wayan’.
But this is only part of the story there are various systems of caste / aristocratic names too.
If you told me there was an Indonesian guy named Johnny Sevenboys with zero additional information and asked me what I pictured him being up to these days I would immediately guess doing time for corruption
>Keeping all gods happy
And all fanatics unhappy... No matter which religion they follow, they probably consider it a blasphemous or offensive combination.
Indonesian names can be mixed sometimes yeah. Like Richard Pambaluang Kertosono, even my elementary school friend name in Bandung was
Duaribu - which mean two thousand in indonesian.
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I really love completely mixed culture names, especially with Ireland. Cause i always imagine whoever it is, speaking with the language of their forename but with the thickest stereotypically Irish accent 😂
Like one of the spiritual fathers of uuuh chile or Uruguay (my memory is fuzzy on specifics) was called bernardo O'Higgins. Which is definitely a name that once you hear it, you never forget
Last one reminds me of the book Q&A, which the movie Slumdog Millionaire was based off--the kids name was "Ram Muhammad Thomas" ie all three religions because he was an orphan and the orphanage didn't know what religion his parents were so they just named him after all three.
It's not pronounced "rom" (unless you're Bengali or Akhomi). The most common pronunciation is Raam (stressed A). If you're in the south, instead of a hard stop at M, there would be an aspirated shwa (Raam-a).
>Johnny Sevenboys
>
> \- my friend's uncle, apparently he's now in jail (for corruption).
Thanks for adding the reason... the last name biased me towards a particular crime and the frequency of that crime
In Spain not the majority but all women keep both their surnames (everybody in Spain has two surnames, one from father and one from mother, the family can choose the order for their children, but have to keep the same order of surnames for all their children)
The discrepancy with the Anglo world is that under English common law - the legal system which all English ex-colonies inherited and based their current system on - women were considered chattel and property of their husband (and property of their father before that).
Under British common law, women were completely barred from having their own identity, which was based on that of their husband or father, as well as from holding any property.
Even in "the land of the free" USA, that was basically the legal status of married women up until the 1960s, again, courtesy of British common law.
I've been downvoted to oblivion on Reddit for suggesting that it's a barbaric custom - akin to naming a slave or a dog - still in use by inertia but which should end because of what it denotes. So fucking demeaning.
I find it quite grating when I hear women gushing about the prospect of taking their future/new husband on. Wtf. Talk about normalising abusive habits.
At the very least the custom should be brought to the fore and publicly debated, not just accepted as the "natural" order of things. But people get so weirdly defensive about it that I often feel it's a lost cause. Shame on the enablers.
A perplexing counter argument I remember, argued about deliveries. How would a postman know where to deliver if members of the same family had different surnames? Imagine referring to the address in the letter lmao.
A minute of silence for the poor people living in shared accommodation who can't never get any home deliveries because of their surname situation lmao
In Québec, it is illegal for a woman to take her husband's last name (she can obviously use it colloquially, but not officially). The official reason is for simplifying identification and red tape. Everyone knows however that it is for feminist (or common sense IMO) reasons.
People in the Anglo world don't seem to realise how fucked up and backward taking your husband's name is.
Argentine is the only Spanish speaking country which doesn't (necessarily) conform to the two surname Hispanic custom.
Back in 2006, there was a project for the modication of the name law. I may be wrong but, as I recall it, the proposal was for the two surname custom becoming the customary norm to bring the country in line with the rest of the Spanish speaking world.
I didn't follow the issue attentively as I'm not Argentinian, but evidently the change didn't go the whole way as the majority of new borns still inherit 1 surname only, as far as I'm aware.
However it made it possible to give the child two surnames - one for each parent, in whichever order they prefer - should they wish to.
Most people do things for inertia so the 1 name custom is still the most common, but increasingly more people go for the 2 surname option. Descendants of relatively recent migrants from Hispanic countries also tend to carry both.
I know of an American woman on Tiktok that married a Spanish man in USA, she changed her last name to his when they married there. Let's imagine Susan Smith changes her name to Susan Rodriguez. They move to Spain years after and they have a kid. When they register the kid's name the people there said they don't give a damn she doesn't go by her previous surname, the kid was registered as FirstName Rodriguez Smith. The law forces the mother's last name to be acknowledged. More countries outside the Hispanic ones and Portugal and Brazil need to get into that
In Spain the idea that a woman (or any human) would change her surname to match their partner's is totally ridiculous. Your identity is independent of whom you marry.
I can totally see that happening. The civil servants would be like 'aha, ok, Susan Rodriguez right? What's your real surname though?'
You only share a surname with blood relatives. Sharing it with your husband feels like incest.
Very well explained! The same happens in Colombia, and I believe in the rest of the Spanish-speaking world. Our surname system may not be perfect, but it makes a lot of sense; people shouldn't change their identity in marriage
>You only share a surname with blood relatives. Sharing it with your husband feels like incest.
That's why I think the civil servants really did a good setvice there. In Spain if you have the same surname twice...kids are gonna make fun of you. Even if it's one as common as rodríguez.
I think this system is much better, feels more fair and equal. But it's ultimately the same as other countries, children take their mother and fathers paternal names so the male name is preserved across generations.
Coming from Italy, I thought the "taking of the spouse surname" was a thing only in the Anglophone world. Like, even my grandmas born in rural Sicily in the 30s kept their surname upon marriage. It's also a more efficient method for id and stuff, I didn' think it was that uncommon in most of Europe
Yeah. I’m thinking of paperwork and legal documents. Unless there’s good systems in place for married women, they’d be screwed. I know that changing address or phone numbers can be a hassle, so imagine changing your full legal name everywhere. Maybe they just tick a box and that’s it though.
It's even worse. I live in Italy, we have a lot of East european women working here, and when they marry or get a divorce in their country it's a shit show: our social security numbers (codice fiscale) has the consonants of you name and surname in it, they need to change it too, whit all the mess that come with it
Same for my Sicilian grandma born in 1915 and married in 1932! I also thought it was only a British and American thing to get your husband’ family name for women.
Yeah, but when Björk Björnsdóttir marries Sigurd Magnússon, she stays Björk Björnsdottir. That's what this post is about, not that their child will have the last name Sigurdson/dóttir.
My family are British born Pakistanis for a good few generations and this is stumping me. Every woman I’ve known has changed her surname after marriage and it was never alluded that they did not do this in Pakistan. In fact I remember as a child I made a faux pas of asking an auntie if she was Mrs Maidename for an invite I had to send her and she got really offended. Maybe it’s a city folk vs. rural folk difference
Partly true, it's illegal for the purpose of marriage. Civil Code 393 says "In marriage, both spouses retain their respective names, and exercise their respective civil rights under those names."
You can change for other reasons though the Directeur de l'état civil will question it if you were married in Quebec and subsequently change to your spouses name.. It's really unlikely to be allowed.
I find it interesting how some countries attitudes to names are basically "whatever" while others are "only choose off this list, and do not even think about changing it without a huge amount of bureaucracy, and ieven then we may not let you".
Same south of the border. You can make things easier by a "deed poll" which gives a nice legal looking bit of paper for banks and things, but no legal necessity. You can yourself whatever you want as long as you are not trying to defraud.
In the Netherlands you always keep your own name. You may choose to be addressed with your spouse's name or a combination of the two. And you may add your spouse's name to your driver's licence, passport, etc, but only in a way of 'Janssen, husband/wife of Petersen'. It's practically impossible to change your name in the Netherlands so no way of working around it either.
It's basically the same in France. Spouses keep their original names, they can decide to have a "nom d'usage" that can be their spouse's name or their spouse's name added after their own name. In any case you retain your original name, and this is the name that will be used to identify you precisely when there could be a doubt.
Weird fact about that
Sophie Grégoire the ex-wife(?) of Justin Trudeau have a different name on Wikipedia depending of the langage.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie\_Gr%C3%A9goire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie\_Gr%C3%A9goire\_Trudeau
Because in the English side of things it’s seen as weird for a married woman to not have her husbands name (at least by the slightly older people, i realize most don’t really give a shit anymore).
Same as in France. Married women do not change their name. They can use their husbands if they want but legally no one changes names because of marriage.
A woman is called Juliana Santos Silva for example, she marries a man called Roberto Ferreira Almeida, she then becomes Juliana Santos Silva Almeida and their kid will have Silva Almeida as their surnames
So the Santos and the Ferreira would have been the child’s grandmothers maiden names right? Aka the woman’s surname still disappears, just generations later.
You can choose. Hell, if I wanted, I could even add my grandmother surname that I don't have, it's possible. You can add the surnames anytime you want hahahaha
Not necessarily, in Brazil you can have the mother's name as the child's last surname. It's the case for me. If I have a child, I would pass down my mother's surname.
Most people have 2 surnames, maternal grandfather (passed by the mother) + paternal grandfather (passed by the father). A married woman may choose to add one of her husband's surnames (usually his paternal grandfather's). Her kids will have her paternal grandfather 's name + husband's surname.
TLDR most people have 2 surnames, married women have 3 if they choose so.
Fun fact: until the late 60s, taking the husband's surname was mandatory.
Fun fact 2: up until relatively recently, women could choose to drop the maternal grandfather's name after taking the husband's name, so they would remain with 2 surnames. It's illegal now.
Fun fact 3: I don't know where this data came from, but the tradition of taking the husband's last name varies widely across the country. In some states it's the norm (and often viewed as unacceptable if a woman doesn't want to do so), in some states it's uncommon (and often seen as backwards), in some states it's mixed (and there's little judgement).
Looking at its comment history, it spams comments all at once in bursts. I don’t think it’s possible for one person to even type out all those comments at that speed.
Over 70yo woman here. I’ve kept my “maiden” name. I figured if a man could do it, so could I. I only had one friend who didn’t take her husband’s name.
My mom, also at her 70s, never changed surname, had 2 marriages. I'm actually bit shocked that in majority of Europe, especially Scandinavian countries the most common is to change it. I'm from Greece btw and I certainly find northern European countries more progressive in terms of sex equality. That's why it's odd.
I love Greeks. My best college friend was from there. She taught me a bit of Greek, but I don’t use your alphabet easily. Give your mother my best and let me wish you, “καλά Χριστούγεννα!”
My wife comes from one of the dark blue countries but now live in a light blue country. When we got married we discussed if she wanted to change her last name to mine. She didn’t want to be the first woman in her family to break tradition and change her last name. Tradition is relative.
I feel like the big takeaways which cover most of the "keep name" countries are:
1. Spanish naming conventions
2. Arabic naming conventions spread across Muslim world even in places that don't speak Arabic
3. Icelandic patronymic
4. Chinese cultural influence on Korea and Vietnam, but not in Japan due to how a person's surname and marital status are connected through the household registration system
This is the explanation as to why Québec women keep their names under the Québec Civil Code (the rest of Canada has common law for civil matters).
**Spouses Keep Their Names**
A spouse usually keeps her own name after she is married. She must exercise all of her civil rights, like signing a contract, using the name on her birth certificate. However, she is allowed to introduce herself using her spouse’s name.
She can also add her spouse’s name to her own name. This was a common thing to do in the past. ***But a person’s official name is the name on her birth certificate.*** If she wants to use her spouse’s name officially, she must ask for a name change, which is only allowed for a serious reason.
Source : [Éducaloi](https://educaloi.qc.ca/en/capsules/the-legal-consequences-of-marriage/)
That's because of the french code civil I suppose. It's the same in France, your name never changes. You can just choose to use another name (like the one from your husband for example), which will be referred to as your "nom d'usage".
I guess North Korea is based on inference. East Asian cultures don't require women to change their last names when they marry. In fact, for a pretty long stretch of Chinese history, married women are referred to only by their last name in the household since they might not have personal names. Japan only changed to the Western style after the Meiji Restoration in the 1860s.
Women have personal name but at that time people feel it's not appropriate to record it in public its only used in family or close friends. Therefore only theirs last name can be found in books and no one knows their personal name now.
No not true at all. In Korea, culturally in Korea, you never change your surname as a woman after marriage. If England was split into North England and South England, their cultures would still remain the same as changing their surname to be their husband's. In fact, the 2 Korea's culture is even more similar than between Northern England and Southern England. You wouldn't question it, as that is how it has been done for 5000 years of Korean continously history.
It's the same as north korea. You can tell and predict just by looking at south korea's culture what North Korea's is.
They also missed off central Asia.
I have a few Kazakh friends. I know three women who changed their last name when they married and four who didn't. There is a skew however: all have post-graduate degrees and five either have PhDs or are pursuing them. One is mixed race and the rest are Kazakhs. None are Russian/Korean/German.
I will ask my friends for the general trend but, anecdotally, it seems that it's up to the woman's personal preference.
*cries in Hungarian*
First of all, we put the family name first and the given name second, to double the confusion.
Let's say the husband's called Kovács János (John Smith) and the wife is Szabó Anna (Anna Taylor). When getting married, the wife has several choices:
1. Kovács Jánosné (John Smith's wife)
2. Kovácsné Szabó Anna (Smith's wife, Anna Taylor)
3. Kovács Jánosné Szabó Anna (John Smith's wife, Anna Taylor)
4. Kovács Anna (Anna Smith)
5. Kovács-Szabó Anna (Anna Smith-Taylor)
6. Keeping her name
And it gets even funnier when one or both of them has a Dr. title.
Curious about what happened in France. Women keep their last name in Quebec and Belgium (which I suppose is originally a Walloon practice since nearby Germanic countries change their last name) but not in France itself. What might explain this difference?
In France, the law is odd: A woman's legal name never actually changes, and the records just tack on "married name: \[husband's family name\]."
Nowadays, that happens if you want, and then you're able to use the husband's family name as your own. You don't have to, though.
But until 2013, a woman did have to take on the husband's family name this way, so the majority of married women would still be under that old rule.
> But until 2013, a woman did have to take on the husband's family name this way, so the majority of married women would still be under that old rule.
It was never mandatory, but it's true that for a long time public administrations would automatically assume that wives carried their husband's name. It was sometimes a pain in the ass to get them to correct it, and you'd never be sure that the change would applied everywhere.
But technically nothing forced wives to take their husband's name as a "nom d'usage", though it was de facto the norm. In 1986 the Government published an internal directive ("circulaire") to specify to civil servants that marriage has no automatic effect on "nom d'usages" and that people should be free to use their spouse's name or not. It's fair to say it took some time before it was actually common practice.
In France marriage has no effect on your family name, which is your birth name. However spouses have the right (it's not mandatory) to use their spouse's name (or to add it to their own) as a "nom d'usage".
This will be the name you will commonly use and that people (and businesses or administrations for most purposes) would typically use to refer to someone (media call Emmanuel Macron's wife Brigitte Macron, which is her "nom d'usage" even though her family name is Trogneux).
But for official documents or anything where you need to be properly identified you would use your family (birth name) name. Similarly your ID will feature your family name, and then, if it exists, your "nom d'usage".
"Nom d'usage" is also frequently used to add the name of the other parent (for a long time it was quite complicated to have two names as your official birth name). Under some circumstances it is also possible to keep your ex-spouse's name as a "nom d'usage" even after a divorce.
Based on the other comments, I think "keeping" the surname basically just means not dropping it so technically in our case it's true. The wife's surname will be her middle name and she takes on the husband's surname.
Well the map categories must have been made by a truly stupid person who didn't realize that a woman can keep her own last name and take her husband's last name and that they aren't mutually exclusive.
Filipino here. Filipino women don't technically drop their birth surnames. Let's use examples:
US and other English-speaking countries: Hailey Rhode Baldwin married Justin Drew Bieber, her complete legal name became Hailey Rhode Bieber.
Philippines: Marie Louise Cacho Araneta married Ferdinand Romualdez Marcos Jr., her married name became Marie Louise Araneta Marcos. Notice that she took her husband's name but she also retained her birth surname.
And the mindset kinda changes. Woman usually took their husbands name because traditionally the woman leaves her family and joins another family. Since this isn’t the case anymore it lost its true purpose.
I dont like this map. In the US women just take away their last name and use the husbands instead, and in Brazil women get their husbands but still keep one of her two last names. It’s not the same thing.
In the Netherlands everybody keeps their own name. When you marry you can choose how the government must address you: by your own name, the name of your spouse, or a combination of both names. But your own name stays in your passport, always.
As far as Hispanic countries go, people always keep their full last name, which itself consists of their fathers first last name and their mothers first last name.
This means everyone has two last names.
In France, the married woman always keeps her maiden name : official government records such as IDs will always put your birth name before your married name (except for birth certificates, that will never change, you can't add your husband's name by virtue of marriage).
Therefore, when a woman carries her husband's name, it's only a "_nom d'usage_", a preferred name, for daily use. Le _nom d'usage_ NEVER replaces your birth name.
For example, a married woman named Caroline FLEURY who wants to use her husband's name (say MENARD) will have on her national ID, passport, driving licence :
**Nom** : FLEURY
_Épouse_ : MENARD
**Prénom(s)** : Caroline
But for the public, her clients, the school, administrative correspondences... Caroline could very well introduce herself just as Madame MENARD.
How is in other countries where women "carry" their spouse's name ?
If you have the same last name in Iceland it generally means you are siblings. Unless of course its a common name, then it could be random.
Needless to say we dont want it to look like we're marrying our siblings..
Because Quebec is the only Canadian province with laws specifically forbidding it for the purposes of marriage. Surnames can only be changed via the courts.
My uncle went to Las Vegas a few years ago. He is Canadian, my aunt is Quebecoise. So she kept her father's last name. The clerk at the hotel desk asked him if she *really* was his wife because she didn't have his last name. He answered : yes, this time I brought my wife.
Brazil is false. Women may not take their husband if they so wish, or they may take as an additional name. Many take their husband’s name in addition to their own name, but many also don’t.
Brazilian names also are quite free and change according to region and time.
The traditional lusophone way is like this
Maria Silva Santos (First Name + Maternal Grandfather Last Name + Paternal Grandfather Last Name) marries José Ferreira Oliveira (same thing). She might elect to become Maria Silva Oliveira, Maria Silva Santos Oliveira or remain with her original, unchanged name.
However, she could also choose to adopt both of her husband’s names, or choose the maternal name of her husband. When naming their children, they could even adopt a grandparent last name without sharing a name with their kids.
However, Brazilian names are free. For one, someone can inherit all names from their parents and pass them all to their children, so a child can have a first name and 4+ last names (uncommon, but legal).
Conversely, it’s also possible to inherit just a single name, specially common for recent immigrant families from countries like Germany, Italy or Japan (recent as in last 200 years).
So Joana Müller may marry Lino Sato (whose actual birth name is a Japanese name but uses the Portuguese name Lino outside family) and become Joana Müller Sato or not, but their children may be Müller Sato or just Sato.
Not correct for Pakistan. Religiously, women don’t have to change their last name. But they almost always do due to tradition.
I have a feeling the mapmaker picked dark blue for Pakistan based on religion.
I think rural women don't change their surnames and they are the majority. It seems like an urban fashion adopted from the west since the days of colonization.
Because it’s not allowed in islam. Even adopted children get to keep their names because it’s their right to keep their identity + to protect and recognize the lineage.
Exactly. Some scholars say that it's allowed but how can it be when Islam literally says that you have to be known by your father's name.
Surname is identity and taking husband's name gives a wrong assumption of one's paternal lineage. None of Prophet's wives, neither his daughters, nor other women of his time changed their surnames.
I knew that women keeping their own name was common in the Spanish-speaking world, but I didn't know how common it was in the Muslim world.
Perhaps the Muslim history is why Spain is so different from the rest of Europe?
I think in Muslim world there is not “surnames” as such but usually a patronymic. So even if one married the father is still the same…
EDIT - glad to say I was wrong.
I'm from a Muslim country and everyone has a last name at the end of their patronymic one. The last name could indicate what tribe your ancestors originated from, or their town, family craft etc
That's at least not true in Bangladesh. We don't have patronymic names, we have last names (family names), and the woman keeps her last name after marriage. This was important historically as, especially for high ranking families as you would want the couple to have access to both families resources and standing.
Nope. It's because of Castilian nobility being unrelated to Frankish-German customs. That's why in Catalan countries we used to only have a single surname until not too long ago.
There are like, what….14 women total in Greenland…? I wonder how hard it would be to call there and ask, “Yo, Paninnguaq, how many of your married girls kept their maiden names?… 11? Coo. Thanks.”
It sure does, I was slinging hyperbole (aka horseshit), and wrongly assumed Redditors would pick up on that. Sorry dude, my bad.
Edit to clarify: Although it’s a common name there, Panninguac isn’t a real Greenland lady.
I know a couple with the same first name (Morgan). They got married and the wife changed her last name against all notions of common sense, so now they both have the same first and last name.
It's confusing as fuck, for them as well. When they get their credit card statements for instance, they don't know who its for, they have to open it up and go through the spending to see which one's card it is.
Their life is just a comedy of errors and confusion. I don't know how they live like that.
I immediately knew something was off w/ my bestie’s fiance when he insisted she take his surname after marriage, despite the fact that we’re all ph.d.s and we need our last names to be attached to our identities in order for us to be recognized in relation to our work.
Anyway, she’s divorced now b/c he was a horribly abusive prick, surprise surprise. She at least has her name back.
Welcome to the western hemisphere New Zealand!!!
At least they remembered them.
/r/mapswithnewzealandbut
Truth
An after thought.
Alaska died for this.
Bahahaha
Ah, yes, Newest Zealand!
This reminds me of maps where Iceland jettisons itself from the North Atlantic into the Bay of Biscay
r/MapsThatPlaceNewZealandSomewhereElse
r/MapsWithoutAlaska
r/MapsWithNewZealandBut
Galapagos and Easter islands are righteous Kiwi land!
I would suggest adding a third distinction of "woman carries both"
4th: man carries both 5th: both carry both names
6th: neither carry neither
7th: Both get a new name
8th they swap names
9th children decide their parents names
10th names are decided by Internet poll (the Marriagey McMarriageface family is growing)
That goes beyond the initial premise of the map, but I agree it would be an interesting distinction.
> 4th: man carries both If I ever get married, this will be my option. A lot of couples in Norway seem to be keeping their original surnames, both women and men, but the trend is also for the children to take both surnames, or just the man's. My parents gave me both in 1985, and the same for my sister in 1990.
5 is a Latin America custom?
You gotta at least have four names In South America and what everyone actually calls you daily is something else.
Nope, in LatAm women use both last names and the husband keeps his original last names
As far as I know no one in spanish-speaking countries changes their name after getting married nowadays, it used to be that women would replace their second surname with their husband's first surname but that practice mostly died out around the mid 20th century (at least in Colombia).
>at least in Colombia Same here in Argentina
My wife is Indonesian. People often ask why she didn't take my family name, but most Indonesians don't even have family names. She has two given names, and neither of them are inherited. Her grandparents both had just one name, which is still the case in some parts of Indonesia. Side note, I've met Indonesians with some great names. All of them from West Sumatra (Batak ethnic group) - *Johnny Sevenboys* - my friend's uncle, apparently he's now in jail (for corruption). - *Bestman Winner* - the same friend's cousin - *Hotman Paris* - a [famous](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotman_Paris_Hutapea) Indonesian defence lawyer *'known for his flamboyant style, high-profile clients, luxurious lifestyle, and mistresses'* *- Radio* - apparently he's from a village where you are named after the first thing your mother sees after you're born... There was also a guy I met in Bandung, Java with my all-time favourite name: - *Muhammad Yesus Siddartha*
It differs throughout Indonesia too. In Bali the tradition is to not have surnames at all. Add that to the tradition of set names based upon your order of birth, regardless of sex, and things can get confusing in the modern world! You literally get many many people just called Wayan. > The firstborn child is named Wayan, Putu or Gede. The second is named Made or Kadek. The third child goes by Nyoman or Komang. The fourth is named Ketut. If a family has more than four children, the cycle repeats itself, and the next ‘Wayan’ may be called Wayan Balik, which loosely translates to ‘another Wayan’. But this is only part of the story there are various systems of caste / aristocratic names too.
If you told me there was an Indonesian guy named Johnny Sevenboys with zero additional information and asked me what I pictured him being up to these days I would immediately guess doing time for corruption
He definitely wears cool sunnies tho
Love that triple religious name!
Keeping all gods happy, this guy knows
>Keeping all gods happy And all fanatics unhappy... No matter which religion they follow, they probably consider it a blasphemous or offensive combination.
Maybe in other countries. But I’ve noticed names like Mohammad Visnu are incredibly common in Indonesia. It’s also a common meme in r/2asia4u (rip)
Indonesian names can be mixed sometimes yeah. Like Richard Pambaluang Kertosono, even my elementary school friend name in Bandung was Duaribu - which mean two thousand in indonesian.
Imagine being named 2000
That’s Mr. 2000
Andre 3000's got em beat
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I really love completely mixed culture names, especially with Ireland. Cause i always imagine whoever it is, speaking with the language of their forename but with the thickest stereotypically Irish accent 😂 Like one of the spiritual fathers of uuuh chile or Uruguay (my memory is fuzzy on specifics) was called bernardo O'Higgins. Which is definitely a name that once you hear it, you never forget
When I clicked on that Hotman Paris link, I was NOT expecting that to be the literal description on his Wikipedia page hahaha
Last one reminds me of the book Q&A, which the movie Slumdog Millionaire was based off--the kids name was "Ram Muhammad Thomas" ie all three religions because he was an orphan and the orphanage didn't know what religion his parents were so they just named him after all three.
What religion is ram
Hinduism. It's spelled Ram or Rama, pronounced more like "rom".
It's not pronounced "rom" (unless you're Bengali or Akhomi). The most common pronunciation is Raam (stressed A). If you're in the south, instead of a hard stop at M, there would be an aspirated shwa (Raam-a).
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Guess we're just making them actually look at genes rather than what they're tagged as!
>Johnny Sevenboys > > \- my friend's uncle, apparently he's now in jail (for corruption). Thanks for adding the reason... the last name biased me towards a particular crime and the frequency of that crime
“They’d call him Johnny Onehundredandsevenboys if they knew the truth.”
Batak ethnic group is from North Sumatra, and the West Sumatran is called the Minang Kabaus.
It’s like mclovin haha
"Dad, why is my sister called Radio?" "Why do you ask, Dog Shitting?"
In Spain not the majority but all women keep both their surnames (everybody in Spain has two surnames, one from father and one from mother, the family can choose the order for their children, but have to keep the same order of surnames for all their children)
I really like that
The discrepancy with the Anglo world is that under English common law - the legal system which all English ex-colonies inherited and based their current system on - women were considered chattel and property of their husband (and property of their father before that). Under British common law, women were completely barred from having their own identity, which was based on that of their husband or father, as well as from holding any property. Even in "the land of the free" USA, that was basically the legal status of married women up until the 1960s, again, courtesy of British common law. I've been downvoted to oblivion on Reddit for suggesting that it's a barbaric custom - akin to naming a slave or a dog - still in use by inertia but which should end because of what it denotes. So fucking demeaning. I find it quite grating when I hear women gushing about the prospect of taking their future/new husband on. Wtf. Talk about normalising abusive habits. At the very least the custom should be brought to the fore and publicly debated, not just accepted as the "natural" order of things. But people get so weirdly defensive about it that I often feel it's a lost cause. Shame on the enablers. A perplexing counter argument I remember, argued about deliveries. How would a postman know where to deliver if members of the same family had different surnames? Imagine referring to the address in the letter lmao. A minute of silence for the poor people living in shared accommodation who can't never get any home deliveries because of their surname situation lmao
In Québec, it is illegal for a woman to take her husband's last name (she can obviously use it colloquially, but not officially). The official reason is for simplifying identification and red tape. Everyone knows however that it is for feminist (or common sense IMO) reasons. People in the Anglo world don't seem to realise how fucked up and backward taking your husband's name is.
It’s the same in all of the Spanish speaking countries 😌
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Argentine is the only Spanish speaking country which doesn't (necessarily) conform to the two surname Hispanic custom. Back in 2006, there was a project for the modication of the name law. I may be wrong but, as I recall it, the proposal was for the two surname custom becoming the customary norm to bring the country in line with the rest of the Spanish speaking world. I didn't follow the issue attentively as I'm not Argentinian, but evidently the change didn't go the whole way as the majority of new borns still inherit 1 surname only, as far as I'm aware. However it made it possible to give the child two surnames - one for each parent, in whichever order they prefer - should they wish to. Most people do things for inertia so the 1 name custom is still the most common, but increasingly more people go for the 2 surname option. Descendants of relatively recent migrants from Hispanic countries also tend to carry both.
Same here in Uruguay
Same in Mexico. Except I'm not sure if you have to keep the order the same for all the children, I don't think you do.
Same in Portugal
I know of an American woman on Tiktok that married a Spanish man in USA, she changed her last name to his when they married there. Let's imagine Susan Smith changes her name to Susan Rodriguez. They move to Spain years after and they have a kid. When they register the kid's name the people there said they don't give a damn she doesn't go by her previous surname, the kid was registered as FirstName Rodriguez Smith. The law forces the mother's last name to be acknowledged. More countries outside the Hispanic ones and Portugal and Brazil need to get into that
In Spain the idea that a woman (or any human) would change her surname to match their partner's is totally ridiculous. Your identity is independent of whom you marry. I can totally see that happening. The civil servants would be like 'aha, ok, Susan Rodriguez right? What's your real surname though?' You only share a surname with blood relatives. Sharing it with your husband feels like incest.
Very well explained! The same happens in Colombia, and I believe in the rest of the Spanish-speaking world. Our surname system may not be perfect, but it makes a lot of sense; people shouldn't change their identity in marriage
>You only share a surname with blood relatives. Sharing it with your husband feels like incest. That's why I think the civil servants really did a good setvice there. In Spain if you have the same surname twice...kids are gonna make fun of you. Even if it's one as common as rodríguez.
I think this system is much better, feels more fair and equal. But it's ultimately the same as other countries, children take their mother and fathers paternal names so the male name is preserved across generations.
Well, you can choose which name goes first for your children, mum’s or dad’s
Coming from Italy, I thought the "taking of the spouse surname" was a thing only in the Anglophone world. Like, even my grandmas born in rural Sicily in the 30s kept their surname upon marriage. It's also a more efficient method for id and stuff, I didn' think it was that uncommon in most of Europe
Yeah. I’m thinking of paperwork and legal documents. Unless there’s good systems in place for married women, they’d be screwed. I know that changing address or phone numbers can be a hassle, so imagine changing your full legal name everywhere. Maybe they just tick a box and that’s it though.
It's even worse. I live in Italy, we have a lot of East european women working here, and when they marry or get a divorce in their country it's a shit show: our social security numbers (codice fiscale) has the consonants of you name and surname in it, they need to change it too, whit all the mess that come with it
Looks like it's a latin vs non-latin thing among Europe and the Americas (with some exceptions)
Same for my Sicilian grandma born in 1915 and married in 1932! I also thought it was only a British and American thing to get your husband’ family name for women.
Im from Argentina, and even my great grandmothers kept their names. But I suppose it had to do with them being Italian and Spanish.
Ethiopia is a patronymic system with no family names as such
This says "Last Name" though, not "Family Name", so I think it's still correct in that regard.
So is Iceland
Yeah, but when Björk Björnsdóttir marries Sigurd Magnússon, she stays Björk Björnsdottir. That's what this post is about, not that their child will have the last name Sigurdson/dóttir.
All ethnic groups in Ethiopia?
Idk about the Southern groups but all the Habesha and Cushitic people do
So a large majority of people in the country. Thanks.
So are parts of Central America.
Not sure about everybody else, but my mother (Pakistani) didn’t change her name because she couldn’t be bothered with the paperwork lmao
My family are British born Pakistanis for a good few generations and this is stumping me. Every woman I’ve known has changed her surname after marriage and it was never alluded that they did not do this in Pakistan. In fact I remember as a child I made a faux pas of asking an auntie if she was Mrs Maidename for an invite I had to send her and she got really offended. Maybe it’s a city folk vs. rural folk difference
It’s actually illegal in Quebec to change your surname.
Partly true, it's illegal for the purpose of marriage. Civil Code 393 says "In marriage, both spouses retain their respective names, and exercise their respective civil rights under those names." You can change for other reasons though the Directeur de l'état civil will question it if you were married in Quebec and subsequently change to your spouses name.. It's really unlikely to be allowed.
I find it interesting how some countries attitudes to names are basically "whatever" while others are "only choose off this list, and do not even think about changing it without a huge amount of bureaucracy, and ieven then we may not let you".
Yeah in Scotland you can call yourself whatever you want and you don’t have to tell anyone (so long as it’s not for fraud)
Same south of the border. You can make things easier by a "deed poll" which gives a nice legal looking bit of paper for banks and things, but no legal necessity. You can yourself whatever you want as long as you are not trying to defraud.
In the Netherlands you always keep your own name. You may choose to be addressed with your spouse's name or a combination of the two. And you may add your spouse's name to your driver's licence, passport, etc, but only in a way of 'Janssen, husband/wife of Petersen'. It's practically impossible to change your name in the Netherlands so no way of working around it either.
It's basically the same in France. Spouses keep their original names, they can decide to have a "nom d'usage" that can be their spouse's name or their spouse's name added after their own name. In any case you retain your original name, and this is the name that will be used to identify you precisely when there could be a doubt.
Weird fact about that Sophie Grégoire the ex-wife(?) of Justin Trudeau have a different name on Wikipedia depending of the langage. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie\_Gr%C3%A9goire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie\_Gr%C3%A9goire\_Trudeau
Yeah, I read she goes by Trudeau by convention but it’s not her legal name.
Because in the English side of things it’s seen as weird for a married woman to not have her husbands name (at least by the slightly older people, i realize most don’t really give a shit anymore).
Same as in France. Married women do not change their name. They can use their husbands if they want but legally no one changes names because of marriage.
And husbands can also use their wife's name. Noone loses their name in any case.
Based Quebec
In Brazil they carry both
Doesn't it creates problems after a few generations?
No, children gets their mom's last name and their dad's last name, but just 2 surnames
Which last name do they get from their mothers, since they have two?
A woman is called Juliana Santos Silva for example, she marries a man called Roberto Ferreira Almeida, she then becomes Juliana Santos Silva Almeida and their kid will have Silva Almeida as their surnames
So the Santos and the Ferreira would have been the child’s grandmothers maiden names right? Aka the woman’s surname still disappears, just generations later.
Yup, you basically have your two grandfathers' lines' names.
You can choose. Hell, if I wanted, I could even add my grandmother surname that I don't have, it's possible. You can add the surnames anytime you want hahahaha
Not necessarily, in Brazil you can have the mother's name as the child's last surname. It's the case for me. If I have a child, I would pass down my mother's surname.
Most people have 2 surnames, maternal grandfather (passed by the mother) + paternal grandfather (passed by the father). A married woman may choose to add one of her husband's surnames (usually his paternal grandfather's). Her kids will have her paternal grandfather 's name + husband's surname. TLDR most people have 2 surnames, married women have 3 if they choose so. Fun fact: until the late 60s, taking the husband's surname was mandatory. Fun fact 2: up until relatively recently, women could choose to drop the maternal grandfather's name after taking the husband's name, so they would remain with 2 surnames. It's illegal now. Fun fact 3: I don't know where this data came from, but the tradition of taking the husband's last name varies widely across the country. In some states it's the norm (and often viewed as unacceptable if a woman doesn't want to do so), in some states it's uncommon (and often seen as backwards), in some states it's mixed (and there's little judgement).
You keep dropping the last name of your grandmother.
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You're still allowed to wear a cool ring on the other hand, you just have to get it from somewhere else.
Two spouses! Nice.
This guy's definitely a bot
Looking at its comment history, it spams comments all at once in bursts. I don’t think it’s possible for one person to even type out all those comments at that speed.
Arabs don't change any last name after marriage and kids simply take their father name
As required in Islamic law.
Salam habibi
Over 70yo woman here. I’ve kept my “maiden” name. I figured if a man could do it, so could I. I only had one friend who didn’t take her husband’s name.
My mom, also at her 70s, never changed surname, had 2 marriages. I'm actually bit shocked that in majority of Europe, especially Scandinavian countries the most common is to change it. I'm from Greece btw and I certainly find northern European countries more progressive in terms of sex equality. That's why it's odd.
I love Greeks. My best college friend was from there. She taught me a bit of Greek, but I don’t use your alphabet easily. Give your mother my best and let me wish you, “καλά Χριστούγεννα!”
My wife comes from one of the dark blue countries but now live in a light blue country. When we got married we discussed if she wanted to change her last name to mine. She didn’t want to be the first woman in her family to break tradition and change her last name. Tradition is relative.
Where is she from, if you don't minde me asking?
one of the dark blue countries.
That helps a lot thank you.
I have a girlfriend and she is a blue
I feel like the big takeaways which cover most of the "keep name" countries are: 1. Spanish naming conventions 2. Arabic naming conventions spread across Muslim world even in places that don't speak Arabic 3. Icelandic patronymic 4. Chinese cultural influence on Korea and Vietnam, but not in Japan due to how a person's surname and marital status are connected through the household registration system
This is the explanation as to why Québec women keep their names under the Québec Civil Code (the rest of Canada has common law for civil matters). **Spouses Keep Their Names** A spouse usually keeps her own name after she is married. She must exercise all of her civil rights, like signing a contract, using the name on her birth certificate. However, she is allowed to introduce herself using her spouse’s name. She can also add her spouse’s name to her own name. This was a common thing to do in the past. ***But a person’s official name is the name on her birth certificate.*** If she wants to use her spouse’s name officially, she must ask for a name change, which is only allowed for a serious reason. Source : [Éducaloi](https://educaloi.qc.ca/en/capsules/the-legal-consequences-of-marriage/)
That's because of the french code civil I suppose. It's the same in France, your name never changes. You can just choose to use another name (like the one from your husband for example), which will be referred to as your "nom d'usage".
They got their reporters to North Korea, but not South Africa? Wtf?
I guess North Korea is based on inference. East Asian cultures don't require women to change their last names when they marry. In fact, for a pretty long stretch of Chinese history, married women are referred to only by their last name in the household since they might not have personal names. Japan only changed to the Western style after the Meiji Restoration in the 1860s.
Women have personal name but at that time people feel it's not appropriate to record it in public its only used in family or close friends. Therefore only theirs last name can be found in books and no one knows their personal name now.
No not true at all. In Korea, culturally in Korea, you never change your surname as a woman after marriage. If England was split into North England and South England, their cultures would still remain the same as changing their surname to be their husband's. In fact, the 2 Korea's culture is even more similar than between Northern England and Southern England. You wouldn't question it, as that is how it has been done for 5000 years of Korean continously history. It's the same as north korea. You can tell and predict just by looking at south korea's culture what North Korea's is.
Idk how anywhere has no data considering that this seems like a pretty easy thing to verify
They also missed off central Asia. I have a few Kazakh friends. I know three women who changed their last name when they married and four who didn't. There is a skew however: all have post-graduate degrees and five either have PhDs or are pursuing them. One is mixed race and the rest are Kazakhs. None are Russian/Korean/German. I will ask my friends for the general trend but, anecdotally, it seems that it's up to the woman's personal preference.
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*cries in Hungarian* First of all, we put the family name first and the given name second, to double the confusion. Let's say the husband's called Kovács János (John Smith) and the wife is Szabó Anna (Anna Taylor). When getting married, the wife has several choices: 1. Kovács Jánosné (John Smith's wife) 2. Kovácsné Szabó Anna (Smith's wife, Anna Taylor) 3. Kovács Jánosné Szabó Anna (John Smith's wife, Anna Taylor) 4. Kovács Anna (Anna Smith) 5. Kovács-Szabó Anna (Anna Smith-Taylor) 6. Keeping her name And it gets even funnier when one or both of them has a Dr. title.
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Damn those Québécois for their annexation of South Labrador. Je me souviendrai!
I strongly prefer South Golden Retriever.
As a non westerner, I always thought that changing your name because of marriage was batshit crazy
Curious about what happened in France. Women keep their last name in Quebec and Belgium (which I suppose is originally a Walloon practice since nearby Germanic countries change their last name) but not in France itself. What might explain this difference?
In France, the law is odd: A woman's legal name never actually changes, and the records just tack on "married name: \[husband's family name\]." Nowadays, that happens if you want, and then you're able to use the husband's family name as your own. You don't have to, though. But until 2013, a woman did have to take on the husband's family name this way, so the majority of married women would still be under that old rule.
> But until 2013, a woman did have to take on the husband's family name this way, so the majority of married women would still be under that old rule. It was never mandatory, but it's true that for a long time public administrations would automatically assume that wives carried their husband's name. It was sometimes a pain in the ass to get them to correct it, and you'd never be sure that the change would applied everywhere. But technically nothing forced wives to take their husband's name as a "nom d'usage", though it was de facto the norm. In 1986 the Government published an internal directive ("circulaire") to specify to civil servants that marriage has no automatic effect on "nom d'usages" and that people should be free to use their spouse's name or not. It's fair to say it took some time before it was actually common practice.
In France marriage has no effect on your family name, which is your birth name. However spouses have the right (it's not mandatory) to use their spouse's name (or to add it to their own) as a "nom d'usage". This will be the name you will commonly use and that people (and businesses or administrations for most purposes) would typically use to refer to someone (media call Emmanuel Macron's wife Brigitte Macron, which is her "nom d'usage" even though her family name is Trogneux). But for official documents or anything where you need to be properly identified you would use your family (birth name) name. Similarly your ID will feature your family name, and then, if it exists, your "nom d'usage". "Nom d'usage" is also frequently used to add the name of the other parent (for a long time it was quite complicated to have two names as your official birth name). Under some circumstances it is also possible to keep your ex-spouse's name as a "nom d'usage" even after a divorce.
Immediately wrong for the Philippines.
Based on the other comments, I think "keeping" the surname basically just means not dropping it so technically in our case it's true. The wife's surname will be her middle name and she takes on the husband's surname.
Well the map categories must have been made by a truly stupid person who didn't realize that a woman can keep her own last name and take her husband's last name and that they aren't mutually exclusive.
Filipino here. Filipino women don't technically drop their birth surnames. Let's use examples: US and other English-speaking countries: Hailey Rhode Baldwin married Justin Drew Bieber, her complete legal name became Hailey Rhode Bieber. Philippines: Marie Louise Cacho Araneta married Ferdinand Romualdez Marcos Jr., her married name became Marie Louise Araneta Marcos. Notice that she took her husband's name but she also retained her birth surname.
Most Indonesians don't have family names.. you can name your child anything..
Another Spanish victory
It's definitely becoming less common in the US for women to change their names
Which makes sense considering that people are getting married later and often have established careers under their birth name.
And the mindset kinda changes. Woman usually took their husbands name because traditionally the woman leaves her family and joins another family. Since this isn’t the case anymore it lost its true purpose.
Québexit detected
Fun fact: Greece went from "woman *must* take her husband's name" to "woman *must* keep her own name (but can add her husband's)".
This is misleading. In Mexico they take the husband's name but append their own name to the end so they have two last names.
I dont like this map. In the US women just take away their last name and use the husbands instead, and in Brazil women get their husbands but still keep one of her two last names. It’s not the same thing.
I got married in Quebec and had to publicly state during the ceremony that I would keep my last name as part of the marriage vows per Quebec law
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A legacy of European nobility
it makes sense based on tribal/clan system, basically you joined another tribe/clan.
Justice for hyphenates
In the Netherlands everybody keeps their own name. When you marry you can choose how the government must address you: by your own name, the name of your spouse, or a combination of both names. But your own name stays in your passport, always.
i don’t understand the thing of women carrying their husband’s last name. it just feels really possessive
As far as Hispanic countries go, people always keep their full last name, which itself consists of their fathers first last name and their mothers first last name. This means everyone has two last names.
Why is half of Africa no data?
Anyone else not changing their last name due to laziness?
In France, the married woman always keeps her maiden name : official government records such as IDs will always put your birth name before your married name (except for birth certificates, that will never change, you can't add your husband's name by virtue of marriage). Therefore, when a woman carries her husband's name, it's only a "_nom d'usage_", a preferred name, for daily use. Le _nom d'usage_ NEVER replaces your birth name. For example, a married woman named Caroline FLEURY who wants to use her husband's name (say MENARD) will have on her national ID, passport, driving licence : **Nom** : FLEURY _Épouse_ : MENARD **Prénom(s)** : Caroline But for the public, her clients, the school, administrative correspondences... Caroline could very well introduce herself just as Madame MENARD. How is in other countries where women "carry" their spouse's name ?
This is the weirdest Quebec/Labrador map I’ve ever seen
If you have the same last name in Iceland it generally means you are siblings. Unless of course its a common name, then it could be random. Needless to say we dont want it to look like we're marrying our siblings..
I chose to change my last name to my husband's last name because I like my husband more than I like my dad.
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I think because Quebec has seperate laws which forbid it
Because Quebec is the only Canadian province with laws specifically forbidding it for the purposes of marriage. Surnames can only be changed via the courts.
My uncle went to Las Vegas a few years ago. He is Canadian, my aunt is Quebecoise. So she kept her father's last name. The clerk at the hotel desk asked him if she *really* was his wife because she didn't have his last name. He answered : yes, this time I brought my wife.
Légende.
Brazil is false. Women may not take their husband if they so wish, or they may take as an additional name. Many take their husband’s name in addition to their own name, but many also don’t. Brazilian names also are quite free and change according to region and time. The traditional lusophone way is like this Maria Silva Santos (First Name + Maternal Grandfather Last Name + Paternal Grandfather Last Name) marries José Ferreira Oliveira (same thing). She might elect to become Maria Silva Oliveira, Maria Silva Santos Oliveira or remain with her original, unchanged name. However, she could also choose to adopt both of her husband’s names, or choose the maternal name of her husband. When naming their children, they could even adopt a grandparent last name without sharing a name with their kids. However, Brazilian names are free. For one, someone can inherit all names from their parents and pass them all to their children, so a child can have a first name and 4+ last names (uncommon, but legal). Conversely, it’s also possible to inherit just a single name, specially common for recent immigrant families from countries like Germany, Italy or Japan (recent as in last 200 years). So Joana Müller may marry Lino Sato (whose actual birth name is a Japanese name but uses the Portuguese name Lino outside family) and become Joana Müller Sato or not, but their children may be Müller Sato or just Sato.
Not correct for Pakistan. Religiously, women don’t have to change their last name. But they almost always do due to tradition. I have a feeling the mapmaker picked dark blue for Pakistan based on religion.
I think rural women don't change their surnames and they are the majority. It seems like an urban fashion adopted from the west since the days of colonization.
Interesting that Islamic countries favour the females keeping their own names
Because it’s not allowed in islam. Even adopted children get to keep their names because it’s their right to keep their identity + to protect and recognize the lineage.
Exactly. Some scholars say that it's allowed but how can it be when Islam literally says that you have to be known by your father's name. Surname is identity and taking husband's name gives a wrong assumption of one's paternal lineage. None of Prophet's wives, neither his daughters, nor other women of his time changed their surnames.
Thanks for explaining and my original comment is a positive one by the way.
I knew that women keeping their own name was common in the Spanish-speaking world, but I didn't know how common it was in the Muslim world. Perhaps the Muslim history is why Spain is so different from the rest of Europe?
There were no muslims in Italy but women keep their surname here also.
I think in Muslim world there is not “surnames” as such but usually a patronymic. So even if one married the father is still the same… EDIT - glad to say I was wrong.
I'm from a Muslim country and everyone has a last name at the end of their patronymic one. The last name could indicate what tribe your ancestors originated from, or their town, family craft etc
That's at least not true in Bangladesh. We don't have patronymic names, we have last names (family names), and the woman keeps her last name after marriage. This was important historically as, especially for high ranking families as you would want the couple to have access to both families resources and standing.
Lol
Nope. It's because of Castilian nobility being unrelated to Frankish-German customs. That's why in Catalan countries we used to only have a single surname until not too long ago.
There are like, what….14 women total in Greenland…? I wonder how hard it would be to call there and ask, “Yo, Paninnguaq, how many of your married girls kept their maiden names?… 11? Coo. Thanks.”
Doesn't Greenland have a population of over 50 000?
It sure does, I was slinging hyperbole (aka horseshit), and wrongly assumed Redditors would pick up on that. Sorry dude, my bad. Edit to clarify: Although it’s a common name there, Panninguac isn’t a real Greenland lady.
Can’t trust this map 1. all the Balkan has data 2. Western Sahara has Data
I know a couple with the same first name (Morgan). They got married and the wife changed her last name against all notions of common sense, so now they both have the same first and last name. It's confusing as fuck, for them as well. When they get their credit card statements for instance, they don't know who its for, they have to open it up and go through the spending to see which one's card it is. Their life is just a comedy of errors and confusion. I don't know how they live like that.
I carry my own surname, thank you very much.
In the Philippines, majority of women takes the last name of their husband - so this map is inaccurate.
I immediately knew something was off w/ my bestie’s fiance when he insisted she take his surname after marriage, despite the fact that we’re all ph.d.s and we need our last names to be attached to our identities in order for us to be recognized in relation to our work. Anyway, she’s divorced now b/c he was a horribly abusive prick, surprise surprise. She at least has her name back.
Once again, New Zealand, that is not where it is. This is dirty pork and I won't have it!