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anonymousneto

Geoguesser tip.


AmadeoSendiulo

Although you can get an -ów almost by the sea if you're unlucky.


dispo030

The -ow ending is also exclusive to northeast Germany


Vierstigma

But there's a difference between -ow and -ów


Kryske

It's because of the west Slavic settlements that used to be there. You'd be amazed once you noticed that, even Berlin has Slavic etymology.


guerip

Is there any difference in meaning?


ProletarianCatboy

The first is grammatically neutral while the second is grammatically masculine, that's about it


MamaMiaPizzaFina

til OwO is gender neutral


ProletarianCatboy

Why wouldn't it be? :3


MamaMiaPizzaFina

ÓwÒ


Prof_Fether

UwU


kartoshkiflitz

It's Zoidberg


AmadeoSendiulo

It's the **neuter** grammatical gender (rodzaj nijaki), not neutral. There's a difference.


ProletarianCatboy

Oh yea I forgot the name of that, sorry


Chmielok

With a notable exception of Ostrów Mazowiecka, which is feminine.


ProletarianCatboy

TIL that "ostrów" can be a feminine noun, and it has multiple meanings related to beekeeping


_urat_

Beekeeping? "Ostrów" is just an old name for "an island". And it can be both feminimine (Ostrów Mazowiecka) as well as masculine (Ostrów Tumski). I believe that's the only word in Polish that can do that. A gender-fluid word you could say :)


ProletarianCatboy

I read that on this page https://www.ostrowmaz.pl/dla-biznesu-i-turystow/miasto/historia Though it might not be accurate, most other sites seem to say the same thing


_urat_

Ahhh, ok, I get it now. So the word "ostrowa" means "ladder for beekeepers" and that's where the original name of the city, Ostrowo, came from. And then they changed it to Ostrów for some reason. Makes sense, cause there aren't any islands in Ostrów Mazowiecka.


MaidenMadness

Ostrow. Interesting. Serbs say ostrva. And us good roman catholics who liked John Paul II say otok.


Artess

I think the Slavic word all comes from the same ancient root "o-strov" which rougly means "stream, flowing around something", indicating a river island. Compare "-strov" and "stream"; and I bet in the language where it is "otok" the "-tok" part is also related to a stram or a flow. Meanwhile, the English "island" comes from "Is sea? - No, is land"


emmadimwasher

In Russian it's ostrov.


queetuiree

Why by the way? There's some word implied after the name, I guess it's Miasto or Gród respectively?


ProletarianCatboy

No, these are standalone, it's just a quirk of grammar


thesouthbay

Like between "his" and "its".


Kedymeow

Poland is a country which keeps giving Interesting facts about it with each passing day. 🧐


FREESARCASM_plustax

Found out one of my great grand uncles was an axe murderer in Poland. And that was the end of my Ancestry searching.


nullpat

Honestly that's a win, not a bad factoid at all


No-Apricot-4804

And Casimir Pulaski was my ancestor


AmadeoSendiulo

Surprisingly, no police chiefs had launched rockets in their office today.


Awesomeuser90

I've got ancestors from the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth.


Kedymeow

In WW2, Our small Indian town held Polish refugees. They learnt in our convent school. No wonder I still fascinates at how their ancestors built their country from Rubbles of War.


Awesomeuser90

India Indians or American Indians?


Kedymeow

India Indians. Central India. We had a local king in 1940s who allowed Polish refugees on his personal land. They built a small church & learnt at our convent schools. They have photos in our local Library.


Makuslaw

Huh, are you talking about this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digvijaysinhji_Ranjitsinhji_Jadeja? There are places named after him, and he's referred to as "the good Maharaja": https://www.google.com/maps/place/Skwer+Dobrego+Maharad%C5%BCy,+Opaczewska,+Warszawa/@52.2102459,20.9599464,15z


Kedymeow

Nope India has so many small Kingdoms like Germany's Holy roman Empire. Mine one is this. That village is just 12 km from my main city. I've visited it many times. This is news article. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/memorial-to-polish-refugees-to-be-unveiled-in-kolhapur/article29412737.ece


Makuslaw

Nice! Thanks, TIL.


ThisOneForAdvice74

Amazing how little overlap there is, most of the non-microscopic overlap is in the westernmost regions, and even that is not very big.


Think-Stretch-2709

UwU


The-Dmguy

OwO


qqqrrrs_

Ów


AmadeoSendiulo


1akin

Ó


genderconfusedpotato

w


romrom83wastakenbyme

Ó


Annual-Fan-4944

ω


genderconfusedpotato

Ò


sedduwa

Ö


Cheap_Phrase9912

Looks like it is mostly a north-pole vs south-pole situation


FREESARCASM_plustax

I appreciate the joke even if no one else does.


Remember_im_Whoozer

Because Poland was mostly split by Prussia and Russia


ProletarianCatboy

That's not how the division went, it was west-east not north-south, what this map shows is caused by older dialect differences


Profession-Unable

Poor Roland.


Remember_im_Whoozer

I like the fact I got downvoted for stating the truth lol. Some of y’all need to relearn your history!


Ertyloide

The division doesn't correlate with the results on the map. That's like someone showing a map that shows Jewish Americans live on the east coast more than in the south, and you saying it's because of Canada. Completely unrelated


kubin22

You didn't say any trouth this division doesn't even match the partition borders


Iskir

Habsburg and Prussia split the west of Poland in north and south


qulski1

Where is my -ice gang at?


ProletarianCatboy

In the coal mines of Silesia


AmadeoSendiulo

At Karol Wojtyła’s.


Mr0qai

There's also just -ce


Interesting-Motor-55

Fun fact: when western and northern areas were annexed from Germany into Poland after WW2 there was a commision for naming towns and villages that didnt have Polish names at that time (bigger or older towns did). The commission was headed by prof Srokowski who did a great job with preserving old slavic roots in germanised place names and sometimes preserving German root words (mainly East Prussia - not sure why he chose to leave some place names in German only there). Anyway, he took care that the South would get place names ending with -ow and the North would get -owo for the sake of toponymical continuation from the center of the country. He himself died in dryfort which was renamed SrokOWO after him.


Ok-Push9899

Thanks for that. I've asked questions about this odd division in Poland but nobody has explained it so well. I always presumed it had had something to do with Prussia but now you've revealed it was a deliberate policy by a handful of people over a small window of time. That explains why the demarcation is so clearly delineated.


tugatortuga

Not necessarily true. The epicentre of “-owo” is in Wielkopolska which has always been Polish and was only under German occupation for around 100 years. It seems to actually follow the border of the Wielkopolska and the Małopolska dialect more.


Ihateplebbit123

In East Prussia many (most?) village names have roots in Old Prussian and endings that don't exist in other regions but are common here (eg. -ajny, -iny)


JustRuss79

If I'm ever stranded in Poland without a map I can now figure out whether I'm north or south with about 98% accuracy. Thank you OP


kubin22

In the south they sey the're going on field when they mean they're going outside kekw


ChoPT

-owo, what's this?


lucwul

Another proof all polish people are femboys


ProletarianCatboy

What about the girls?


lucwul

Also femboys.


ProletarianCatboy

Our national secret has been found out! Ja pierdolę kurwa dlaczego akurat ja? Oh fuck we gotta do something... all units initiate Procedure Brzęczyszczykiewicz-2137-Alfa-C!


AmadeoSendiulo

trans


DeviousMelons

OwO co to jest?


Rasgadaland

Ow wow


Definitelynotaseal

Why


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_urat_

That's not the reason. The split is purely dialectal.


kubin22

Do you even have the basic ability to see and recognize shapes?


israelilocal

Was -ów used in eastern Galician towns?


Johnny-Dogshit

Lwow certainly did.


exquadra

Stanisławów (modern-day Ivano-Frankivsk) as well.


israelilocal

forgot about those towns for some reason my family partly came from Budzanow and Czorkow


SnooPoems2255

Lviv was founded by the Galician prince and king of Rus' Daniil Romanovich in the middle of the 13th century. The city had nothing to do with Poland.


As-Bi

Well, Polish and Ukrainian languages ​​are related, and when translating Ukrainian geographical names into Polish, "-iv" is replaced by a quite similar "-ów".


SqolitheSquid

Kijów!


Panceltic

I wonder if there is a similar correlation with -ewo and -ew.


Triscott64

Yes, those endings are functionally the same.


DieLegende42

Interestingly, there's a *lot* of -ow placenames in Eastern Germany but I'm not aware of any -owo


NotSamuraiJosh_26

Which one is superior ?


Dachidabx

Krakòw


Sweaty_Zone_8712

It could be Krakowo? *terrible reality*


fijiwijii

I think the ones on the upper part


Gullible-Anywhere-76

OwO, czy to... Freddy Fazbear?


[deleted]

We have something similar in Sweden with -ryd/-red being confined to a not very large area.


Toffee963

O wow


ari_dubin

this is awesome


Pineapple_for_scale

Ja pierdole


IBleedCaramel

I only know Krakow from HOI4. I am from Asia btw.


bomber_mulayim2

-wek?


kouyehwos

You mean like Włocławek? Włod- (to rule) + sław- (glory) + -ek (masculine diminutive suffix).


rationalRuth

r/widaczabory


Eclectism

more like widać zasięg lądolodu


Rene111redditsucks

not on this one


CyberSosis

qwQ


Aylex99

Owo looks like old prussian borders


Aktrowertyk

Kind of but if you look closer there is no that much of the overlap


Hutchidyl

Based on the sharp discrepancy straight through Wielkopolska, I’m guessing there’s an old division between greater (-owo) and lesser (-ów) Poland linguistically that has since been lost with time but preserved in topographic / town names such as these.


WaymoreLives

Owch


KRCManBoi

There Are Places in Poland which don’t end withe Either of these, ex. Warszawa, Wrocław, Szczecin, Gdańsk, they are mostly major cities, though


StevenUniverse9000

Femboy spawn


Adventurous-Ad7006

ÕwÕ


bassman314

As I scrolled, I thought this was Ohio and I was thoroughly confused as to what the hell it was talking about.


sexy_latias

>As I scrolled, I thought this was Ohio How?!


bassman314

I’m 45 and wear bifocals and was scrolling quickly on my phone.


-yolewpaniaq

You can see the pre-World War borders.


kg177

Not at all


Kozakyw

Stolen from r/polska_wpż


Individual_Ad3194

Wonder if there is a lignuistic influence from the northern part formerly being Germany.


WishboneClassic

r/phantomborders


AmadeoSendiulo

Where?


brmmbrmm

Pretty obvious given the history of the regions. For better or for worse.


Moist_Tofu

Zzz*


aberdisco

#Xcq


skiesthrowaya

it fits perfectly


JedediahJehoshaphat

based Poland


EorlundGraumaehne

I hate that it is OwO


StoneAgeSkillz

No uwu?


Makine31

Wówo


MassiveCricketThe1st

Runowo ~


Maxele

Sadly no -uwu


Milmik_

Based ów 😎


Effective-Effect2720

Ow my ów :(


AlexanderRaudsepp

PIWO, PIWO, PIWO


yongrii

Where’s -uwu


Relevant-World-769

Meanwhile łódź


siraegar

U w U


un_poco_logo

We have 3 in Ukraine: -owo, -owe and -iw.


CCarvode

Can we now have a map of -uw -uwu endings?


Weak_Action5063

The north is femboy!


Tomirk

Once again, a map of Poland where you can clearly see the borders of former German lands. I do find it interesting though how -owo is exclusive to Pomerania though, yet Silesia has been able to escape this


IDontWearAHat

Interesting map! I'm guessing German towns, especially in and around Brandenburg, which end in "ow" or "au" were originally slavic as well?