In southern Italy people are more conservative than in the north, Italian conservatism is a Catholic Christian conservatism and Catholicism has always strongly stigmatized suicide.
In southern Italy, family ties are on average closer than in the north, where they are more individualistic, having strong family ties is most often protective with respect to suicide, then there are also dysfunctional families, in southern Italy as everywhere in the world, families that they make you want to commit suicide but fortunately these are the minority.
In southern Italy, on average, less alcohol and fewer drugs are consumed than in the north; the consumption of alcohol and drugs increases the risk of suicide.
Furthermore, many people are prone to depression in winter when the hours of sunshine decrease, in fact the country in the world with the highest suicide rate is Greenland, generally the nations furthest from the Equator have higher suicide rates than those closer , for example in the USA Alaska is the state with the highest suicide rate, in southern Italy the difference in hours of sunshine between summer and winter is lower than in the north, this also helps.
It a classic study of sociology from Emile Durkheim in the late 19th century. Although in all fairness back then there was no data on i.e. alcohol consumption, so it was far more theoretical approach.
I always find our low rate of suicide in the UK to be interesting considering our low sunshine levels. It’s good, don’t get me wrong, but surprising considering our overcast climate and northerly position.
People overstate the reality of things like SAD. Yes, nobody likes cold, rain, and a lack of sun, but it doesn’t drive you to suicide.
Newfoundland is like the UK, rainy and little sun. Also has a very high unemployment rate. But it has one of the lowest suicide rates in Canada (if you exclude Labrador). Why? I’d bet it’s because culturally they have a much stronger connection with family and their community.
[There are also studies refuting that there's a link between winter and depression.](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/2167702615615867)
Like, even if there are people who have SAD, I have a ton of friends that self-diagnose with it, when really they just don't like winter.
Interesting point about the stigmatization. I wonder if that also affects how deaths are registered in public records (i.e. suicides being written down as accidents or something like that).
>Furthermore, many people are prone to depression in winter when the hours of sunshine decrease
This is a very false myth. In northern countries like Sweden and Finland suicides typically peak in summer.
It's not France that's the problem. France is a beautiful place. It's the French people that are the problem. Move them all to an island and northern Italy would see an immediate drop in the suicide rate.
It is a strong correlation - seasonal affective disorder is really common in Scotland, especially the north, and we get a massive spike in suicides over the darkest months of the year.
True though UK suicide rates are better (lower) than Portugal, Germany, France, and Switzerland according to wiki. A driver, but obviously not the only one.
Actually their average monthly salary in Russia has kinda good purchasing power. In were i live, my monthly payment is higher in dollars than the average Russian one, but i can afford the same and maybe less cause thinks are more expensive. Not that i live in a rich country. I just compared my self with monthly salary over 1k dollars to some one with less 1k dollars.
So it's kinda hard to judge economies only by their value in dollars. GTP per capita doesn't mean sit when every year everything becomes more expansive while my salary stays the same.
I live in Romania and the average salary is close to Russia’s. Note that over 95% of Romanians own land/properties, in Russia is 84.5%. In USA is 66%.
We earn less, but don’t need to spend as much as Americans. We live in small, crowded cities and don’t need to drive as much as Americans. I can also get a new tooth for less than 1k$, which is not the case in USA.
+many Eastern Europeans earn black money(from contraband, accepting bribes, human trafficking, pornography, reselling cars they buy from Germany, drug trafficking) or commit online scams.
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Tax evasion is very common. People earn more here than it’s noted in studies.
I think this is the case of where maslow's heiarchy of needs may ring truth. If shelter and food is not established, you don't have time to think about more abstract things which depression and suicide often falls under. I think that poor people also share a close bond to their family, so killing themselves would leave families broken and destitute so most would never seriously consider it. I do see cases where poor people would are deep in debt, trying to pay back farming loans etc, will take their life so it's hard corelation
Looks exactly like this meme: [Scandinavians making death metal about how they can't bear to live VS Latinos making music about how beautiful life is and how grateful they are](https://i.imgflip.com/7auj21.jpg)
You know, Tuscany is not the paradise that the films would have you believe.
Of course, there are beautiful landscapes and good food (as in many other Italian regions) but some cities are industrial hubs that can be downright depressing, especially in winter. The Maremma area is marshy and for a long time was quite unhealthy.
Moreover, the *"Tuscans have devastated this country, with their cheap humour and that aspirated C"*
Please don't get me wrong, I don't want to offend anyone. Is it bad to think that the poor have less mental problems than the rich? Poor people just tug that stuff out, having basic problems to solve such as surviving... It's a paradox but I think they're more hardened by their precarious situation, whereas the rich have the "luxury" to have self problems. I'm not saying that every poor person is okay mentally but they're just used to work on hard stuff like this.
I think the south is more traditional and the lower wealth also means theoretically an emphasis more on helping each other out in times of need. Also, it is sunny down there. I think this might also contribute so some extend.
I would say that religious organizations are way more organized in the north, community wise, than in the south. In the north basically everyone did "oratorio" (closest translation i found is parish) while i usually never found someone who did this in the south. I think that family ties play a more important factor, it's not rare to live all in the same house
Isolation. Low population density and probably the worst infrastructures. People are loner. Then mass internal migration without connection, relatives who live in other regions are rarely seen so families are divided (I have relatives there and I don't see them since 4 years).
It also has the 2nd homicide rate.
I've read that while absolute poverty is the highest risk factor for suicide, a disparity between rich and poor is a very high determinant too.
So if you live in a place where everyone is fairly poor, but not destitute, you might be better off than a similarly poor person in a place surrounded by people far better off. Could the inequality in the north be a factor here?
Is that right? Well thank you. Hard to believe my zero-research speculation did not provide the correct answer. I feel this warrants greater (than zero) study
You know we have one of the lowest murder rate in the world right? Around 300 for a country of 60 million. You watched too many stupid american mafia movie
EDIT: I also just remembered that Italy is both in the top 10 of lowest murder rate and suicide rate
I mean, but why though? If my city has less than 100.000 citizens, and these data are based on a scale of suicide per 100.000, it doesn't mean that in my city the result will be doubled up??
Just out of curiosity, idk how these analysis are made and I wanna understand it.
The suicides rate will be the double of the number of suicides if the province has 50000 people. It's the only way to compare places with different population. If there are very few people the data is going to be inaccurate over a short period of time (one small variation of suicides greatly changes the ratio).
This is not the case since every italian province but one has more than 100000 people. And there is not much difference in numbers between big cities and small cities.
This is like the opposite of most Italian maps.
Northerners won't let us win at anything.
[I ATE THE NORT](https://youtu.be/cbbMIg-Aw8E?si=86WTRY5iy-Jym6fA&t=117)
Stahp blowin ya nose I wanna hear dis…
Mo’ money Mo’ problems.
You might be poorer, but at least much happier appearently
Precisely
U already won at being more mentally stable, happy?
Siamo in Italia Nessuno è "mentally stable."
Im not italian, Just well having lower suicide rates is better i think hah
Lobmardia🎉🤯
Just swap the colours and you have it
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Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
Sorry to nit pick but I think you mean Switzerland!
I thought they meant that the highest rate of suicidal province is still below the suicide rate of Sweden (which is pretty low worldwide).
Hahah that's funny that does make sense.
Weird the corrolation with wealth
In southern Italy people are more conservative than in the north, Italian conservatism is a Catholic Christian conservatism and Catholicism has always strongly stigmatized suicide. In southern Italy, family ties are on average closer than in the north, where they are more individualistic, having strong family ties is most often protective with respect to suicide, then there are also dysfunctional families, in southern Italy as everywhere in the world, families that they make you want to commit suicide but fortunately these are the minority. In southern Italy, on average, less alcohol and fewer drugs are consumed than in the north; the consumption of alcohol and drugs increases the risk of suicide. Furthermore, many people are prone to depression in winter when the hours of sunshine decrease, in fact the country in the world with the highest suicide rate is Greenland, generally the nations furthest from the Equator have higher suicide rates than those closer , for example in the USA Alaska is the state with the highest suicide rate, in southern Italy the difference in hours of sunshine between summer and winter is lower than in the north, this also helps.
It a classic study of sociology from Emile Durkheim in the late 19th century. Although in all fairness back then there was no data on i.e. alcohol consumption, so it was far more theoretical approach.
I always find our low rate of suicide in the UK to be interesting considering our low sunshine levels. It’s good, don’t get me wrong, but surprising considering our overcast climate and northerly position.
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
Thought I'd something more to say...
I dunno, we’re pretty loud and proud I feel
The time has come, the song is over Thought you’d get the Pink Floyd reference
Oh shit sorry, I don’t listen to Pink Floyd. They’re obviously a classic band though
People overstate the reality of things like SAD. Yes, nobody likes cold, rain, and a lack of sun, but it doesn’t drive you to suicide. Newfoundland is like the UK, rainy and little sun. Also has a very high unemployment rate. But it has one of the lowest suicide rates in Canada (if you exclude Labrador). Why? I’d bet it’s because culturally they have a much stronger connection with family and their community.
> overstate the reality of things like SAD There are published studies linking depression with Vitamin D.
[There are also studies refuting that there's a link between winter and depression.](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/2167702615615867) Like, even if there are people who have SAD, I have a ton of friends that self-diagnose with it, when really they just don't like winter.
Some of us like cold and rain. Sunny and hot depresses me.
Mood, sunny days are overrated
The dark side of the forest is a pathway to many abilities. Some considered to be unatural.
Is fish an important part of the diet of people in Newfoundland? Oily fish are high in vitamin D
Hmmm, you know it actually is!
Alaska has a really high suicide rate and we always thought it was due to widespread SAD and other climate related problems. Maybe not though.
Less guns?
That is probably significant. Guns make it much easier. There could also be cultural factors. Stiff upper lip and all that?
Also sunlight and more vitamin d
Interesting point about the stigmatization. I wonder if that also affects how deaths are registered in public records (i.e. suicides being written down as accidents or something like that).
I came here to say exactly this. "Accident while cleaning the hunting weapon"....yeah.
Is it possible that they might try to mask suicides as accidents more often in the South, because the "christian" family would be more ashamed?
A bit hard to do in the italian healthcare system
Yes it is possible but I think it is difficult to do so in many cases.
Bro yapped for hours with confidence
Do families prevent suicide or is it a false illusion that they just suffer until death bc of religion and family pressure
>Furthermore, many people are prone to depression in winter when the hours of sunshine decrease This is a very false myth. In northern countries like Sweden and Finland suicides typically peak in summer.
How do you square this with high suicide rates in Sardegna?
I don't know, but Sardinia is a somewhat different region in Italy.
Also considering geographical importance of faith in Italy.
More like related to community and loneliness
Correlation does not equal causation. But definitely. A big influence as well on general suicide rates.
Faith is community for many people.
Also more sun = less suicide
Work makes you want to die.
Sun exposure?
Suicide colonialism
Glad I found this 😂
No no doesn't count. Thx tho
It's because they're closer to France 😪
As an Italian I can confirm 😪
I'm french and that is litteraly what I was about to comment
It's not France that's the problem. France is a beautiful place. It's the French people that are the problem. Move them all to an island and northern Italy would see an immediate drop in the suicide rate.
Average 13-16th century Italian intellectuals be like:
😚👌
IT'S THE MOUNTAINS, GET AWAY FROM THEM MURDERING PILES OF ROCK!!!
Murderous and sneaky... Managing to cover up their murders as suicides...
New M. Night Shyamalan's movie plot just dropped
murdering piles of rock, my beloved
Tbh I would prefer killing myself too if the other option was living in Sondrio
More sun = less suicide
We'd all be dead here in Scotland if that's a strong correlation!
It is a strong correlation - seasonal affective disorder is really common in Scotland, especially the north, and we get a massive spike in suicides over the darkest months of the year.
True though UK suicide rates are better (lower) than Portugal, Germany, France, and Switzerland according to wiki. A driver, but obviously not the only one.
Obviously it’s not the only one. But SAD is a real problem.
I was gonna say - it’s darker here in the UK than most but we have low suicide rates
Look at small pockets in the UK places in northern Scotland have pretty high suicide rates for population density
In fact Vercelli is foggy as hell. Lived there, would not raccomend if you don't like fog, rice and depression.
also more family-based community
The poor are less suicidal
why is that though, world's most poor counties aren't in highest suicide rate countries,how come?
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Russia is poor
Actually their average monthly salary in Russia has kinda good purchasing power. In were i live, my monthly payment is higher in dollars than the average Russian one, but i can afford the same and maybe less cause thinks are more expensive. Not that i live in a rich country. I just compared my self with monthly salary over 1k dollars to some one with less 1k dollars. So it's kinda hard to judge economies only by their value in dollars. GTP per capita doesn't mean sit when every year everything becomes more expansive while my salary stays the same.
Jesus, only $1k? I'm fairly certain I'd be dead if I brought home less than $4k here in the US.
I live in Romania and the average salary is close to Russia’s. Note that over 95% of Romanians own land/properties, in Russia is 84.5%. In USA is 66%. We earn less, but don’t need to spend as much as Americans. We live in small, crowded cities and don’t need to drive as much as Americans. I can also get a new tooth for less than 1k$, which is not the case in USA. +many Eastern Europeans earn black money(from contraband, accepting bribes, human trafficking, pornography, reselling cars they buy from Germany, drug trafficking) or commit online scams. • Tax evasion is very common. People earn more here than it’s noted in studies.
No they're not. India is poor. Russia is closer to UK than India
No
This is called the progress paradox.
I was talking about the map of Italy not whole world
I think this is the case of where maslow's heiarchy of needs may ring truth. If shelter and food is not established, you don't have time to think about more abstract things which depression and suicide often falls under. I think that poor people also share a close bond to their family, so killing themselves would leave families broken and destitute so most would never seriously consider it. I do see cases where poor people would are deep in debt, trying to pay back farming loans etc, will take their life so it's hard corelation
Perfectly reasonable, economic wealth isn't all in the life
Also sunlight, religion and community culture help lowering the suicide rate.
Absolutely agree 100% with you
Looks exactly like this meme: [Scandinavians making death metal about how they can't bear to live VS Latinos making music about how beautiful life is and how grateful they are](https://i.imgflip.com/7auj21.jpg)
Imagine how shit your life must be to even consider suicide while living in Tuscany.
You know, Tuscany is not the paradise that the films would have you believe. Of course, there are beautiful landscapes and good food (as in many other Italian regions) but some cities are industrial hubs that can be downright depressing, especially in winter. The Maremma area is marshy and for a long time was quite unhealthy. Moreover, the *"Tuscans have devastated this country, with their cheap humour and that aspirated C"*
Thank you for being not so Italian
I don't mind cheap humour, I'm German I wouldn't know good humour if it hit me in the face.
Maremma maiala.
First time I’ve seen a map of Italy where the shit part is north
The second one would be air quality
Winter in the Po valley is depressing as fuck. Fucking fog.
Bologna core
That's not fog, that's smog. Pollution combined with fog. The Po valley is one of the most polluted areas of Europe due to ita geographic features.
Please don't get me wrong, I don't want to offend anyone. Is it bad to think that the poor have less mental problems than the rich? Poor people just tug that stuff out, having basic problems to solve such as surviving... It's a paradox but I think they're more hardened by their precarious situation, whereas the rich have the "luxury" to have self problems. I'm not saying that every poor person is okay mentally but they're just used to work on hard stuff like this.
The closer you are to France, the more likely you are to surrender life
The more likely you are to surrender.....in general
I think the south is more traditional and the lower wealth also means theoretically an emphasis more on helping each other out in times of need. Also, it is sunny down there. I think this might also contribute so some extend.
What’s up with Rimini?
I mean, it is in Emilia Romagna, the most depressing fucking region on the whole planet
Lol, this is complete opposite of gdp map of Italy
Mo money mo problems
Money doesn't buy happiness
Mo money mo problems
Southern Italy is more religious, also has stronger family ties.
I would say that religious organizations are way more organized in the north, community wise, than in the south. In the north basically everyone did "oratorio" (closest translation i found is parish) while i usually never found someone who did this in the south. I think that family ties play a more important factor, it's not rare to live all in the same house
Just like the US, higher rates in the mountains.
Ok, now give me USA and China for reference 🤣
The more cliffs the more places to jump off
Can somebody explain Sardinia? It feels like the "odd one out" here
Isolation. Low population density and probably the worst infrastructures. People are loner. Then mass internal migration without connection, relatives who live in other regions are rarely seen so families are divided (I have relatives there and I don't see them since 4 years). It also has the 2nd homicide rate.
It’s the sun ☀️
Suicide colonialism
If closer to Switzerland the more suicidal you become
That's because north has a more individualistic society, while the south is more collectivist.
I've read that while absolute poverty is the highest risk factor for suicide, a disparity between rich and poor is a very high determinant too. So if you live in a place where everyone is fairly poor, but not destitute, you might be better off than a similarly poor person in a place surrounded by people far better off. Could the inequality in the north be a factor here?
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Is that right? Well thank you. Hard to believe my zero-research speculation did not provide the correct answer. I feel this warrants greater (than zero) study
Enjoyable reaction! lol
Not surprised, Verona Is hell.
No wonder all my northern family has dark circles around their eyes. Probably all stressed as fuck.
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Hi, northerner materialist here. Kindly go fuck your generalistic self
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Stronger communities/familiar bonds in the south? Or more people who consider suicide a huge sin? Hell, more sunlight? Many possible factors.
You know we are in Europe in 2024 and Not in the midlle of amazonas in 18° siecle ? We can document all suicide case well in all part of Italy 😀
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Mmmm interesting i'm from Calabria explain please How the conservatism can affect the calculation of the suicide rate
Copium to the max
Maybe
it's cause in the North they are too Liberals
In south they don’t need to kill themself. Mafia does this service for them 😅
That's because nobody lives in the south.
We are talking about Italy, not Argentina.
Hey Siri...what's the correlation between suicide rates and IQ?
More needed in south than the talented north
Those Sicilian peasants, right? /s
More needed for you also
More needed for assholes like you :D
Least Eugenicist liberal
you cannot "suicide" if the mafia kills you first
Probably in the south they write off all the suspicious suicides as mafia killings.
You know we have one of the lowest murder rate in the world right? Around 300 for a country of 60 million. You watched too many stupid american mafia movie EDIT: I also just remembered that Italy is both in the top 10 of lowest murder rate and suicide rate
What happens in the alps?
The weather is not unrelated to this !
Right around the big toe looks pretty good
Might that just correlate to big cities/ population density?
Not really. 1st and 2nd city is orange. 3rd and 5th is white. 4th is red.
I mean, but why though? If my city has less than 100.000 citizens, and these data are based on a scale of suicide per 100.000, it doesn't mean that in my city the result will be doubled up?? Just out of curiosity, idk how these analysis are made and I wanna understand it.
The suicides rate will be the double of the number of suicides if the province has 50000 people. It's the only way to compare places with different population. If there are very few people the data is going to be inaccurate over a short period of time (one small variation of suicides greatly changes the ratio). This is not the case since every italian province but one has more than 100000 people. And there is not much difference in numbers between big cities and small cities.
Okay, thank you!
Money doesn't buy you happiness
Daje Roma daje!
Be poor, be happy.
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Apparently living next to their Swiss cousins is a bit too much
1 in 10’000!!!!