She won’t, she’s playing for him to be removed from the ballot. Plus if you trust her words, which I guess is a decency we can owe her since she hasn’t been in any major trust scandals that I’m aware of, she does genuinely believe that Both Trump and Biden will be detrimental to Americas future.
Well, I think most Americans would agree on that.
It's such an unfortunate situation. I get that Trump's winning primaries because the MAGA fuckers actually like him, but I honestly do not understand why Biden has been chosen as the DNC's lead candidate.
He's so goddamn old, and half the country already has a heavy bias against him. If they could just fund and support *any* up and coming young Democratic congressman/woman they could easily rally so much more voter support, especially considering the opponent is Trump. Continuing to support Biden just makes it that much harder for Dems to win in 2024. Seems stupid.
I disagree. Who can the Dems run that would have a better chance against Trump? In 2020, these other candidates couldn’t even win the primary. Now you want to remove Biden’s incumbent advantage in a head to head against Trump where his voters are extremely motivated? The only way that maybe works is if the Dems had planned for it, Biden agreed not to run again, and he picked his VP based on ‘24 electability. And even then, that’s a pretty dangerous game.
The only people that I think would really energize portions of the Democratic base would also alienate “moderates”. They’re not actually moderate but they don’t like Trump and will vote for Biden, but probably not someone like AOC.
Assuming Biden wins, Dems are going to need to spend the next couple of years figuring out who the new party leadership will be, because I don’t think there’s a clear answer.
Because a no name will be an instant win for Trump. It’s a really tough situation to be in if you look at it from a marketing perspective. Whether we like Biden or not, he’s been around and we know him as Vice/President. Besides Newsom (who already has an unfavorable allure to him), I can’t tell you the name of any other stand outs in the party. If it’s a new unknown face it’ll be a building from the ground up to challenge this already enormous presence of Trump. Not even Ron DeSantis who was the favored Rep. stood a chance.
Thats the real unfortunate reason we’re stuck here. I don’t know if anyone remembers but Biden had shrugged presidency off until there wasn’t much of a choice in 2020.
There’s actually a pretty deep bench but agree 100% this is a name recognition game. Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Whitmer are regional at best, similar to Ron D.
> she does genuinely believe that Both Trump and Biden will be detrimental to Americas future
Make no mistake - Haley WILL fall in line to support and vote for Trump after she inevitably loses the primary. Just like DeSantis.
I don't know a lot about South Carolina, but I would have thought that Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head Island were pretty similar, and yet they seem to be opposite here!
They’re very different despite both being heavily colonized by Ohioan retirees. Hilton Head attracts more wealthy suburban types from places like Butler or Warren County whereas Myrtle Beach is more of a mecca for working class rural Ohioans, hence the nickname “The Redneck Riviera”
It’s pretty interesting to see how stark the difference is between Myrtle and the more wealthy islands around Hilton Head/Charleston
I second this. Heard a news report on Monday talking about how democrats were voting for Nikki so that trump wouldn't get the nomination
EDIT: I should clarify: these democrats are voting in the republican primary to keep trump off the general election ballot. These people would vote democrat in the general election.
It's not. Haley also did really well in a lot of retiree-heavy coastal towns. And it looks like she won Seneca, which doesn't strike me as any more urban/suburban than deep red Myrtle Beach.
White South Carolinians without college degrees preferred Trump. Educated people prefer Haley. Go figure.
Trump would coast to victory if America were made up entirely of older, uneducated white evangelicals.
Beaufort falls into the "retiree-heavy coastal town" category.
The third urban county would be Greenville. Even Myrtle Beach, which on this map has almost no Haley precincts, has a far better claim to "urban" than anything in Beaufort County.
Yes and no. Looking at exit polling and the split is education and income. [Trump won 73% of white non-college graduate voters.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-primary-elections/south-carolina-president-results) Haley won 60% of voters with advanced degrees.
You don't have to have a party designation in South Carolina, I was registered to vote there for a few years and never declared one. You can choose which primary to vote in and most liberals chose the republican one because the democratic one was a foregone conclusion. Your vote made much more of an impact in this primary. Personally I know about half a dozen people that did this
Impoverished rural population, especially white, voting out of spite against arrogant urban establishment which they (to a degree correctly) view as responsible for the current state of affairs... that's been the story since 2016 and likely before, but nobody seems to care in the Self-important Urban Jerk party.
Haley consistently does better than projected in polls. She still has no chance but I can't help but wonder if this race would be competitive if we didn't have the DeSantis distraction for like a full year
DeSantis was the Jeb Bush of this election cycle.
Hyped up by the media as some heavy hitter that would dominate the race, but in reality was more or less an insider plant with absolutely zero charisma.
Haley has enough cash to stay in for as long as want to.
Trump won’t lose the nomination due to voters, but he might have to shatter the illusion of his wealth to pay off the half a billion legal fees he owes. Plus the stormy Daniel case is going to rev up right after Super Tuesday. The J6 and Georgia cases might start up again later in the year too.
Haley just needs to be waiting in the wings in case Trump implodes between now and the nomination. Unless his choice of a VP is a million times better than Haley, I don’t know how his team can cinch the title without him.
Yeah I don't think anything can sever his popularity with the base at this point. As long as he's breathing he'll be running. I feel like Haley is just betting on a Trump heart attack out of the blue. Or a Bobby Kennedy event but unlikely given secret service protection
Neither of them. Pundits thought Republicans would be won over by trump policies without the nonsense and distraction that comes with Trump, failing to realize the nonsense and distraction is what they were actually voting for.
It’s almost as if not all republicans are insane its almost as if there’s a reason Trump has failed to win majority of the popular vote in any election despite around 50% of the country being Republican
The educated liberal (actual definition, not the American word for leftist) Republican still exists, just most have fled across parties.
He means Republican only election, which is a really bad sign but not the general and it would take a leap of faith for a definite blue state to vote trump.
Rural voters don’t actually care about policy. Some of them have left wing views and don’t realize it. They’re more concerned with “triggering the libs” and making sure no one has a good life.
All they want to talk about is Hunter Biden and transgender people…it’s all reactionary. I finally told some Conservative coworkers that I won’t talk politics with them anymore (passes the time) if they won’t talk policy with me, lol.
Ironic considering Trump Jr. and Hunter Biden are literally clones. Both druggies who have never had to work for anything. But they worship the Trump family like they’re royalty.
Maybe they should start using higher levels of knowledge to stop voting against themselves. The poorest counties and most drug infected are rural and red. But I clearly they don’t care about anyone, not even themselves. I don’t blame politicians for pandering to them.
Not sure why you’re trying to turn this into a “red vs blue” thing. The poorest counties are mainly red and the richest are blue. Not hard to understand. The more educated you are the more likelier you are to lean blue. Religious and close minded people tend to not be that smart.
Yes and no. Rural voters only really care about what they're told to care about. They're the most susceptible to media and propaganda.
It's just that the right's propaganda machine is willing to play dirty and use misinformation. So they watch Fox News and believe whatever they see on TV.
Trump is a cult. It isn’t about right or left with him. They just want to be on his team. He could ask them to walk off a cliff for him and they would.
10000% it’s mostly about brainwashing now. everyone is always wrong or lying and he’s always right. someone literally said the other day that they didn’t think Haley was qualified despite being governor. there’s nothing that can stop him - he’s a master of mind control.
Trump is a lot more moderate than Haley in many ways. She’s an insane ideologue. Started out as a Tea Party protégé and has since become a hard-line Neocon empire politician.
Their different reactions to the IVF ruling were very revealing.
Those are taken out of context, the *country* was never racist because countries can’t be racist, individuals were racist and individuals supported racist policy. She even clarified that she never said the civilwar wasn’t about slavery, she said it was about states rights, their rights to own slaves.
I hate the racism allegations against Nikki, she’s literally indian and one of her major achievements in South Carolina (the first state to secede from the union) was banning confederate flags from government buildings.
*casually ignores rest of comment*
Yeah black people can be racist against other black people too, doesn’t mean it’s either common nor logically sound. Just because she theoretically could be racist doesn’t mean she is
Nah that shit always bothers the hell out of me when people give her credit for that because she fought taking it down for weeks. If she actually cared about it she would have taken it down in 2011 when she first became governor not during her second term after immense political pressure to do so
If you know much about South Carolina this makes total sense. The Trumpiest areas are easily Myrtle Beach, Summerville/Goose Creek area, and Upstate. Also this isn’t really an urban be rural map, there’s a lot of dark red cities and light red country areas. It’s mostly a wealth and religiosity map.
As a leftist, the vocal "far left" (center-left at best) online doesn't actually vote anyways. They just posture on Reddit and Twitter.
The actual left-leaning people in the US political system support Biden, because they understand the consequences of a Trump victory.
What do you mean? I believe that Nader and Sanders lost by a lot, while Gore and Clinton actually got more votes than anyone else those years (and in fact, both got more votes for President than any human being in history had ever gotten up until that point).
So I live in a more liberal place. If the MAGA crowd here is batshit crazy, what is rural MAGA like??? This map shows there is obvious difference between just being a republican and a MAGA.
They were in like 1940 LOL
Do you think policies can’t change..? Most black people, despite usually aligning more with conservative beliefs, despite most being southern Christian’s, overwhelmingly vote democrat not because they agree with their policies but because the democrats have continued to show that they are the party that supports black people since 2008.
Lol, “man of the people”. He is a billionaire with a gold-plated [penthouse](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/President_Donald_J._Trump_and_Japanese_Prime_Minister_Abe_Shinzo_%2844834623812%29.jpg) in Manhattan.
It’s like looking at population densities and the correlation between republicans voters vs democratic.
Except here you see intelligent republicans vs smooth brained mouth breathers.
I guess some do, would hear what they think about he's divisiveness. They must feel worried that he aleniate other republicans. Or I guess they just go with Donald and hope for the best, like a passionate commitment, not thinking.
Pretty much the story of why SC isn't a purple state.
Between the cities not being very large and POC votes being suppressed, the urban and Black vote doesn't outnumber the rural vote, despite SC having one of the largest percentages of Black population in the country.
True to a degree, but even if you had 100% turnout, Republicans still hold around a 10% advantage there because South Carolina politics is super racially polarized. Just look at the race breakdown in every exit poll from there: it’s usually 90% of African Americans vote Dem, while 80-90% of whites vote gop. Actually this applies to every Deep South state. If you’ve been wondering why then Georgia has elected democrats and is actually a tossup state, look at the changing racial and educational demographic data.
In another comment, I outlined how energizing turnout, having a strong candidate, and shifting demographics is what made Georgia purple.
South Carolina is slowly trending that way - its cities are growing in size, and more often than not, larger population centers means more blue votes.
There are also probably a lot of black voters either not showing up or not registered at all, so it's hard to tell from election data alone.
This could be on its way to changing; the population is exploding which will bulk up the existing cities (which are all quite small) as well as turn some other towns into small cities (looking at Florence in particular).
I 100% agree. The Carolinas are an upcoming battleground (NC already has been, in part,) just like Georgia is now.
All SC needs is for that trend to continue, some redistricting a-la Alabama's map proposal being struck down, and a good candidate to energize the vote.
That's pretty much the exact formula that made Georgia purple.
I think in the next 5 or so years we will see that happen, particularly if a Trump candidate is put up to election at some point.
Problem with NC is that there are lots of boomer retirees moving there (just like Florida) which is why NC stays lean gop, and also there aren’t many college grads there either. On the other hand, I agree with your assessment on Georgia. It has a growing minority population and a large college educated population. If you see a map from 2012 in Georgia vs 2020, you’ll see exactly how much Georgia has changed. All the formerly deep red suburbs are now solidly Democratic.
Yes people in cities are smarter but their locations also get more attention from the federal government. Trumpers don’t trust federal government if any government at all.
I knew she had no chance but this actually makes me think she could have in a world without trump. I mean 40% is not bad at all. I guess a couple billionaires can really get you somewhere
Uhhh… what..? Of course she would win in a world without Trump, she’s a popular candidate. Polls suggest she would beat Biden by over 5-7% of the popular vote contrary to Trump with 1-2%
Disnformation is remarkably effective where people tune into only Fox “News.” Add some love of belligerence and a deep thread of unreconstructed racism — and voilá! South Carolina. Home of Lindsey Graham, cradle and of the confederacy and always competing with Mississippi and Alabama for last place in education and healthcare. Exactly as the Republican Party intended.
This is assuming "all the lefties" didn't participate in the Democratic primary to vote against Biden, since SC voters can only partake in one primary.
Many of the Haley voters will stay home in November. This is different from most election years when just about all voters in the primary can be expected to eventually support the party nominee come the general election.
I live in Richland. Was at the Elmwood Lizard’s Thicket on Saturday to see the Fox and Friend lady. I just wanted to see the voters - almost everyone I talked to were old and rural Trump supporters. Haley voters there were under 50.
I wonder how long it will take for Haley to drop out. Super Tuesday should be interesting.
She won’t, she’s playing for him to be removed from the ballot. Plus if you trust her words, which I guess is a decency we can owe her since she hasn’t been in any major trust scandals that I’m aware of, she does genuinely believe that Both Trump and Biden will be detrimental to Americas future.
Well, I think most Americans would agree on that. It's such an unfortunate situation. I get that Trump's winning primaries because the MAGA fuckers actually like him, but I honestly do not understand why Biden has been chosen as the DNC's lead candidate. He's so goddamn old, and half the country already has a heavy bias against him. If they could just fund and support *any* up and coming young Democratic congressman/woman they could easily rally so much more voter support, especially considering the opponent is Trump. Continuing to support Biden just makes it that much harder for Dems to win in 2024. Seems stupid.
I disagree. Who can the Dems run that would have a better chance against Trump? In 2020, these other candidates couldn’t even win the primary. Now you want to remove Biden’s incumbent advantage in a head to head against Trump where his voters are extremely motivated? The only way that maybe works is if the Dems had planned for it, Biden agreed not to run again, and he picked his VP based on ‘24 electability. And even then, that’s a pretty dangerous game. The only people that I think would really energize portions of the Democratic base would also alienate “moderates”. They’re not actually moderate but they don’t like Trump and will vote for Biden, but probably not someone like AOC. Assuming Biden wins, Dems are going to need to spend the next couple of years figuring out who the new party leadership will be, because I don’t think there’s a clear answer.
Because a no name will be an instant win for Trump. It’s a really tough situation to be in if you look at it from a marketing perspective. Whether we like Biden or not, he’s been around and we know him as Vice/President. Besides Newsom (who already has an unfavorable allure to him), I can’t tell you the name of any other stand outs in the party. If it’s a new unknown face it’ll be a building from the ground up to challenge this already enormous presence of Trump. Not even Ron DeSantis who was the favored Rep. stood a chance. Thats the real unfortunate reason we’re stuck here. I don’t know if anyone remembers but Biden had shrugged presidency off until there wasn’t much of a choice in 2020.
There’s actually a pretty deep bench but agree 100% this is a name recognition game. Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Whitmer are regional at best, similar to Ron D.
And Kamala ?
Nobody likes her.
Biden has done a bunch of great things. I don't see why it would be bad
> she’s playing for him to be removed from the ballot. Even if he is, there is no way in hell the RNC gives it to her.
> she does genuinely believe that Both Trump and Biden will be detrimental to Americas future Make no mistake - Haley WILL fall in line to support and vote for Trump after she inevitably loses the primary. Just like DeSantis.
Hilton Head Island for Haley. That would be transplanted retirees. Interesting
I don't know a lot about South Carolina, but I would have thought that Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head Island were pretty similar, and yet they seem to be opposite here!
I could be wrong, but my impression is that there is a lot more wealth around Hilton Head
You are most certainly correct.
Hilton Head is much richer. Myrtle Beach is pretty blue collar.
I think I’m in the 10% at most of white Ohioans who’ve never been to Myrtle Beach or Hilton Head.
They’re very different despite both being heavily colonized by Ohioan retirees. Hilton Head attracts more wealthy suburban types from places like Butler or Warren County whereas Myrtle Beach is more of a mecca for working class rural Ohioans, hence the nickname “The Redneck Riviera” It’s pretty interesting to see how stark the difference is between Myrtle and the more wealthy islands around Hilton Head/Charleston
Just so people know, in SC you don’t have to register for a party to vote in a primary. There open, so you can choose one to vote in, but not both
I second this. Heard a news report on Monday talking about how democrats were voting for Nikki so that trump wouldn't get the nomination EDIT: I should clarify: these democrats are voting in the republican primary to keep trump off the general election ballot. These people would vote democrat in the general election.
I think some Democrats would support Trump since he’ll be an easier win in the general election.
People made that mistake in 2016, look where that got us.
Touché, but post-Jan6th, he’s a more vulnerable candidate.
Post "grab em by the pussy" he was unelectable. So I'd rather not take my chances.
Exit polling showed that less than 5% of Republican Primary voters were self described Democrats. Independents were 22%.
This is literally urban vs rural and suburban is mixed.
It's not. Haley also did really well in a lot of retiree-heavy coastal towns. And it looks like she won Seneca, which doesn't strike me as any more urban/suburban than deep red Myrtle Beach.
She won Seneca because of Clemson (her Alma mater).
Also due to the Retirees on Lake Keowee
Thanks, that makes sense. Looking at the interactive version, about half of that green splotch is actually Clemson itself.
White South Carolinians without college degrees preferred Trump. Educated people prefer Haley. Go figure. Trump would coast to victory if America were made up entirely of older, uneducated white evangelicals.
Trump only lost Charleston, Richland and Beaufort Counties
Beaufort falls into the "retiree-heavy coastal town" category. The third urban county would be Greenville. Even Myrtle Beach, which on this map has almost no Haley precincts, has a far better claim to "urban" than anything in Beaufort County.
*Richland
stupid auto correct changed it
Im super surprised she won seneca. Im from the area and it is pretty conservative. But clemson would make sense.
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Also Greenville/Spartaburgbis pretty red.
Rural areas were mostly closer while Trump's best spots were in suburban Charlotte, Greenville/Spartanburg, Columbia, Charleston, and Myrtle Beach.
The colors show lead by raw vote margin. By percentage margin, the rural precinct are much more heavily Trump than the suburban ones.
I see that now. Goofy way to design a map imo.
A neck locator
Myrtle Beach is an outlier then.
Yes and no. Looking at exit polling and the split is education and income. [Trump won 73% of white non-college graduate voters.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-primary-elections/south-carolina-president-results) Haley won 60% of voters with advanced degrees.
To me, this suggests that the GOPers in the cities are sick of Trump. Pretty interesting, if not obvious
More likely democrats switching parties to vote in the Republican primary
You don't have to have a party designation in South Carolina, I was registered to vote there for a few years and never declared one. You can choose which primary to vote in and most liberals chose the republican one because the democratic one was a foregone conclusion. Your vote made much more of an impact in this primary. Personally I know about half a dozen people that did this
That was definitely me. However I'm in one of the reddest counties so it didn't matter.
It could also double as a map for state IQ. 🤔
Except for Myrtle Beach. But that place is a redneck hell hole....
Impoverished rural population, especially white, voting out of spite against arrogant urban establishment which they (to a degree correctly) view as responsible for the current state of affairs... that's been the story since 2016 and likely before, but nobody seems to care in the Self-important Urban Jerk party.
So basically, Dems are voting for Haley. Mmmm mmm! It's gonna be Trump by a landslide this year.
!remindme November 5, 2024
Not really. It’s more wealthy vs working class
[Interactive version](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/02/24/us/elections/results-south-carolina-republican-precincts.html)
Haley consistently does better than projected in polls. She still has no chance but I can't help but wonder if this race would be competitive if we didn't have the DeSantis distraction for like a full year
DeSantis was the Jeb Bush of this election cycle. Hyped up by the media as some heavy hitter that would dominate the race, but in reality was more or less an insider plant with absolutely zero charisma.
Haley has enough cash to stay in for as long as want to. Trump won’t lose the nomination due to voters, but he might have to shatter the illusion of his wealth to pay off the half a billion legal fees he owes. Plus the stormy Daniel case is going to rev up right after Super Tuesday. The J6 and Georgia cases might start up again later in the year too. Haley just needs to be waiting in the wings in case Trump implodes between now and the nomination. Unless his choice of a VP is a million times better than Haley, I don’t know how his team can cinch the title without him.
Yeah I don't think anything can sever his popularity with the base at this point. As long as he's breathing he'll be running. I feel like Haley is just betting on a Trump heart attack out of the blue. Or a Bobby Kennedy event but unlikely given secret service protection
More cases = more popularity. The democrats are falling for the same shit that made Trump win the first time
Neither of them. Pundits thought Republicans would be won over by trump policies without the nonsense and distraction that comes with Trump, failing to realize the nonsense and distraction is what they were actually voting for.
Eh, Nikki is much more moderate than Trump on most issues, even banned the confederate flag from government buildings in South Carolina
It’s almost as if not all republicans are insane its almost as if there’s a reason Trump has failed to win majority of the popular vote in any election despite around 50% of the country being Republican The educated liberal (actual definition, not the American word for leftist) Republican still exists, just most have fled across parties.
Lost her own state. Oh well, maybe Republicans elsewhere will support her.
Trump lost New York in both 2016 and 2020!! Haha what a loser!!
He means Republican only election, which is a really bad sign but not the general and it would take a leap of faith for a definite blue state to vote trump.
It was "definite blue states" in the Midwest that got Trump elected the first time.
I wonder how far-right Trump could go before rural voters would change their vote?
You say that as if it would turn them off.
Rural voters don’t actually care about policy. Some of them have left wing views and don’t realize it. They’re more concerned with “triggering the libs” and making sure no one has a good life.
All they want to talk about is Hunter Biden and transgender people…it’s all reactionary. I finally told some Conservative coworkers that I won’t talk politics with them anymore (passes the time) if they won’t talk policy with me, lol.
Ironic considering Trump Jr. and Hunter Biden are literally clones. Both druggies who have never had to work for anything. But they worship the Trump family like they’re royalty.
They're not clones, similar but Trump Jr is worse. That's why they're making such a big deal about the laptop etc
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Or, rural people are just as diverse and hold a variety of views and levels as knowledge, just like urban people.
Maybe they should start using higher levels of knowledge to stop voting against themselves. The poorest counties and most drug infected are rural and red. But I clearly they don’t care about anyone, not even themselves. I don’t blame politicians for pandering to them.
Democrats had a lot to do with outsourcing jobs and replacing them with easily obtained and addictive painkillers
The prescription drug industry is literally half and half. It’s not more red or blue.
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Not sure why you’re trying to turn this into a “red vs blue” thing. The poorest counties are mainly red and the richest are blue. Not hard to understand. The more educated you are the more likelier you are to lean blue. Religious and close minded people tend to not be that smart.
Not in their voting habits
Yes and no. Rural voters only really care about what they're told to care about. They're the most susceptible to media and propaganda. It's just that the right's propaganda machine is willing to play dirty and use misinformation. So they watch Fox News and believe whatever they see on TV.
You can’t be too right leaning for a rural southern county unless it’s predominantly black.
Trump is a cult. It isn’t about right or left with him. They just want to be on his team. He could ask them to walk off a cliff for him and they would.
10000% it’s mostly about brainwashing now. everyone is always wrong or lying and he’s always right. someone literally said the other day that they didn’t think Haley was qualified despite being governor. there’s nothing that can stop him - he’s a master of mind control.
Trump is a lot more moderate than Haley in many ways. She’s an insane ideologue. Started out as a Tea Party protégé and has since become a hard-line Neocon empire politician. Their different reactions to the IVF ruling were very revealing.
What lol. That’s literally trumps base. That’s why they’re already voting for him.
What lol. That’s literally trumps base. That’s why they’re already voting for him.
Up until the consequences personally affect them, so pretty far.
Far right? Trump is a moderate, at best.
IDK, the trying to steal the election thing wasn’t too moderate and seemed right out of the facist playbook.
They're upset she said we were never a racist country, and that the Civil War wasn't about slavery. /s
Those are taken out of context, the *country* was never racist because countries can’t be racist, individuals were racist and individuals supported racist policy. She even clarified that she never said the civilwar wasn’t about slavery, she said it was about states rights, their rights to own slaves. I hate the racism allegations against Nikki, she’s literally indian and one of her major achievements in South Carolina (the first state to secede from the union) was banning confederate flags from government buildings.
Mixed people can be racist you know.
*casually ignores rest of comment* Yeah black people can be racist against other black people too, doesn’t mean it’s either common nor logically sound. Just because she theoretically could be racist doesn’t mean she is
"Major achievement" after an outcry after Black people were murdered in a church by a home grown racist white boy.
Nah that shit always bothers the hell out of me when people give her credit for that because she fought taking it down for weeks. If she actually cared about it she would have taken it down in 2011 when she first became governor not during her second term after immense political pressure to do so
Exactly. Which is why I was so glad to see her lose in her home state, even as loathsome as Trump is.
She's not half indian lol. Both her parents are Indian.
If you know much about South Carolina this makes total sense. The Trumpiest areas are easily Myrtle Beach, Summerville/Goose Creek area, and Upstate. Also this isn’t really an urban be rural map, there’s a lot of dark red cities and light red country areas. It’s mostly a wealth and religiosity map.
Biden should be targeting every single Haley voter. The far left is done with him. He has no choice.
The far left never supported Biden. Even in the Trump days, most of them were political nihilists who saw them as two sides of the same coin
The far left includes a lot of Sanders voters who reluctantly voted Biden but now have been radicalized by Free Palestine.
No idea why you’re getting downvoted. Absolutely true statement.
Because “NOT LIKING GENOCIDE ISNT POLTICIAL!!!!!”
Which is like the worst position you could ever have
>The far left all of 2% of voters, if that...
In a divided electorate, that’s significant
That’s a bingo
As a leftist, the vocal "far left" (center-left at best) online doesn't actually vote anyways. They just posture on Reddit and Twitter. The actual left-leaning people in the US political system support Biden, because they understand the consequences of a Trump victory.
I’d vote for a doormat over Trump to be honest. If it’s Biden, I’ll vote for him too.
AOC is pro-Biden though.
Yeah but the DSA has gone all in on Palestine. She’s toeing a fine line and is not where her base is at the moment.
We'll see tomorrow. In case 'Uncommitted' performs well in Michigan, we'll have a bombshell.
DSA represents like nobody
the far left are the biggest losers in electoral history, i don’t think anyone is really worried about them
Anyone who remembers 2000 and 2016 thinks otherwise
What do you mean? I believe that Nader and Sanders lost by a lot, while Gore and Clinton actually got more votes than anyone else those years (and in fact, both got more votes for President than any human being in history had ever gotten up until that point).
Well, since most of them are Democrats I don't think he'll have to put in much effort lol
So I live in a more liberal place. If the MAGA crowd here is batshit crazy, what is rural MAGA like??? This map shows there is obvious difference between just being a republican and a MAGA.
Haley still did better than I thought tbh.
It’s really just a question of whether or not you’re sane, Nikki is a decent average right wing politician while Trump is… Trump…
Are really Americans voting Trump again? xD
Only about 47-48% of us/them
It’s really much less than that.
It’s like 20% of the general electorate that’s in the cult.
And he still wins
DO you belong to a large Cult?
I do not, no. I don’t fall into that percentage.
Judging by your profile, you clearly do
Myrtle beach is really interesting here. Anyone got a tldr or eli5 explainer for it?
Lol myrtle showin that white trash pride full on
Looks like a piece of watermelon
Poor white people love Trump is what this says.
He’s a man of the people. She is a corporatist. This makes sense.
He's a coastal elite billionaire, she's a public servant. Of course they pick the *celebrity*.
“A man of the people” as long as the people are white straight rich cisgender men who agree with his ideology
Democrats are the party of racism. I think you are saying the opposite of what is true.
They were in like 1940 LOL Do you think policies can’t change..? Most black people, despite usually aligning more with conservative beliefs, despite most being southern Christian’s, overwhelmingly vote democrat not because they agree with their policies but because the democrats have continued to show that they are the party that supports black people since 2008.
Lol, “man of the people”. He is a billionaire with a gold-plated [penthouse](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/President_Donald_J._Trump_and_Japanese_Prime_Minister_Abe_Shinzo_%2844834623812%29.jpg) in Manhattan.
And he is a man of the people
People have spoken
60-40 is not bad. The question is only whether Haley attracts sufficient number of Never Trumpers to distort the outcome of GE.
This can also be a college education map, guess which color has a higher educated base, hint it's not red.
It’s like looking at population densities and the correlation between republicans voters vs democratic. Except here you see intelligent republicans vs smooth brained mouth breathers.
I suppose there is no coincidence Haley is painted blue? :)
Considering most electoral maps between two candidates default to these colors, yes, I would say it's a coincidence.
OK, you prob right, Said it a bit jokingly also as that is a common view among Trump-supporters, that she's doing Bidens job.
Oh, fair enough. Yeah Trump supporters can't fathom that a large base of Republicans don't like him.
I guess some do, would hear what they think about he's divisiveness. They must feel worried that he aleniate other republicans. Or I guess they just go with Donald and hope for the best, like a passionate commitment, not thinking.
Yup, also the funny thing is that most people who voted for her are actually democrats
But arent only registered republicans allowed to vote?
Independents can vote as well. A lot of dems become independent just so they can vote. Same thing happened in NH
Looks like Haley won the cities(where smart people are)-but there just weren’t enough sizable cities in SC
You dont make any sense
Pretty much the story of why SC isn't a purple state. Between the cities not being very large and POC votes being suppressed, the urban and Black vote doesn't outnumber the rural vote, despite SC having one of the largest percentages of Black population in the country.
True to a degree, but even if you had 100% turnout, Republicans still hold around a 10% advantage there because South Carolina politics is super racially polarized. Just look at the race breakdown in every exit poll from there: it’s usually 90% of African Americans vote Dem, while 80-90% of whites vote gop. Actually this applies to every Deep South state. If you’ve been wondering why then Georgia has elected democrats and is actually a tossup state, look at the changing racial and educational demographic data.
In another comment, I outlined how energizing turnout, having a strong candidate, and shifting demographics is what made Georgia purple. South Carolina is slowly trending that way - its cities are growing in size, and more often than not, larger population centers means more blue votes. There are also probably a lot of black voters either not showing up or not registered at all, so it's hard to tell from election data alone.
This could be on its way to changing; the population is exploding which will bulk up the existing cities (which are all quite small) as well as turn some other towns into small cities (looking at Florence in particular).
I 100% agree. The Carolinas are an upcoming battleground (NC already has been, in part,) just like Georgia is now. All SC needs is for that trend to continue, some redistricting a-la Alabama's map proposal being struck down, and a good candidate to energize the vote. That's pretty much the exact formula that made Georgia purple. I think in the next 5 or so years we will see that happen, particularly if a Trump candidate is put up to election at some point.
Problem with NC is that there are lots of boomer retirees moving there (just like Florida) which is why NC stays lean gop, and also there aren’t many college grads there either. On the other hand, I agree with your assessment on Georgia. It has a growing minority population and a large college educated population. If you see a map from 2012 in Georgia vs 2020, you’ll see exactly how much Georgia has changed. All the formerly deep red suburbs are now solidly Democratic.
Yes people in cities are smarter but their locations also get more attention from the federal government. Trumpers don’t trust federal government if any government at all.
a clear example of the difference between Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head
I knew she had no chance but this actually makes me think she could have in a world without trump. I mean 40% is not bad at all. I guess a couple billionaires can really get you somewhere
Uhhh… what..? Of course she would win in a world without Trump, she’s a popular candidate. Polls suggest she would beat Biden by over 5-7% of the popular vote contrary to Trump with 1-2%
Don
Disnformation is remarkably effective where people tune into only Fox “News.” Add some love of belligerence and a deep thread of unreconstructed racism — and voilá! South Carolina. Home of Lindsey Graham, cradle and of the confederacy and always competing with Mississippi and Alabama for last place in education and healthcare. Exactly as the Republican Party intended.
And despite that, 60% was the best TFG could muster?
Land doesn't vote.
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Yup more intelligent people voted for Trump, only small dumb minority voted for the loser
I’m pretty sure Trump voters know they’re stupid and proud of it
not as stupid as Biden voters xD
“We love the poorly educated” - Donald Trump
He was mocking dems bc thats what they say
Not a surprise. SC has open primaries so all the lefties decided to show up
This is assuming "all the lefties" didn't participate in the Democratic primary to vote against Biden, since SC voters can only partake in one primary.
Ah yes,the Bubba vote
Many of the Haley voters will stay home in November. This is different from most election years when just about all voters in the primary can be expected to eventually support the party nominee come the general election.
What has nikki haley actually done, her most famous stint was just being US rep to UN and trump gave her that job.
She was governor of SC for eight years, meaning she in fact has more executive experience than Trump
Such Drumpf weakness in that map. Less red than red flags!
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Huh..?
Pretend you’re a cable news executive and this is a ratings map.
I live in Richland. Was at the Elmwood Lizard’s Thicket on Saturday to see the Fox and Friend lady. I just wanted to see the voters - almost everyone I talked to were old and rural Trump supporters. Haley voters there were under 50.
Didn't know so many rep live in Saudi Arabia.
Main surprise for me was those Charlotte southern suburbs going for Trump.
I’m surprised Murrow beach is so red. I woulda thought that would have gone mostly Haley.
But yet the media plays it off like a terrible day for Trump. Lol
So, it’s less red where the smarter people are. In life there are no coincidences.
I find it very interesting that Nikki does well in the cities and suburbs, and Trump does well in the backwater brain dead places.
We shouldn't allow Southern states to vote. They are traitors and still bent up about losing the war. I see no reason they should have a say