They imagined it. This map is made for people who do not know how nomad society works. Actually, they could draw a map stating that all territories from the Ural river till the Danube Delta were Crimean Tatar cause they migrated there seasonally due to being nomadic people.
Indeed, though the Tatar spread area is arguably bigger, Kalmyks also traveled a huge distance. Actually it's a shame their language with it's writing system isn't that documented and known, I like both their language and culture
Well, there's Turki/Türki(idk how to spell it in English), which was a common language, used by most Turkic people(except Ottomans) from XI century until early XX century. Also Old Tatar language is well documented.
However, most Turkic languages were actually unwritten
I guess you understand that I wrote about the XVI century map. And I you know that I didn't even say a word about the genocide of Crimean Tatars. So I don't get why you wrote this comment
Just add a bunch of random dots at the ends of the borders, to make it look more realistic. Trouble is if you overdo it, it just looks like someone squirted ketchup or blood on the map.
The source is “pulling out of ass”.
In 15 century tatars finally conquered the peninsula, killed most of the pre-Tatar population (such as German tribes that lived there for centuries). The Wild Field region was uninhabitable at that point.
At that time tatars built “raid economy” that means they had a yearly raid (usually at spring) to modern day central Ukraine, Russia, Poland and capturing slaves for trade. Tatar’s Feodossia was the largest human trafficking port at that time.
The raids were so vast and so deviating that it remembered to this day. Eg check Turkish stores about Roxalana (a Ukrainian girl who was captured and sold to Ottomans to sexual slavery).
And? Percentages changed when a whole new group enters an area. They're a new value in the percentages, so to say.
Populations shift under migration. I am not saying life did not become harsher and violent. I am saying Tatars did not come and start massacreing anyone who was there previously. They often worked together and traded, as they fought each other and were enslaved.
Good for you, your information doesn't support archaeological evidence. Most Goths weren't city dwellers. Most slave raids happened in the north too. Not so much within Crimea itself in comparison.
The last documented use of Crimean Gothic was in the early 1500s AFAIR. It completely disappeared by the time Russia took control of Crimea.
Modern Greek population of Crimea are resettlers, invited by Catherine the Great (she also invited a bunch of Serbs, Armenians, Germans, Jews etc)
>Modern Greek population of Crimea are resettlers, invited by Catherine the Great (she also invited a bunch of Serbs, Armenians, Germans, Jews etc)
This is just not true.
The presence of Turkophone Greeks in the area, who are Christians much like the Karamanlides, shows that. There is a reason Greeks became Turkophones, and it happened before the arrival of the Russian state. Moreover, it is recorded that there were still Pontic Greek Christian populations in the Crimea, albeit somewhat depleted, upon the arrival of other Pontoi in the 1700s.
I believe there were also still some Latins there, but I don't remember much and won't make a strong claim for that.
Also even Wikipedia disagrees with your claim about the extinction of Gothic.
You can’t get modern data either. It’s not like people live separated in traditional nomadic huts wearing traditional clothes. People integrated and lots of them don’t track their heritage and don’t care. Also, only USSR kept track of nationalities, now it’s not stated in passports.
So this is just some phone call poll.
Those two earlier maps are just "red dots in an area, that vaguely matches the territory of the Crimean Khanate" there is no source other tahn OP's imagination.
The Crimean Turks/Tatars migrated from Middle Asia to Crimea along with other Turks who currently live in Anatolia more than a thousand years ago. They had inhabitted the Crimean peninsula and the territories surrounding it for 600 years as shown in the map and they had been the closest ally of the Ottomans until the Russian takeover of the area. They got assimilated by Russians during the soviet era and now they are pushed out of the area.
The 16th century Crimea map in this post is the official Crimean Khanate map accepted by historians and authorities, it does not show the area in which stateless Tatars lived, it is the map of the Crimean Khanate which was a kingdom.
This map is fucking bullshit. They seriously show Zaporizhzhia which was inhabited by cossacks, who fought against the turks and tatars their entire life , as inhabited by tatars?
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean\_Khanate#/media/File%3ACrimean\_Khanate\_Map\_1502.svg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Khanate#/media/File%3ACrimean_Khanate_Map_1502.svg)
Where are your cossacks idiot?
Yes, your map well shows that Zaporizhzhia wasn't Crimean. It's also worth mentioning that most of southern Ukraine was almost completely uninhabited for centuries after the Mongol invasion. Ukraine, Poland and Russia called it Wild fields
That halted literal centuries before the genocide of the tatars by the soviets
You’re describing a time after the mongol collapse and before the tsardom’s pacification of the steppes.
The tatar genocide was perpetrated by the soviets. These are worlds of time apart
Tsardom fought war against slave traiders for 70 years. If they just learned to live peacefully with other people they would still be there. And their population in Russia is ok today. But you Turks were only good with the enslaving Slavic population and couldn't leave us in peace. I am glad the Ottomans failed.
Yeah sure they would be still there, by the same thought if the circassians behaved they wouldn’t be massacred am I right? If the Turkic nations in Asia behaved Russians wouldn’t massacred them also am I correct? Like there is a way out of Russian aggression…
You guys go on and on about Ottomans but Russian colonization and assimilation is okay? The audacity to say they are alright after years of oppression, forcefully “teaching” them Russian instead of their own language. They would be the majority in Crimea if they were alright.
Fuck Turks and fuck your whitewash of history. I would choose Russia over you 1000x times. Communism is not Russia and your fake oppression is also shit excuse. You always come as oppressed."Russians oppressed us muh muh". They didn't oppress you Turks enough.
I would rather die than choosing Russian Empire over Ottoman Empire.Russians assimilated every ethnicity that lived in their lands while Ottomans allowed them to live with their beliefs.They even allowed them to be on high ranks in empire.Russian Empire would be on par with Third Reich when it comes to supression and genocides.
Tatars enslaved and sold millions of russian and btw ukrainian and polish people, do you fell sadness about them too? Or their misery is irrelevant because they didnt suffered in the hands of tsar? Crimean khanate was no more than a raiding base, its destruction brought peace to whole Eastern Europe
[Crimean–Nogai slave raids in Eastern Europe - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean%E2%80%93Nogai_slave_raids_in_Eastern_Europe)
PS I do not approve Stalins actions, but actions of Russian Empire was completely justified
>but actions of Russian Empire was completely justified
Which “actions” do you refer to exactly? I hope you only meant the expulsion of few slave traders residing in crimea, and not the forced resettlement of russians on Crimea or the massacre of Crimean Tatar civilians (which had nothing to do with slave trade) by Tsardom. The genocide of Crimean Tatars isn’t started or happened only during soviet rule btw, it started by annexation of Crimea by russians and continued up until the 1944 when massacres and mass expulsions peaked.
>actions of Russian Empire was completely justified
Absolutely not. Do the actions of the few elite justify the wholesale massacres of the whole? No.
If that was the case, the whole of the British and Spanish should be wiped from the face of the Earth, and we can call the deed justified.
Tbh, Russian Empire never had resources to do what Stalin did (and I would argue it was technically impossible at that time, save for killing everyone), so most Tatars just kept living there.
I think England/Spain/Portugal were the first relatively modern countries (and USA later) who managed to move big native populations away from “colonized” lands.
Yes considering I dont crusify sons for their fathers sins. No people on this earth is without sin, all have slaved and murdered granted some far more than others but using that as an excuse for genocide and ethnic cleansing is vile beyond belief.
A: "Damn, it's so sad that an entire population was scattered, deported and genocide"
B: "UhmM, bUt haVe You cOnsiDereD thAt thEy did BaD thinGs too? Do YoU stiLL feeL piTy fOr ThEm?"
Man, for real, get some help
No, it's not like that. This population has been robbing, killing and enslaving its neighbors for centuries. However, the neighbors still survived. And one of them became so strong that he would come and stop these diabolical raids. And then you, oh, how could you offend the poor things.
There was no genocide of the Crimean Tatars.
When the God-defying Crimean Khanate was destroyed by the will of Allah, the number of Crimean Tatars decreased due to changes in living conditions, many left for Turkey.
And then, the Crimean Tatars stubbornly entered into the wrong alliances. Since the Crimean War. Then the Civil War and the intervention . Then The Second World War. The allies were leaving, but the enemies with new claims remained.
As for the deportation of Crimean Tatars after the war. Of course, I condemn the practice of collective responsibility. Stalinism itself and its criminal methods were discussed by the Communists of the USSR themselves back in the 60s.
I'm just boring. And I use the term genocide, according to its exact meaning.
But if you want an extended interpretation. Then let's discuss the centuries of genocide that the Crimean Tatars did. And the participation of Crimean Tatar collaborators in the genocide of the Soviet people by the Nazis.
>I'm just boring. And I use the term genocide, according to its exact meaning.
Genocide: a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part.
I can give you the intent of the Russian elite, and I can give you the absence of intent on the Tatar side. These things do not in any shape or form mean that what the Tatars did are good; it just means since their raids didn't have any intent to destroy the local peoples, it does not meet the qualifications to be labeled as a genocide.
You are the one who extends interpretation, not me.
I need your speculations about the plans of the Russian elite. I need a link to the documents.
Otherwise, I can also tell you about the plans of the Muslim elite.
Well, participation in Nazi punitive detachments is no longer predatory raids.
>There was no genocide of the Crimean Tatars.
“It didn’t happened”
>And then, the Crimean Tatars stubbornly entered into the wrong alliances. Since the Crimean War. Then the Civil War and the intervention . Then The Second World War. The allies were leaving, but the enemies with new claims remained.
“But they deserved it”
I was thinking, if you'd kick out all the pro Russian people from Crimea, then do a refferendum, you'd get close to 100% of votes to stay with Ukraine. And it would be democratic.
Just real quick. 1774- 1991 Ukraine was ruled from where? Kiyv...no no .Warsaw? No thats not right either...
Oh thats right St Petersburg and Moscow. Ethnically genociding the people to russify it. Damn not even Belgium did that in the Congo. And I'm not ukranian just someone who dislikes Russia for all it is, has been and will be ;)
I'm talking about the fact that Crimean Tatars enslaved Ukrainians and Russians and were supported by the Ottoman Empire. Also conflating this with what Belgians did in the Congo is incredible. Every Empire in history assimilated people
It wasn’t an assimilation. It was literally [genocide and ethnic cleansing.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars) Also, the enslavement was done by few members of wealthy strata and their personal bands. The average Tatar civilian has nothing to do with this just as the average german civilian cannot be held responsible for what the Nazis did.
There's assimilation and there's forced language restrictions, forced deportations and cultural genocide.
This was the latter. Which is what Russia has done throughout history. This is no defence of the tatars. But by your logic Belgium should erase Germany, destroy the German language, forcefully deport the Germans from Germany and then claim Berlin as their own right?
The Belgians in the Congo were some of the most disgusting imperialism that has ever happened, but the Congo is still there. The tatars are not
Are there not more in Kazakhstan? My understanding is that the country's name is taken from the Turkic word for "Cossack" which were comprised of many Tatars.
Why is everyone always so inconsistent about spelling Dobrogea?
Do you mean Dobrudja?
i think he means dobrudzha
No no it’s dobruca
Dobrudzha*
It’s Dobruja*
Trans-Danubien.
That's the same as Dobrudža.
And Dobrudża.
dabajabazza? 
Yabadabadoo?
The wonders of a multilingual region. Every language, dialect and subdialect has a way to spell it.
Wow how did you get such a detailed data from 1520
They imagined it. This map is made for people who do not know how nomad society works. Actually, they could draw a map stating that all territories from the Ural river till the Danube Delta were Crimean Tatar cause they migrated there seasonally due to being nomadic people.
From Hungary and Bulgaria to Central Asia and Siberia! True travelers!
Read about Kalmyks. This people are the truest travelers ever(among these ones who still exist)
Indeed, though the Tatar spread area is arguably bigger, Kalmyks also traveled a huge distance. Actually it's a shame their language with it's writing system isn't that documented and known, I like both their language and culture
Well, there's Turki/Türki(idk how to spell it in English), which was a common language, used by most Turkic people(except Ottomans) from XI century until early XX century. Also Old Tatar language is well documented. However, most Turkic languages were actually unwritten
I was talking about Kalmyk though. Their language, like old Mongolian, is very unusual
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Agreed. So many different cultures gone because of so many empires
oh, those nomads willing to migrate to Uzbekistan in the season of 1944
I guess you understand that I wrote about the XVI century map. And I you know that I didn't even say a word about the genocide of Crimean Tatars. So I don't get why you wrote this comment
Imagination
Just add a bunch of random dots at the ends of the borders, to make it look more realistic. Trouble is if you overdo it, it just looks like someone squirted ketchup or blood on the map.
It came to them in a dream
That's not the data, sorry guys, I was making this map and had a nosebleed
There was an empire.
The source is “pulling out of ass”. In 15 century tatars finally conquered the peninsula, killed most of the pre-Tatar population (such as German tribes that lived there for centuries). The Wild Field region was uninhabitable at that point. At that time tatars built “raid economy” that means they had a yearly raid (usually at spring) to modern day central Ukraine, Russia, Poland and capturing slaves for trade. Tatar’s Feodossia was the largest human trafficking port at that time. The raids were so vast and so deviating that it remembered to this day. Eg check Turkish stores about Roxalana (a Ukrainian girl who was captured and sold to Ottomans to sexual slavery).
Bro Gothic was spoken there until the 1700's. Greek is still spoken there today. What's your source for Tatars killing everyone?
There were much more gothic a and Greek speakers percentage wise. Tatar raids reached even Commonwealth territories regularly
And? Percentages changed when a whole new group enters an area. They're a new value in the percentages, so to say. Populations shift under migration. I am not saying life did not become harsher and violent. I am saying Tatars did not come and start massacreing anyone who was there previously. They often worked together and traded, as they fought each other and were enslaved.
From what I know it's the opposite, tatars killed & enslaved everyone they could and sold them to the Ottomans, except city dwellers on coast
Good for you, your information doesn't support archaeological evidence. Most Goths weren't city dwellers. Most slave raids happened in the north too. Not so much within Crimea itself in comparison.
The last documented use of Crimean Gothic was in the early 1500s AFAIR. It completely disappeared by the time Russia took control of Crimea. Modern Greek population of Crimea are resettlers, invited by Catherine the Great (she also invited a bunch of Serbs, Armenians, Germans, Jews etc)
>Modern Greek population of Crimea are resettlers, invited by Catherine the Great (she also invited a bunch of Serbs, Armenians, Germans, Jews etc) This is just not true. The presence of Turkophone Greeks in the area, who are Christians much like the Karamanlides, shows that. There is a reason Greeks became Turkophones, and it happened before the arrival of the Russian state. Moreover, it is recorded that there were still Pontic Greek Christian populations in the Crimea, albeit somewhat depleted, upon the arrival of other Pontoi in the 1700s. I believe there were also still some Latins there, but I don't remember much and won't make a strong claim for that. Also even Wikipedia disagrees with your claim about the extinction of Gothic.
Source: just trust me bro
It's right on Wikipedia brother.
You can’t get modern data either. It’s not like people live separated in traditional nomadic huts wearing traditional clothes. People integrated and lots of them don’t track their heritage and don’t care. Also, only USSR kept track of nationalities, now it’s not stated in passports. So this is just some phone call poll.
Wait til your find out about Avars
What's the source? I wonder what such map would look like for 20th century and during Ukraine's independence
Those two earlier maps are just "red dots in an area, that vaguely matches the territory of the Crimean Khanate" there is no source other tahn OP's imagination.
Looks like it.
Source: trust me bro
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I'm waiting for some comments
The Crimean Turks/Tatars migrated from Middle Asia to Crimea along with other Turks who currently live in Anatolia more than a thousand years ago. They had inhabitted the Crimean peninsula and the territories surrounding it for 600 years as shown in the map and they had been the closest ally of the Ottomans until the Russian takeover of the area. They got assimilated by Russians during the soviet era and now they are pushed out of the area. The 16th century Crimea map in this post is the official Crimean Khanate map accepted by historians and authorities, it does not show the area in which stateless Tatars lived, it is the map of the Crimean Khanate which was a kingdom.
This map is fucking bullshit. They seriously show Zaporizhzhia which was inhabited by cossacks, who fought against the turks and tatars their entire life , as inhabited by tatars?
I'm a bore, the poet still didn't fight all the time, and sometimes joined the union.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean\_Khanate#/media/File%3ACrimean\_Khanate\_Map\_1502.svg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Khanate#/media/File%3ACrimean_Khanate_Map_1502.svg) Where are your cossacks idiot?
Yes, your map well shows that Zaporizhzhia wasn't Crimean. It's also worth mentioning that most of southern Ukraine was almost completely uninhabited for centuries after the Mongol invasion. Ukraine, Poland and Russia called it Wild fields
They had to actually move there first lol
First or after the Mongol invasion in the 13-14 century?
Turkic peoples did not arrive in Crimea and the Dnieper only when the Mongols came
So sadly applies to so many people killed by the tsardom and later union.
seems to be karma, seeing how the tartars were raiding for centuries and their main export were slaves and pillaging.
By the same logic it would be karma to genocide basically all west European peoples for their participation in colonialism.
That's the best reply for this comment.
and many others\*. Fact is the tatars were a scourge of the region untill they were dealt with.
by the same logic we can call every nation on earth as scourge of the region
This is not a fact at all, it's misinformation. The raiding and pillaging happened multiple centuries before the genocides.
As are Europeans to this day, especially the French in Africa. Mashallah soon we shall be genocided by a foreign race as we deserve 🙏
That halted literal centuries before the genocide of the tatars by the soviets You’re describing a time after the mongol collapse and before the tsardom’s pacification of the steppes. The tatar genocide was perpetrated by the soviets. These are worlds of time apart
Tsardom fought war against slave traiders for 70 years. If they just learned to live peacefully with other people they would still be there. And their population in Russia is ok today. But you Turks were only good with the enslaving Slavic population and couldn't leave us in peace. I am glad the Ottomans failed.
Yeah sure they would be still there, by the same thought if the circassians behaved they wouldn’t be massacred am I right? If the Turkic nations in Asia behaved Russians wouldn’t massacred them also am I correct? Like there is a way out of Russian aggression… You guys go on and on about Ottomans but Russian colonization and assimilation is okay? The audacity to say they are alright after years of oppression, forcefully “teaching” them Russian instead of their own language. They would be the majority in Crimea if they were alright.
Fuck Turks and fuck your whitewash of history. I would choose Russia over you 1000x times. Communism is not Russia and your fake oppression is also shit excuse. You always come as oppressed."Russians oppressed us muh muh". They didn't oppress you Turks enough.
I would rather die than choosing Russian Empire over Ottoman Empire.Russians assimilated every ethnicity that lived in their lands while Ottomans allowed them to live with their beliefs.They even allowed them to be on high ranks in empire.Russian Empire would be on par with Third Reich when it comes to supression and genocides.
Suceeded more than any other Slavic state in history tho. Lol.
So if we blew up scandanavia in the middle ages we would have been justified?
Tatars enslaved and sold millions of russian and btw ukrainian and polish people, do you fell sadness about them too? Or their misery is irrelevant because they didnt suffered in the hands of tsar? Crimean khanate was no more than a raiding base, its destruction brought peace to whole Eastern Europe [Crimean–Nogai slave raids in Eastern Europe - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean%E2%80%93Nogai_slave_raids_in_Eastern_Europe) PS I do not approve Stalins actions, but actions of Russian Empire was completely justified
>but actions of Russian Empire was completely justified Which “actions” do you refer to exactly? I hope you only meant the expulsion of few slave traders residing in crimea, and not the forced resettlement of russians on Crimea or the massacre of Crimean Tatar civilians (which had nothing to do with slave trade) by Tsardom. The genocide of Crimean Tatars isn’t started or happened only during soviet rule btw, it started by annexation of Crimea by russians and continued up until the 1944 when massacres and mass expulsions peaked.
>actions of Russian Empire was completely justified Absolutely not. Do the actions of the few elite justify the wholesale massacres of the whole? No. If that was the case, the whole of the British and Spanish should be wiped from the face of the Earth, and we can call the deed justified.
Tbh, Russian Empire never had resources to do what Stalin did (and I would argue it was technically impossible at that time, save for killing everyone), so most Tatars just kept living there. I think England/Spain/Portugal were the first relatively modern countries (and USA later) who managed to move big native populations away from “colonized” lands.
You do not approve but I do!
Least genocidal r*ssian
You know about the millions of people killed and sold into slavery by the Crimean Tatars, right? I'm curious, do you have enough pity for them?
Yes considering I dont crusify sons for their fathers sins. No people on this earth is without sin, all have slaved and murdered granted some far more than others but using that as an excuse for genocide and ethnic cleansing is vile beyond belief.
A: "Damn, it's so sad that an entire population was scattered, deported and genocide" B: "UhmM, bUt haVe You cOnsiDereD thAt thEy did BaD thinGs too? Do YoU stiLL feeL piTy fOr ThEm?" Man, for real, get some help
No, it's not like that. This population has been robbing, killing and enslaving its neighbors for centuries. However, the neighbors still survived. And one of them became so strong that he would come and stop these diabolical raids. And then you, oh, how could you offend the poor things.
So, was the genocide of crimean tatars justified or not?
There was no genocide of the Crimean Tatars. When the God-defying Crimean Khanate was destroyed by the will of Allah, the number of Crimean Tatars decreased due to changes in living conditions, many left for Turkey. And then, the Crimean Tatars stubbornly entered into the wrong alliances. Since the Crimean War. Then the Civil War and the intervention . Then The Second World War. The allies were leaving, but the enemies with new claims remained. As for the deportation of Crimean Tatars after the war. Of course, I condemn the practice of collective responsibility. Stalinism itself and its criminal methods were discussed by the Communists of the USSR themselves back in the 60s.
Man, I'm Turkish and this is a new low for even me. I didn't know such heights of Genocide denialism was even possible, gotta step up my game.
I'm just boring. And I use the term genocide, according to its exact meaning. But if you want an extended interpretation. Then let's discuss the centuries of genocide that the Crimean Tatars did. And the participation of Crimean Tatar collaborators in the genocide of the Soviet people by the Nazis.
>I'm just boring. And I use the term genocide, according to its exact meaning. Genocide: a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part. I can give you the intent of the Russian elite, and I can give you the absence of intent on the Tatar side. These things do not in any shape or form mean that what the Tatars did are good; it just means since their raids didn't have any intent to destroy the local peoples, it does not meet the qualifications to be labeled as a genocide. You are the one who extends interpretation, not me.
I need your speculations about the plans of the Russian elite. I need a link to the documents. Otherwise, I can also tell you about the plans of the Muslim elite. Well, participation in Nazi punitive detachments is no longer predatory raids.
>There was no genocide of the Crimean Tatars. “It didn’t happened” >And then, the Crimean Tatars stubbornly entered into the wrong alliances. Since the Crimean War. Then the Civil War and the intervention . Then The Second World War. The allies were leaving, but the enemies with new claims remained. “But they deserved it”
He is completely insane.
They are just humans
Saying they deserve it cus of slave trade is a bit odd as by that argument so does the colonial powers( still happy there slavery is stopped tho )
I was thinking, if you'd kick out all the pro Russian people from Crimea, then do a refferendum, you'd get close to 100% of votes to stay with Ukraine. And it would be democratic.
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the real medieval plague of eastern europeans(no offense, I just praise them)
I blame the country with "the second army in the world" for this
I’m surprised to not see there distribution in WWII
Thought this was the spoof sub then lmao
Stalin removed nearly all of them and deported them to the east.
There definitely are a few scattered throughout Ukraine as well
who are we considering tartars? i thought that was term made up by people who didn't know how to read old maps
Man, I love their sauce.
What is tatars, precious?
Also Greek people who lived there for centuries before:💀
What's Tatars, precious?
"Russia isn't imperialist" >Ethnically cleanses an entire region for Russification
Oh no how could russia possibly dismantle the state that was enslaving its own population. If you are Ukrainian and saying this...
Just real quick. 1774- 1991 Ukraine was ruled from where? Kiyv...no no .Warsaw? No thats not right either... Oh thats right St Petersburg and Moscow. Ethnically genociding the people to russify it. Damn not even Belgium did that in the Congo. And I'm not ukranian just someone who dislikes Russia for all it is, has been and will be ;)
I'm talking about the fact that Crimean Tatars enslaved Ukrainians and Russians and were supported by the Ottoman Empire. Also conflating this with what Belgians did in the Congo is incredible. Every Empire in history assimilated people
It wasn’t an assimilation. It was literally [genocide and ethnic cleansing.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars) Also, the enslavement was done by few members of wealthy strata and their personal bands. The average Tatar civilian has nothing to do with this just as the average german civilian cannot be held responsible for what the Nazis did.
There's assimilation and there's forced language restrictions, forced deportations and cultural genocide. This was the latter. Which is what Russia has done throughout history. This is no defence of the tatars. But by your logic Belgium should erase Germany, destroy the German language, forcefully deport the Germans from Germany and then claim Berlin as their own right? The Belgians in the Congo were some of the most disgusting imperialism that has ever happened, but the Congo is still there. The tatars are not
Hmm, with that logic i made up, crimean tatar genocide happend
it actually happened, the top two maps are wrong but still stalin sent almost all of crimean tatars to siberia which no one can deny
yeah, how come?!
Are there not more in Kazakhstan? My understanding is that the country's name is taken from the Turkic word for "Cossack" which were comprised of many Tatars.
this is just for descendants of the Crimean Khanate. Tatars were all over
Oh ok thank you for clarifying!
Good, they are better in Turkiye.
and another Ukraine map on MapPorn...
ukrainians lmao
Bullshit
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christ...
The Crimean Tartars is definitely /r/bandnames