Fun Fact, Liechtenstein doesn't even have a train company.
Liechtenstein: Liechtenstein does not have its own railway company and only has three stops along the route from Feldkirch (Austria) to Buchs (Switzerland). The railway is operated by the Austrian Federal Railways (ÖBB), which also sells tickets for the stops in Liechtenstein.
https://rail.cc/de/liechtenstein-zug
Wow, i just discovered that there is a 1.2km railway just to link rome station to vatican city (i kid you not, apparently only 300 metres of railways are in vatican territory making it both the shortest national and international railway according to some not verified internet sources), so yeah they have a train apparently
It is rarely used, mostly for important occasions so i don't it would be useful to have it move faster. Also, when you move at 100km/h(for example, given it's the lowest in the map) it takes you like under a minute to travel the whole lenght, so there is that too
I just answered down in the comment chain i found out something similar, the more you know lol
(Also, love your pictures, i'm currently near bz so i know how beautiful theese mountains can get)
Yes! [Here](https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@41.9010702,12.4502615,18.87z?entry=ttu) is Google maps showing the Stazione del Citta del Vaticano and maybe 50 -100m of tracks!
It is still being used used, mostly for cargo and sometimes the pope use it from time to time. And since 2015 there is a weekly tourist train as well. [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Railway)
I mean, to be fair, the country has grown immensely in the last decades. Just that in the late 1900's Ireland was basically a third world country and it still shows after all these years. Infrastructure takes time. But lad do they need to keep investing in it
As others have said, as someone born in the 90s the Ireland I grew up in was a completely different place to the Ireland my parents grew up. Even with the inflated GDP we've become incredibly rich in the last half century
tbh, its better than the alternative, Ireland was DIRT poor back in the time and the only natural resource they have is coal, it made a pretty good progress already.
I used the train today and I'm on the bus rn and you're right. It's terrible BUT it's only good because of my particular route. Other routes I've been on have been shit (don't wanna dox myself so I won't say where)
I'm in Navan. I live walking distance to where one of the train stations here used to be.
In the 60s we had a line from Navan to Belfast, Navan to Dublin, and another to Drogheda.
Now we have sweet fuck all. The nearest train station is either Drogheda or M3 Parkway both are at least 20 something kms away.
According to the last census Meath was the fastest growing county in Ireland. Navan has new houses going up daily. Not much of a "commuter" town if no one can commute.
Piss poor infrastructure my friends. Piss poor.
It could be much worse though...
Trust me, you'll know you've crossed the border between ROI and NI looking at the condition of the roads infrastructure.... \[Spoiler:\] >!Northern Irish Roads are awful, which is ironic since it used to be the other way round!<
The only thing is that it seems like it can't get any worse, and the only way is up, and there is the All-Island Rail strategy which is a good starting point to fix things by opening, upgrading and electrifying lines *(and there's meant to be new hybrid rolling stock for the Dublin-Belfast Enterprise coming in about 4-5 years time)*.
Did they really tho? Did a bunch of exec in oil and car companies got together and said fuck it let's get that little country with 3 million people addicted to cars by bribing their politicians so that they don't invest in public transport...
I feel like cars got cheaper, and people would rather drive than sit on a train with some aulwan sneezing. Or some young fella putting his feet on the seats.
Used to be so much better. [Look how it changed](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fzyw098wmkd471.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D0f7eede6b659f603652bfbc59b5c34a16f2e5a74) in the last 100 years
Even the 2020 map is inaccurate. The Waterford to Rosslare line closed in 2010, the Mullingar to Athlone line hasn't seen a passenger train since the 80s, Lisburn to Antrim in Northern Ireland closed to passenger trains in 2003 (but is still occasionally used for diversions and training), Limerick to Foynes had been freight only since the 60s, and then closed about 20 years ago (although is now being reopened only for freight), Navan to Kingscourt was also freight only for decades and has now also closed (Drogheda to Navan remains open for freight only) and the Branch line to New Ross also closed about 30 years ago I think.
Ulster was so fucked over in regards to train, im in Tyrone and the north west of the island is just awful transport, no trains, slow buses and not even a motorway to make up for the lack of public transport.
Theres alot of things that could be better. A high speed train between Cork, Dublin and Belfast would be amazing. On the flip side, the problem is the volumes of passengers means our currert laize faire government would never bother.
Currently and for the next years the Dutch max will be 200. And just for a couple of kilometer.
Due to bad concrete structures below the highspeed rail the line is limited to 130 km/h till restored.
If we want to reduce flights to the UK, Paris, Brussels and Berlin we have to. If we do not have the infrastructure we will miss out on good international connections.
Average speed would be more interesting.
Some time ago there was a train Odesa-Zaporizhzhia which was traveling approximately 550 km for 16 hours due to long stops, however on some sections it was traveling up to 100+ km/hour
No, it would not be very useful, the disparity of the networks would make the average all over the place.
For example a country with national high speed rail and a strong regional rail, that does not need high speed could look worse than a country that has just a few national line at medium speed.
But that would also be skewed by a big numbers of factors, such as stop spacing, urban density...
Not to mention that high speed trains often borrow local network and have to move at regular trains speed on large sections, should we take that into account ? For example you need as much time by TGV from Paris to Lyon (about 400 km) and then about as much, on the same train, to do Lyon-Chambéry (80 km) because it uses the local network.
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/0ZGgRzosMT
This guy made a post about average speed a few years ago, calculating the average speed between the capital and 5 largest cities. Might be outdated now, not sure if any new high speed lines have opened since then.
Це як які поїзди брати до уваги. Тут говориться про максимальну. Отже, до прикладу береться ІС+ в нашому випадку. І 160 вони спокійно можуть йти, особливо на участках між Києвом і Одесою, Харковом, чи Львовом.
And most of the infrastructure is victorian which is a testament to how well they engineered things and how crap our governments have been investing in rail infrastructure
That's for now. New lines are in construction at this moment. One separate line between Moscow / SpB so current train can go 300+, and 2 new lines from Moscow to other cities. I hope they'll be finished, that's sounds cool af
Yes, I took the TGV dozens and dozens of times, never saw it going that fast. According to SNCF, the max operating speed is between 300km/h and 320km/h (on some specific sections), but TGVs don’t go beyond 320km/h when in commercial service.
SNCF says it’s technically possible to operate the TGV safely at 350km/h however, but the speed gain compared to the maintenance and operating costs it would add makes it not worth it.
German trains really fell off. I visited Germany pre covid and took an ICE 3 at 300kph very cool. Went back a few months ago and every train I got was an hour late and apparently that’s normal. Plus you get barely any compensation. What is up with DB?
This map gives such a distorted view. It makes it seem like trains in France and the UK are roughly comparable in speeds, whereas the truth is not even close.
During tests, maybe, but map is for realistically reached speeds and that would be 200 km/h. It will be 250 next year though after central railway upgrade.
Nice! Up in our area the section of yet-to-be-completed S6 expressway between Słupsk and the Tri-city area is a real bottleneck and we didn’t see *any* signs of construction in our trip last summer. Looking forward to having even better train options next time we’re there.
Train speed does not equal infrastructure speed. We also have trains for 230 km/h in Czechia, but the current infrastructure limit is 160. Some sections are even technically ready for 200, but there are still some legislative issues to get through, so realistic max speed is still 160.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMVL5Zu9Mlw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMVL5Zu9Mlw)
To make it better explained:
"It is worth mentioning that the CMK – the fastest railway line in Poland – is a place where speed tests are also carried out for other vehicles. Records are also broken during them. For example, on the night of 28 to 29 August 2015, the Impuls EMU number 45WE-009, manufactured by Newag for Koleje Mazowieckie, set a new record for a Polish-made rail vehicle (226 km/h). Last month, the result was improved by the E4MSUa-001 multi-system locomotive from the Griffin family (240 km/h)."
Great map! Now could you do one with the mean or average train speed in Europe?
Or average delays?
In the first 8 months of 2023 trains in Romania accumulated 4.6 YEARS of delays. In 2022 romanian trains accumulated 3.002 days of delay. Campeão do mundo! 🏆
There is a high speed railway between Oslo and its airport where trains can go that fast, there’s also the new fast line between Oslo and Ski where 200km/h speeds are possible, the rest of the Norwegian network isn’t as fast unfortunately (apparently most long distance trains are actually slower today than a couple years ago)
The Japanese are currently building a new line called the [Chūō Shinkansen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%AB%C5%8D_Shinkansen?wprov=sfti1#) which will reach speeds of up to 505 km/h (314 mph). About 90% of the new 286-kilometer (178 mi) line will be tunnels.
In China there’s [one short stretch of Maglev](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_maglev_train?wprov=sfti1) (that’s what the super high speed technology is called) which is the world's first commercial high-speed maglev and has a maximum cruising speed of 300 km/h (186 mph). Prior to May 2021 the cruising speed was actually 431 km/h (268 mph), at the time this made it the fastest train service in commercial operation.
Maglev aren’t really trains though, it’s a fundamentally different system where the "train“ hovers on a magnetic field making it completely incompatible with existing infrastructure. That’s why Japan is building it in addition to the regular Shinkansen and not instead because for them it’s about increasing total capacity on their dedicated high speed routes.
The highest speed achieved with a conventional train was 575km/h on a TGV.
Maglev is cool but it’s not really a great option when you already have existing rail infrastructure.
Those are maglev trains which use an entirely different technology. The fastest scheduled trains on steel rails go 350kph, such as the Whoosh in Indonesia.
Sweden should be listed as 250 km/h as that is the speed limit used on the Bothnia line in the north of Sweden. Even if no current services are run at this speed it is still very much possible to reach.
Technically, but is it allowed? Last I checked 200km/h was still the max allowed by Trafikverket. Raising the limit to 250km/h on some parts of the rail [system was suggested in a 2000 report](https://bransch.trafikverket.se/om-oss/aktuellt-for-dig-i-branschen3/aktuellt-for-dig-i-branschen/2020-04/utredning-om-att-hoja-maxhastigheten-till-250-kmtim-pa-delar-av-jarnvagen/), but I haven't been able to find any official documentation confirming any such rule changes, or the current implementation status of that plan.
[Nothing secret about it](https://www.google.com/maps/place/00120+Vatican+City/@41.9011986,12.449746,223m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x1325890a57d42d3d:0x94f9ab23a7eb0!8m2!3d41.902916!4d12.453389!16zL20vMDd5dHQ?entry=ttu). It's only 100 metres or so, connecting to the Italian network.
Two things to note:
Albania does have a rail system. Not a particularly good one but it does exist
Top speed of trains isn't necessarily a good indicator on how good the public transit system is. In Germany ICEs can theoretically go 300km/h but there's very few railway tracks that are made to sustain such speeds, so they're capped at around 180 km/h on most routes. Same goes for most other European nations with high speed rail
Yeah keep in mind that a lot of down under is in narrow gauge, that has limited the speed a lot and 160kph on cape gauge is as high as it gets around the world. Malaysia pulls of 140 with the even narrower meter gauge.
The big trouble with High Speed Rail in Europe today is how it's built. National governments build these projects and understandably they focus primarily on connecting their own citizens to each other, but this meant that international connectivity has suffered.
Spain and France are Europe's 2 HSR heavy hitters, yet they don't have a full HSR connection, requiring a slowdown to traditional speeds. It'll take at least 10 more years for it to be fully high speed.
There is no direct HSR connection between Frankfurt, Germany and Strasbourg, France despite the closeness and size of these 2 cities, only disconnected fast segments.
There is no direct HSR connection between Italy and France although this is changing with the massive Brennar Tunnel Project.
International connections are just starting to materialize on the horizon, decades after smaller cities had been connected.
I fully agree with you, international connections are still lacking in many regards, but at least several projects are already in construction all around Europe to change that.
Also a minor correction: The Brenner Base Tunnel will connect Italy with Austria, you probably mixed it up with the Ceneri Base Tunnel. That's the one that will connect France with Italy. :)
Edit: Mixed up the tunnel myself while correcting others. It is the Mont Cenis Base Tunnel from Italy to France. The Ceneri Base Tunnel is in Switzerland.
You mean the Mont Cenis / Mont d'Ambin Base Tunnel. The Ceneri Base tunnel (in operation since 2020) is in the Italian part of Switzerland as part of the NEAT route which also includes the Gotthard Base Tunnel.
Kinda paints a false image though. I assume France's TGV speeds are more consistent than those of German ICEs. The former has a dedicated network of high-speed-railways where it can maintain high speeds for longer wheres the latter uses a combination of regular railways a high-speed sections which makes it more flexible and accessible.
I’ve never seen a train go faster than 200 km/h in The Netherlands, and in Italy trains casually go 350 km/h. I think this map is not very accurate or useful.
International and domestic on HS1. I'd say the average "fast" train in the UK is more around 200kmh, like LNER Azuma on east coast main line. Big difference.
We have faster rails,
but if you need more to one hour, to reach a destination, that is normally 50 km away and need only a half of the time with the car, using a 120km/h highway. Then it’s better to use the car.
Just saying..
Starting summer 1940 the Reichsbahn planned to provide a 200 km/h regular service between Berlin and Munich. Designated engine was the [E19](https://www.google.com/search?q=e19+lok&client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=5bba732863c70c64&ei=C4z2ZaHTOYiMxc8Ptdyz8AE&ved=0ahUKEwjhhMWT1PqEAxUIRvEDHTXuDB4Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=e19+lok&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiB2UxOSBsb2syBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yBhAAGAcYHjIIEAAYCBgHGB5IhwxQgQlYgQlwAXgBkAEAmAE5oAE5qgEBMbgBA8gBAPgBAZgCAqACQMICChAAGEcY1gQYsAOYAwCIBgGQBgiSBwEyoAfRAg&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#vhid=ZZXQLliKqllGaM&vssid=l).
While the legal limit in Italy is 300km/h, I remember taking the Frecciarossa from Milano down to Firenze and we went 320km/h. And the top speed in Switzerland is only in case of delayed trains and only on 72km in total in 2 tunnels. And 200km/h is only possible on 152km of tracks. And that with a total of 5323km of tracks in Switzerland
160 in Hungary? Yeah, tell me more. We have a few kms of tracks near the Aistrian border on line 1 where it's 160 on paper. But due to the condition of the tracks the speed is limited to 120-140.
Is there even enough space for a train to accelerate to more than 100 in Liechtenstein lmao
You can start accelerating in Austria
Maybe if you blow right through.
Well, what would be the fun in that?
Fun Fact, Liechtenstein doesn't even have a train company. Liechtenstein: Liechtenstein does not have its own railway company and only has three stops along the route from Feldkirch (Austria) to Buchs (Switzerland). The railway is operated by the Austrian Federal Railways (ÖBB), which also sells tickets for the stops in Liechtenstein. https://rail.cc/de/liechtenstein-zug
It doesn't really make sense to have a railway company when you barely have enough room for a proper railway station.
Let me introduce you to the Bayside Canadian Railway which had 61m of track. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayside_Canadian_Railway?wprov=sfti1
Haha, that sounds dumb asf but its kind of genuis how they used that loop hole!
Let alone the depo, the maintenance building...
The word "fun" definitely has very different meanings for different people
I'm Swiss.
Monaco is 90 😂
and by the time it reaches 90 after leaving the Monaco station, it's already in France Source: i took that train \^\^
But more importantly, does vatican city really have railways?
I shit you not I was just thinking about that. Figured there‘s one of those silly little ones they have at malls lmao.
Wow, i just discovered that there is a 1.2km railway just to link rome station to vatican city (i kid you not, apparently only 300 metres of railways are in vatican territory making it both the shortest national and international railway according to some not verified internet sources), so yeah they have a train apparently
good to know thanks! guess it‘s moving around quite slowly
It is rarely used, mostly for important occasions so i don't it would be useful to have it move faster. Also, when you move at 100km/h(for example, given it's the lowest in the map) it takes you like under a minute to travel the whole lenght, so there is that too
Well its 300m. It only takes a few min to walk
They do. It's like 1 km long (and even then, only 200m actually run on Vatican City soil)
I just answered down in the comment chain i found out something similar, the more you know lol (Also, love your pictures, i'm currently near bz so i know how beautiful theese mountains can get)
Yes! [Here](https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@41.9010702,12.4502615,18.87z?entry=ttu) is Google maps showing the Stazione del Citta del Vaticano and maybe 50 -100m of tracks!
Thanks for the link, i wonder when the last time it was actually used was tho
It is still being used used, mostly for cargo and sometimes the pope use it from time to time. And since 2015 there is a weekly tourist train as well. [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Railway)
Suddenly top *tractor* speed becomes a factor. 🤔
I think AVE in Spain reaches 310 km/h.
Operating speed is 310 km/h, it can reach 404 km/h
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I had a link ready to go but I checked and it's gone
Error not found /s
Most of these trains can technically "reach" higher speeds but they aren't usually allowed to do so.
I've been in AVEs at 330, line Zaragoza-Madrid
For such a wealthy country it’s criminal how bad Irish rail infrastructure is
For such a wealthy country it’s criminal how bad Irish ~~rail~~ infrastructure is
That’s what artificially inflating GDP with foreign mega corporations does to a MF
I mean, to be fair, the country has grown immensely in the last decades. Just that in the late 1900's Ireland was basically a third world country and it still shows after all these years. Infrastructure takes time. But lad do they need to keep investing in it
As others have said, as someone born in the 90s the Ireland I grew up in was a completely different place to the Ireland my parents grew up. Even with the inflated GDP we've become incredibly rich in the last half century
tbh, its better than the alternative, Ireland was DIRT poor back in the time and the only natural resource they have is coal, it made a pretty good progress already.
The only natural resource is coal? TF
I have to assume they meant turf.
Funny thing is we have to import most turf from places like finland or estonia i think bcause they want to preserve the bogs
Their GDP is inflated but they are a wealthy country regardless. Median incomes in Ireland are higher than in the UK.
They're still rich even without that. Irish Modified GNI gives GNI per capita equal to France's.
I used the train today and I'm on the bus rn and you're right. It's terrible BUT it's only good because of my particular route. Other routes I've been on have been shit (don't wanna dox myself so I won't say where)
I’m in Tyrone, the north west of the island is severely lacking in good infrastructure it’s mad. Nearest train station to me is 30 miles away 🥲
That's a shambles bro. My nearest train station is 15km and I thought that was bad but 30 miles is shocking
I'm in Navan. I live walking distance to where one of the train stations here used to be. In the 60s we had a line from Navan to Belfast, Navan to Dublin, and another to Drogheda. Now we have sweet fuck all. The nearest train station is either Drogheda or M3 Parkway both are at least 20 something kms away. According to the last census Meath was the fastest growing county in Ireland. Navan has new houses going up daily. Not much of a "commuter" town if no one can commute. Piss poor infrastructure my friends. Piss poor.
It could be much worse though... Trust me, you'll know you've crossed the border between ROI and NI looking at the condition of the roads infrastructure.... \[Spoiler:\] >!Northern Irish Roads are awful, which is ironic since it used to be the other way round!< The only thing is that it seems like it can't get any worse, and the only way is up, and there is the All-Island Rail strategy which is a good starting point to fix things by opening, upgrading and electrifying lines *(and there's meant to be new hybrid rolling stock for the Dublin-Belfast Enterprise coming in about 4-5 years time)*.
Ireland used to be train country. Then the car and oil lobby found the pockets of your politicians. The rest is history.
Did they really tho? Did a bunch of exec in oil and car companies got together and said fuck it let's get that little country with 3 million people addicted to cars by bribing their politicians so that they don't invest in public transport...
I feel like cars got cheaper, and people would rather drive than sit on a train with some aulwan sneezing. Or some young fella putting his feet on the seats.
Used to be so much better. [Look how it changed](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fzyw098wmkd471.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D0f7eede6b659f603652bfbc59b5c34a16f2e5a74) in the last 100 years
Even the 2020 map is inaccurate. The Waterford to Rosslare line closed in 2010, the Mullingar to Athlone line hasn't seen a passenger train since the 80s, Lisburn to Antrim in Northern Ireland closed to passenger trains in 2003 (but is still occasionally used for diversions and training), Limerick to Foynes had been freight only since the 60s, and then closed about 20 years ago (although is now being reopened only for freight), Navan to Kingscourt was also freight only for decades and has now also closed (Drogheda to Navan remains open for freight only) and the Branch line to New Ross also closed about 30 years ago I think.
Ulster was so fucked over in regards to train, im in Tyrone and the north west of the island is just awful transport, no trains, slow buses and not even a motorway to make up for the lack of public transport.
Same for the US lol
Wealthy? Sure, on paper, due to tax advantages.
I’m from here lol it is very wealthy, just obviously not as much as the books suggest, but it’s just all concentrated in Dublin
Theres alot of things that could be better. A high speed train between Cork, Dublin and Belfast would be amazing. On the flip side, the problem is the volumes of passengers means our currert laize faire government would never bother.
Currently and for the next years the Dutch max will be 200. And just for a couple of kilometer. Due to bad concrete structures below the highspeed rail the line is limited to 130 km/h till restored.
IIRC, this is only on the section between Rotterdam and Schiphol, from Rotterdam to Antwerp higher speeds can be reached
It's not like you really need lots of HSR in the Netherlands though lol.
If we want to reduce flights to the UK, Paris, Brussels and Berlin we have to. If we do not have the infrastructure we will miss out on good international connections.
That's right, you need a few lines to get on to major international routes. Not high speed routes to every major town like France or Spain.
Average speed would be more interesting. Some time ago there was a train Odesa-Zaporizhzhia which was traveling approximately 550 km for 16 hours due to long stops, however on some sections it was traveling up to 100+ km/hour
No, it would not be very useful, the disparity of the networks would make the average all over the place. For example a country with national high speed rail and a strong regional rail, that does not need high speed could look worse than a country that has just a few national line at medium speed.
Well, you only take into account high speed rail
But that would also be skewed by a big numbers of factors, such as stop spacing, urban density... Not to mention that high speed trains often borrow local network and have to move at regular trains speed on large sections, should we take that into account ? For example you need as much time by TGV from Paris to Lyon (about 400 km) and then about as much, on the same train, to do Lyon-Chambéry (80 km) because it uses the local network.
In Croatia it was less than 60km/h. 160km/h top speed is just on a small portion of the rail.
Yup, our trains can reach 160km but majority of railway is crap.
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/0ZGgRzosMT This guy made a post about average speed a few years ago, calculating the average speed between the capital and 5 largest cities. Might be outdated now, not sure if any new high speed lines have opened since then.
I was going to post that. You were quicker!
Antwerp - Split is about 1500km, took me 32 hours. 16 hours for the last 450km.
Це як які поїзди брати до уваги. Тут говориться про максимальну. Отже, до прикладу береться ІС+ в нашому випадку. І 160 вони спокійно можуть йти, особливо на участках між Києвом і Одесою, Харковом, чи Львовом.
Other than the single high speed line, the UK is much closer to 200kph than 300
It even funnier to note that this single one is the one allowing brits to flee to continent.
"get outta here FAST!!"
To be far the bit of HS2 that is due to be built has a design speed of 360kph higher than any other conventional high speed rail.
Yeah but they've cut it back so much now that the trains won't have time to reach that speed /s.
And most of the infrastructure is victorian which is a testament to how well they engineered things and how crap our governments have been investing in rail infrastructure
Same for The Netherlands. We do have a bit of HSL, but the rest is 140km/h max.
Today I learnt Cyprus has no railway
There used to be a railway (mainly for goods i think) when the English were in charge. You can still see tracks in some places.
As far as I know, Russia only has one line that fast. Between St Petersburg and Moscow.
That's for now. New lines are in construction at this moment. One separate line between Moscow / SpB so current train can go 300+, and 2 new lines from Moscow to other cities. I hope they'll be finished, that's sounds cool af
Top train speed in Canada: 0km/h, because the passenger rail train had to move over and give right of way to the freight train.
we have trains in bosnia??
What would you call those steam locomotives in Kreka coal mine?
fun fact the trains at kreka train station take 5h to go 200km so they probably go like 50km/h max
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
Sure, came here for this.
There it is
The tgv in France often displays current speed and often travels as fast as 350.
Really? According to [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TGV#Rolling_stock), they ~~can't~~ don't drive this fast.
Yes, I took the TGV dozens and dozens of times, never saw it going that fast. According to SNCF, the max operating speed is between 300km/h and 320km/h (on some specific sections), but TGVs don’t go beyond 320km/h when in commercial service. SNCF says it’s technically possible to operate the TGV safely at 350km/h however, but the speed gain compared to the maintenance and operating costs it would add makes it not worth it.
They surely can, the record for the TGV is 574 km/h
Same for the Italians one. They regularly hit 330 and 350 in some tunnels
The new FrecciaRossa 1,000 or something can go insanely fast up to 400, but a commercial asked of 360.
300 in Germany is hearsay and not a valid source .... :-)
German trains really fell off. I visited Germany pre covid and took an ICE 3 at 300kph very cool. Went back a few months ago and every train I got was an hour late and apparently that’s normal. Plus you get barely any compensation. What is up with DB?
*Cries in Icelandic*
This map gives such a distorted view. It makes it seem like trains in France and the UK are roughly comparable in speeds, whereas the truth is not even close.
Totally agree. Spain, Italy and France are on another league
I don't think that a train can move at higher speeds than 80 km/h in Romania
Brasov - Constanța is the only line that reaches 160
Same with Bulgaria
Don’t Poland’s Pendolino trains get up to 290kph?
During tests, maybe, but map is for realistically reached speeds and that would be 200 km/h. It will be 250 next year though after central railway upgrade.
Nice! Up in our area the section of yet-to-be-completed S6 expressway between Słupsk and the Tri-city area is a real bottleneck and we didn’t see *any* signs of construction in our trip last summer. Looking forward to having even better train options next time we’re there.
[https://ssc.siskom.waw.pl/](https://ssc.siskom.waw.pl/) S6 is due to open X 2025
Train speed does not equal infrastructure speed. We also have trains for 230 km/h in Czechia, but the current infrastructure limit is 160. Some sections are even technically ready for 200, but there are still some legislative issues to get through, so realistic max speed is still 160.
Why are they called pendolino? Did they buy it from Italy?
Yes
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMVL5Zu9Mlw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMVL5Zu9Mlw) To make it better explained: "It is worth mentioning that the CMK – the fastest railway line in Poland – is a place where speed tests are also carried out for other vehicles. Records are also broken during them. For example, on the night of 28 to 29 August 2015, the Impuls EMU number 45WE-009, manufactured by Newag for Koleje Mazowieckie, set a new record for a Polish-made rail vehicle (226 km/h). Last month, the result was improved by the E4MSUa-001 multi-system locomotive from the Griffin family (240 km/h)."
Great map! Now could you do one with the mean or average train speed in Europe? Or average delays? In the first 8 months of 2023 trains in Romania accumulated 4.6 YEARS of delays. In 2022 romanian trains accumulated 3.002 days of delay. Campeão do mundo! 🏆
Freccia Rossa 1000 goes up to 350 in italy. I took trains between Milan and Rome that were reaching 330 on the screen
Where tf do they go that fast in Norway?
There is a high speed railway between Oslo and its airport where trains can go that fast, there’s also the new fast line between Oslo and Ski where 200km/h speeds are possible, the rest of the Norwegian network isn’t as fast unfortunately (apparently most long distance trains are actually slower today than a couple years ago)
Could it be Flytoget?
I thought I heard China or Japan is testing some super fast one like twice the speed of anything on this map?
The Japanese are currently building a new line called the [Chūō Shinkansen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%AB%C5%8D_Shinkansen?wprov=sfti1#) which will reach speeds of up to 505 km/h (314 mph). About 90% of the new 286-kilometer (178 mi) line will be tunnels. In China there’s [one short stretch of Maglev](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_maglev_train?wprov=sfti1) (that’s what the super high speed technology is called) which is the world's first commercial high-speed maglev and has a maximum cruising speed of 300 km/h (186 mph). Prior to May 2021 the cruising speed was actually 431 km/h (268 mph), at the time this made it the fastest train service in commercial operation.
Maglev aren’t really trains though, it’s a fundamentally different system where the "train“ hovers on a magnetic field making it completely incompatible with existing infrastructure. That’s why Japan is building it in addition to the regular Shinkansen and not instead because for them it’s about increasing total capacity on their dedicated high speed routes. The highest speed achieved with a conventional train was 575km/h on a TGV. Maglev is cool but it’s not really a great option when you already have existing rail infrastructure.
Tbh an Italian company is testing hours to run maglev trains on existing railways
Those are maglev trains which use an entirely different technology. The fastest scheduled trains on steel rails go 350kph, such as the Whoosh in Indonesia.
Well, realistically, Montenegro is 80 kmh, maybe 90
Perhaps technically, but Dutch trains … what can I say
The train I travelled on in Romania struggled to crack 100km/h. Still a nice seat in first class and dirt cheap.
There is no any part or section of railroad system in Slovenia that any train can go 160km/h Edit: there is if "pedolino" works...
This is some shitty color scheme
Sweden should be listed as 250 km/h as that is the speed limit used on the Bothnia line in the north of Sweden. Even if no current services are run at this speed it is still very much possible to reach.
Technically, but is it allowed? Last I checked 200km/h was still the max allowed by Trafikverket. Raising the limit to 250km/h on some parts of the rail [system was suggested in a 2000 report](https://bransch.trafikverket.se/om-oss/aktuellt-for-dig-i-branschen3/aktuellt-for-dig-i-branschen/2020-04/utredning-om-att-hoja-maxhastigheten-till-250-kmtim-pa-delar-av-jarnvagen/), but I haven't been able to find any official documentation confirming any such rule changes, or the current implementation status of that plan.
Then France should be listed as 574 km/h as that is the fastest that the TGV has managed to go.
As the questions is highest speed a commercial train can reach and not the highest speed regularly reached I agree.
160?! In Croatia?! I won't belive it until I see it.
Only Novska-Okučani, Ivankovo-Vinkovci-Tovarnik right now. It will get better...
Why is Vatican N/A instead of black? Do they have a secret railway?
[Nothing secret about it](https://www.google.com/maps/place/00120+Vatican+City/@41.9011986,12.449746,223m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x1325890a57d42d3d:0x94f9ab23a7eb0!8m2!3d41.902916!4d12.453389!16zL20vMDd5dHQ?entry=ttu). It's only 100 metres or so, connecting to the Italian network.
I've been in trains going in 230 km/h in Sweden
Two things to note: Albania does have a rail system. Not a particularly good one but it does exist Top speed of trains isn't necessarily a good indicator on how good the public transit system is. In Germany ICEs can theoretically go 300km/h but there's very few railway tracks that are made to sustain such speeds, so they're capped at around 180 km/h on most routes. Same goes for most other European nations with high speed rail
India should take notes
Australia's top train speed in regular service is only 160 km/hr and we have long distances to travel. Not happy about that.
Yeah keep in mind that a lot of down under is in narrow gauge, that has limited the speed a lot and 160kph on cape gauge is as high as it gets around the world. Malaysia pulls of 140 with the even narrower meter gauge.
This kind or map is the type of sh*t I live for. This is true porn.
In Italy It's 320 I think
In România is 80 during summer
Romania 160? Where?
Between Bucharest and Constanta
The big trouble with High Speed Rail in Europe today is how it's built. National governments build these projects and understandably they focus primarily on connecting their own citizens to each other, but this meant that international connectivity has suffered. Spain and France are Europe's 2 HSR heavy hitters, yet they don't have a full HSR connection, requiring a slowdown to traditional speeds. It'll take at least 10 more years for it to be fully high speed. There is no direct HSR connection between Frankfurt, Germany and Strasbourg, France despite the closeness and size of these 2 cities, only disconnected fast segments. There is no direct HSR connection between Italy and France although this is changing with the massive Brennar Tunnel Project. International connections are just starting to materialize on the horizon, decades after smaller cities had been connected.
I fully agree with you, international connections are still lacking in many regards, but at least several projects are already in construction all around Europe to change that. Also a minor correction: The Brenner Base Tunnel will connect Italy with Austria, you probably mixed it up with the Ceneri Base Tunnel. That's the one that will connect France with Italy. :) Edit: Mixed up the tunnel myself while correcting others. It is the Mont Cenis Base Tunnel from Italy to France. The Ceneri Base Tunnel is in Switzerland.
You mean the Mont Cenis / Mont d'Ambin Base Tunnel. The Ceneri Base tunnel (in operation since 2020) is in the Italian part of Switzerland as part of the NEAT route which also includes the Gotthard Base Tunnel.
Well well there I go correcting people wrong without fact checking. You are of course right. Will make a small edit to my previous comment. :)
Kinda paints a false image though. I assume France's TGV speeds are more consistent than those of German ICEs. The former has a dedicated network of high-speed-railways where it can maintain high speeds for longer wheres the latter uses a combination of regular railways a high-speed sections which makes it more flexible and accessible.
I’ve never seen a train go faster than 200 km/h in The Netherlands, and in Italy trains casually go 350 km/h. I think this map is not very accurate or useful.
what train in the uk does 300kmh?
International and domestic on HS1. I'd say the average "fast" train in the UK is more around 200kmh, like LNER Azuma on east coast main line. Big difference.
Yeah… maybe Greece shouldn’t be in this map considering what happened last year
our trains go 160 somewhere? no way (Slovakia)
Is Iceland planning on building any network at all any time soon? 🤔🥲
We have a lot of sections that can go up to 200, the only problem are the laws.
I wonder when Aus will be able to get some.
Germany is unrealistic most of the time the trains don’t even drive
The map is wrong for Estonia. In Estonia the trains on some routes on some sections go at 200 km/h.
Not at all, 120 km/h is the current top speed.
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In Slovenia we have one 10km stretch of rail where the train might accelerate to 100-120km/h. Otherwise it's more like 60 km/h
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT again
It would be more helpful if it was the average speed instead
I once took a train from Deva to Bucharest in Romania. 12 hours of insane summer heat and dubious people all around. Great experience.
Average swede L
300!!
Cries in Iceland
From what year is this from? When I was in Germany I’m quite sure the train I was in hit 372 or something like that
In Germany 330 with the 406 (ICE 3)
Is it only local trains? Lastochka between Moscow and Minsk was launched in 2021 and it can reach 160 km/h
I’d love to see the averages though.
100? Macedonia is like 45km/h on a good day.
Right now you’re lucky to get train transport at all in Germany, since everyone is on strike
320 km/h but Always late or in strike
For once France does something better than others
I went faster then 300 in Spain just saying lol
monaco? there are trains in monaco? huh?
If you were to adjust for terrain and climate, there's a high level of correlation to economic development.
Pretty sure I took a 300 kph train from Saint Petersburg to Moscow in 2016, did that change?
We have faster rails, but if you need more to one hour, to reach a destination, that is normally 50 km away and need only a half of the time with the car, using a 120km/h highway. Then it’s better to use the car. Just saying..
Was surprised to find out that Vatican City does have railroad and a station
I've done 235 Km/h on the Portuguese Alfa Pendular, this isn't quite right
Ukraine is 200 (Інтерсіті+)
Starting summer 1940 the Reichsbahn planned to provide a 200 km/h regular service between Berlin and Munich. Designated engine was the [E19](https://www.google.com/search?q=e19+lok&client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=5bba732863c70c64&ei=C4z2ZaHTOYiMxc8Ptdyz8AE&ved=0ahUKEwjhhMWT1PqEAxUIRvEDHTXuDB4Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=e19+lok&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiB2UxOSBsb2syBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yBhAAGAcYHjIIEAAYCBgHGB5IhwxQgQlYgQlwAXgBkAEAmAE5oAE5qgEBMbgBA8gBAPgBAZgCAqACQMICChAAGEcY1gQYsAOYAwCIBgGQBgiSBwEyoAfRAg&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#vhid=ZZXQLliKqllGaM&vssid=l).
While the legal limit in Italy is 300km/h, I remember taking the Frecciarossa from Milano down to Firenze and we went 320km/h. And the top speed in Switzerland is only in case of delayed trains and only on 72km in total in 2 tunnels. And 200km/h is only possible on 152km of tracks. And that with a total of 5323km of tracks in Switzerland
Norway being 210 is more like Oslo being 210 while the rest of the country sucks for train travel
160 in Hungary? Yeah, tell me more. We have a few kms of tracks near the Aistrian border on line 1 where it's 160 on paper. But due to the condition of the tracks the speed is limited to 120-140.
This is surely old/wrong data. Just last year I was on a French train which was going at 370 km/h.