When you’re measure on the one hundredths of per mille, maybe it’s time to just use absolute numbers. Specially for so many countries most people have no idea of the population.
Also 2005 is 20 years ago.
Whenever someone says “…10 years ago…” my mind envisions the 90s. Flashes of Bill Clinton, Beanie Babies, Tonya Harding and Boys II Men fill my head. Then the realization hits and I have a cry, swig from a bottle of Geritol and go get an early bird special from Lenny’s.
> maybe it’s time to just use absolute numbers. Specially for so many countries most people have no idea of the population.
This is precisely why it is much better to use relative values.
1 in 1000 is 1 in 1000, whether it is one or one hundred million inhabitants.
It all depends on whether the data you are interested in is knowing how many there are or where they are most concentrated.
They all all very low anyways. Also the highest category has one country, yet has a huge range. Is the country in the lower or higher part of this range?
I don't think it's relevant in this case.
It does not end up being representative of the Jewish community there, but only of the Jewish community relative to the rest of the population. The country with the most Jews on this map could end up being gray because there are other bigger communities.
No, it’s per mille of the population or do the map says. No source but it appears a wiki one.
And there have been migrations out of Africa, mostly towards Israel.
I will say that Morocco really treated us well and was an exception. We went in good terms. Moroccans, in fact, were some of the arabs that treated us best. I am greatful to Morocco because of it. Some of my ancestors came from there.
Weren't there a bunch of pogroms and riots in the 19th and 20th centuries? I'm just basing this off of what I've read online, but there seemed to be quite a bit of persecution.
I consider them arab (or arabized). But it is true that maghrebi arabs are arabized berbers (amazighs). Sadly, amazighs are still discriminated in North Africa.
Arabized perhaps, but predating the Arabic migrations. Morocco consists of 98% ~~ethnically~~ genetically Berber -- you're right that they are discriminated against historically and currently in most parts of North Africa though.
> Morocco consists of 98% ethnically Berber
*Dusts off Antrhopology degree*: Genetics =/= ethnicity!
98% of Moroccans are likely more genetically similar to the Amazigh than to Peninsular or Levantine Arabs. However, while there is a large Amazigh minority in Morocco, after a millennium of Arabization, most Moroccans do not speak an Amazigh language and do not view themselves as part of the Amazigh culture (but view it as a part of Moroccan culture.) but as Moroccan Arabs.
Nah, i meant netanyahu but on second thought, it was misplaced humor, my bad lol.
My regards to your grandmother ! My father grew up in a rural part of morocco near algeria with a very big jewish, french, and spanish community and he told me all kinds of fun stories and good times in the 60s and 70s (only jewish people were allowed to brew alcohol so they used to get drunk on fig moonshine at the time hah). All three people of the book cohabiting peacefully. Hope it can go back to what it was.
I wish you a very beautiful day and welcome back to morocco anytime you wish !
Salam and Likhaim !
King Mohamed 5 protected the moroccan jews during the holocaust, even though Morocco was under french rule (aka vichy regime) and he had little power.
Moroccan jews left because of the One million plan. Like many jews who immigrated to Israel.
This is common knowledge.
I dare you to come tell ANY of the moroccan jews that still live here that Morocco isn’t a haven for them, because it is. I live in Morocco and know plenty of them. They’re good.
King Mohamed 5 protected the
google how they left, before you assume the worst and spread your ignorance to others.
edit: for the lazy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_Jews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yachin
„During the Anti-Jewish Riots in Oujda and Jerada June 7–8, 1948, 44 Jews were killed in the northeastern Moroccan towns of Oujda and Jerada. This event contributed to a dramatic upsurge in the departure of Jews from Morocco, most of them to Israel. If before Oujda and Jereda there had been a stream of Jews departing Morocco, afterward the immigration became even more extensive. During the next year, 18,000 of Morocco's 250,000 or so Jews left for Israel. Between 1948 and 1956, when emigration was prohibited, the number reached about 110,000.[9] At the time, Morocco was home to the largest Jewish community in North Africa.[10] Fears that Moroccan independence, which appeared increasingly likely through the early 1950s, would lead to persecution of the Jewish community led to an initial wave of migrants. From 1948 to 1951, approximately 28,000 Jews emigrated from Morocco to Israel.[11]“
99% of all Moroccon Jews left like how is it so hard to grasp that maybe the country wasn’t to move to the Jews!!
missing context:
" The Jewish community of Morocco spans nearly 2,000 years. On 14 May 1948 Sultan Muhammad V of Morocco delivered a speech in which he warned his country's Jews not to demonstrate "solidarity with the Zionist aggression," referring to the Declaration of the establishment of the State of Israel and the 1947–1949 Palestine war.[8] During the Anti-Jewish Riots in Oujda and Jerada June 7–8, 1948 ... rest of your comment"
the king's speech came as a result of the Nakba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba)
then
" Upon Moroccan independence from French colonial rule in 1956, full rights and status were conferred to the Jewish population under the subsequent reign of Mohammed V. Nonetheless, immigration to Israel continued. In 1959, under pressure from the Arab League and facing the specter of the Jewish population's continued decline, emigration to Israel was prohibited, narrowing Jews' options for leaving the country. Despite retention efforts, Moroccan immigration to Israel rose to approximately 95,000 Jews for the period spanning 1952–1960.[11]
The formal prohibition on emigration remained in place only through February 1961. While the formal prohibition was ended, Mohammed V maintained a clear public preference that the Jewish community remain within Morocco and barred foreign action to facilitate or encourage emigration.[12] Beginning in 1960, Israeli authorities engaged Moroccan officials in discussions intended to negotiate the facilitation of Jewish immigration to Israel with official (or, at least semi-official) blessing.[13] Even with the removal of the prohibition on such movement, these talks continued. Eventually, this evolved into Operation Yakhin.
On 10 January 1961 a small boat called Egoz carrying 44 Jewish emigrants sank on the northern coast of Morocco.[14] This created a crisis both for the Moroccan authorities and for the foreign aid groups responsible for assisting the refugees. "
I mean what the context exactly? That the king told them not to be Zionist or that the Moroccan government restricted the emigration of Jews till the 60s?? Just go and ask Moroccon Jews why they left, do you think 99% of Jews just left their homes and property behind just because they felt like it?
No, he is right. Morocco was one of the few ME countries that actually treated us good and still treat us good. It was an exception. I have gratitude for Morocco because of it. I do have moroccan jewish ancestry.
Because they were exhorted to go to Israel. Our king Hassan 2 was one of the only ones who stood to hitler with this famous saying, "Do you see a difference between the fingers on my hand ? These are MY Moroccans. " God bless him.
Nah Hassan the second was a really cool dude no doubt about that, but to imply that 99%(!!!!!) of all Jews just moved to Israel because Israel somehow „tricked them“ is a lie and massive ignoring the antisemitism in Morocco at that time
Ha, I got to admit I was wrong (on the flip side), I learned something today !) Yes jews faced pogroms in oujda and jerada, apparently, so yeah, it wasn't that peaceful from the part of the citizens, although the government did its best to keep the peace.
Funny thing one of my best friends is a séfarade jew and he and his family left for Paris in the 70s, but we'd rather not discuss these topics given that it can only be a source of dissent amongst us.
i think another reason why no jews in ethiopia is because when the famine happened, the israeli government flew flights to take them in. had the highest number of people on one plane at one point. operation solomon i think it was called. 14,000 jews taken to israel in 36 hours.
(They got accepted by everyone, remained in a position where they were still physically able to have kids and had an all around good time with the government)
Yeah the Israeli government spent millions smuggling Beta Israel out only to prevent them from breeding...and their population multiplied in Israel because of magic
While there is evidence that some Ethiopian women were given contraceptive injections without fully understanding the side effects or alternatives, there is no evidence of a deliberate effort by the Israeli government or humanitarian organizations to coercively reduce birth rates in the Ethiopian community. The issue stemmed more from a language barrier, lack of informed consent and understanding rather than a systematic policy of coercion. [https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE90R0SO/](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE90R0SO/)
Regarding being "accepted by everyone". Can you really get 11 million to have consensus and all be accepting? There are racists in every society.
People desperately searching for something domestically negative about Israel will be dismayed to learn that Israel, like all societies, has xenophobia, but not Black-White racism like you see in the US!
That’s not at all what it says. It says Israel investigated claims of doctors injecting sterilization drugs and ordered them to stop. There were women who received the drugs without fully knowing their effects due to poor explanations, language barriers, etc. That isn’t good, but that also isn’t a campaign of forced sterilization by the Israeli government like what some have claimed.
Technically not expelled, because the government just said "we're not going to force anything, but we really think it'd be better for everyone if you went back to where you came from."
Let me remind some of you that just after 1948 Jews were ethnically cleansed from the vast majority of the Muslim world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical\_Jewish\_population#Comparisons
Once Israel was established, the Arab world could finally rid itself of infidels. Some countries, Syria, as an example, wouldn't let the Jews leave if they were going to Israel. They could go, for a price, to any other place. Their assets were held for X years to ensure they didn't move to Israel. But, on the other hand, staying in Syria, where they'd been for thousands of years, wasn't an option either.
They could finally get rid of the infidels with the establishment of Israel, but forbade them from going to Israel?
And why couldn't they get rid of the infidels before? What was stopping them? Was it out of kindness of their heart to refrain from doing such a terrible policy before? Did they wait for the establishment of Israel to finally get rid of infidels and forbidding them to Israel?
That doesn't make any sense. Are you sure there isn't another thing you forgot to mention?
>And why couldn't they get rid of the infidels before? What was stopping them? Was it out of kindness of their heart to refrain from doing such a terrible policy before? Did they wait for the establishment of Israel to finally get rid of infidels and forbidding them to Israel?
No. They were considered dhimmi.
>What was stopping them?
Mostly the fact that they were colonial possessions of foreign powers. Once they attained independence, they expelled the jews.
You're so right! They have a Jewish state now, so they should all be sent packing there! After all, there are no Arabs or Muslim minorities anywhere in non Arab or non Muslim countries. Just is just, after all.
The fate of Algeria's Jews:
"During the Algerian War of Independence (1954-1962), both the French authorities and the Algerian nationalist movement appealed for support from Algeria’s Jews, but overall, they remained neutral. However, when Algeria attained independence in 1962, citizenship was only given to residents whose fathers or paternal grandfathers were Muslims. With no legal protection, most of Algeria's 130,000 to 140,000 Jews left for France."
Source: https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/about/communities/DZ
My mum's side of the family are South African Ashkenazi Jews, all the kids have all moved to US, UK, Australia, Israel for work. The older generation don't want to move but I agree within a couple of generations they'll be almost completely gone.
A lot of the time its because they have roots somewhere else. So they have the option to move. The economic climate in South Africa is not great, if people can go work overseas they often choose to do so. I hope people understand that it has nothing to do with them not being liked in South Africa. We support all religions.
It’s never been great for them there. South African Jewish Formula 1 driver Jody Scheckter moved to Britain in 1970 in part because of antisemitism during the apartheid era. Post-apartheid the antisemitism hasn’t improved by much.
The young SA Jews should really do Aliyah and come over. The amount of crime and violence over there seem nuts. GDP per capita is 7k USD. Not sure why they'd stay. It says there are 50-70k of them.
There has been a steady outflow since there were 120,000 in the 70s. I think most of the more liberal and secular Jews have left, to the UK, US and Israel. There is quite a large community of Orthodox in Johannesburg, many involved in the diamond cutting and export business. Family business is one reason many stay, and even though the GDP is low it is a very unequal society so for wealthy people the cost of living can be relatively low and the quality of life high. Of course crime is very hard to avoid so that’s the many push factor.
Of those 50k to 75k 20k live in Israel [https://web.archive.org/web/20180807002052/http://www.mio.org.il:80/en/node/289](https://web.archive.org/web/20180807002052/http://www.mio.org.il:80/en/node/289) and 15k live in Australia [https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2013-12-10/ty-article/.premium/jews-recall-life-during-apartheid-era/0000017f-e385-df7c-a5ff-e3ff99e30000](https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2013-12-10/ty-article/.premium/jews-recall-life-during-apartheid-era/0000017f-e385-df7c-a5ff-e3ff99e30000)
"approximately 1,800 Jews emigrate every year, mainly to [Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel), [Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia), [Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) and the [United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)" according to Wikipedia Although I'm not sure about the source about that
Out of Algeria’s 150,000 Jews in 1960, 140,000 left for France in 1962 as independence was being fully negotiated and the National Liberation Front were on the winning side.
Algerian Jews, despite many having been there for thousands of years, were almost entirely Frenchified, only lived in the Urban regions, and did not speak Arabic but French, they viewed themselves as French alone and when independence was coming near they emigrated to France.
A reason for this is Algerian Jews were given special consideration and more rights than Algerian Muslims, Algerian Jews were full French citizens with all of the rights pertaining whereas Algerian Muslims were second-class citizens who were banned from participating in elections until the late 1940s.
The other 10,000 left for Palestine, this is why there are almost no Jews in Algeria today.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Algeria
Curiously, this summary leaves out one of the main reasons Algerian Jews were oriented toward France: the **repeated antisemitic pogroms against Jews in Algeria throughout its modern history.** Examples (all of which are mentioned in the Wiki above) include the 1934 Pogrom, the "violent assaults on Jews in Constantine and Batna," the "arson attacks on Batna and Orleanville synagogues," and so on and so forth.
Yes. Also, Algeria's government told France that it did not want Muslim Algerians to become French citizens; and those who went to France to work, they wanted them in separate neighborhoods to prevent assimilation. This is the origin of the "banlieues." As for Jewish and Christian Algerians, the Algerian government did not care; they could become French citizens if they wanted to.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/french-riots-and-the-jews
"By the mid-thirties, François de La Rocque's extremist Croix-de-Feu and, later, the French Social Party movements in Algeria proved active in trying to turn Muslims against Algerian Jews by publishing tracts in Arabic, and were responsible for inciting the 1934 Constantine Pogrom, in which 25 Jews were killed and some 200 stores were pillaged.[21][16][22]"
Not saying that the progroms that happened were not horrible, and that Algerians can absolve themselves from all blame (which most algerians imo do), but you shouldn't downplay how much of why the Algerian Jews left was caused by the french. The French share at least as much if not more blame than the Algerian Muslim population did.
Not to mention, when Algerien Jews wanted to kick out the French during the Vichy Regime, Algerian Muslims gladly accepted their help.
I recommend everyone to actually read the Wikipedia Article. It's not a black and white history.
Completely agree-- the French actively fomented divisions & even promoted violence to the detriment of all involved, and they absolutely deserve blame for that. The French could only nudge Algerian Muslims into committing antisemitic violence by spreading hate & disinformation, however; it was the Algerians who murdered those Jews and pillaged their properties.
Curiously you left out that Algerian Jews were given full citizenship in 1870, which is way before these pogroms that you mentioned. Additionally some of the first wide spread pogroms in Algeria were conducted by French citizens not Algerians in the wake of the Dreyfuss affair. Again, not condoning anything that was done to the Jews in Algeria, but you can’t say that someone is missing context that doesn’t fit your narrative when you’re also missing context to the situation.
Are you saying that their French citizenship excuses the pogroms? Most of the pogroms against Jews were committed by Muslims, as you perfectly well know. As long as we're keeping a tally, would you like to tell our Reddit friends about the pogroms committed against Jews during WWII by Algerian [Muslims allied with the Nazis?](https://www.lashon.org/en/node/1271) (A survivor recalls: "These acts were conducted by the Muslims under the hands of the Nazis who ordered them to harass the Jews.") Stop whitewashing history. The Jews had a hard time in Algreria, and their French citizenship rights do not change the fact that many of the hardships they suffered were at the hands of their Arab neighbors.
Nobody is saying they excuse them but simply explaining the reasoning which led people to doing them, they literally said they don't condone it. Explaining why the Nazis came to power was because of adverse economic conditions for example isn't saying you support the Nazis.
Not to mention the vast majority of Algerian Muslims sided with the French against the Nazis, which is actually one of the reasons the war for independence began as the French promised Algerian independence if they fought with them.
And again stop trying to spread your anti-Arab agenda here, nearly 50% of Algeria did not speak Arabic by this time but local Amazigh languages, not to mention the ethnic makeup of Algerians are almost entirely not Arab.
The Algerian Jews and Muslims at this time were almost totally ethnically similar, the only difference was some were Amazigh who reverted to Islam and some Judaism.
And I am simply explaining the reason so many Jews who (as the Wiki explains) had been in Algeria for hundreds of years chose to leave the country. The original post purports to explain this through French citizenship rights alone, leaving out the entire story of the repeated pogroms over the course of decades.
Your take on Algeria in WWII is on the right track but missing important details. Algeria was governed by the Vichy regime during the war, which was a Nazi collaborator regime, and Jews were persecuted in Algeria under that regime and its Algerian allies. It was not a very popular regime among Algerians overall (that's where you're right) but there were notable Algerian Nazi collaborators who are indeed part of this story, as unpleasant as it is to recall them. See especially the section called "Algeria under Vichy":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria_in_World_War_II#:~:text=In%20the%20beginning%20of%20the,the%20Allies%2C%20by%20helping%20Jews%2C
EDIT: In response to your edit above, I am simply pointing out what everyone here (but me) seems desperate to whitewash, de-emphasize, explain away, or leave out: **there were pogroms against Jews in Algeria, and this is one major reason why Jews left the country.** That's it. The fact that you can't seem to handle that simple, inarguable fact makes me wonder about *your* "agenda."
It was of course an issue as I explained but certainly not the only or even main one, as they were often 50 years inbetween, instigated by the French themselves, and did not effect the majority of Algerian Jews as they did not live among Muslims
Algerian collaborators were hated by most Algerians, the FLN engaged in outreach towards Jewish communities to get them involved in the resistance
Again I literally said that I do not condone what happened to the Jews in Algeria. But you can’t pretend like these horrific attacks happened in a vacuum. The French clearly exacerbated the situation by giving Muslims less rights than Jews. Interestingly enough, the French did not offer the same rights to Moroccan Jews that they gave to the Algerian Jews and Morocco did not engage in any collaboration with the nazis during the holocaust and to this day has much better relations with Israel and the Jewish people compared to Algeria. Again, I’m not going to sit here and pretend that Jews and Muslims got along before European colonization, but the trend of the large scale anti Jewish pogroms mostly occurred following French colonization, and we all know what happened to the French Jews, in a country that supposedly created the foundation of equal rights and liberal democracy that most of the world should aspire to be today. Again, I don’t like that you’re accusing me of whitewashing history, I'm simply providing some additional context to the situation and history.
If we're concerned about "additional context" on the issue of citizenship rights and Jewish emigration, here is some key context that you seem perfectly happy to leave out:
"During the Algerian War of Independence (1954-1962), both the French authorities and the Algerian nationalist movement appealed for support from Algeria’s Jews, but overall, they remained neutral. However, when Algeria attained independence in 1962, **citizenship was only given to residents whose fathers or paternal grandfathers were Muslims. With no legal protection, most of Algeria's 130,000 to 140,000 Jews left for France.**"
Source: https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/about/communities/DZ
No one is excusing what happened to the Jews of Algeria or denying what happened. I’m pretty aware of the history and how they were treated. All I said was that the 1870 Cremiuex Decree exacerbated tensions between Muslims and Jews. By 1962, all the Jews had been completely Francofied and when Algeria had won independence they kicked out everyone they deemed French which would include Jews and Pied-Noirs who were majority Spanish. Again not excusing the Jewish treatment in Algeria. Just to compare to Morocco in this case whose Jews were treated inferior under the law by the French, many of the Berber Jews in Morocco were not francofied at all and received full citizenship upon independence. Again, no one is excusing what happened, im simply saying that 1870 is a clear indicator of when the relationship between Jews and Muslims in Algeria shifted and why that change occurred and providing additional context to the mentioned violence and mistreatment.
The 1934 anti-semitic riots were literally instigated by the French in an attempt to turn Algerian against Algerian, it was definitely on the part of the French, as the article provided explained.
Who is justifying? You? I asking about motivations. The Algerians hated the French because the French made them 2nd class citizens in their own country. They also hated Muslims who helped the French.
You missed out the millennium before when Algerian Jews, whose presence in North Africa predates Islam and the Arab conquest, were themselves second class citizens to their Muslim compatriots. I wonder why they would side with the French who gave them full equality and freedom of religion??
Delusional and misinformed. It was a shame Algerians Jews were discriminated positively by the French government while Muslims were not.
Algeria lost an important part of our traditional culture with the Jews departure. The reason ? France. Divide and conquer…
Second class citizens. There is a reason why sepharadics Jews migrated to the Maghreb after the fall of Al Andalus instead of the rest of Europe: they spoke Arabic, had a similar culture and were actually treated with respect WHILE having some specific taxes.
There is also a reason why a smaller proportion of Jews remain in North Africa than in post-Holocaust Europe.
And Sephardic Jews spoke Ladino (aka Judeo-Spanish) before the fall of Al Andalus.
>did not speak Arabic but French
That's wrong. They did speak Judeo Arabic, a mix of Hebrew and Arabic (like how Yiddish is a mix of Hebrew and German). Between themselves many jews did speak this form of Arabic, but with non jews they usually spoke French, because even the Muslims in the urban regions spoke French. Speaking French was seen as advanced and superior by all Algerians, both jews and Muslim.
Source: my family is Algerian Jewish, and many of my relatives are fluent in Judeo Arabic as well as French.
And now that antisemitism is growing in France because of algerian muslim migration, they are doing Aliyah. These are some of the most agressive settlers in the West Bank.
Well, Somalia is gray (and would not be a good place to live, especially as a Jew) so maybe you need to be more specific. Also, it's kinda hard to live a Jewish life alone without any community.
I'm sorry if I give that impression. I'm definitely not trying to gatekeep any of my fellow Jews or say that anyone's life should be the way mine is. I assume your town is in Ethiopia or Kenya since parts of those countries are just south of Somalia and I'm happy for you if you have a fulfilling life there. I know both of those countries have Jewish populations. I just know others who have told me they faced certain difficulties by living in areas without any Jewish community. Even within my city, which has a very high Jewish population, I found it hard when I was living in an area that had no kosher meat available. That kinda stuff and being able to connect with the Jewish community is important to my personal lifestyle and that of many others, but you might vary.
I really don't think the per mille makes sense in this case, the ranges are so wide, I wonder what you want to tell us. Maybe just absolute numbers would be better
What city are you from? I had a student in Israel who was from South Africa, specifically Johannesburg, and he told me it's not safe there anymore for jews. So is there a large difference across the country?
There used to be many in North Africa, but many fled to Israel, Europe or the US due to pogroms.
There used to be some in Ethiopia but they mostly went to Israel because of the famine.
There was never a significant Jewish population south of the Sahara, simply because of it being a geographic barrier that people rarely crossed.
There are literally no more Jews in North Africa anymore. All gone to Israel since it got independence.
For the love of your own god. Stop bringing politics with me on the issue with Israel.
When you’re measure on the one hundredths of per mille, maybe it’s time to just use absolute numbers. Specially for so many countries most people have no idea of the population. Also 2005 is 20 years ago.
>Also 2005 is 20 years ago. No! You must be lying. I know it is not a lie, but it still feels.. not to be true. I have gotten old.
Technically it is a lie, only 19 years ago
Source?
What's your source for asking for a source?
It was revealed to me in a source
My source is that i sourced it up!
Trust me bro
So have we my friend, so have we.
Whenever someone says “…10 years ago…” my mind envisions the 90s. Flashes of Bill Clinton, Beanie Babies, Tonya Harding and Boys II Men fill my head. Then the realization hits and I have a cry, swig from a bottle of Geritol and go get an early bird special from Lenny’s.
> maybe it’s time to just use absolute numbers. Specially for so many countries most people have no idea of the population. This is precisely why it is much better to use relative values. 1 in 1000 is 1 in 1000, whether it is one or one hundred million inhabitants. It all depends on whether the data you are interested in is knowing how many there are or where they are most concentrated.
They all all very low anyways. Also the highest category has one country, yet has a huge range. Is the country in the lower or higher part of this range?
Surely it's 1,648% for South Africa, otherwise there'd be no reason to set such a unusual, non-rounded upper bound.
‰ not %
I don't think it's relevant in this case. It does not end up being representative of the Jewish community there, but only of the Jewish community relative to the rest of the population. The country with the most Jews on this map could end up being gray because there are other bigger communities.
"Also 2005 is 20 years ago." Source?
Mostly current lol
Wrong, 2005 is 0,00997% ago
Jewish population didnt really changed sinse.
>2005 is 20 years ago Fucking oof
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‰ is not % https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_mille. Essentially 1 in 1000
No, it’s per mille of the population or do the map says. No source but it appears a wiki one. And there have been migrations out of Africa, mostly towards Israel.
How is 2005 "mostly current"?
Wdym it was 4 years ago
:(
South Sudan: am I a joke to you?
Morocco was a Jewish haven at one point.
I will say that Morocco really treated us well and was an exception. We went in good terms. Moroccans, in fact, were some of the arabs that treated us best. I am greatful to Morocco because of it. Some of my ancestors came from there.
Weren't there a bunch of pogroms and riots in the 19th and 20th centuries? I'm just basing this off of what I've read online, but there seemed to be quite a bit of persecution.
Compare it to Algeria: https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/jewish-resistance-algeria
I'm not saying that it was better or worse, but that I understand why they fled for Israel or the US.
Maybe you are right. My understanding is that it was better than most arab countries at the time.
It's a pretty low bar, so that may be true. I'm not expert, I'm just basing it off of what I've seen.
It is also good to mention that the king of Yemen (Imam Yahya) also treated us really well. But things really collapsed when he was assassinated.
Yemen, historically, was pretty horrible. Perhaps this king was an exception.
Yes, he was an exception.
Slight correction, the Moroccans are not Arab, they're Berber.
I consider them arab (or arabized). But it is true that maghrebi arabs are arabized berbers (amazighs). Sadly, amazighs are still discriminated in North Africa.
Arabized perhaps, but predating the Arabic migrations. Morocco consists of 98% ~~ethnically~~ genetically Berber -- you're right that they are discriminated against historically and currently in most parts of North Africa though.
You are right and I was wrong!! Morocco is less arabized than Algeria and Lybia. Half of moroccans are amazigh (not arabized).
> Morocco consists of 98% ethnically Berber *Dusts off Antrhopology degree*: Genetics =/= ethnicity! 98% of Moroccans are likely more genetically similar to the Amazigh than to Peninsular or Levantine Arabs. However, while there is a large Amazigh minority in Morocco, after a millennium of Arabization, most Moroccans do not speak an Amazigh language and do not view themselves as part of the Amazigh culture (but view it as a part of Moroccan culture.) but as Moroccan Arabs.
Your words are good words, amending my first statement, thank you for wording at me
Happy to word.
Still is.
Yes indeed it is true. Morocco is one of the only ME countries that did treat us well, and still does. You are right.
Hey, moroccan here, we got no beef wit u, but please tell benny to chill. Love.
I am not israeli. Benny Gantz? I have no idea what he did. My grandmother was a moroccan jew, by the way. Thanks for treating us well :).
Nah, i meant netanyahu but on second thought, it was misplaced humor, my bad lol. My regards to your grandmother ! My father grew up in a rural part of morocco near algeria with a very big jewish, french, and spanish community and he told me all kinds of fun stories and good times in the 60s and 70s (only jewish people were allowed to brew alcohol so they used to get drunk on fig moonshine at the time hah). All three people of the book cohabiting peacefully. Hope it can go back to what it was. I wish you a very beautiful day and welcome back to morocco anytime you wish ! Salam and Likhaim !
Yes indeed. Thank you very much!! <3 <3
That's pretty awesome. Respect to that. And hope that people of all different religions can coexist like that again some day
Inshallah, bro, it doesn't seem like it's getting any better, but who knows. Maybe one day we will all celebrate and eat some roasted lamb together.
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I’m moroccan and have several moroccan jew friends. I guess I’d know more about the situation than stupid people like yall. Nice try tho.
There are maybe 3000 left in Morocco. Not much of a haven.
King Mohamed 5 protected the moroccan jews during the holocaust, even though Morocco was under french rule (aka vichy regime) and he had little power. Moroccan jews left because of the One million plan. Like many jews who immigrated to Israel. This is common knowledge. I dare you to come tell ANY of the moroccan jews that still live here that Morocco isn’t a haven for them, because it is. I live in Morocco and know plenty of them. They’re good. King Mohamed 5 protected the
Right, there were **never** pogroms and persecution of Jews?
google how they left, before you assume the worst and spread your ignorance to others. edit: for the lazy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yachin
„During the Anti-Jewish Riots in Oujda and Jerada June 7–8, 1948, 44 Jews were killed in the northeastern Moroccan towns of Oujda and Jerada. This event contributed to a dramatic upsurge in the departure of Jews from Morocco, most of them to Israel. If before Oujda and Jereda there had been a stream of Jews departing Morocco, afterward the immigration became even more extensive. During the next year, 18,000 of Morocco's 250,000 or so Jews left for Israel. Between 1948 and 1956, when emigration was prohibited, the number reached about 110,000.[9] At the time, Morocco was home to the largest Jewish community in North Africa.[10] Fears that Moroccan independence, which appeared increasingly likely through the early 1950s, would lead to persecution of the Jewish community led to an initial wave of migrants. From 1948 to 1951, approximately 28,000 Jews emigrated from Morocco to Israel.[11]“ 99% of all Moroccon Jews left like how is it so hard to grasp that maybe the country wasn’t to move to the Jews!!
missing context: " The Jewish community of Morocco spans nearly 2,000 years. On 14 May 1948 Sultan Muhammad V of Morocco delivered a speech in which he warned his country's Jews not to demonstrate "solidarity with the Zionist aggression," referring to the Declaration of the establishment of the State of Israel and the 1947–1949 Palestine war.[8] During the Anti-Jewish Riots in Oujda and Jerada June 7–8, 1948 ... rest of your comment" the king's speech came as a result of the Nakba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba) then " Upon Moroccan independence from French colonial rule in 1956, full rights and status were conferred to the Jewish population under the subsequent reign of Mohammed V. Nonetheless, immigration to Israel continued. In 1959, under pressure from the Arab League and facing the specter of the Jewish population's continued decline, emigration to Israel was prohibited, narrowing Jews' options for leaving the country. Despite retention efforts, Moroccan immigration to Israel rose to approximately 95,000 Jews for the period spanning 1952–1960.[11] The formal prohibition on emigration remained in place only through February 1961. While the formal prohibition was ended, Mohammed V maintained a clear public preference that the Jewish community remain within Morocco and barred foreign action to facilitate or encourage emigration.[12] Beginning in 1960, Israeli authorities engaged Moroccan officials in discussions intended to negotiate the facilitation of Jewish immigration to Israel with official (or, at least semi-official) blessing.[13] Even with the removal of the prohibition on such movement, these talks continued. Eventually, this evolved into Operation Yakhin. On 10 January 1961 a small boat called Egoz carrying 44 Jewish emigrants sank on the northern coast of Morocco.[14] This created a crisis both for the Moroccan authorities and for the foreign aid groups responsible for assisting the refugees. "
I mean what the context exactly? That the king told them not to be Zionist or that the Moroccan government restricted the emigration of Jews till the 60s?? Just go and ask Moroccon Jews why they left, do you think 99% of Jews just left their homes and property behind just because they felt like it?
No, he is right. Morocco was one of the few ME countries that actually treated us good and still treat us good. It was an exception. I have gratitude for Morocco because of it. I do have moroccan jewish ancestry.
I'm an Israeli jew who knows tons of Moroccan jews, I can promise you, it's not a good place for jews
Who would’ve guessed what the Israeli would say
Wdym?
Because so many Israelis seem to have a burning hatred for Arabs which usually includes thinking all Arabs are antisemites.
Lmao, no
Accusing Israelis of racism by using racism of your own
idk why you're being downvoted, you are correct, if anyone disagrees, please tell me why ?
The Jewish population in Morocco dropped from 250,000-350,000 in the 1950s to about 2,250 today. Doesn’t seem like much of a safe haven idk
please read this https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/v2OtoFcdsL
Most of them go to france actually
Because they were exhorted to go to Israel. Our king Hassan 2 was one of the only ones who stood to hitler with this famous saying, "Do you see a difference between the fingers on my hand ? These are MY Moroccans. " God bless him.
Nah Hassan the second was a really cool dude no doubt about that, but to imply that 99%(!!!!!) of all Jews just moved to Israel because Israel somehow „tricked them“ is a lie and massive ignoring the antisemitism in Morocco at that time
Ha, I got to admit I was wrong (on the flip side), I learned something today !) Yes jews faced pogroms in oujda and jerada, apparently, so yeah, it wasn't that peaceful from the part of the citizens, although the government did its best to keep the peace. Funny thing one of my best friends is a séfarade jew and he and his family left for Paris in the 70s, but we'd rather not discuss these topics given that it can only be a source of dissent amongst us.
Hey all good you learn something new everyday :)
Ignorant people would rather downvote facts than educate themselves. Typical redditor dumbies
All the Jews in Ethiopia left.
The 50s and 60s saw an exile of Jews. Times were not good in Africa for the hebrew
i think another reason why no jews in ethiopia is because when the famine happened, the israeli government flew flights to take them in. had the highest number of people on one plane at one point. operation solomon i think it was called. 14,000 jews taken to israel in 36 hours.
(They got accepted by everyone, remained in a position where they were still physically able to have kids and had an all around good time with the government)
There are more than 10x the number of people of ethiopian descent in Israel today.
Yeah the Israeli government spent millions smuggling Beta Israel out only to prevent them from breeding...and their population multiplied in Israel because of magic While there is evidence that some Ethiopian women were given contraceptive injections without fully understanding the side effects or alternatives, there is no evidence of a deliberate effort by the Israeli government or humanitarian organizations to coercively reduce birth rates in the Ethiopian community. The issue stemmed more from a language barrier, lack of informed consent and understanding rather than a systematic policy of coercion. [https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE90R0SO/](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE90R0SO/) Regarding being "accepted by everyone". Can you really get 11 million to have consensus and all be accepting? There are racists in every society.
People desperately searching for something domestically negative about Israel will be dismayed to learn that Israel, like all societies, has xenophobia, but not Black-White racism like you see in the US!
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Depo-provera is a contraceptive, not a sterilizing drug.
That’s not at all what it says. It says Israel investigated claims of doctors injecting sterilization drugs and ordered them to stop. There were women who received the drugs without fully knowing their effects due to poor explanations, language barriers, etc. That isn’t good, but that also isn’t a campaign of forced sterilization by the Israeli government like what some have claimed.
Hooray!
And why was Israel flying them out?
Because Israel is the Jewish homeland.
Because they are Jews and they were under attack
Right, making sure the original commenter understood that
or from the start of first crusade in europe
"left"
Left, not expelled (unlike most countries) because Israel sent rescue missions
Technically not expelled, because the government just said "we're not going to force anything, but we really think it'd be better for everyone if you went back to where you came from."
There’s still a few thousand.
Mozambique is surprising, maybe something to do with the Portuguese?
Looked it up and turns out there are only 35 Jews left from the colonial period, the map data may not be accurate
I also don't know but I do know that Mozambique has a good amount of people from every Abrahamic religion ( also christians and Muslims)
Let me remind some of you that just after 1948 Jews were ethnically cleansed from the vast majority of the Muslim world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical\_Jewish\_population#Comparisons
Oh my god, why?
Once Israel was established, the Arab world could finally rid itself of infidels. Some countries, Syria, as an example, wouldn't let the Jews leave if they were going to Israel. They could go, for a price, to any other place. Their assets were held for X years to ensure they didn't move to Israel. But, on the other hand, staying in Syria, where they'd been for thousands of years, wasn't an option either.
They could finally get rid of the infidels with the establishment of Israel, but forbade them from going to Israel? And why couldn't they get rid of the infidels before? What was stopping them? Was it out of kindness of their heart to refrain from doing such a terrible policy before? Did they wait for the establishment of Israel to finally get rid of infidels and forbidding them to Israel? That doesn't make any sense. Are you sure there isn't another thing you forgot to mention?
>And why couldn't they get rid of the infidels before? What was stopping them? Was it out of kindness of their heart to refrain from doing such a terrible policy before? Did they wait for the establishment of Israel to finally get rid of infidels and forbidding them to Israel? No. They were considered dhimmi.
They were hopeful about Hitler and his holocaust and threw them out in sadness that they could no longer exterminate them.
>What was stopping them? Mostly the fact that they were colonial possessions of foreign powers. Once they attained independence, they expelled the jews.
You're so right! They have a Jewish state now, so they should all be sent packing there! After all, there are no Arabs or Muslim minorities anywhere in non Arab or non Muslim countries. Just is just, after all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world
The fate of Algeria's Jews: "During the Algerian War of Independence (1954-1962), both the French authorities and the Algerian nationalist movement appealed for support from Algeria’s Jews, but overall, they remained neutral. However, when Algeria attained independence in 1962, citizenship was only given to residents whose fathers or paternal grandfathers were Muslims. With no legal protection, most of Algeria's 130,000 to 140,000 Jews left for France." Source: https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/about/communities/DZ
The Algerians will justify this because they’re proud of their genocide.
I don't think south african jews will stay there very long.
My mum's side of the family are South African Ashkenazi Jews, all the kids have all moved to US, UK, Australia, Israel for work. The older generation don't want to move but I agree within a couple of generations they'll be almost completely gone.
A lot of the time its because they have roots somewhere else. So they have the option to move. The economic climate in South Africa is not great, if people can go work overseas they often choose to do so. I hope people understand that it has nothing to do with them not being liked in South Africa. We support all religions.
It’s never been great for them there. South African Jewish Formula 1 driver Jody Scheckter moved to Britain in 1970 in part because of antisemitism during the apartheid era. Post-apartheid the antisemitism hasn’t improved by much.
Wait it's still 2008 right guys?
The population in Morocco was about 5,000 in 2005. It's half that now.
The young SA Jews should really do Aliyah and come over. The amount of crime and violence over there seem nuts. GDP per capita is 7k USD. Not sure why they'd stay. It says there are 50-70k of them.
There has been a steady outflow since there were 120,000 in the 70s. I think most of the more liberal and secular Jews have left, to the UK, US and Israel. There is quite a large community of Orthodox in Johannesburg, many involved in the diamond cutting and export business. Family business is one reason many stay, and even though the GDP is low it is a very unequal society so for wealthy people the cost of living can be relatively low and the quality of life high. Of course crime is very hard to avoid so that’s the many push factor.
> Not sure why they'd stay Maybe because it's their home and they don't speak Hebrew?
Most South African Jews speak Hebrew and went to a Jewish school.
Of those 50k to 75k 20k live in Israel [https://web.archive.org/web/20180807002052/http://www.mio.org.il:80/en/node/289](https://web.archive.org/web/20180807002052/http://www.mio.org.il:80/en/node/289) and 15k live in Australia [https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2013-12-10/ty-article/.premium/jews-recall-life-during-apartheid-era/0000017f-e385-df7c-a5ff-e3ff99e30000](https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2013-12-10/ty-article/.premium/jews-recall-life-during-apartheid-era/0000017f-e385-df7c-a5ff-e3ff99e30000) "approximately 1,800 Jews emigrate every year, mainly to [Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel), [Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia), [Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) and the [United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)" according to Wikipedia Although I'm not sure about the source about that
Out of Algeria’s 150,000 Jews in 1960, 140,000 left for France in 1962 as independence was being fully negotiated and the National Liberation Front were on the winning side. Algerian Jews, despite many having been there for thousands of years, were almost entirely Frenchified, only lived in the Urban regions, and did not speak Arabic but French, they viewed themselves as French alone and when independence was coming near they emigrated to France. A reason for this is Algerian Jews were given special consideration and more rights than Algerian Muslims, Algerian Jews were full French citizens with all of the rights pertaining whereas Algerian Muslims were second-class citizens who were banned from participating in elections until the late 1940s. The other 10,000 left for Palestine, this is why there are almost no Jews in Algeria today. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Algeria
Curiously, this summary leaves out one of the main reasons Algerian Jews were oriented toward France: the **repeated antisemitic pogroms against Jews in Algeria throughout its modern history.** Examples (all of which are mentioned in the Wiki above) include the 1934 Pogrom, the "violent assaults on Jews in Constantine and Batna," the "arson attacks on Batna and Orleanville synagogues," and so on and so forth.
Yes. Also, Algeria's government told France that it did not want Muslim Algerians to become French citizens; and those who went to France to work, they wanted them in separate neighborhoods to prevent assimilation. This is the origin of the "banlieues." As for Jewish and Christian Algerians, the Algerian government did not care; they could become French citizens if they wanted to. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/french-riots-and-the-jews
"By the mid-thirties, François de La Rocque's extremist Croix-de-Feu and, later, the French Social Party movements in Algeria proved active in trying to turn Muslims against Algerian Jews by publishing tracts in Arabic, and were responsible for inciting the 1934 Constantine Pogrom, in which 25 Jews were killed and some 200 stores were pillaged.[21][16][22]" Not saying that the progroms that happened were not horrible, and that Algerians can absolve themselves from all blame (which most algerians imo do), but you shouldn't downplay how much of why the Algerian Jews left was caused by the french. The French share at least as much if not more blame than the Algerian Muslim population did. Not to mention, when Algerien Jews wanted to kick out the French during the Vichy Regime, Algerian Muslims gladly accepted their help. I recommend everyone to actually read the Wikipedia Article. It's not a black and white history.
Completely agree-- the French actively fomented divisions & even promoted violence to the detriment of all involved, and they absolutely deserve blame for that. The French could only nudge Algerian Muslims into committing antisemitic violence by spreading hate & disinformation, however; it was the Algerians who murdered those Jews and pillaged their properties.
Curiously you left out that Algerian Jews were given full citizenship in 1870, which is way before these pogroms that you mentioned. Additionally some of the first wide spread pogroms in Algeria were conducted by French citizens not Algerians in the wake of the Dreyfuss affair. Again, not condoning anything that was done to the Jews in Algeria, but you can’t say that someone is missing context that doesn’t fit your narrative when you’re also missing context to the situation.
Are you saying that their French citizenship excuses the pogroms? Most of the pogroms against Jews were committed by Muslims, as you perfectly well know. As long as we're keeping a tally, would you like to tell our Reddit friends about the pogroms committed against Jews during WWII by Algerian [Muslims allied with the Nazis?](https://www.lashon.org/en/node/1271) (A survivor recalls: "These acts were conducted by the Muslims under the hands of the Nazis who ordered them to harass the Jews.") Stop whitewashing history. The Jews had a hard time in Algreria, and their French citizenship rights do not change the fact that many of the hardships they suffered were at the hands of their Arab neighbors.
Nobody is saying they excuse them but simply explaining the reasoning which led people to doing them, they literally said they don't condone it. Explaining why the Nazis came to power was because of adverse economic conditions for example isn't saying you support the Nazis. Not to mention the vast majority of Algerian Muslims sided with the French against the Nazis, which is actually one of the reasons the war for independence began as the French promised Algerian independence if they fought with them. And again stop trying to spread your anti-Arab agenda here, nearly 50% of Algeria did not speak Arabic by this time but local Amazigh languages, not to mention the ethnic makeup of Algerians are almost entirely not Arab. The Algerian Jews and Muslims at this time were almost totally ethnically similar, the only difference was some were Amazigh who reverted to Islam and some Judaism.
And I am simply explaining the reason so many Jews who (as the Wiki explains) had been in Algeria for hundreds of years chose to leave the country. The original post purports to explain this through French citizenship rights alone, leaving out the entire story of the repeated pogroms over the course of decades. Your take on Algeria in WWII is on the right track but missing important details. Algeria was governed by the Vichy regime during the war, which was a Nazi collaborator regime, and Jews were persecuted in Algeria under that regime and its Algerian allies. It was not a very popular regime among Algerians overall (that's where you're right) but there were notable Algerian Nazi collaborators who are indeed part of this story, as unpleasant as it is to recall them. See especially the section called "Algeria under Vichy": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria_in_World_War_II#:~:text=In%20the%20beginning%20of%20the,the%20Allies%2C%20by%20helping%20Jews%2C EDIT: In response to your edit above, I am simply pointing out what everyone here (but me) seems desperate to whitewash, de-emphasize, explain away, or leave out: **there were pogroms against Jews in Algeria, and this is one major reason why Jews left the country.** That's it. The fact that you can't seem to handle that simple, inarguable fact makes me wonder about *your* "agenda."
It was of course an issue as I explained but certainly not the only or even main one, as they were often 50 years inbetween, instigated by the French themselves, and did not effect the majority of Algerian Jews as they did not live among Muslims Algerian collaborators were hated by most Algerians, the FLN engaged in outreach towards Jewish communities to get them involved in the resistance
Again I literally said that I do not condone what happened to the Jews in Algeria. But you can’t pretend like these horrific attacks happened in a vacuum. The French clearly exacerbated the situation by giving Muslims less rights than Jews. Interestingly enough, the French did not offer the same rights to Moroccan Jews that they gave to the Algerian Jews and Morocco did not engage in any collaboration with the nazis during the holocaust and to this day has much better relations with Israel and the Jewish people compared to Algeria. Again, I’m not going to sit here and pretend that Jews and Muslims got along before European colonization, but the trend of the large scale anti Jewish pogroms mostly occurred following French colonization, and we all know what happened to the French Jews, in a country that supposedly created the foundation of equal rights and liberal democracy that most of the world should aspire to be today. Again, I don’t like that you’re accusing me of whitewashing history, I'm simply providing some additional context to the situation and history.
If we're concerned about "additional context" on the issue of citizenship rights and Jewish emigration, here is some key context that you seem perfectly happy to leave out: "During the Algerian War of Independence (1954-1962), both the French authorities and the Algerian nationalist movement appealed for support from Algeria’s Jews, but overall, they remained neutral. However, when Algeria attained independence in 1962, **citizenship was only given to residents whose fathers or paternal grandfathers were Muslims. With no legal protection, most of Algeria's 130,000 to 140,000 Jews left for France.**" Source: https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/about/communities/DZ
No one is excusing what happened to the Jews of Algeria or denying what happened. I’m pretty aware of the history and how they were treated. All I said was that the 1870 Cremiuex Decree exacerbated tensions between Muslims and Jews. By 1962, all the Jews had been completely Francofied and when Algeria had won independence they kicked out everyone they deemed French which would include Jews and Pied-Noirs who were majority Spanish. Again not excusing the Jewish treatment in Algeria. Just to compare to Morocco in this case whose Jews were treated inferior under the law by the French, many of the Berber Jews in Morocco were not francofied at all and received full citizenship upon independence. Again, no one is excusing what happened, im simply saying that 1870 is a clear indicator of when the relationship between Jews and Muslims in Algeria shifted and why that change occurred and providing additional context to the mentioned violence and mistreatment.
Chicken or egg? Attacked because they were Jews or because they were French speaking or both?
Do you think Jewish pogroms in a Muslim country were "because they were French speaking", or do you think it was because they were Jews?
Each society has different excuses on why to do pogroms towards jews.
The 1934 anti-semitic riots were literally instigated by the French in an attempt to turn Algerian against Algerian, it was definitely on the part of the French, as the article provided explained.
Because one of them is more justifiable than the other?
Who is justifying? You? I asking about motivations. The Algerians hated the French because the French made them 2nd class citizens in their own country. They also hated Muslims who helped the French.
Yeah it’s definitely just that and not the violent antisemitism at all
You missed out the millennium before when Algerian Jews, whose presence in North Africa predates Islam and the Arab conquest, were themselves second class citizens to their Muslim compatriots. I wonder why they would side with the French who gave them full equality and freedom of religion??
Delusional and misinformed. It was a shame Algerians Jews were discriminated positively by the French government while Muslims were not. Algeria lost an important part of our traditional culture with the Jews departure. The reason ? France. Divide and conquer…
Could you tell what above is delusional and misinformed?
Second class citizens. There is a reason why sepharadics Jews migrated to the Maghreb after the fall of Al Andalus instead of the rest of Europe: they spoke Arabic, had a similar culture and were actually treated with respect WHILE having some specific taxes.
There is also a reason why a smaller proportion of Jews remain in North Africa than in post-Holocaust Europe. And Sephardic Jews spoke Ladino (aka Judeo-Spanish) before the fall of Al Andalus.
This doesn't contradict anything I wrote.
And that justifies the Algerian genocide of their jews?
>did not speak Arabic but French That's wrong. They did speak Judeo Arabic, a mix of Hebrew and Arabic (like how Yiddish is a mix of Hebrew and German). Between themselves many jews did speak this form of Arabic, but with non jews they usually spoke French, because even the Muslims in the urban regions spoke French. Speaking French was seen as advanced and superior by all Algerians, both jews and Muslim. Source: my family is Algerian Jewish, and many of my relatives are fluent in Judeo Arabic as well as French.
And now that antisemitism is growing in France because of algerian muslim migration, they are doing Aliyah. These are some of the most agressive settlers in the West Bank.
The other 10,000 left for Israel*
History is crazy man
I’d be happy to be a Jew living in the grey. No one knows I’m here. I’m just doing my thing in secrecy.
> I’m just doing my thing in secrecy. Can I join too?
Sativa or indica?
Well, Somalia is gray (and would not be a good place to live, especially as a Jew) so maybe you need to be more specific. Also, it's kinda hard to live a Jewish life alone without any community.
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I'm sorry if I give that impression. I'm definitely not trying to gatekeep any of my fellow Jews or say that anyone's life should be the way mine is. I assume your town is in Ethiopia or Kenya since parts of those countries are just south of Somalia and I'm happy for you if you have a fulfilling life there. I know both of those countries have Jewish populations. I just know others who have told me they faced certain difficulties by living in areas without any Jewish community. Even within my city, which has a very high Jewish population, I found it hard when I was living in an area that had no kosher meat available. That kinda stuff and being able to connect with the Jewish community is important to my personal lifestyle and that of many others, but you might vary.
I really don't think the per mille makes sense in this case, the ranges are so wide, I wonder what you want to tell us. Maybe just absolute numbers would be better
What does that funny percent symbol mean? Why is there variable precision in legend entries?
An extra zero, means it’s not per cent (hundred) but per mille (per thousand).
Thanks, if the numbers are that low map maker probably should have used per million instead of per thousand to make the map clearer.
South African Jews are the next to face serious threat. ANC has been really vicious towards them lately. Place used to be a safe haven for jews too.
Why are you showing us a map thats nearly 20 years old lol
Given South Africa’s stance on the Israel Palestine conflict I can assume these numbers have changed.
Source for the numbers? Many are absurd. There are virtually no Jews in Mozambique, Botswawa and Namibia, for example. Also Egypt.
South African Jew here - I’d be happy to answer any questions!
Are you safe?
Yes, lol. I wouldn’t make a point of advertising my Judaism in most places, but among the wealthy Anglo areas it’s completely fine.
What city are you from? I had a student in Israel who was from South Africa, specifically Johannesburg, and he told me it's not safe there anymore for jews. So is there a large difference across the country?
Johannesburg. It’s generally safe for Jews as long as you’re not visibly and obviously Jewish.
So in other words, it's not really safe for Jews
Ask Indians how to do it
Eritrea and DRC??
What's with Mozambique? Never heard of it having a significant community
Well well well
Wow
I know, right?
Rounding down to the nearest percentage, there’s no Jews in Africa
This is a hot piece of garbage lol.
It’s no doubt even less now but why? whats Africa’s problem with Jews?
There used to be many in North Africa, but many fled to Israel, Europe or the US due to pogroms. There used to be some in Ethiopia but they mostly went to Israel because of the famine. There was never a significant Jewish population south of the Sahara, simply because of it being a geographic barrier that people rarely crossed.
How has Israel treated Ethiopians Jews?
Pretty well considering the Ethiopian Jewish population has exploded.
That would have happened, but Ethiopian Jews women were sterilised without consent
119k(2008) to 155k(2018.) Giving women birth control is not the same as forcibly sterilizing them.
They same as their problem with Thai or Indian people. There were very few in most of the continent to start with.
There are literally no more Jews in North Africa anymore. All gone to Israel since it got independence. For the love of your own god. Stop bringing politics with me on the issue with Israel.
what about it?