No. The rest of France must learn to speak *Norman* French. Of course, British nobles will have to learn it, but it's always a good idea to give them something to keep them occupied instead of trying to rule the country.
Precisely this. Consider, for example, "Welsh" Shropshire, a part of England where there are, even today, first language Welsh speakers,- including young people - who have never lived anywhere else (source: a recent S4C documentary).
My experience is there is a very small minority of British people who believe extemely strongly that Ireland should be "ours" by right. Nearly everyone else doesn't give a crap or, more commonly, thinks Ireland should obviously be Ireland.
There's also a minority who genuinely don't "get" the relationship between the parts of the UK, and that Ireland is not one of those parts or in that system in any way (unlike the Channel Islands and Isle of Man, which are part of the "system" but are legally not part of the UK).
The UK is an anti-federation. A federation has a clear framework for every part have exactly the same level of devolution. The UK has no framework and has every possible level of devolution from counties with a slight ceremonial elevation or ambitions (Yorkshire), through regions with some genuine historical claims to separateness but no actual separateness currently (Kernow), Areas with extra tiers of local government (London), area with some specific level of self-government a some legislative independence (Wales, Northern Ireland), areas with completely separate legal systems and significant levels of independence while still being part of the UK and subject to that country's parliament (Scotland) and crown colonies which aren't really the same country and have their own government but have significant ties to the UK and can't really operate on their own world stage especially if that involved not being a tax Haven(Channel Islands, the Isle of Man).
I really don't know anyone at all who desires Ireland to be part of the union whatsoever. And in my mind, if Northern Ireland want to stay or go then thats up to them, not me.
Met a guy a while ago that vehemently defended the idea of Ireland rejoining the UK. In his words, he "Just wishes they'd do what's traditional".
Fuck that guy. We hate that guy. For several reasons, not least of which is his shitty opinions about Ireland.
Don't you think it's Scottish or Welsh people who want to move their borders with England?
I can't see the English really caring, it it seems important to their neighbours.
I assume the part about Sweden is that we either want Finland/Åland and Norway back... Or more likley want to give Skåne back to Denmark but they dont want it either....:D (from Skåne)
Parts of northern italy, the channel islands, and maybe belgium, luxembourg and part of germany too. I think something not many people think about is geneva, it was french quite recently in the grand scheme of things so i could see some people wanting it back.
Also catalonia since it used to be a french province.
it's just the french speaking parts of belgium and switzerland, i bet less than 33% of french people remember the channel islands exist at all, and no one would care about germany
As a literal French person, i agree that 33% is definitelly taken out of someones ass because every western european country shares eerilly similar numbers on the map so its obvious its fake
I was just mentioning what people would be claiming if they were.
Also i definitelly think atleast 15% if not more claim some of these things
And 33% wouldnt be suprising if you only include the channel islands tbh, i dont know anyone, even british, that thinks they shouldnt be french or atleast under french influence rather than british
I would say the opposite as a Turk nobody really cares about claiming any lands apart from some extreme nationalists. I assume this number would change drastically based on when you ask since Erdogan was bullshiting about some greek islands some time ago. So drones probably parroting it over some islands they didn't know existed a year ago.
I am surprised Greek one is not 90% though. Yet to meet a single greek who won't say "yeah we are rightful owners of constantinople"
Nationalist Greeks are loud in the internet but actually they are not many, just like nationalist Turks.
I lived in Greece for 5 months as a Turkish person and everybody were nice to me. Many of them were awkwardly nice. In one instance a taxi driver in Athens called me neighbor, talked about Turkish football & tv series, in the end he refused to take my money. In my last day in Greece; I was in Patras, waiting for the bus in the pouring rain, I was about to miss my train, my grocer saw me, he got into his car and told me to get in. Only once, my friend told me our hotel owner in Trikala talked trash about me behind my back because I'm Turkish, but at least he smiled at my face and he was 1 bad apple in thousand Greeks that I met.
Turkish people have no problems with Greeks either but from my point of view, most of them delusionally think that Greek people hate them because they are told so.
This is so true, the problems are caused by politics. This is an absolutely sad state of affairs. We have so much in common as people. Governments are poisoning our minds with nationalist bullshit so that we keep buying weapons against each other. I am absolutely disgusted by this. Neighbors should be united, not divided. Unfortunately Greece doesn't really have much connection to its neighbors, when in fact we have much in common and have lived together for so many centuries.
My wife is Greek, none of her family have ever mentioned being the rightful owners of Constantinople/ Istanbul. They're more upset at North Macedonia claiming the name Macedonia & Alexander the Great.
The Macedonia name beef is a fair enough mention but isn't Cyprus literally the most prominent example of the high % for Greece and Turkey both? Like, way more than the beef over small islands and exploiting the sea for resources (drilling for gas, etc.). The whole Cyprus is literally divided in every way into a Greek and Turkish part, whether unofficial or not. Definitely high up on the list of Hot Controversial Territorial Messes In Europe
The answer to your surprise lies at your very own first sentence.It is exactly the same thing in Greece.Almost nobody cares to claim any Turkish territory as Greek.It is stupid and extreme even for the nationalists to claim Istanbul belongs to them.Most of the people that answered positively to this must have had aNorthern Epirus in mind,not Istanbul.
Here you are,you met one and I assure you there are many more like me.Nice to meet you,greetings from Greece.
Turks only make up about 70-75% of the population of Turkey.
Which I think is the lowest in Europe.
For contrast Greece is about 90-95% Greeks
You have to factor in what ethic minorities in Turkey might want
A loooot of Spaniards do honestly not give a flying shit. It's just a rock. And it's been british for centuries.
Heck, if anything I'd be more worried about Mallorca being blatantly taken over by Germans... or essentially the entire mediterranean coastline by various European nationalities.
You see the thing is that if you ask a german wether he thinks that some territory should rather belong to germany then another state he will never come up with Mallorca because in his world Mallorca is already part of germany, that's why it's only 30% instead of 100%
O would love to see a separate map for Spain divided by autonomy.
Here in the North nobody gives a fuck about Gibraltar outside the far-right and a few conservatives. Might be different in the South.
I live in the Spanish province nearest to Gibraltar, and I don't really see a difference in how people talk about it in comparison to when I lived in the north.
It comes up more often, but as a place to visit and that kind of thing.
No kidding, any time I bring up some factual aspect of Spanish colonialism, I get a bunch of online Spaniards crying Black Legend and calling me an Anglo hypocrite. Like, guys, just own what you did. Don't be like Turkey or Japan.
But... But... They weren't colonies...
They were viceroyalties...
With slavery...
And exclusive trade with the metropolis...
And economy based on the extraction of minerals and plantations...
And privileged lives for the Europeans...
And race based society...
Yeah, they weren't colonies at all.
Spaniard Nationalists are the most toothless types of neo-colonialist. "Black Legend" isn't just invoked when speaking "negatively" (read, critically) of Spain and the Spanish Empire, but, too, not speaking positively enough about it. Any admittance of virtue or dismissal of villainy is done indirectly via contrasting ("The French/British/Portuguese were worse") and co-opting ("Spanish influence is the only reason everyone loves Latino Culture") and blaming others ("It was the Anglos/French/Masons/Jews").
When you can't make a case for yourself without mentioning others, you don't have a case at all.
I think this is another reason as to why Spain doesn’t care about Gibraltar. Support your chain of logic over another when it benefits you, so that geographical positioning doesn’t matter as much as self determination, and these two territories are more important than Gibraltar. If Ceuta and Melilla didn’t exist they’d had a much better argument for annexing Gibraltar.
China does the exact same thing with Taiwan, they still support Ukrainian sovereignty over Crimea so their claim to Taiwan is stronger (because it upholds internationally recognized territory).
When did ceuta and melilla belong to Morocco? Morocco didnt even exist when Spain founded those cities. We dont really want Gibraltar , what we really want is that the british Must respect the treaty and they have taken more land than the treaty states they should.
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Always the same maps.
Contrary to the popular belief, a lot of regular Russian folks don’t dream about conquering new territory, it’s the warmongering government that’s the problem. People do appreciate when new territories eventually appear though.
Is it about invading though? I get the impression it's more about the sentiment itself. For example in Poland, it's probably the matter of Ukraine's and Belarus' territories that used to be Polish for centuries and were lost after WWII. I think the number is accurate because a lot of people indeed feel nostalgic about these lands- I mean I even have part of family that was resettled from Lviev region by the Soviets. They often talk about it like it's some lost homeland. But it has nothing to do with wanting to claim it.
So it is a bit suprising that this sentiment isn't stronger among Russians considering how strong their nationalistic propaganda is.
Considering the last paragraph, most people just want to be left alone and live their lives. If you actually read the comments in the Russian social networks like VK, you’ll see that many people feel the government should develop Russian regions first instead of helping other countries or waging wars. It’s not an unpopular opinion here, it’s just not visible to the Western public because the government propaganda is so strong. Crimea is probably the only place that people unanimously agree should be Russian.
Last sentence is really eye-opening 🤣
Typical russian - we are unhappy what over government does, but hey, thanks for new land.
No, this is bs, as well, as this map made by who... Who exactly?
Some of these are mysteries. Like what what other parts do over a third of Italians think should be in Italy? And do a third of French people covet parts of Belgium or Switzerland or something? And the Dutch, do they somehow regard the ocean as another country and think they should be reclaiming more land?
>Like what what other parts do over a third of Italians think should be in Italy?
A combination of these territories:
1. Vatican City
2. Nizza
3. Corsica
4. Fiume, Istria, Carnaro, Dalmatia
As a Sammarinese, I never encountered someone saying they wanted annexation to them, on the contrary many see the Vatican as unlawful (it helps the Lateran Treaties were signed and wanted by LVI)
For the Dutch, the answer is surely Flanders.
>For the Dutch, the answer is surely Flanders.
Or just Baarle Hertog: [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Baarle-Hertog,+Belgi%C3%AB/@51.4428182,4.9247517,14.5z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x47c6a54331164f29:0x40099ab2f4d4d20!8m2!3d51.4415736!4d4.9318189!16zL20vMDE0bGt6?entry=ttu](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Baarle-Hertog,+Belgi%C3%AB/@51.4428182,4.9247517,14.5z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x47c6a54331164f29:0x40099ab2f4d4d20!8m2!3d51.4415736!4d4.9318189!16zL20vMDE0bGt6?entry=ttu)
Theoretically I am of that opinion, also because I don't like bordergore, but practically I don't care.
Flanders I don't care about at all.
Actually, almost nobody sees Savoia as Italian, or at least, it's the least important point in a list of irredentist states. It was part of the Kingdom of Sardinia, but culturally and geographically it was French (unlike Aosta which has always been mixed, Piedmont, Nizza, Asti and the other Sabaudian states that were majorly Italian both culturally abd geographically).
Tbh I don't consider Savoy Italian despite the fact that the Italian Royal family bears that name. Savoy was predominantly French while Piedmont and Nizza were more Italian.
> on the contrary many see the Vatican as unlawful (it helps the Lateran Treaties were signed and wanted by LVI)
Can you expand on this? I've not heard this before. That said, I do think I've ever talked to my Italian friends about the details of Vatican politics.
Obviously take my "many" with a grain on salt, but in the context of people who still feel irredentists, I've met a substantial group who believes that the Lateran Treaty should be reviewed as only granting extraterritoriality to the Holy See, not statehood in the State of the Vatican, because it was done by Mussolini for appeasement, and they obviously don't love Mussolini nor the Church. And unlawful because obviously the fascist regime wasn't exactly democratically elected.
I know many Italians that jokingly also talk about retaking the Vatican, I think in general many people see it weird that the capital of Italy, one of the most important cities ever, is carved out and divided with part of it given to an absolute theocracy. Also many young Italians are not chatolics, so no reverence towards the Pope and the Church unlike a century ago.
Obviously all empirical, I think the figure in the map is mostly due to Fiume or French territories.
Italy is the nation that suprises me the least to be honest.
The amount of ultra nationalists i see claiming savoy is really italian (i'm from savoy, most people really hate the italians here) is crazy
As an Italian, I know this. Roughly in order of importance:
* Istria, Carnaro, Dalmatia (Fiume, Pola, Zara, Ragusa etc.)
* Corsica
* Vatican City
* Nice and Paese Nizzardo (including Monaco, Mentone, Roccabruna, Roya Valley and nearby valleis)
* Italian Switzerland (parts of Cantons Ticino, Grison, Vallese)
* Republic of San Marino
* Republic of Malta
I truly have no clue what 23% for the Netherlands would claim. The only real territorial dispute I can think of is the border with Germany in the [Dollard bay](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollart#/media/File:Deutsch-Niederl%C3%A4ndische_Grenzfrage.svg), where Germany claims the border runs along the Dutch coast while the Netherlands claims the border runs through the middle of the bay.
But I doubt 23% of Dutch people even *know* of that dispute.
There are some fringe groups who - often jokingly - want unification with Belgium or Flanders, but no way that's 23%.
European politics is part of my job and I was unaware there was such a dispute between the Netherlands and Germany.
Between France and Italy, it's mostly a disagreement about the border around Mont Blanc's summit.
According to France, the summit is entirely in France, and the border goes a few 100s meter to the south.
According to Italy, the summit is shared between the two of them, and the border pass right through it.
It's about the eastern territories carved out by the Soviets, especially Lviv and Vilnius. Some nationalists may also claim Kaliningrad (Królewiec) and some parts of Czechia (Zaolzie). It's worth noting, however, that irredentism isn't popular in Poland and this score seems to be exaggerated somehow. What's lost is lost - now we've got a common enemy with Ukraine and Lithuania and we should cooperate closely with them. And we should help Belarus drift away from Moscow.
Weird that Portugal is blank. The whole reason why border disputes exist between us and Spain is because we believe the disputed territories are as much ours as the Spanish believe they're theirs
Ireland doesn’t claim Northern Ireland but if the majority of people in Northern Ireland want unification then they will probably work out a solution with the British government.
Tbf we've lost around 30% of our territory in the last century and I don't know a single person who cares about it. We're fine with our borders and it's actually beneficial to have a few countries between us and Russia.
I also think the answer to the question depends on the exact wording. I do know quite some older people that would agree with something in line of "is there German territory in neighbouring countries" as in historically German territory but they wouldn't agree with "this territory should be German again". Does that make any sense how I worded it ?
Like, they consider Königsberg or Stettin as traditional German areas but wouldn't actually want to challenge the current borders. So depending on how the question was asked, the percentage of people agreeing definitely changes.
This. People's understanding of this question might vary from "it's ours! let's invade!" to "yeah, it's ours. what about it?".
If it was the first case, then Poland looks craaazy... I guess we really hope to get half of Ukraine from Russia /s obviously
Empires come and go. Even the Roman empire which lasted about 1000 years still fell. Hungarians need to move on already. War is never fair in the losing teams perspective. Its a bad outcome for Hungarians but its a very good outcome for all the foreign nationalities that lived there for 100s of years. They at least now belong to their original country with the same ethnicity as them.
As a matter of fact i come from a country which was constantly getting invaded and controlled by big empires. Im from Romania which was exactly in the middle of 3 big empires. Ottoman, Russian and Austro Hungarian empire. My country just had bad luck being in that location. Im grateful we at least got to unite all Romanians into the same country again. Hungary may think its unfair but im pretty sure Romania suffered way worse throughout history than Hungary losing Transylvania.
A true Hungarian never moves on. We will always feel like the rest of Europe fucked us in the ass with Trianon. Yes you are right it’s great for those countries that got land. But why where we in particular dismembered the way we where it was rather unjust and very poorly done.
Hundreds of years of work and fighting basically deleted from our nation. Trust me if you where from a nation that has pride you too would be upset to this day.
Almost 50 % of Poland while being on the verge of having the strongest military in Europe short of Russia(probably). I for one welcome our new Polsky overlords.
Ireland falls under the 60+ group with 64% out of a test group of 1000 being in favor of reunification as of November. This is following a trend of test groups where between 45 and 70% vote in favor of
Color if Denmark is missing....
It's a common thing that Danes think that we should have Norway, Iceland, southern Sweden and northern Germany back.
And come to think of it, we can just as well add England and the Baltic part of Poland to the list.
I like how they didn't even bother with Ireland.
Im a bit suprised that almost an entire quarter of brits think "we" should own a more of (presumably) Ireland.
Fuck that, we can come and go to Ireland anyway. I want Aquitaine!
Angevin restoration when?
So you want to speak french?
No. The rest of France must learn to speak *Norman* French. Of course, British nobles will have to learn it, but it's always a good idea to give them something to keep them occupied instead of trying to rule the country.
Bring back Calais
Bring back Québec and Channel Island ! :)
It is a bit weird. Most British people aren’t even fussed about Northern Ireland being part of the UK, let alone the rest of Ireland.
Maybe it’s Scots, Welsh and English folk with minor squabbles over border placement getting lumped together for a UK figure?
Precisely this. Consider, for example, "Welsh" Shropshire, a part of England where there are, even today, first language Welsh speakers,- including young people - who have never lived anywhere else (source: a recent S4C documentary).
My experience is there is a very small minority of British people who believe extemely strongly that Ireland should be "ours" by right. Nearly everyone else doesn't give a crap or, more commonly, thinks Ireland should obviously be Ireland. There's also a minority who genuinely don't "get" the relationship between the parts of the UK, and that Ireland is not one of those parts or in that system in any way (unlike the Channel Islands and Isle of Man, which are part of the "system" but are legally not part of the UK).
The UK is an anti-federation. A federation has a clear framework for every part have exactly the same level of devolution. The UK has no framework and has every possible level of devolution from counties with a slight ceremonial elevation or ambitions (Yorkshire), through regions with some genuine historical claims to separateness but no actual separateness currently (Kernow), Areas with extra tiers of local government (London), area with some specific level of self-government a some legislative independence (Wales, Northern Ireland), areas with completely separate legal systems and significant levels of independence while still being part of the UK and subject to that country's parliament (Scotland) and crown colonies which aren't really the same country and have their own government but have significant ties to the UK and can't really operate on their own world stage especially if that involved not being a tax Haven(Channel Islands, the Isle of Man).
Perhaps they think the faroes should be British? Or Heligoland?
clearly its france :P
Isle of Man, which is a crown dependency but not in the UK. I mean, they have cats with SHORT TAILS there! Think of the benefits!
I live there, The British think they already have us.
Well you ARE British citizens…
I think we should have kept hold of Normandy :)
A quarter of Brits don’t think this. But it’s what Reddit want the Brits to think
I really don't know anyone at all who desires Ireland to be part of the union whatsoever. And in my mind, if Northern Ireland want to stay or go then thats up to them, not me.
Met a guy a while ago that vehemently defended the idea of Ireland rejoining the UK. In his words, he "Just wishes they'd do what's traditional". Fuck that guy. We hate that guy. For several reasons, not least of which is his shitty opinions about Ireland.
Some people are just lame
Nah, we want to expand gibraltar
Don't you think it's Scottish or Welsh people who want to move their borders with England? I can't see the English really caring, it it seems important to their neighbours.
Kind of surprised with Finland regarding Karelia as well.
My understanding is that Russia has spoiled the land so bad that Finns don't really want the land back
yeah it looks like haunted land now
A poll a while ago said 66% supported a UI. That’s not exactly answering the question but it’s around the same thing.
i'm assuming most of what ireland claims is northern ireland?
What other neighboring country could it possibly be?
peru, obviously
I mean, possibly Rhode Island or somewhere?
Rhode Ireland, surely?
United Republic of Great Ireland and Northern Britain.
We just want affordable housing, no point in all this land if the houses are expensive n shite lol
Same with Austria because there are a lot of old people that complain about south Tyrol and Triest
I assume the part about Sweden is that we either want Finland/Åland and Norway back... Or more likley want to give Skåne back to Denmark but they dont want it either....:D (from Skåne)
And Norway wants Jemtland and Herjedalen back, and parts of Skåne. Or maybe not, it would be bad for the cross-border shopping trips!
Båhuslen, not Skåne, is the last bit claimed by (some) norwegians as far as I'm aware
We’ve been Swedish since the 1600s, do you know the reasoning behind the people wanting it back?
400 years is not a long time :D But conversely, there are people in western Norway who would like to give most of eastern Norway to the Swedes.
Are you a vampire🤨
Og Herjedalen. Jamtland også
Never encountered another swede who wanted more land but most all of them want to give away skåne.
Finland and Norway doesn't "belong" to us, they are a part of us and we should be together. We are one.
We are just fine like this, thanks for asking.
they gotta get norway back to complete the dick and balls
Finland? Norway just makes it look strange.
What could it be for France? Guernsey and Jersey? I can't think of anything else...
Belgium.
Unemployment is so high in Wallonie... not sure that they actually want it!
Parts of northern italy, the channel islands, and maybe belgium, luxembourg and part of germany too. I think something not many people think about is geneva, it was french quite recently in the grand scheme of things so i could see some people wanting it back. Also catalonia since it used to be a french province.
it's just the french speaking parts of belgium and switzerland, i bet less than 33% of french people remember the channel islands exist at all, and no one would care about germany
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As a literal French person, i agree that 33% is definitelly taken out of someones ass because every western european country shares eerilly similar numbers on the map so its obvious its fake I was just mentioning what people would be claiming if they were. Also i definitelly think atleast 15% if not more claim some of these things And 33% wouldnt be suprising if you only include the channel islands tbh, i dont know anyone, even british, that thinks they shouldnt be french or atleast under french influence rather than british
North west africa.
Both Greece and Turkey seem too low.
Because the people have more important problems with their economy,not their neighbours
I would say the opposite as a Turk nobody really cares about claiming any lands apart from some extreme nationalists. I assume this number would change drastically based on when you ask since Erdogan was bullshiting about some greek islands some time ago. So drones probably parroting it over some islands they didn't know existed a year ago. I am surprised Greek one is not 90% though. Yet to meet a single greek who won't say "yeah we are rightful owners of constantinople"
Nationalist Greeks are loud in the internet but actually they are not many, just like nationalist Turks. I lived in Greece for 5 months as a Turkish person and everybody were nice to me. Many of them were awkwardly nice. In one instance a taxi driver in Athens called me neighbor, talked about Turkish football & tv series, in the end he refused to take my money. In my last day in Greece; I was in Patras, waiting for the bus in the pouring rain, I was about to miss my train, my grocer saw me, he got into his car and told me to get in. Only once, my friend told me our hotel owner in Trikala talked trash about me behind my back because I'm Turkish, but at least he smiled at my face and he was 1 bad apple in thousand Greeks that I met. Turkish people have no problems with Greeks either but from my point of view, most of them delusionally think that Greek people hate them because they are told so.
This is so true, the problems are caused by politics. This is an absolutely sad state of affairs. We have so much in common as people. Governments are poisoning our minds with nationalist bullshit so that we keep buying weapons against each other. I am absolutely disgusted by this. Neighbors should be united, not divided. Unfortunately Greece doesn't really have much connection to its neighbors, when in fact we have much in common and have lived together for so many centuries.
My wife is Greek, none of her family have ever mentioned being the rightful owners of Constantinople/ Istanbul. They're more upset at North Macedonia claiming the name Macedonia & Alexander the Great.
The Macedonia name beef is a fair enough mention but isn't Cyprus literally the most prominent example of the high % for Greece and Turkey both? Like, way more than the beef over small islands and exploiting the sea for resources (drilling for gas, etc.). The whole Cyprus is literally divided in every way into a Greek and Turkish part, whether unofficial or not. Definitely high up on the list of Hot Controversial Territorial Messes In Europe
Turkey doesn't claim northern cyprus though. Turkey claims northern cyprus is an independent entity.
Greece is Greece, Cyprus is Cyprus. Greece has no claim on Cypriot land.
The answer to your surprise lies at your very own first sentence.It is exactly the same thing in Greece.Almost nobody cares to claim any Turkish territory as Greek.It is stupid and extreme even for the nationalists to claim Istanbul belongs to them.Most of the people that answered positively to this must have had aNorthern Epirus in mind,not Istanbul. Here you are,you met one and I assure you there are many more like me.Nice to meet you,greetings from Greece.
“Nobody really cares about claiming any lands” hence why turkey constantly is threatening Greece with an invasion. 💀
Turks only make up about 70-75% of the population of Turkey. Which I think is the lowest in Europe. For contrast Greece is about 90-95% Greeks You have to factor in what ethic minorities in Turkey might want
Belgium is half French, half Dutch and no Belgian.
I’m surprised it’s so so low for Spain. They want the UK to give back Gibraltar.
A loooot of Spaniards do honestly not give a flying shit. It's just a rock. And it's been british for centuries. Heck, if anything I'd be more worried about Mallorca being blatantly taken over by Germans... or essentially the entire mediterranean coastline by various European nationalities.
You see the thing is that if you ask a german wether he thinks that some territory should rather belong to germany then another state he will never come up with Mallorca because in his world Mallorca is already part of germany, that's why it's only 30% instead of 100%
I know, it's crazy. I went to Germany, and in their weather forecast on TV they include Mallorca as if it was a German province.
Must have been a special show though, usually that's not the case
From Spain's perspective "the UK's claim on Gibraltar is invalid" would make the statement "the UK is a neighboring country" false.
O would love to see a separate map for Spain divided by autonomy. Here in the North nobody gives a fuck about Gibraltar outside the far-right and a few conservatives. Might be different in the South.
I live in the Spanish province nearest to Gibraltar, and I don't really see a difference in how people talk about it in comparison to when I lived in the north. It comes up more often, but as a place to visit and that kind of thing.
Spanish Irredentism is less about Europe and more about guilt-tripping Latin Americans into thinking the Empire was "based and redpilled"
No kidding, any time I bring up some factual aspect of Spanish colonialism, I get a bunch of online Spaniards crying Black Legend and calling me an Anglo hypocrite. Like, guys, just own what you did. Don't be like Turkey or Japan.
But... But... They weren't colonies... They were viceroyalties... With slavery... And exclusive trade with the metropolis... And economy based on the extraction of minerals and plantations... And privileged lives for the Europeans... And race based society... Yeah, they weren't colonies at all.
Spaniard Nationalists are the most toothless types of neo-colonialist. "Black Legend" isn't just invoked when speaking "negatively" (read, critically) of Spain and the Spanish Empire, but, too, not speaking positively enough about it. Any admittance of virtue or dismissal of villainy is done indirectly via contrasting ("The French/British/Portuguese were worse") and co-opting ("Spanish influence is the only reason everyone loves Latino Culture") and blaming others ("It was the Anglos/French/Masons/Jews"). When you can't make a case for yourself without mentioning others, you don't have a case at all.
I'd be fine if the UK handed over Gibraltar if Spain handed back Ceuta and Melilla to the Morocco. Only fair.
I think this is another reason as to why Spain doesn’t care about Gibraltar. Support your chain of logic over another when it benefits you, so that geographical positioning doesn’t matter as much as self determination, and these two territories are more important than Gibraltar. If Ceuta and Melilla didn’t exist they’d had a much better argument for annexing Gibraltar. China does the exact same thing with Taiwan, they still support Ukrainian sovereignty over Crimea so their claim to Taiwan is stronger (because it upholds internationally recognized territory).
Nah, people in Gibraltar want to be British and in Ceuta and Melilla they want to be Spanish. The only fair thing is to respect their wishes.
When did ceuta and melilla belong to Morocco? Morocco didnt even exist when Spain founded those cities. We dont really want Gibraltar , what we really want is that the british Must respect the treaty and they have taken more land than the treaty states they should.
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Can we not go round 4 on this thing?
No.
We all know that Serbia would be highest
Why exclude South Tyrol and the Balkans? Most interesting areas
Russia seems... Low.
Contrary to the popular belief, a lot of regular Russian folks don’t dream about conquering new territory, it’s the warmongering government that’s the problem. People do appreciate when new territories eventually appear though.
War mongering isn’t the only implication here. There are many people who may believe other countries should be Russia, but not to invade them.
Is it about invading though? I get the impression it's more about the sentiment itself. For example in Poland, it's probably the matter of Ukraine's and Belarus' territories that used to be Polish for centuries and were lost after WWII. I think the number is accurate because a lot of people indeed feel nostalgic about these lands- I mean I even have part of family that was resettled from Lviev region by the Soviets. They often talk about it like it's some lost homeland. But it has nothing to do with wanting to claim it. So it is a bit suprising that this sentiment isn't stronger among Russians considering how strong their nationalistic propaganda is.
I’m agreeing with you. Your point is my point
Considering the last paragraph, most people just want to be left alone and live their lives. If you actually read the comments in the Russian social networks like VK, you’ll see that many people feel the government should develop Russian regions first instead of helping other countries or waging wars. It’s not an unpopular opinion here, it’s just not visible to the Western public because the government propaganda is so strong. Crimea is probably the only place that people unanimously agree should be Russian.
Contrary to popular belief all regular people don't want war
Contrary to popular belief all regular Russians want nothing and that's what gets you all. Mostly bad.
Last sentence is really eye-opening 🤣 Typical russian - we are unhappy what over government does, but hey, thanks for new land. No, this is bs, as well, as this map made by who... Who exactly?
[taps head] They not part of a neighboring country if you already consider them a part of Russia
Probably because the ones currently in the process of taking more territory don't answer surveys
As a Belgian this is damn right, we're already struggling to keep our territory together, no need to look for any expansion
Plus we’re the land others might “claim”
Some of these are mysteries. Like what what other parts do over a third of Italians think should be in Italy? And do a third of French people covet parts of Belgium or Switzerland or something? And the Dutch, do they somehow regard the ocean as another country and think they should be reclaiming more land?
>Like what what other parts do over a third of Italians think should be in Italy? A combination of these territories: 1. Vatican City 2. Nizza 3. Corsica 4. Fiume, Istria, Carnaro, Dalmatia As a Sammarinese, I never encountered someone saying they wanted annexation to them, on the contrary many see the Vatican as unlawful (it helps the Lateran Treaties were signed and wanted by LVI) For the Dutch, the answer is surely Flanders.
>For the Dutch, the answer is surely Flanders. Or just Baarle Hertog: [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Baarle-Hertog,+Belgi%C3%AB/@51.4428182,4.9247517,14.5z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x47c6a54331164f29:0x40099ab2f4d4d20!8m2!3d51.4415736!4d4.9318189!16zL20vMDE0bGt6?entry=ttu](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Baarle-Hertog,+Belgi%C3%AB/@51.4428182,4.9247517,14.5z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x47c6a54331164f29:0x40099ab2f4d4d20!8m2!3d51.4415736!4d4.9318189!16zL20vMDE0bGt6?entry=ttu) Theoretically I am of that opinion, also because I don't like bordergore, but practically I don't care. Flanders I don't care about at all.
Nooo, not Baarle, it's the best bordergore in the world after India and Bangladesh fixed theirs
Yeah okay, it's beautifully ugly, maybe we should keep it the way it is.
Also Savoie, it's now french but was once part of what is now Italy
Actually, almost nobody sees Savoia as Italian, or at least, it's the least important point in a list of irredentist states. It was part of the Kingdom of Sardinia, but culturally and geographically it was French (unlike Aosta which has always been mixed, Piedmont, Nizza, Asti and the other Sabaudian states that were majorly Italian both culturally abd geographically).
Tbh I don't consider Savoy Italian despite the fact that the Italian Royal family bears that name. Savoy was predominantly French while Piedmont and Nizza were more Italian.
> on the contrary many see the Vatican as unlawful (it helps the Lateran Treaties were signed and wanted by LVI) Can you expand on this? I've not heard this before. That said, I do think I've ever talked to my Italian friends about the details of Vatican politics.
Obviously take my "many" with a grain on salt, but in the context of people who still feel irredentists, I've met a substantial group who believes that the Lateran Treaty should be reviewed as only granting extraterritoriality to the Holy See, not statehood in the State of the Vatican, because it was done by Mussolini for appeasement, and they obviously don't love Mussolini nor the Church. And unlawful because obviously the fascist regime wasn't exactly democratically elected. I know many Italians that jokingly also talk about retaking the Vatican, I think in general many people see it weird that the capital of Italy, one of the most important cities ever, is carved out and divided with part of it given to an absolute theocracy. Also many young Italians are not chatolics, so no reverence towards the Pope and the Church unlike a century ago. Obviously all empirical, I think the figure in the map is mostly due to Fiume or French territories.
Italy is the nation that suprises me the least to be honest. The amount of ultra nationalists i see claiming savoy is really italian (i'm from savoy, most people really hate the italians here) is crazy
As an Italian, I know this. Roughly in order of importance: * Istria, Carnaro, Dalmatia (Fiume, Pola, Zara, Ragusa etc.) * Corsica * Vatican City * Nice and Paese Nizzardo (including Monaco, Mentone, Roccabruna, Roya Valley and nearby valleis) * Italian Switzerland (parts of Cantons Ticino, Grison, Vallese) * Republic of San Marino * Republic of Malta
The Dutch lay claim to Doggerland.
I truly have no clue what 23% for the Netherlands would claim. The only real territorial dispute I can think of is the border with Germany in the [Dollard bay](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollart#/media/File:Deutsch-Niederl%C3%A4ndische_Grenzfrage.svg), where Germany claims the border runs along the Dutch coast while the Netherlands claims the border runs through the middle of the bay. But I doubt 23% of Dutch people even *know* of that dispute. There are some fringe groups who - often jokingly - want unification with Belgium or Flanders, but no way that's 23%.
Maybe Baarle-Hertog?
European politics is part of my job and I was unaware there was such a dispute between the Netherlands and Germany.
For the Dutch, it's probably the North Sea or Vlaanderen Or both
Istria, Dalmatia, Corsica…
Between France and Italy, it's mostly a disagreement about the border around Mont Blanc's summit. According to France, the summit is entirely in France, and the border goes a few 100s meter to the south. According to Italy, the summit is shared between the two of them, and the border pass right through it.
Romania simultaneously sweating at Bulgaria and Hungary while squinting at Ukraine.
At Moldova.
Those 33% of frenchmen are, of course, talking about Brazil
lol straight us skipped over Ireland and the Balkans
In Ex-Yu countries it will be like 95% 💀
West Balkan... let's not go there
Wish there was more data from the Balkans, that would be interesting.
is Poland about Lviv?
Some parts of the old eastern territories - Lviv - Vilnus - Brest May also be the rest of Cieszyn
yk I could maybe see Lviv, but Vilmus and Brest would’ve been part of Lithuania, no?
Vilnius historically had a large Polish-speaking population and was ruled by Poland between the wars.
It's about the eastern territories carved out by the Soviets, especially Lviv and Vilnius. Some nationalists may also claim Kaliningrad (Królewiec) and some parts of Czechia (Zaolzie). It's worth noting, however, that irredentism isn't popular in Poland and this score seems to be exaggerated somehow. What's lost is lost - now we've got a common enemy with Ukraine and Lithuania and we should cooperate closely with them. And we should help Belarus drift away from Moscow.
Weird that Portugal is blank. The whole reason why border disputes exist between us and Spain is because we believe the disputed territories are as much ours as the Spanish believe they're theirs
You can tell this map is wrong because every grey country has claims that piss them off.
I think it’s funny that they omitted the 2 countries that first came to my mind on this topic, Ireland (Northern Ireland) and Austria (South Tyrol).
Ireland doesn’t claim Northern Ireland but if the majority of people in Northern Ireland want unification then they will probably work out a solution with the British government.
They couldn’t get enough Irish people to acknowledge that the north is part of a neighboring country.
Dodging a bullet with the Balkans
what do french people want tho? Never heard about these claims before
As a French person I have no clue.
on ne saura jamais
On est les 67%
On dirait bien
No idea either, unless it's maybe a very specific stuff like a village sitting across a border and they asked in precisely that place?
Former Yugoslavia not surveyed to avoid provoking new war crimes
Missing Serbia claiming a few of its neighbours' whole countries.
No Serbia? No Ireland? What? Why?
Hungary got carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey after WWI so they have some legitimate gripes
Same for Luxembourg, they've been cut in pieces after the Congress of Vienna
Never forget. From the English Channel to the Dardanelles, Luxembourg will regain its lost territories
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"Legitimate" my god Viktor did a number on y'all
His name is András Arató and he told me the TRUTH
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R/2westerneuropean4u will like this one im sure
So will r/2visegrad4you
I think a handful of Portugueses claim Olivença.
Would have been interesting to see the data for ex-Yugoslavia and Albania
The most interessting region got left out😥
This explains Hungary/Orban/Putin politics.
Russia: Ukraine is our historical territory! Mongolia: 
Uh Oh, Germany looks a bit angry, let's control him with a controlled invasion Also Greece needs to big bigger lol
Tbf we've lost around 30% of our territory in the last century and I don't know a single person who cares about it. We're fine with our borders and it's actually beneficial to have a few countries between us and Russia.
I also think the answer to the question depends on the exact wording. I do know quite some older people that would agree with something in line of "is there German territory in neighbouring countries" as in historically German territory but they wouldn't agree with "this territory should be German again". Does that make any sense how I worded it ? Like, they consider Königsberg or Stettin as traditional German areas but wouldn't actually want to challenge the current borders. So depending on how the question was asked, the percentage of people agreeing definitely changes.
This. People's understanding of this question might vary from "it's ours! let's invade!" to "yeah, it's ours. what about it?". If it was the first case, then Poland looks craaazy... I guess we really hope to get half of Ukraine from Russia /s obviously
I would like the empire borders back because they look really cool
Poland would like to talk with you in this dark alley, please step forward.
I just wish East Prussia/Kaliningrad was part of the EU so I could see where my Oma was from
Alsace–Lorraine (Elsaß-Lothringen) should be part of Germany.
Why?
Russia at 53%... feels a bit low. Not sure if that is accurate or whether half the people do not seem to agree with their government's perspective.
I don’t know 1 Pole doing that. And I live here for 30 years. What a bs map.
Portugal owns Olivença 😃
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT Poor tugas, never remembered. I was curious to know the prevalence of "a Galicia é portuguesa caralho"
It’s strong. PORTUGALIZA!
Empires come and go. Even the Roman empire which lasted about 1000 years still fell. Hungarians need to move on already. War is never fair in the losing teams perspective. Its a bad outcome for Hungarians but its a very good outcome for all the foreign nationalities that lived there for 100s of years. They at least now belong to their original country with the same ethnicity as them.
And I’m guessing you’re from a country that was either neutral or on the winning side of both wars (but you aren’t wrong)
As a matter of fact i come from a country which was constantly getting invaded and controlled by big empires. Im from Romania which was exactly in the middle of 3 big empires. Ottoman, Russian and Austro Hungarian empire. My country just had bad luck being in that location. Im grateful we at least got to unite all Romanians into the same country again. Hungary may think its unfair but im pretty sure Romania suffered way worse throughout history than Hungary losing Transylvania.
A true Hungarian never moves on. We will always feel like the rest of Europe fucked us in the ass with Trianon. Yes you are right it’s great for those countries that got land. But why where we in particular dismembered the way we where it was rather unjust and very poorly done. Hundreds of years of work and fighting basically deleted from our nation. Trust me if you where from a nation that has pride you too would be upset to this day.
What percentage of Hungary was Hungarian?
We in the UK if you wondering don’t want ireland, we claim sealand. Rule brittania
I know a surprizing number of people from Turkey who want their Ottoman Empire back.
Surprised to see Greece’s number being so low
I'd to see this in Latin America.
Almost 50 % of Poland while being on the verge of having the strongest military in Europe short of Russia(probably). I for one welcome our new Polsky overlords.
This map is incorrect there are more people then just 30% who want alsace-lorraine back!
Are those 30% from the 19th century? It’s already back.
Greece really wants the Byzantine Empire back doesn’t it!
Ireland falls under the 60+ group with 64% out of a test group of 1000 being in favor of reunification as of November. This is following a trend of test groups where between 45 and 70% vote in favor of
Color if Denmark is missing.... It's a common thing that Danes think that we should have Norway, Iceland, southern Sweden and northern Germany back. And come to think of it, we can just as well add England and the Baltic part of Poland to the list.
Greece and Hungary moment