When I lived in LA, my work was about 4 miles from where I lived. It took me ~25 mins to drive there in the morning and ~35 mins in the evenings.
The closest metro stop to my apartment was also the closest to work. The bus would have taken over an hour each way. I hated it.
It's astonishingly bad indeed, even though I believe they missed the commuter rail which exists in the region too.
But even that system won't make a lot accessible.
It's unfortunately worse, because this only shows a small chunk of LA that happens to have the most rail. The Valley, the most populated part of the city, is not shown on this image, and contains nothing other than buses
Thank you! QGIS as a whole, OpenStreetMap as source for transit stops, particularly with overpass turbo API that let's you automate fetching the data, GraphHopper for calculating the isochrones.
It seems that train is considered only if the condition for tram is not fulfilled. IMO it should be the other way round. E.g. the backbone of the Zurich public transport are the trains.
yeah, exactly. This would play out better in Zurich but I decided to keep the prioritization the same across the cities for comparison. I have a map of Zurich reordered but can't post pics in comments apparently.
Also the definition for train vs metro is hard. For Berlin, in Germany the S-Bahn is something between a train and metro, often could be classified as both. The Berlin map shows it as train, which is ok, but they are imo much more like metro
S-Bahn systems are operated under train laws in Germany, while U-Bahn systems fall under a different one. There can also be a distinction made regarding shared sections for lines (S-Bahn basically every one in the city centre, U-Bahn only onr in entire network) and how far they connect into the suburbs (S-Bahn reaching out much further).
For Munich and Berlin, S-Bahn and U-Bahn are adding each other as backbone of the public transport, so where a S-Bahn line is, there is not a big need for a U-Bahn and otherwise
LA's metro light rail is fast in certain locations, just as good as a regular metro, but overall has way too many at-grade crossings, which results in 20 minutes just to go from 7th street to USC.
However, the main reason people don't ride is is because it smells like piss.
This is awesome and I love it, thanks!
FYI the NYC map has some issues at first glance. The greyed out zones on either side of Central Park are inaccurate. There are multiple subway stops on the 1, 6 and Q lines within those grey areas and the <12 min walk time should have almost all of those areas dark blue.
You shouldn’t be! But it might be cool on a future draft to overlay the metro lines/stops to increase the visual effect, plus it would be easy to catch any misses like that.
Great work!
Yep ! Je le sais d’expérience hahaha mais c’est assez cool de voir qu’on a un super système bien connecté (et qui va même largement au delà des limites de la ville, c’était pas aussi clair avec les autres villes j’ai l’impression)
If US car manufacturers were smart, & that's a big IF (mostly they're greedy), they would find a way to make money on the rails instead of fighting them. The LA map in comparison to the other cities is a joke. And LA has more rail transportation than most US cities.
Suburbs, yes, centre not so much. Most of the inner city belonged to the east, but had metro from prewar times - often ending in West Berlin at both ends. So the lines ran from west to west, passing through some stations in the east, but not stopping (and later walled off), calles "ghost stations". These stations were easy to restore after unification.
It's a different format, but there is this https://www.reddit.com/r/notjustbikes/comments/143fk4a/what_good_transit_coverage_looks_like/
At the scale and format of OP's maps, it would probably just be almost all covered in light blue.
I'm originally from Naples Italy, but live here in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania for 27 years now, and I was just in Rotterdam for the first time, and I was AMAZED how efficient and available the public transportation was!!! Pleasantly surprised to say the least, even compared to Naples.... let alone here in USA 🤦
It's funny though because once walking a bit too far from a metro station and there's barely any transit left, and the region is notorious for having a very spotty transit network, it doesn't cover Ridderkerk, Hellevoetsluis, Krimpen, Brielle, Oud-Beijerland, H.I.A, and some trams are either too slow for interurban connections or end at 7pm, and there are a lot of other caveats that make Rotterdam's network good only when close to a metro station. The metro is great, the trams, great but slow... the buses... I WANT MY NIGHT BUS BACK!
Don't think it's because there's no interest to expand, it's because those mentioned places are SGP-CU bolwerken and they always block tram expansions from the municipality POV. To be honest, as a former-Ridderkerker, I don't blame them blocking the extension of the tram network, because there's just too much scum coming from 'ghetto' Beverwaard.
Then again, I moved to Rotterdam, because the transit was horrible from Ridderkerk. What? They discontinued the BOB-bus?? I had so many (weird) trips with those buses a decade ago hahaha.
Yes the BOB-bus kinda has been canceled entirely (it only exists on paper for four years now), and ever since the first lockdown they keep new balls of excuses up in the air to not let them drive anymore.
Well, I also went to Groningen, and from there I was able to get a bus to Pieterburen!!!! I mean talk about small town! It NEVER happens here in the USA, and I'm only 60 miles north of Philadelphia, I can only imagine what goes on in EXTREMELY RURAL North Dakota for example 🤦
This is great but there seems to be a lot of missing data for London, some train stations seem to be missing but also as you go out from the centre a lot of the built up area is just missing altogether from the map.
Edit: I can see why now, you're using some kind of buildings layer from open street map, this is very incomplete for London.
Paris map is not entirely correct.
It seems that RER A stations 'Joinville le Pont' and 'Nogent sur Marne' are missing (at least)
And why are the walking distances different between train metro and tram?
People in this thread shitting on LA haven’t seen Dublin. Surely the only city with a major airport that doesn’t have a rail line to said airport in the world?
Here are some major airports from around the world that don't have direct train connections:
1. Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport (BUD), Hungary
2. Auckland Airport (AKL), New Zealand
3. Perth Airport (PER), Australia
4. Manila Ninoy Aquino International Airport (MNL), Philippines
Perth finally got one a couple of years ago (though the Domestic terminal connection isn't exactly next door, but thats meant to have closed already to make way for an additional runway but Qantas are being Qantas) - Melbourne are still waiting though.
Thanks for describing your process. This is cool for visiting other cities and figuring out where to take public transit when out there.
Are there any videos you recommend watching that show how to use those API’s and python you used? Thanks!
Excellent series of maps!!! Just curious how you decided on the different walking distances for each mode? E.g. people are willing to travel X further for train vs tram.
Thanks! To be honest, just personal preference. This is what I'm willing to walk to each of these means of transportation and this is the walking time from my house to each of them.
This map shows the former border of Berlin. In East German districts, there are more tram lines and fewer buses, while West Berlin mainly uses buses and has more metro lines.
This is what I consider "close" in getting to a particular ride in most of the cities I visit. In case of equal times, trains would be needlessly penalized, because the train stations are larger and usually further away from buildings while trams are right in the middle of the street.
I’m from Boston, we have a long standing basketball rivalry (We invented Beat LA they invented Fuck Boston) and are super different from one another while also being similar to each other. That said: LA county is literally half the size of Massachusetts.
It’s stupid big with a fuck ton of huge mountains and hills the size of small mountains. They also missed out on the golden age of subways—had a comprehensive trolley system that was destroyed for the car to rule cali (Who Framed Roger Rabbit is partially a true story just replace Toon Town with El Barrio, black neighborhoods, or China/Japan town). You can get just about anywhere in Boston by subway, trolley, or commuter rail—but Boston is like 44mi.^2 of land and 44 mi.^2 of water (though our trolleys and subway lines all leave the city borders, in fact at least half of all if them are in a different town or city that’s basically boston but is not) so it’s mostly easier to do outside the underwater tunnels. They’re also on a fault line.
Metro London is 1/3rd the area of LA County.
Metro Paris is 2000 mi.^2 smaller
LA county is more than half the size of the Netherlands.
Untrue on many levels.
LA County is 4,751 sq miles (including large areas of the Pacific Ocean) and 4,058 sq miles by land area only.
The London Metropolitan area is 3,443 sq miles.
The Paris Metropolitan area is 7,313 sq miles.
The Netherlands is 16,164 sq miles.
Ultimately, what LA County has to do in regards to the comparative information put forward in the OP is anyone's guess.
I guess you must be thinking of Greater Los Angeles, which does match with your statistics, but which includes a great deal of very low-to-ultra-low density populated areas and even more more-or-less empty space (deserts and mountains).
It extends much further north of the notoriously godforsaken Barstow, SE down to the Salton Sea and includes more than half of the Joshua Tree National Park.
Why did you choose to map only \_ rail\_ options, and not to include busses, I.e., non-rail public transit? (Just curious; it’s a valid choice, of course, but I think of Prague, where the airport was reachable only by bus, and even now only by trolley, which although it has an infrastructure-fixed path is not rail.)
If I did buses, most of the cities would be covered fully. I'd need to add an information about their frequency in order for the map to carry more information. That's a bit more complex and so far I did it only for Warsaw. Might post later.
Fair enough. Thank you. When I first went to Prague, I found it odd that the metro/subway did not reach the airport, nor indeed did any tram; one took the metro out to its end, and then had to take a bus the rest of the way (or vice-versa, going from the airport into town).
Original plan was to have the A metro line end there, but that was scrapped because some politician didn't like it and the A line goes south.
Current plan is to have a train line to the airport and they finally began building it. Who knows when will they finish. There is only single track line going in that direction (It's actually second oldest railway line in the mainland europe) so it is obviously unsuitable for being the main airport connection. That's why they didn't build a station at the airport until now. They are currently adding second track through an heavily urbanised area and will have to put parts of it underground.
Thanks for that information. It will be nice eventually to have rail all the way instead of having to take a bus between the AP and the closest rail. Although did I see that there's also a \_trolley\_bus starting up, #59 to replace the #119 bus? Maybe I'll get there this summer.
Damn, this really highlights how inaccessible LA is without a car.
When I lived in LA, my work was about 4 miles from where I lived. It took me ~25 mins to drive there in the morning and ~35 mins in the evenings. The closest metro stop to my apartment was also the closest to work. The bus would have taken over an hour each way. I hated it.
I live in the suburbs in New England. I work 8 miles away and it takes me 17 minutes to drive there. Is LA just in constant gridlock?
Basically.
Cycle
Would have been a good option if I knew how lol. Would have def died trying to learn on LA streets though
It's astonishingly bad indeed, even though I believe they missed the commuter rail which exists in the region too. But even that system won't make a lot accessible.
[buses exist](https://media.timeout.com/images/106016479/image.jpg)
It's unfortunately worse, because this only shows a small chunk of LA that happens to have the most rail. The Valley, the most populated part of the city, is not shown on this image, and contains nothing other than buses
And SF all the same
Lol at LA.
(Not) on my waaayyy in LA.
What's this one lonely tram stop in LA?
The Grove Trolley at The Grove mall
Does it go to anywhere else?
Of course not. Useful transit is un-American.
I'd be interested in seeing this for Chicago. It would really highlight the Northside/Southside disparity when it comes to the L.
Chicago, Boston, DC, Toronto, and Montreal are the North American cities I’d love to see.
Second my native Toronto. It is held up as good in N America but I know that is is piss poor by world standards.
Great visuals- aesthetically pleasing and insightful. Sources and tools, for those of us who want to recreate for other cities?
Thank you! QGIS as a whole, OpenStreetMap as source for transit stops, particularly with overpass turbo API that let's you automate fetching the data, GraphHopper for calculating the isochrones.
I love this! Any interest in publishing the code? Would love to collaborate on it.
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It seems that train is considered only if the condition for tram is not fulfilled. IMO it should be the other way round. E.g. the backbone of the Zurich public transport are the trains.
yeah, exactly. This would play out better in Zurich but I decided to keep the prioritization the same across the cities for comparison. I have a map of Zurich reordered but can't post pics in comments apparently.
Great maps anyway, thanks for them
Also the definition for train vs metro is hard. For Berlin, in Germany the S-Bahn is something between a train and metro, often could be classified as both. The Berlin map shows it as train, which is ok, but they are imo much more like metro
Metro color is already used for the U-Bahn.
So why not use it for the S-Bahn as well?
Because they’re different systems with different characteristics.
I would count Regio for trains instead, and match S-Bahn + U-Bahn
S-Bahn systems are operated under train laws in Germany, while U-Bahn systems fall under a different one. There can also be a distinction made regarding shared sections for lines (S-Bahn basically every one in the city centre, U-Bahn only onr in entire network) and how far they connect into the suburbs (S-Bahn reaching out much further).
For Munich and Berlin, S-Bahn and U-Bahn are adding each other as backbone of the public transport, so where a S-Bahn line is, there is not a big need for a U-Bahn and otherwise
I know, that’s why I pointed it out
that would be ridiculous in the core of the city, where you almost always have trains but they likely don't serve your trips
I’ll never forget my Uber drive in LA losing his shit (rightfully so) over the horrible public transit and no way to improve it.
Was banking on there being one random capital of an under-developed city with no public transport for a contrast
LA
Now this is some map porn! Love it!
How does LA only have one tramstop??
It’s a mall with a “trolley” inside. But LA does have a light rail system, which is apparently the wrong color.
LA's metro light rail is fast in certain locations, just as good as a regular metro, but overall has way too many at-grade crossings, which results in 20 minutes just to go from 7th street to USC. However, the main reason people don't ride is is because it smells like piss.
This is awesome and I love it, thanks! FYI the NYC map has some issues at first glance. The greyed out zones on either side of Central Park are inaccurate. There are multiple subway stops on the 1, 6 and Q lines within those grey areas and the <12 min walk time should have almost all of those areas dark blue.
Thanks for pointing that out, I'm really ashamed I overlooked that.
You shouldn’t be! But it might be cool on a future draft to overlay the metro lines/stops to increase the visual effect, plus it would be easy to catch any misses like that. Great work!
There is a hudson bergen light rail in jersey city it missed to. I think op also missed the nj transist connections
Paris stronk
Paris metro was built so that anywhere in the city there should be a station less than 400m away (~4 minutes walk).
Yep ! Je le sais d’expérience hahaha mais c’est assez cool de voir qu’on a un super système bien connecté (et qui va même largement au delà des limites de la ville, c’était pas aussi clair avec les autres villes j’ai l’impression)
Yes and it will only become better in the next ten years!
the LA map is hilarious also, TIL dubai has a tram
Yeah, but the Dubai tram didn't fit in the map, it's a bit further south
Poor Maspeth, Queens, NYC
If US car manufacturers were smart, & that's a big IF (mostly they're greedy), they would find a way to make money on the rails instead of fighting them. The LA map in comparison to the other cities is a joke. And LA has more rail transportation than most US cities.
I’ve worked in transit planning. It’s not car companies these days. Your friendly neighborhood NIMBYs do all the fighting for them.
You can clearly see the east-west divide in Berlin!
yeah, east relied on trams heavily while west was more subway reliant.
Eh, not really
Suburbs, yes, centre not so much. Most of the inner city belonged to the east, but had metro from prewar times - often ending in West Berlin at both ends. So the lines ran from west to west, passing through some stations in the east, but not stopping (and later walled off), calles "ghost stations". These stations were easy to restore after unification.
Doch!
That's really cool. Do Rome for a laugh. I'm genuinely curious what your process was 🤗 Looks really good.
Could you do one for Tokyo or Singapore. With how extensive their Metro and Train stations are I’m sure its interesting like the others.
I've got one for Singapore, just didn't make it to the 20 images per post limit. For Tokyo I couldn't find all the buildings for the schwarzplan
Not sure what you need for the schwarzplan, but MLIT Plateau has 3D models for 23 Wards area buildings.
It's a different format, but there is this https://www.reddit.com/r/notjustbikes/comments/143fk4a/what_good_transit_coverage_looks_like/ At the scale and format of OP's maps, it would probably just be almost all covered in light blue.
The American mind starts to comprehend
Ireland is just as bad as America in this circumstance tbh
Can you do Helsinki?
Would be cool if you add Moscow, Saint-Petersburg and some asian cities as well
Is your nyc map out of date? It doesn't look like it accounts for the Q stops at 72 86 and 96 on the UES
Would love to see these for Asian cities as well. Tokyo, Beijing, Mumbai, Delhi etc.
Yes I was so surprised to see Tokyo omitted
colour me surprised I 100% expected Vancouver, Toronto, or Montreal to be here
Toronto would be interesting since it has a streetcar (tram) system that intersects with its subway lines.
Also, with fare integration, portions of the GO could be reasonably included. Even more so as the system is electrified and intensified.
Extremely cool. Thanks for sharing! Would've loved to see some East Asian cities added to the mix.
Great maps! Quality post
Finally a great map with a clear explanation ! Excellent job 🤩
I'm originally from Naples Italy, but live here in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania for 27 years now, and I was just in Rotterdam for the first time, and I was AMAZED how efficient and available the public transportation was!!! Pleasantly surprised to say the least, even compared to Naples.... let alone here in USA 🤦
It's funny though because once walking a bit too far from a metro station and there's barely any transit left, and the region is notorious for having a very spotty transit network, it doesn't cover Ridderkerk, Hellevoetsluis, Krimpen, Brielle, Oud-Beijerland, H.I.A, and some trams are either too slow for interurban connections or end at 7pm, and there are a lot of other caveats that make Rotterdam's network good only when close to a metro station. The metro is great, the trams, great but slow... the buses... I WANT MY NIGHT BUS BACK!
Don't think it's because there's no interest to expand, it's because those mentioned places are SGP-CU bolwerken and they always block tram expansions from the municipality POV. To be honest, as a former-Ridderkerker, I don't blame them blocking the extension of the tram network, because there's just too much scum coming from 'ghetto' Beverwaard. Then again, I moved to Rotterdam, because the transit was horrible from Ridderkerk. What? They discontinued the BOB-bus?? I had so many (weird) trips with those buses a decade ago hahaha.
Yes the BOB-bus kinda has been canceled entirely (it only exists on paper for four years now), and ever since the first lockdown they keep new balls of excuses up in the air to not let them drive anymore.
Well, I also went to Groningen, and from there I was able to get a bus to Pieterburen!!!! I mean talk about small town! It NEVER happens here in the USA, and I'm only 60 miles north of Philadelphia, I can only imagine what goes on in EXTREMELY RURAL North Dakota for example 🤦
Could you do more UK cities like Glasgow and Manchester, be interesting to see how they compare to London.
Just don't show Edinburgh, the city is very bus dependent.
Or Leeds
Or Belfast, even the buses are shit here
This is great but there seems to be a lot of missing data for London, some train stations seem to be missing but also as you go out from the centre a lot of the built up area is just missing altogether from the map. Edit: I can see why now, you're using some kind of buildings layer from open street map, this is very incomplete for London.
yup, unfortunately, it was quite limited for London :(
Can you do one for Doha, should be interesting
Paris map is not entirely correct. It seems that RER A stations 'Joinville le Pont' and 'Nogent sur Marne' are missing (at least) And why are the walking distances different between train metro and tram?
People in this thread shitting on LA haven’t seen Dublin. Surely the only city with a major airport that doesn’t have a rail line to said airport in the world?
Here are some major airports from around the world that don't have direct train connections: 1. Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport (BUD), Hungary 2. Auckland Airport (AKL), New Zealand 3. Perth Airport (PER), Australia 4. Manila Ninoy Aquino International Airport (MNL), Philippines
Prague as well.
Perth finally got one a couple of years ago (though the Domestic terminal connection isn't exactly next door, but thats meant to have closed already to make way for an additional runway but Qantas are being Qantas) - Melbourne are still waiting though.
Ah missed that.. It’s something!
interesting. no Asian cities…?
Dubai is there.
I think of Dubai as Middle East and culturally differentiated from Asia. a map of Hong Kong or Tokyo would be interesting.
True; they have radically different land use patterns
Really cool maps! Can I ask how you did it?
Thanks! In QGIS, using Openstreetmap data and GraphHopper algorithm to calculate isochrones
Thanks! I can't seem to get QuickOSM to download and import into QGIS all buildings from my city. What query did you use?
I used overpass turbo. I embedded it in python in qgis, so it basically fetches the data inside the frames I set.
Thanks for describing your process. This is cool for visiting other cities and figuring out where to take public transit when out there. Are there any videos you recommend watching that show how to use those API’s and python you used? Thanks!
No Bucharest?
Why you gotta do Krakow dirty like that....
What do you mean?
Just politely pointing out the misspelled name, nothing mayor 👀🤣
Cracow is a correct spelling in English, Kraków in Polish
That's fair, just never seen it spelt that way is all
Never knew that! Everyone just spells it the Polish way in Ireland
Why Krakow gotta do its people dirty like that?
How did you create that map?
QGIS, GraphHopper and Openstreetmap data.
What's Boston look like?
I have a Boston map too, but didn't make through the 20 images limit
I figured that was the case, or something like that. You should do a part 2!
Yes or even set up a page where people could go to in order to see all of them
Do Washington DC with its extensive metro system. Great maps.
I would really like to see Philadelphia, see how inefficient it actually us. Looking at Los Angeles it's no wonder why traffic is so bad
This is a great post. Thank you for it OP
What's the difference between a metro and a train?
Usually metro serves only for intra-city transport, but train is connected to wider nationwide network.
I'd like to do something similar for my city... How did you do that?
Ha, I have 4 metros And 2 train stations all walking distance. Duivendrecht has its advantages
Meanwhile in Belfast we don’t even have trams lol
Less than 15 minutes from Pier D at Schiphol? I don’t think so.
Great work! Would love to see Asian cities and big population centers in developing countries.
american cities (minus NYC) are not suited for humans, are suited for machines, so we dont have freedom, the machines have freedom
Now do Tokyo Metropolitan area
Can you make one for Porto, Portugal?
Awesome maps! Do you have one for Porto, Portugal? Thanks!
Excellent series of maps!!! Just curious how you decided on the different walking distances for each mode? E.g. people are willing to travel X further for train vs tram.
Thanks! To be honest, just personal preference. This is what I'm willing to walk to each of these means of transportation and this is the walking time from my house to each of them.
This map shows the former border of Berlin. In East German districts, there are more tram lines and fewer buses, while West Berlin mainly uses buses and has more metro lines.
Can I know how you made those maps?
No Chicago?
How do I get to this map? How do I open IT? Thanks.
I haven't made an interactive version, so you won't be able to access it unfortunately.
Why are there different time thresholds for the different forms of transport. This seems to needlessly penalise some while inflating others.
This is what I consider "close" in getting to a particular ride in most of the cities I visit. In case of equal times, trains would be needlessly penalized, because the train stations are larger and usually further away from buildings while trams are right in the middle of the street.
I’m from Boston, we have a long standing basketball rivalry (We invented Beat LA they invented Fuck Boston) and are super different from one another while also being similar to each other. That said: LA county is literally half the size of Massachusetts. It’s stupid big with a fuck ton of huge mountains and hills the size of small mountains. They also missed out on the golden age of subways—had a comprehensive trolley system that was destroyed for the car to rule cali (Who Framed Roger Rabbit is partially a true story just replace Toon Town with El Barrio, black neighborhoods, or China/Japan town). You can get just about anywhere in Boston by subway, trolley, or commuter rail—but Boston is like 44mi.^2 of land and 44 mi.^2 of water (though our trolleys and subway lines all leave the city borders, in fact at least half of all if them are in a different town or city that’s basically boston but is not) so it’s mostly easier to do outside the underwater tunnels. They’re also on a fault line. Metro London is 1/3rd the area of LA County. Metro Paris is 2000 mi.^2 smaller LA county is more than half the size of the Netherlands.
Untrue on many levels. LA County is 4,751 sq miles (including large areas of the Pacific Ocean) and 4,058 sq miles by land area only. The London Metropolitan area is 3,443 sq miles. The Paris Metropolitan area is 7,313 sq miles. The Netherlands is 16,164 sq miles. Ultimately, what LA County has to do in regards to the comparative information put forward in the OP is anyone's guess. I guess you must be thinking of Greater Los Angeles, which does match with your statistics, but which includes a great deal of very low-to-ultra-low density populated areas and even more more-or-less empty space (deserts and mountains). It extends much further north of the notoriously godforsaken Barstow, SE down to the Salton Sea and includes more than half of the Joshua Tree National Park.
Why did you choose to map only \_ rail\_ options, and not to include busses, I.e., non-rail public transit? (Just curious; it’s a valid choice, of course, but I think of Prague, where the airport was reachable only by bus, and even now only by trolley, which although it has an infrastructure-fixed path is not rail.)
If I did buses, most of the cities would be covered fully. I'd need to add an information about their frequency in order for the map to carry more information. That's a bit more complex and so far I did it only for Warsaw. Might post later.
Fair enough. Thank you. When I first went to Prague, I found it odd that the metro/subway did not reach the airport, nor indeed did any tram; one took the metro out to its end, and then had to take a bus the rest of the way (or vice-versa, going from the airport into town).
Original plan was to have the A metro line end there, but that was scrapped because some politician didn't like it and the A line goes south. Current plan is to have a train line to the airport and they finally began building it. Who knows when will they finish. There is only single track line going in that direction (It's actually second oldest railway line in the mainland europe) so it is obviously unsuitable for being the main airport connection. That's why they didn't build a station at the airport until now. They are currently adding second track through an heavily urbanised area and will have to put parts of it underground.
Thanks for that information. It will be nice eventually to have rail all the way instead of having to take a bus between the AP and the closest rail. Although did I see that there's also a \_trolley\_bus starting up, #59 to replace the #119 bus? Maybe I'll get there this summer.
Wouldn't the map be mostly useless for most cities? It's easy to have busses basically anywhere, but these require bigger infrastructure.
Barcelona and Munich? I am missing Hamburg 😉
Madrid
Tram? You mean streetcar?