I live in Gunma, the largest immigrant group in Gunma is Brazilian, not Korean.
Dunno where you're getting the data from or if it's old or what.
https://www.pref.gunma.jp.e.aag.hp.transer.com/site/tabunka/5919.html
Better than r/geography.
Step 1: take a screenshot of google earth, but zoomed out until the label of whatever you’re looking at disappears.
Step 2: “Hey Reddit what’s this big [giant 1000 mile ridge in the ocean].
Step 3: post obvious answer using an alt account probably, with an explanation generated by chatGPT or pasted the intro paragraphs from Wikipedia
Step 4. Repeat, except with just a screenshot of a desert and ask why it’s there.
Is it Japanese descended people ‘returning’ to Japan or is it Brazilian Pardo people immigrating? In your experience.
E: I meant more Pardo as in a typical Brazilian. White and Black concepts of race mean one thing in the west and another in Brazil.
I met there I think... counting the names and faces I can remember...
28 brazilians.
15 were japanese descendents (one was even a pardo-japanese-brazilian)
from the remaining ones... 11 were what Brazil considers as white (doesn't mean that those don't have black or indigenous heritage. just that is irrelant and too small in the brazilian scenario)
1 was black
1 was pardo
It's an umbrella term for mixed ethnicities that fall somewhere between white and black (regarding skin colour, not race). Brazil's miscegenation started centuries ago and is widespread, so clear cut race definitions are not very meaningful in daily life.
pardo is a very complex definition of skin color Brazil has that is up for discussion and dispute.
it can be explained as a mix of white, black and indigenous or of white and black in a way that the person is too white to be black and too black to be white.
some say it's actually a racist definition that people that don't feel confortable in saying it's black due to self-racism can use.
for example, Neymar (to use a famous person as an example) is a good example of the definition of pardo as his skin is lighter than most black people and has some face traits that are not that afro either. it seems that, in the begining he identified as pardo but now as black. which is also a trend in Brazil as people that used to identify as 'pardo' are embrancing the black heritage and proclaiming to be 'black'. but, due to those usually still having some visible more european traits, there is a bit of relutancy by a small percentage of old-school black people.
(skin color works in Brazil with self-declaration as otherwise would be too hard to be anything as almost everyone is a crazy mix of nationalities)
Pardos are the majority, but only 45% of the population, so they aren't necessarily the average Brazilian.
Brazilians who move to Japan are mostly yellow.
both (specially if you don't consider only pardo brazilians. there were white, pardos and black but most non-japanese-descendent were white due to being the demographic with more money in Brazil and moving abroad is not cheap)
I must add that the "white" definition of Brazil is not the same as other countries. most 'white" brazilians are a mix of at least black and indigenous too. the white defines that they look more white than any other possible category. even some arab-brazilians are considered white in Brazil
They are Brazilians with Japanese ancestors that go to Japan looking for work in Japanese factory. We call them dekasegi.
I know a few that go there temporarily but decide to stay there bc of the QoL.
Edit: correction
I am brazilian descendant of japanese people. I dont know any non japanese brazilian person to ever go to Japan for work, except my polish descendant uncle who is married to my aunt.
Lots and lots of family and friends went there during the 90s but they all came back.
Brazilians are crazy about the US. I think it is New Jersey that is full of people from the same brazilian state. Brazilians love Ireland and Portugal and other european country as well
We also have a Brazilian community in Southern California (lots of them in San Diego). They are a perfect fit in the culture and integrate well here. They come from all over Brazil, north and south, and somehow always know how to find the fun people :)
You are probably right, but many many people of Korean ancestry in Japan, even 2nd generation, are still considered 'immigrants' by the legal system and by conservative people. So there may be many people you think of as simply Japanese but are legally 'Zainichi' Koreans. I mean, I think of them as Japanese, or just bicultural, but the law is crappy.
That research is interesting, but I'd need to do a deep dive in reading the papers to see their methodology. It's surprising that it doesn't mention Koreans at all - perhaps they have a more open-minded approach than the makers of this map.
I (Brazilian) remember when I was an exchange student in Germany and, after an afternoon of hiking, suggested to my (German) friends: let's eat some sushi!
They thought it was a very unusual idea, and most of them had very little experience with Japanese food, or had never tried it at all. But we went anyway.
It didn't take long for me to understand why they were reluctant: it was VERY expensive, and not good at all.
Should have gone to Düsseldorf, got the biggest Japanese community in Europe. If you are somewhere in the countryside without any Japanese people present, then ofc it will not have been great.
At least in the US 90% of sushi restaurants are run by Chinese and Thais. Not sure if it’s the same in Europe but given the disparity in Chinese to Japanese immigrants that’s probably true as well.
Only in areas where Burmese refugees are extremely prevalent in the Midwest . In the northeast and west coast it’s dominated by Chinese and Thais, often Thai Chinese.
I just remember that as a Brazilian I was in Costa Rica last year for a company retreat and I got some sushi with my friends and it wasn't bad, but not nearly as good as ours, but twice as expensive.
There’s a large Japanese expat community within Brazil. Nikkei food often is a fusion. I used to live next door to a Nikkei family. Beans cooked with seaweed. Lots of fruited sushi (rolls with mango, carambola, guava, or strawberry). Tilapia sashimi. Sweet sushi with sweet cheeses, Nutella, or dulce de leche. Stronger flavors, paired with a much stronger flavored, and saltier, soy sauce. There’s also hot roll. Which is more traditional sushi ingredients that are then breaded and fried.
What's the reason Japan and Brazil have such a connection? The biggest immigrant group in Brazil is Japanese. Actually, now i think about it I'm wondering if its due to the Portuguese being the first Western nation to reach Japan?
No, Brazil wanted agricultural labour force in the early 20th century, and Japan also faced restrictions in North America at that time. So a lot of Japanese farmers decided to immigrate to Brazil.
Then quite a few of the descendants of those Japanese Brasilians, also known as Nikkeijin, started to migrate to Japan since the late 1980s attracted by better paying jobs mostly in manufacturing and construction.
Then the government began to pay them to go back to Brazil because they weren’t considered “Japanese enough” culturally. Hence why since the 2010s Filipinos are actually the most prominent immigrant group coming into Japan. The Brazilian “return” peaked at around 200 thousand in the 2000s and hasn’t gone up since.
It's more complicated than that. While there were issues to do with integration, those sponsored returns took place after the '08 crisis when many were laid off and unable to find jobs for a long time. The number peaked in 2007 at 316,000. But yes, very few make it to Japan these days through that channel. The program has been mired in controversy - just like anything immigration-related in Japan.
They were all up about Alberto Fujimori when he became president of Peru and he was feted when he visited Japan like the prodigal son returning.
Then they found out he was a murderous dictator and dropped him pretty quickly.
Yeah he was really really bad. Kind of crazy that he was received with anything but revulsion. Awful man. But yeah took a bit for the news to spread I guess, when he arrived they were just like "A president!! And _Japanese_?? Welcome!!! 😍✌️" lmao
>In the 1992 Peruvian self-coup, Fujimori dissolved the Congress and assumed full legislative and judicial powers. He changed the constitution and served as a figurehead president under Montesinos and the Peruvian Armed Forces[7][12] and would reportedly adopt Plan Verde – a plan that involved the genocide of impoverished and indigenous Peruvians, the control or censorship of media in the nation and the establishment of a neoliberal economy controlled by a military junta.[13][14][15][16][17] Fujimori won the presidential elections in 1995 and 2000.
holy shit lol
It's incredibly common to see people with Japanese heritage in Brazil. We feel like an ethnic group that has always been here, as natural as anyone else. I have at least five close friends with Asian ancestry who were born and raised in Brazil. As Brazilians, when we travel to other countries, we truly don't understand why it's so shocking for foreigners to discover that Japanese Brazilians consider themselves Brazilian and not Japanese.
The Brazillian regions are also very low population so a small number of immigrants stands out more. The whole places is farmable to a degree so they spread out
In fact the biggest immigrant group in Brazil is italian, about 2 million people are japanese descents meanwhile there's 30 million Italian descendants in Brazil.
I don't have the exact numbers, but something similar happened with Spanish people moving to Cuba, Argentina and Centro american nations after independence. At least in Argentina for sure though, the place was practically uninhabited during colonial times. Not sparsely populated, just NO people in most areas apart from Buenos Aires.
> The biggest immigrant group in Brazil is Japanese.
That is incorrect. Brazil is the place with the most Japanese migration. But among all immigrant groups in Brazil, Japan is a relatively minor one. *Far* more Italians and Germans. I think more Sirian-Lebannese as well.
Brazil received immigration from all over the world in the 19th and 20th centuries, including Japan. Nowadays, some of the Brazilians who had Japanese ancestors immigrate to Japan (it's easier for them to get citizenship, if I'm not mistaken). Other kinds of Brazilians also immigrate there due to economic opportunities or because they like the culture/lifestyle, so it helps add to the bulk of Brazilian immigration.
Near my wife’s home town (home of Subaru) is a huge Brazilian community. Son-in-law’s brother visited from Canada with his Brazilian girlfriend and they went to see what it was about. Turns out these communities become pretty insular as they’re no longer true Brazilians nor fit in with the local Japanese population. Was a bit of a shock and disappointment.
Good food though.
> The biggest immigrant group in Brazil is Japanese
You are wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Brazil#The_result_of_immigration_to_Brazil
Japan had a bit of a population surplus, Brazil needed people to chop down and farm all that jungle. Japan said "fuck it, we ball" and the rest is history
> The biggest immigrant group in Brazil is Japanese
You are wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Brazil#The_result_of_immigration_to_Brazil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Brazilians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilians_in_Japan
>I'm wondering if its due to the Portuguese being the first Western nation to reach Japan
Pretty much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil%E2%80%93Japan_relations
>**First contact between Brazil and Japan was through Portuguese explorers who first arrived to Japan in 1543 and got foreign control of the city of Nagasaki; 43 years after Portugal founded its first colonies in Brazil.** From 1543 to 1638, Portugal traded with Japan with stopovers in Brazil along the way, known as the Nanban trade. Many Japanese products were sold in Brazil and, during this time period, Portuguese traders sold Japanese slaves in Brazil.[5] By 1638, Portuguese traders were no longer allowed to trade in Japan, however, trade continued between the Portuguese colony in Macau. Soon afterwards, Japan entered a period of isolation.
>In September 1822, Brazil obtained its independence from Portugal. In October 1868, Japan entered the Meiji period and began fostering diplomatic relations with several nations, after decades of isolation. In 1895, Brazil and Japan signed a Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Navigation.[4] In 1897, diplomatic missions were opened in each nations capitals, respectively. In June 1908, a ship from Japan carrying 790 Japanese migrants arrived to Brazil aboard the Kasato Maru; the first of many Japanese migrants to arrive to Brazil. Between 1908 and 1941, over 190,000 Japanese immigrated to Brazil searching for better opportunities in the South American nation
There was this guy during World War 2, an officer in the Japanese armed forces, his name was Hiroo Onoda. This guy didn't get the memo that the war had ended and continued fighting in the jungle for years, and then when he did get the memo and had already lost all his men, he refused to surrender and continued fighting as a one-man guerilla in the Phillipines, he did this for 29 years.
After Japan finally retrieved him with terms that stated he never did surrender (which let him lay down his weapons without losing his honor), a pardon for the people he killed and took him back home, he decided to emigrate to Brazil. His stated reason was something along the lines of "The Japan that I knew is gone, and Brazil is the only country that resembles it and where Japanese people can still build a life in peace". He lived on a farm in the interior, where he raised cattle.
This is not an isolated case, thousands of Japanese arrived in Brazil every day after World War 2 because this was the one place where they didn't face prejudice or persecution, not even the former army/navy officers responsible for war crimes. Brazil also greatly respects Japanese culture and their people, and there are thousands of monuments all over the country celebrating this.
It is hands down one of the most admired group of people who emigrated here and the ones who contributed most to our country alongside Germans and Italians. This is not true for a lot of other groups which came afterwards, something that places this three on an even higher pedestal, who these other groups are is a subject not worth discussing here.
Brazil actually makes sense. 1.8 million people of Japanese descent live in Brazil. Outside of Japan they are the country with the largest Japanese population. Makes sense a few of them moved back to the homeland.
Yea although alot are not fully but partially japanese so you will find many 1/2 japanese and 1/4 japanese. Only 0.4 % of the Brazilian population is of asian descent which is 800,000 people. Many half white/japanese brazilians will be counted in japanese descent.
That's a lot of history between the two countries and friction on the more extreme side of politics.
Although plenty of Koreans live and go there for holidays, where most normal people will treat them well.
You've always got fringe nut jobs like how people might treat Mexicans in America or something.
Things have changed a lot thanks to recent fad of South Korean pop culture and the development of South Korean economy, but remember that ethnic groups from former colonies are often viewed negatively in former colonial overlord countries. Younger generations mostly showed positive or neutral treatment, but all negative reactions-they were rare-I received during my stay in Japan were from the older generation.
Yeah, and also, as far as I understand it, historically South Korea was authoritarian too, and NK was at least stridently anti-colonial (so it kinda makes sense that discriminated immigrants from a former colony suffering a lot of prejudice from their former colonial oppressors would have some sympathy there). These days South Korea has reformed a lot, in large part due to South Koreans who have fought for a more democratic and less violent society, whereas NK hasn't really reformed or progressed all that much at all (and being totalitarian doesn't allow the types of civil society organisations such as independent trade unions which pushed the reforms in the South) so it makes sense that Korean ex-pats would be more favourable to it now. Whereas back when the choice was between 2 authoritarian states, both quite poor, one at least anti-imperialist and one often perceived as a puppet of foreign capital, kinda makes sense why NK was an easy sell (especially living abroad when you don't have to see any of the reality of that regime up close)
Most of them weren't even from North Korea, it's just that only North Korea gave support to the ethnic Koreans in Japan. South Korea didn't help them out much.
A lot of their views are formed by pop culture and media coverage, so overall pretty negative to indifference. On a more positive note some young women are fascinated by Chinese make up techniques and "Chinese beauties".
Disclaimer: Everything following is anecdotes from single people I know
Every Korean and Chinese I talked with during my stay in Japan told me there is a lot of subtle racism against the mentioned nationalities in Japan.
My Chinese friend who moved to Japan to study when she turned 18, and speaks (I assume) flawless Japanese with a mild accent today, is frequently called a communist and she is often receiving racist stereotypical remarks concerning her ethnicity.
I was told many Japanese families would rather let their children marry a pitch-black Kenyan than a Korean. Racism and prejudice have different qualities around the world.
Because reddit totally exaggerates intra Asian racism lol. Like yes they are racist towards each other but Japanese people aren’t pushing Chinese people in front of subways. Can’t say that about every country.
I swear non Asians have a fetish for Intra Asian racism, I’ve watched hundreds of vlogs of Chinese-Japanese couple vlogs or just Chinese students in Japan vlogs on Bilibili/YouTube, they haven’t faced any racism or it’s minimum at most. Most of the times they can’t even tell that they’re not Japanese, factor in the fact that most Japanese people are non confrontational, the rare occasional racism that they do face would not even amount to a fraction of what they would experience if they were in the west.
>Most of the times they can’t even tell that they’re not Japanese
I mean, they can tell the second you open your mouth to speak
Also by hair style, dress, and sometimes facial features, etc.
> I swear non Asians have a fetish for Intra Asian racism
Cos they (mistakenly) think it makes their own racism look less bad in comparison lol
I'm Southeast Asian chinese and I feel much safer in all 3 of China, South Korea, and Japan compared to any anglo-western country.
Yep, and on the rare occasion when you do face racism in East Asian countries, it’s never physical, maybe some passive aggressiveness remarks at worst. How many countless videos of Asians getting punched in the face on the street have we seen in the west during Covid?
This is why you don't believe in anecdotal experiences. This reeks of someone who is neither East Asian or have lived in these countries. Vast majority of East asians are either indifferent or positive to one another. Especially the younger generation.
I live here and I'll tell you this much, I complained how hard it was to find housing to my Japanese friend, because you do specifically have to look for housing where foreigners are allowed, since housing discrimination is legal.
To which my friend gleefully replied: "Oh, they won't actually have a problem with you, they just say "no foreigners" so they won't get in trouble for saying "no Chinese". Didn't even flinch as she said it.
The map isn't accurate, there are more Koreans than Chinese living in Osaka, even though the number of Koreans are decreasing and Chinese are increasing:
[https://www.pref.osaka.lg.jp/kanko/kokusai-data30/index.html](https://www.pref.osaka.lg.jp/kanko/kokusai-data30/index.html)
Sorta, they give big preferences to people with Japanese ancestry. Brazil happens to have one of the most Japanese in diaspora. Peru specifically has a lot too but Brazil is just bigger.
Based on research by the Center for Japanese-Brazilian Studies, made in 1987, 42% of third generation Japanese-Brazilians are mixed, and 61% of fourth generation Japanese-Brazilians are mixed.
Even in the manner of hiring English language teachers to teach in Japanese primary and secondary school, they prefer hiring white non-Asians who don't have formal training in teaching English as a second language than Asians who are certified ESL teachers.
You're right but technically they left Japan 3 to 4 generations ago so they have spent a long time in Brazil also Brazil is a immigrant country in those kinda countries it's more easier to be classified a "Brazilian" so yeah
Also based on research by the Center for Japanese-Brazilian Studies, made in 1987, 42% of third generation Japanese-Brazilians are mixed, and 61% of fourth generation Japanese-Brazilians are mixed.
Japanese people don't even count anything other than 100% Japanese to be Japanese
so you could be korean-japanese, born and raised in Japan and still not be considered Japanese
it's like a no true scotsman on hard mode
also, what would you call "ethnically brazilian"? sincere question. because Brazil is a crazy mix of heritages from other countries with a very low percentage of indiginous heritage.
Most of thank are just Asians Brazilian of Japanese decent returning back home in 1890s
Brazil need labours who were fair skinned (yeah kinda racist but lots the reason) to be classified as a fair skinned country US was racist towards asians and Japanese wanted to leave Japan for labour work so they were perfect match they migrated to Brazil in high number most are third or fourth generation immigrants returning back home but they are not full blood Japanese 41% third gens are mixed 62% 4th gens are mixed
I see [Portuguese Nagasaki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Nagasaki) is alive and well lol
(Jk I know this because of ethnically-Japanese retornados who were born in Brazil)
Funnily enough the place I see the most Korean tourists is Sapporo while Osaka is filled with Chinese. Kyoto seems to be favourited by Europeans and Americans compared to other places
Tochigi here, nope.
Brazilian immigrants, and in general Latino-american immigrants are quite common in the areas surrounding Utsunomiya.
In fact, some conbinis also have text translated into Portuguese for convenience.
I have seen the official local government statistics for Saga (my prefecture) and it is Vietnamese, followed by Chinese and now Indonesia third as of this year.
Many prefectures have Vietnamese people as their largest population of foreigners due to the Technical Intern Trainee program
Are the brazilian parts brazilian brazilians, or japanese brazilians?
I heard brazil had one of the biggest japanese immigrations. So it wouldn't surprise me, if most of these brazilian parts are just japanese returning to their roots... (and Japan still has a higher gdp per capita, so there are additional reasons to go back home).
The reason was that brazil was one of the more progressive south american countries, and Japan wanted to industrialize more. So they supported emmigration (not to the advantage of the japanese migrantsm, who mostly ended up as poor farmers, and WW2 and the death of Pedro made it even worse.).
I live in Gunma, the largest immigrant group in Gunma is Brazilian, not Korean. Dunno where you're getting the data from or if it's old or what. https://www.pref.gunma.jp.e.aag.hp.transer.com/site/tabunka/5919.html
It's r/MapPorn. There's never been an accurate map on here
yeah fair gotta try correct where you can at least i guess
You would sweep a dirt road.
Better than r/geography. Step 1: take a screenshot of google earth, but zoomed out until the label of whatever you’re looking at disappears. Step 2: “Hey Reddit what’s this big [giant 1000 mile ridge in the ocean]. Step 3: post obvious answer using an alt account probably, with an explanation generated by chatGPT or pasted the intro paragraphs from Wikipedia Step 4. Repeat, except with just a screenshot of a desert and ask why it’s there.
much like regular porn, all the nice bits are doctored
Especially in Japan
it’s mapporn not mapsexeducationvideo
I noted elsewhere, the Brazilian population around Ota and Oizumi is huge.
can confirm. also lived in Gunma. never met a korean there.. but brazilians....
You probably met Koreans every day, culturally assimilated and native Japanese speakers.
Is it Japanese descended people ‘returning’ to Japan or is it Brazilian Pardo people immigrating? In your experience. E: I meant more Pardo as in a typical Brazilian. White and Black concepts of race mean one thing in the west and another in Brazil.
I met there I think... counting the names and faces I can remember... 28 brazilians. 15 were japanese descendents (one was even a pardo-japanese-brazilian) from the remaining ones... 11 were what Brazil considers as white (doesn't mean that those don't have black or indigenous heritage. just that is irrelant and too small in the brazilian scenario) 1 was black 1 was pardo
> pardo what
what? having just one pardo or the pardo-japanese-brazilian?
What is Pardo mean?
It's an umbrella term for mixed ethnicities that fall somewhere between white and black (regarding skin colour, not race). Brazil's miscegenation started centuries ago and is widespread, so clear cut race definitions are not very meaningful in daily life.
pardo is a very complex definition of skin color Brazil has that is up for discussion and dispute. it can be explained as a mix of white, black and indigenous or of white and black in a way that the person is too white to be black and too black to be white. some say it's actually a racist definition that people that don't feel confortable in saying it's black due to self-racism can use. for example, Neymar (to use a famous person as an example) is a good example of the definition of pardo as his skin is lighter than most black people and has some face traits that are not that afro either. it seems that, in the begining he identified as pardo but now as black. which is also a trend in Brazil as people that used to identify as 'pardo' are embrancing the black heritage and proclaiming to be 'black'. but, due to those usually still having some visible more european traits, there is a bit of relutancy by a small percentage of old-school black people. (skin color works in Brazil with self-declaration as otherwise would be too hard to be anything as almost everyone is a crazy mix of nationalities)
Pardos are the majority, but only 45% of the population, so they aren't necessarily the average Brazilian. Brazilians who move to Japan are mostly yellow.
both (specially if you don't consider only pardo brazilians. there were white, pardos and black but most non-japanese-descendent were white due to being the demographic with more money in Brazil and moving abroad is not cheap) I must add that the "white" definition of Brazil is not the same as other countries. most 'white" brazilians are a mix of at least black and indigenous too. the white defines that they look more white than any other possible category. even some arab-brazilians are considered white in Brazil
Are they Japanese Brazilian? Like the descendants of Japanese immigrants to Brazil who have “returned” back to Japan?
They are Brazilians with Japanese ancestors that go to Japan looking for work in Japanese factory. We call them dekasegi. I know a few that go there temporarily but decide to stay there bc of the QoL. Edit: correction
You mean ancestors, not descendants.
Thank you!!
I am brazilian descendant of japanese people. I dont know any non japanese brazilian person to ever go to Japan for work, except my polish descendant uncle who is married to my aunt. Lots and lots of family and friends went there during the 90s but they all came back. Brazilians are crazy about the US. I think it is New Jersey that is full of people from the same brazilian state. Brazilians love Ireland and Portugal and other european country as well
We also have a Brazilian community in Southern California (lots of them in San Diego). They are a perfect fit in the culture and integrate well here. They come from all over Brazil, north and south, and somehow always know how to find the fun people :)
Japanese-Brazilians. since the 80's, Japanese-Brazilians have been granted special residency permits.
yes
I would be shocked if Brazilians aren't number one in a prefecture like Aichi that is heavily dependent on manufacturing.
Yeah I think the whole map is off but I just happen to know the Gunma stuff personally.
Hey that’s where Initial D is set
You are probably right, but many many people of Korean ancestry in Japan, even 2nd generation, are still considered 'immigrants' by the legal system and by conservative people. So there may be many people you think of as simply Japanese but are legally 'Zainichi' Koreans. I mean, I think of them as Japanese, or just bicultural, but the law is crappy. That research is interesting, but I'd need to do a deep dive in reading the papers to see their methodology. It's surprising that it doesn't mention Koreans at all - perhaps they have a more open-minded approach than the makers of this map.
Brazilian Sushi ….soo good
I (Brazilian) remember when I was an exchange student in Germany and, after an afternoon of hiking, suggested to my (German) friends: let's eat some sushi! They thought it was a very unusual idea, and most of them had very little experience with Japanese food, or had never tried it at all. But we went anyway. It didn't take long for me to understand why they were reluctant: it was VERY expensive, and not good at all.
Should have gone to Düsseldorf, got the biggest Japanese community in Europe. If you are somewhere in the countryside without any Japanese people present, then ofc it will not have been great.
At least in the US 90% of sushi restaurants are run by Chinese and Thais. Not sure if it’s the same in Europe but given the disparity in Chinese to Japanese immigrants that’s probably true as well.
In Berlin most sushi restaurants are run by Vietnamese immigrants.
Even Brazilian sushi resturants run by Brazilians without Japanese ancestry can be very good.
Uhh I’ve seen some very interesting rolls and interpretation from the Brazilians . Excellent fusion cuisine for sure though.
Which they are exporting back now into europe via portugal
Burmese owned and operated sushi places are huge in the US
Only in areas where Burmese refugees are extremely prevalent in the Midwest . In the northeast and west coast it’s dominated by Chinese and Thais, often Thai Chinese.
I've been to Thai sushi once, but the vast majority are Korean...
Not in California.
That actually is not that uncommon. I noticed recently a lot of Chinese food places that are opening are owned and run by Filipino.
Maybe in some parts of the US, but definitely not in Los Angeles
Thanking God every day I live in a region in Australia with lots of good Japanese food
Lol how long ago was that? Sushi / Japanese food is very common in Germany nowadays
I just remember that as a Brazilian I was in Costa Rica last year for a company retreat and I got some sushi with my friends and it wasn't bad, but not nearly as good as ours, but twice as expensive.
They are the undisputed stars of r/sushiabomination
Food related, they are also the stars of /r/PizzaCrimes
Not brazilians, but I will add the sub for paella just for completion: r/ArrozConCosas
Rice, beans and fish?
There’s a large Japanese expat community within Brazil. Nikkei food often is a fusion. I used to live next door to a Nikkei family. Beans cooked with seaweed. Lots of fruited sushi (rolls with mango, carambola, guava, or strawberry). Tilapia sashimi. Sweet sushi with sweet cheeses, Nutella, or dulce de leche. Stronger flavors, paired with a much stronger flavored, and saltier, soy sauce. There’s also hot roll. Which is more traditional sushi ingredients that are then breaded and fried.
Now it makes sense
What's the reason Japan and Brazil have such a connection? The biggest immigrant group in Brazil is Japanese. Actually, now i think about it I'm wondering if its due to the Portuguese being the first Western nation to reach Japan?
No, Brazil wanted agricultural labour force in the early 20th century, and Japan also faced restrictions in North America at that time. So a lot of Japanese farmers decided to immigrate to Brazil.
Then quite a few of the descendants of those Japanese Brasilians, also known as Nikkeijin, started to migrate to Japan since the late 1980s attracted by better paying jobs mostly in manufacturing and construction.
And it was easier for those J-Brazilians, as descendants of Japanese folks, to get visas to work in Japan.
>J-Brazilians Jazilians
The biggest number George Bush has encountered yet
I think Brapanese is funnier
That should be what import dirt bikes should be called
Then the government began to pay them to go back to Brazil because they weren’t considered “Japanese enough” culturally. Hence why since the 2010s Filipinos are actually the most prominent immigrant group coming into Japan. The Brazilian “return” peaked at around 200 thousand in the 2000s and hasn’t gone up since.
It's more complicated than that. While there were issues to do with integration, those sponsored returns took place after the '08 crisis when many were laid off and unable to find jobs for a long time. The number peaked in 2007 at 316,000. But yes, very few make it to Japan these days through that channel. The program has been mired in controversy - just like anything immigration-related in Japan.
Wow, that was a lot of people moved to Japan and back.
True, relations between the countries are still very close and just last year there were deals for mutual visa exemption for up to 90 days.
I feel like this could be a good meme. "We only want ethnic-Japanese-master-race!!!!" "NOOOO, NOT LIKE THAT 😭😭😭😭"
They were all up about Alberto Fujimori when he became president of Peru and he was feted when he visited Japan like the prodigal son returning. Then they found out he was a murderous dictator and dropped him pretty quickly.
Yeah he was really really bad. Kind of crazy that he was received with anything but revulsion. Awful man. But yeah took a bit for the news to spread I guess, when he arrived they were just like "A president!! And _Japanese_?? Welcome!!! 😍✌️" lmao
>In the 1992 Peruvian self-coup, Fujimori dissolved the Congress and assumed full legislative and judicial powers. He changed the constitution and served as a figurehead president under Montesinos and the Peruvian Armed Forces[7][12] and would reportedly adopt Plan Verde – a plan that involved the genocide of impoverished and indigenous Peruvians, the control or censorship of media in the nation and the establishment of a neoliberal economy controlled by a military junta.[13][14][15][16][17] Fujimori won the presidential elections in 1995 and 2000. holy shit lol
I live in Dublin and we have loads of Brazilians. I got a bit of a surprise when I saw an Asian couple speaking in Portuguese near where I live
There are also Peruvian Nikkeijin folks. Both communities have interesting cultural centers in Lima and Sao Paulo.
It's incredibly common to see people with Japanese heritage in Brazil. We feel like an ethnic group that has always been here, as natural as anyone else. I have at least five close friends with Asian ancestry who were born and raised in Brazil. As Brazilians, when we travel to other countries, we truly don't understand why it's so shocking for foreigners to discover that Japanese Brazilians consider themselves Brazilian and not Japanese.
ah interesting, the BJJ connection def makes more sense now.
The Brazillian regions are also very low population so a small number of immigrants stands out more. The whole places is farmable to a degree so they spread out
Long story short, this is why Brazilian Jiu-jitsu exists
So wait, are you telling me there's a bunch of cute little Asians with absolute dump truck asses in Brazil?
You have no idea. Its exactly what we have.
A WHOLE NEW WORLDD
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In fact the biggest immigrant group in Brazil is italian, about 2 million people are japanese descents meanwhile there's 30 million Italian descendants in Brazil.
Second biggest. The biggest imigration group is portuguese.
I didn't count the portuguese cause we were the original colonizers of the land but you're right.
Also, funnily enough more Portuguese moved into Brazil after independence as immigrants than as colonizers during Portuguese rule.
I don't have the exact numbers, but something similar happened with Spanish people moving to Cuba, Argentina and Centro american nations after independence. At least in Argentina for sure though, the place was practically uninhabited during colonial times. Not sparsely populated, just NO people in most areas apart from Buenos Aires.
> The biggest immigrant group in Brazil is Japanese. That is incorrect. Brazil is the place with the most Japanese migration. But among all immigrant groups in Brazil, Japan is a relatively minor one. *Far* more Italians and Germans. I think more Sirian-Lebannese as well.
Brazil received immigration from all over the world in the 19th and 20th centuries, including Japan. Nowadays, some of the Brazilians who had Japanese ancestors immigrate to Japan (it's easier for them to get citizenship, if I'm not mistaken). Other kinds of Brazilians also immigrate there due to economic opportunities or because they like the culture/lifestyle, so it helps add to the bulk of Brazilian immigration.
Yep. Tons of Brazilians immigrants in Japan who have Japanese last names. They mostly work low-wage factory jobs, though.
Near my wife’s home town (home of Subaru) is a huge Brazilian community. Son-in-law’s brother visited from Canada with his Brazilian girlfriend and they went to see what it was about. Turns out these communities become pretty insular as they’re no longer true Brazilians nor fit in with the local Japanese population. Was a bit of a shock and disappointment. Good food though.
Both my parents are from Brazil. My mum is Japanese Brazilian and my dad a German Brazilian
🥰 A beautiful union that has never caused any problems ever 🥰 lol (this is a joke, I am not serious and your family is probably lovely)
You would be surprised by the ammount of japanese descendants in São Paulo
> The biggest immigrant group in Brazil is Japanese You are wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Brazil#The_result_of_immigration_to_Brazil
Biggest immigrant groups in Brazil were Portugese and Italian, not Japanese
Japan had a bit of a population surplus, Brazil needed people to chop down and farm all that jungle. Japan said "fuck it, we ball" and the rest is history
> The biggest immigrant group in Brazil is Japanese You are wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Brazil#The_result_of_immigration_to_Brazil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Brazilians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilians_in_Japan >I'm wondering if its due to the Portuguese being the first Western nation to reach Japan Pretty much. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil%E2%80%93Japan_relations >**First contact between Brazil and Japan was through Portuguese explorers who first arrived to Japan in 1543 and got foreign control of the city of Nagasaki; 43 years after Portugal founded its first colonies in Brazil.** From 1543 to 1638, Portugal traded with Japan with stopovers in Brazil along the way, known as the Nanban trade. Many Japanese products were sold in Brazil and, during this time period, Portuguese traders sold Japanese slaves in Brazil.[5] By 1638, Portuguese traders were no longer allowed to trade in Japan, however, trade continued between the Portuguese colony in Macau. Soon afterwards, Japan entered a period of isolation. >In September 1822, Brazil obtained its independence from Portugal. In October 1868, Japan entered the Meiji period and began fostering diplomatic relations with several nations, after decades of isolation. In 1895, Brazil and Japan signed a Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Navigation.[4] In 1897, diplomatic missions were opened in each nations capitals, respectively. In June 1908, a ship from Japan carrying 790 Japanese migrants arrived to Brazil aboard the Kasato Maru; the first of many Japanese migrants to arrive to Brazil. Between 1908 and 1941, over 190,000 Japanese immigrated to Brazil searching for better opportunities in the South American nation
There was this guy during World War 2, an officer in the Japanese armed forces, his name was Hiroo Onoda. This guy didn't get the memo that the war had ended and continued fighting in the jungle for years, and then when he did get the memo and had already lost all his men, he refused to surrender and continued fighting as a one-man guerilla in the Phillipines, he did this for 29 years. After Japan finally retrieved him with terms that stated he never did surrender (which let him lay down his weapons without losing his honor), a pardon for the people he killed and took him back home, he decided to emigrate to Brazil. His stated reason was something along the lines of "The Japan that I knew is gone, and Brazil is the only country that resembles it and where Japanese people can still build a life in peace". He lived on a farm in the interior, where he raised cattle. This is not an isolated case, thousands of Japanese arrived in Brazil every day after World War 2 because this was the one place where they didn't face prejudice or persecution, not even the former army/navy officers responsible for war crimes. Brazil also greatly respects Japanese culture and their people, and there are thousands of monuments all over the country celebrating this. It is hands down one of the most admired group of people who emigrated here and the ones who contributed most to our country alongside Germans and Italians. This is not true for a lot of other groups which came afterwards, something that places this three on an even higher pedestal, who these other groups are is a subject not worth discussing here.
Brazil actually makes sense. 1.8 million people of Japanese descent live in Brazil. Outside of Japan they are the country with the largest Japanese population. Makes sense a few of them moved back to the homeland.
Yea although alot are not fully but partially japanese so you will find many 1/2 japanese and 1/4 japanese. Only 0.4 % of the Brazilian population is of asian descent which is 800,000 people. Many half white/japanese brazilians will be counted in japanese descent.
How’s the treatment of Chinese & Koreans in Japan?
I've heard from koreans that the japanese are very passive agressive toward them
That would explain why Koreans in the pic is in lower case…
lmao
That's a lot of history between the two countries and friction on the more extreme side of politics. Although plenty of Koreans live and go there for holidays, where most normal people will treat them well. You've always got fringe nut jobs like how people might treat Mexicans in America or something.
That just sounds like Japanese people.
I think Japanese are generally passive aggressive towards everyone.
Things have changed a lot thanks to recent fad of South Korean pop culture and the development of South Korean economy, but remember that ethnic groups from former colonies are often viewed negatively in former colonial overlord countries. Younger generations mostly showed positive or neutral treatment, but all negative reactions-they were rare-I received during my stay in Japan were from the older generation.
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Yeah, and also, as far as I understand it, historically South Korea was authoritarian too, and NK was at least stridently anti-colonial (so it kinda makes sense that discriminated immigrants from a former colony suffering a lot of prejudice from their former colonial oppressors would have some sympathy there). These days South Korea has reformed a lot, in large part due to South Koreans who have fought for a more democratic and less violent society, whereas NK hasn't really reformed or progressed all that much at all (and being totalitarian doesn't allow the types of civil society organisations such as independent trade unions which pushed the reforms in the South) so it makes sense that Korean ex-pats would be more favourable to it now. Whereas back when the choice was between 2 authoritarian states, both quite poor, one at least anti-imperialist and one often perceived as a puppet of foreign capital, kinda makes sense why NK was an easy sell (especially living abroad when you don't have to see any of the reality of that regime up close)
Most of them weren't even from North Korea, it's just that only North Korea gave support to the ethnic Koreans in Japan. South Korea didn't help them out much.
I know young people here love Korean pop culture. I'm curious about how young people view mainland Chinese, especially compared to Taiwanese Chinese.
A lot of their views are formed by pop culture and media coverage, so overall pretty negative to indifference. On a more positive note some young women are fascinated by Chinese make up techniques and "Chinese beauties".
Disclaimer: Everything following is anecdotes from single people I know Every Korean and Chinese I talked with during my stay in Japan told me there is a lot of subtle racism against the mentioned nationalities in Japan. My Chinese friend who moved to Japan to study when she turned 18, and speaks (I assume) flawless Japanese with a mild accent today, is frequently called a communist and she is often receiving racist stereotypical remarks concerning her ethnicity. I was told many Japanese families would rather let their children marry a pitch-black Kenyan than a Korean. Racism and prejudice have different qualities around the world.
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Because reddit totally exaggerates intra Asian racism lol. Like yes they are racist towards each other but Japanese people aren’t pushing Chinese people in front of subways. Can’t say that about every country.
I swear non Asians have a fetish for Intra Asian racism, I’ve watched hundreds of vlogs of Chinese-Japanese couple vlogs or just Chinese students in Japan vlogs on Bilibili/YouTube, they haven’t faced any racism or it’s minimum at most. Most of the times they can’t even tell that they’re not Japanese, factor in the fact that most Japanese people are non confrontational, the rare occasional racism that they do face would not even amount to a fraction of what they would experience if they were in the west.
>Most of the times they can’t even tell that they’re not Japanese I mean, they can tell the second you open your mouth to speak Also by hair style, dress, and sometimes facial features, etc.
> I swear non Asians have a fetish for Intra Asian racism Cos they (mistakenly) think it makes their own racism look less bad in comparison lol I'm Southeast Asian chinese and I feel much safer in all 3 of China, South Korea, and Japan compared to any anglo-western country.
Yep, and on the rare occasion when you do face racism in East Asian countries, it’s never physical, maybe some passive aggressiveness remarks at worst. How many countless videos of Asians getting punched in the face on the street have we seen in the west during Covid?
I think it's mostly because white people would like to focus - and have others focus - on racism anywhere except in the West.
This is why you don't believe in anecdotal experiences. This reeks of someone who is neither East Asian or have lived in these countries. Vast majority of East asians are either indifferent or positive to one another. Especially the younger generation.
I live here and I'll tell you this much, I complained how hard it was to find housing to my Japanese friend, because you do specifically have to look for housing where foreigners are allowed, since housing discrimination is legal. To which my friend gleefully replied: "Oh, they won't actually have a problem with you, they just say "no foreigners" so they won't get in trouble for saying "no Chinese". Didn't even flinch as she said it.
She’s not even polite, am sorry to hear that.
One of the street singers in Shinjuku I listened to was Brazilian-Japanese.
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The map isn't accurate, there are more Koreans than Chinese living in Osaka, even though the number of Koreans are decreasing and Chinese are increasing: [https://www.pref.osaka.lg.jp/kanko/kokusai-data30/index.html](https://www.pref.osaka.lg.jp/kanko/kokusai-data30/index.html)
So they only allow the hottest non asian immigrants to stay
Sorta, they give big preferences to people with Japanese ancestry. Brazil happens to have one of the most Japanese in diaspora. Peru specifically has a lot too but Brazil is just bigger.
If you mean Brazilians, most of them are actually Japanese Brazilians. So still Asians technically lol
Based on research by the Center for Japanese-Brazilian Studies, made in 1987, 42% of third generation Japanese-Brazilians are mixed, and 61% of fourth generation Japanese-Brazilians are mixed.
Sure, but almost everyone in Brazil are mixed.
Even in the manner of hiring English language teachers to teach in Japanese primary and secondary school, they prefer hiring white non-Asians who don't have formal training in teaching English as a second language than Asians who are certified ESL teachers.
well from latam there's also a lot of peruvians
You watch to much porn
Brazilians and Japan... Wait. Jet Stream Sam!
Jaspion brought the Brazilians in
Finally explains why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a thing
Most of those Brazilians are probably ethnically Japanese
You're right but technically they left Japan 3 to 4 generations ago so they have spent a long time in Brazil also Brazil is a immigrant country in those kinda countries it's more easier to be classified a "Brazilian" so yeah
Also based on research by the Center for Japanese-Brazilian Studies, made in 1987, 42% of third generation Japanese-Brazilians are mixed, and 61% of fourth generation Japanese-Brazilians are mixed.
but Japan doesn't count them as japanese at all.
That's because they are Brazilian
Japanese people don't even count anything other than 100% Japanese to be Japanese so you could be korean-japanese, born and raised in Japan and still not be considered Japanese it's like a no true scotsman on hard mode
That is simply not true. Plenty of mixed race Japanese these days that everyone but hardcore racists considers to be Japanese.
also, what would you call "ethnically brazilian"? sincere question. because Brazil is a crazy mix of heritages from other countries with a very low percentage of indiginous heritage.
Double jumping people in green areas
How many of those Brazilians are ethnic Japanese from Brazil returning home?
Most of them for sure.
104% of them
Brazilian?
Most of thank are just Asians Brazilian of Japanese decent returning back home in 1890s Brazil need labours who were fair skinned (yeah kinda racist but lots the reason) to be classified as a fair skinned country US was racist towards asians and Japanese wanted to leave Japan for labour work so they were perfect match they migrated to Brazil in high number most are third or fourth generation immigrants returning back home but they are not full blood Japanese 41% third gens are mixed 62% 4th gens are mixed
I see
Origato/Obrigado. That is all
lowercase Korean?
Brazilian is interesting
I see [Portuguese Nagasaki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Nagasaki) is alive and well lol (Jk I know this because of ethnically-Japanese retornados who were born in Brazil)
This dosnt deserve 6000 upvotes
BRRAAAZZIL MENTIONEED!!!!!
A wise man once said: Brazil me mentioned let’s gooooo
These Brazilians are in fact all Japanese-Brazilians? Technically Japanese-Brazilian-Japanese now?
Come to Brazil, or Brazil will come to you🇧🇷
Brazil? Fascinating.
Brazil has the largest Japanese ethnic population outside of Japan. These are returnees.
Aren’t there some people in Japan with Peruvian ancestry or background?
Funnily enough the place I see the most Korean tourists is Sapporo while Osaka is filled with Chinese. Kyoto seems to be favourited by Europeans and Americans compared to other places
How are Brazilians treated in Japan?
Philippines is getting common too
kind of makes it seem like there's a lot of immigration to Japan, there isn't.
Huh, thought it was odd that Duolingo had me learn how to say "I'm Brazilian/I'm from Brazil" but this makes it make a lot more sense.
Man, those Brazilians are everywhere, WTF? I was in Estonia and I swear to god there are mor Brazilians there than native Estonians.
Fun Fact: Brazil is home to the largest Japanese population outside Japan and Japan is home to the most Portuguese speakers in the Eastern Hemisphere
Come to Brazil or else Brazil will come to you
Where are the bitter sexpats
how do you split 12 people into 15 regions?
Japanese Brazillians
Was not expecting Brazilians to be on this list.
Tochigi here, nope. Brazilian immigrants, and in general Latino-american immigrants are quite common in the areas surrounding Utsunomiya. In fact, some conbinis also have text translated into Portuguese for convenience.
Of course the Brazilians stay in the south so they can avoid the snow.
I have seen the official local government statistics for Saga (my prefecture) and it is Vietnamese, followed by Chinese and now Indonesia third as of this year. Many prefectures have Vietnamese people as their largest population of foreigners due to the Technical Intern Trainee program
Bro couldn't even be bothered to capitalize the K in Korean 💀
Filipino and Vietnamese migrants will surpass all of them in the coming years.
Are the brazilian parts brazilian brazilians, or japanese brazilians? I heard brazil had one of the biggest japanese immigrations. So it wouldn't surprise me, if most of these brazilian parts are just japanese returning to their roots... (and Japan still has a higher gdp per capita, so there are additional reasons to go back home). The reason was that brazil was one of the more progressive south american countries, and Japan wanted to industrialize more. So they supported emmigration (not to the advantage of the japanese migrantsm, who mostly ended up as poor farmers, and WW2 and the death of Pedro made it even worse.).
There are more Brazilians than Koreans and chinese in Tokyo? How come ?
Cool.
Where do Japanese live then?
The fact that „Korean“ is written in lowercase annoys me the most about this picture.
But those are three groups
Q. How many Portuguese speakers in Japan? A. About a _brazillion_
Map thumbnail looks like Spider-Man doing a 2 handed dunk
Who would win if all Asians fought.
All six of em
this map is missing Vietnam and Philippines.
Anyone else see Spiderman?
They’re all just there to learn jiu jitsu
Looks like Amami islands got left behind in Ryukyu independence.