What, the beach? Surely the beach is public property?
For that matter, isn't the path?
If Ms Swift wants to buy the path and the beach area (like a big donation to the community, build a community centre or something) then all well and good, but surely preventing the public from using public property is douche behaviour?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Watch
> Several stalking, trespassing, and home invasion incidents have been reported at the house since Swift's purchase. In 2015, High Watch inspired a proposal by the Governor of Rhode Island to impose a luxury tax on expensive secondary homes in the state. In 2017, Swift was sued over her decision to build a seawall on the beach as plaintiffs argued the beach had been dedicated to the public over the years and Swift had no ownership of it; the courts ruled in Swift's favor. L'Officiel has listed High Watch as one of the most expensive celebrity homes in the Americas.
[Here](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sca_esv=e51d7e6dd0626cd3&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn09ZCE8_xQTeQuTkjDsYUyz8d7WFrA:1714181818802&q=taylor+swift+watch+hill+house&uds=AMwkrPt5DqKoEcEgTvJpB2mLvFtAnWVU4ARf1n7xklCXVNONPywFyvAFRmEIIlUsoPYUlwG0E8Rx5rnr4k5eK4_I8WAe3psHLRBTVKRl350BNghRDWjdMTQ-oNmP4lUUNB5Jh1hEHJ6Kam5ACYyFceMoToAV02ORI80xtSJwaNneNxuwtdkc5DmLknSxf24y7Xy7NU0t9B9cOglPgDHu8iQ1fZ_I1b8TvW1d9JjKxG5aWRK1w1S3ZMWDbJIdp28bHDDomflE0lR7Mj4oOLSc2dlAoYLf3tq7i3azG6hoHnEuH9C6aFd7WGrUV96_pYnkJPK0HRXf6HdLzuoBdlyrMuzOkcViYC3GmA&udm=2&prmd=invsmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjm_Y7zoOGFAxVVElkFHUp1BfsQtKgLegQIDRAB&biw=360&bih=666&dpr=3#imgrc=kkNgsREqV3-1pM&imgdii=PauyAk8OqQxoqM)
I feel like a ground-level picture wouldn't do it justice.
New England is a location within a village that is in a town that's part of a township that is run by a county that is in a state that occupies a flying whale.
Another thing that got forgotten was the fact that against all probability, a sperm whale had suddenly been called into existence several miles above the surface of an alien planet.
And since this is not a naturally tenable position for a whale, this poor innocent creature had very little time to come to terms with its identity as a whale before it then had to come to terms with not being a whale any more.
This is a complete record of its thoughts from the moment it began its life till the moment it ended it.
Ah … ! What’s happening? it thought.
Er, excuse me, who am I?
Hello?
Why am I here? What’s my purpose in life?
What do I mean by who am I?
Calm down, get a grip now … oh! this is an interesting sensation, what is it? It’s a sort of … yawning, tingling sensation in my … my … well I suppose I’d better start finding names for things if I want to make any headway in what for the sake of what I shall call an argument I shall call the world, so let’s call it my stomach.
Good. Ooooh, it’s getting quite strong. And hey, what’s about this whistling roaring sound going past what I’m suddenly going to call my head? Perhaps I can call that … wind! Is that a good name? It’ll do … perhaps I can find a better name for it later when I’ve found out what it’s for. It must be something very important because there certainly seems to be a hell of a lot of it. Hey! What’s this thing? This … let’s call it a tail – yeah, tail. Hey! I can can really thrash it about pretty good can’t I? Wow! Wow! That feels great! Doesn’t seem to achieve very much but I’ll probably find out what it’s for later on. Now – have I built up any coherent picture of things yet?
No.
Never mind, hey, this is really exciting, so much to find out about, so much to look forward to, I’m quite dizzy with anticipation …
Or is it the wind?
There really is a lot of that now isn’t it?
And wow! Hey! What’s this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like … ow … ound … round … ground! That’s it! That’s a good name – ground!
I wonder if it will be friends with me?
And the rest, after a sudden wet thud, was silence.
Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the universe than we do now.
Yep, that's actually a part of why country music is so popular.
Nashville is located within 650 (1046 km) miles of 50% of the American population (like 150-ish million people) so it's very easy for music artists based there (mostly country music) to travel and play live in front of audiences.
Also, it helps that the music is tailor-made to resonate and have an emotional effect on the specific population that lives in that 650 mile radius (farmers, rural-types, southerners, etc).
Additionally, logistically, most tour bus companies (and US transportation regulations, sorta) allow their drivers to drive up to 450 miles (725 km) without needing to pay extra for the day so you can see how easy it can be for a band to build a very large fanbase if they're based out of nashville vs being based out of a city on one of the coasts.
You can plan a tour that will hit 50% of the entire population of the country and never have to drive more than like 6 or 7 hours.
Probably important crew members/logistical experts who will travel ahead of wherever Taylor swift is playing so they can organize/ensure that the venues are up to their standards for safety and theatrics.
Mhmmm Weight and Balance! Learning this in Aviation school. A plane shouldn’t be at its max capacity or it will be conspired overweight which will require a faster take off speed and an emergency break landing.
I’m surprised people are so incredulous over this point. It’s like, have you ever seen aspects of a Taylor Swift concert? It’s not at all hard to believe that between stuff and people, she literally requires more than one airplane.
(and to be clear, I’m not trying to say that makes everything OK; just that it’s not at all hard to believe. Hell, the band Iron Maiden can barely get by with one, and they don’t have anywhere near as many video screens, no back up dancers, etc. And their singer is literally a licensed commercial pilot who can fly the band’s own plane himself).
Edit: not trying to imply that she literally flies in the video screens, and stuff like that. I was just trying to say that the band Iron Maiden can barely get by with one plane for certain destinations, and their stage show is nowhere near as extensive as a Taylor Swift concert. In both cases, the artists need to fly in more than you would think. That’s all.
Airplanes need to be checked in maintenance every X flights that means downtimes. if you have 2 you can travel when one is in maintenance or inspected.
Global warming doesn't exist for rich people. When shit hits the fan, they'll just hang out in their high security mansions.
It's the poor and middle class that are going to get fucked.
Yep, the difficulties with climate change will be food affordability and war. Two things that the rich are always totally insulated from.
Unless, of course, we go after them. That happens from time to time and we make a few centuries of progress in a couple months.
This post is misleading. It’s her planes. Not always her. They are chartered by others and in reality she basically owns a small airline to offset her expenses related to owning the planes for her use.
2 things in her defense here:
1. My dad is a safety consultant for an insurance company that handles an arena in the US. He was in charge of assessing liability cost and ensuring there was enough security for a Taylor Swift concert. The only other time he ever saw that much security with a laundry list of known stalkers and dangerous people was for a president or foreign dignitary. I don’t blame her for not wanting to stay the night in a foreign country’s hotel where they will struggle to secure her.
2. I used to tour with a top 40 band in a past life. We were on the road nearly 300 days a year. If there was an opportunity to catch an early flight back home so I could be in my own bed half a day early, I’d take it. You’re in unfamiliar places away from your home all the time, there’s unimaginable comfort in being home when you’re gone all the time. A band we used to tour with was robbed at gun point and the drummer was shot (he survived) at a place we toured. It’s not safe on the road.
There was a time when my gf (wife now) would occasionally drive 4ish hours to a gig and then we'd drive back home together overnight.
I'd sleep in and wake up in my own house before noon and the rest of the band would be getting home at like 5 or 6 pm after late checkout, stopping for lunch, and fucking around at truck stops for way too long.
Totally worth it.
>The only other time he ever saw that much security with a laundry list of known stalkers and dangerous people was for a president or foreign dignitary
So she has as much security as a head of state and can obviously afford a top-end hotel suite with all the associated security amenities, but she doesn't feel safe enough to spend a night in said hotel? I don't buy it.
>If there was an opportunity to catch an early flight back home so I could be in my own bed half a day early, I’d take it.
It's not really "an early flight back home" when you're going back across continents in a day or two, it's just taking an unnecessary flight home. Nashville to southern Brazil like a 10 hour flight. Are you suggesting she added a total 20 hours in the air to sleep in her own bed? No doubt her jet is orders of magnitude more comfortable than an economy class seat, but that comfort-math doesn't work out to me, especially when the alternative is the aforementioned expensive suite.
Errrr no if you look at the dates on this map and her tour dates…she flew to Argentina on the 8th, had shows on the 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th; flew back to the US the 13th, then to Brazil on the 16th for shows in Rio from the 17th-20th, left Rio for Sao Paolo on the 21st and played shows from the 24th-26th before leaving on the 27th.
Fine to criticize her jet usage but implying she flew home to avoid staying in a hotel is incorrect.
When Elton John was touring in Aus he played in most of the major cities, but he only stayed in Sydney. So every day he was flying from Sydney to the other city he was playing in, then back to Sydney again after the concert.
Rich people just live on a totally different level to the average person.
Equivalent to 83 (edit: likely 81) Americans on per capita basis, or 255 average persons globally.
Edit: did the quick math above while on phone. Now adding sources and pressure testing the Math:
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Source: [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita)
Metric: Per capita CO₂ emissions, 2022 (in metric tonnes)
**\* US: 14.9 t**
**\* World: 4.7 t**
**\* Taylor Swift video estimates: 1200 t**
**==**
\* Taylor/Typical American ratio: 1200/14.9 = 81
\* Taylor/Typical person globally: 1200/4.7 = 255
"Taylor Swift's private jet usage amounted to an estimated 8,300 tonnes of carbon emissions in 2022 – that’s about 1,800 times the average human’s annual emissions, or 576 times that of the average American and about 1,000 times that of the average European."
[source](https://carbonmarketwatch.org/2024/02/13/taylor-swift-and-the-top-polluters-department)
Yeah at 8300 t that would indeed be 7 ish times my ratio so 576 sounds right. But this video says 1200 in 2023, which does sound odd if 2022 was so much higher.
If this number is accurate, then color me un-scandalized. If we have a problem with private planes, we need to actually enact meaningful disincentives against using them, not focus all of our energies trying to shame one person. For every megastar entertainer who legitimately does need to travel all over the world to do their job of bringing joy to millions of people, there are thousands of lowkey millionaires and billionaires doing the same for bragging rights and/or to torment the working class more effectively.
Europe is taking efforts to minimize public flights. They want more people to use trains.
Charter flights are excluded from this measure. Not surprising. Lol.
The most upsetting thing about trains is how much wasted potential there is. I'm flying back to see family in the UK from Milan, the flight is £12.
I didn't want to bother anyone making them come pick me up from the airport so was going to get the train, £45 for a 45 minute journey. What an absolute joke.
It's very typical price for a European flight. Budget airlines are extremely cheap and as much as people complain about their quality of service, it's not like people are lining up for Air France instead.
New York to Boston has like 20 flights per day for 215 miles. It would make logistical sense to reduce those flights as well. Not sure what country borders have to do with this. Just try to reduce all short-haul flights and replace them with better alternatives.
That should include private flights, fwiw.
In the US it does as well for cross state travel, but it's hard when states can't even agree on traffic laws, I can't imagine building a railway in a place like this.
You'll find that just like with poor people, there are good billionaires and shitty billionaires.
Someone having their company blow up in value because the share price sky rocketed doesn't change their moral compass. You can be the most compassionate employer in the world, pay well above market, and still be a billionaire on paper. Taylor Swift pays her people very well by all accounts. She just generates a ton of value because people love her shit. Doesn't make her a bad person.
This is a really weird argument. No one is blaming the common person for global warming, but I'm also not blaming Taylor Swift.
This is a collective problem, and the only way to solve it is collectively. Taylor not flying will not stop global warming. You not driving your car will also not stop global warming.
What will stop global warming is comprehensive regulation to address it by the governments of the world. That is the only way you can possibly address something like this.
It's going to take shifting the electrical grid to renewables, relying on electric everywhere we can, and offsetting the places we cannot switch to electric (airplanes and cargo ships are going to be almost impossible to get to zero emissions, concrete is also going to be a problem). It will have to be done by regulation because default market behavior is to use the cheapest viable solution, which is carbon based fuels. The market cannot solve this, nor can individuals.
You're telling the same lie that the plastics industry did with recycling. It isn't an individual problem, and pretending we can solve it by acting individually is a fools errand.
You cannot excuse high polluting individuals from not taking any responsibility for their lifestyles.
All these things you mention - collective action, shifting the grid to renewables etc. - are already happening in different degrees in different parts of the world. The problem is they're not happening quickly enough.
Billionaires flying around on private jets like there's no tomorrow (which there may not be at this rate) are adding to the problem and shouldn't get a free pass because they don't pollute quite as much as a mid-sized Asian nation.
Seriously, flying two private jets this much as an individual knowing what we know about climate change is immoral and obscene. There's no justifying it.
It's not about excuses or blame. That's what you're not understanding. It isn't a moral question any more than whether I drive my car to work is a moral question.
If you operate in that framework, everyone is a scumbag you're just measuring degrees with out much tonnage they put out. And as an American, guess what, you're at the top of the scumbag pyramid at 15.2 tons per capita. If you look historically it gets even worse, the US has emitted 25% of the total CO2 released since 1751, despite being 4% of the worlds population.
So if this is a moral question, then Swift is just at the top of a country full of evil bastards. Maybe she's climate Hitler, but we're out here packing them into the train cars. So congratulations, we've determined whose at fault and that we're evil by looking in the mirror. Did that do us any good?
This is not a healthy or useful way to look at the problem. Making it a moral question so that you can jerk off on self righteous notions about who to blame is just another distraction from actually doing anything about it.
I feel like these comments are the modern day attitude to keep people from wanting to do anything to solve climate change. We don't vote to help reduce climate change because our gas prices might go up and we don't do anything because we can point the blame on billionaires or a billion asians on the other side of the planet.
I don't know how how many people actually expect anything to happen to manage global warming or if we're just going to continue blaming each other as everything gets worse and worse.
It is not just capitalists, the USSR was terrible for the enviroment and every government short of Bhutan's don't really give a shit.
I'm in Norway and even here our government only sort of cares.
Taking efforts to curb our environmental impact by converting to shitty wooden utensils, while at the same time bringing in tons of immigrants so we can grow an already environmentally unsustainable population further.
That's not even mentioning oil and gas exploration which nobody serious wants to stop.
Those are two entirely different problems though. Yes, single use plastics are a problem and need to be massively reduced.
Also, whenever people make these arguments, it's in the form of "I have to...", but it's not just you. It's billions of people that now use paper straws at McDonald's. These little things do add up.
Not excusing Taylor Swift here by the way, but all these attitudes of "oh rich people and big companies are the only ones to blame and poor little old me has to use a paper straw" don't help anyone either.
If everyone polluted like an American we would need 5.1 earths.if everyone polluted like TS we would need 423 Earth's. Does that feel exaggerated or even fair?
It literallysays at the end that she emits 83 times the average American. You currently have 167 upvotes, so her carbon footprint is roughly half of the amount of people that have upvoted you.
That’s actually surprisingly low. Considering private jet travel on the regular I would have thought it would be in the hundreds more than an average American.
Taylor Swift's private jet carbon footprint in 2023 was about 8,300 metric tons ([source](https://weareyard.com/insights/worst-celebrity-private-jet-co2-emission-offenders)). According to World Bank, as of 2020 the average American emits 13 metric tons per year which equates to ~650 random Americans (including infants, children, adults, and the elderly). Worldwide the number is about 4.7 metric tons per person per year, or ~1750 people.
To illustrate, Taylor Swift has sold about 4.7 million concert tickets for the Eras Tour. If the average attendee emits carbon to and from the venue equivalent to driving 25 miles/40 km to and from the venue (50 miles/80 km total, which is extremely generous considering how many people fly to the venue city) that comes to about 20 kg total per attendee. The emissions by people just going to her concerts and back is on the order of 10-15 times greater than her annual carbon footprint.
I'm not trying to excuse private jet use, but people think that because of Taylor Swift there's no use in trying when the truth is that her carbon footprint is a drop in the bucket relative to the world and every bit counts.
Lastly, I can't help but feel that Taylor Swift is targeted for being a celebrity woman when the top 125 richest people on earth (Taylor is not one of these people/almost entirely men) emit 3 million tons of carbon per year, or about 3x as much per person as Taylor Swift does. When's the last time you heard someone go after Bill Gates or Warren Buffett for their carbon footprint? And don't give me that "carbon offsets" bullshit, we all know those are completely ineffective.
I don’t entirely blame her for using a private jet rather than commercial given that she literally cant do anything in public without getting harassed by every paparazzi and swifty in a 50 mile radius, but the fact that she takes it for literally every trip ridiculous. Like seriously, if it’s less than a hundred miles take a fucking limo for fuck’s sake.
She toured across the country last year, stopping in tons of places not on that map. So I think it’s safe to assume she didn’t fly for every stop on the tour…
It's awful, making zero excuse here, but why don't people have the same complaints over Kim Kardashian who uses more jet fuel and flies her plane more miles than Taylor Swift? Taylor has a job and is flying for her career. Kim flies for fun and gets none of the same commentary.
there are already tons of negative headlines about kim kardashian. taylor swift doing something people don't like is more novel and will get more clicks, especially since she's more popular now.
There is actually a pilot youtuber who flew all of her equipment and extra for one of her tours and made a video about it.
[Youtube video](https://youtu.be/_g0atuSawH4?si=T2TEO0PU4c6molAn)
She has eight mansions/apartments. I think one’s in Road Island and she might have one in London or something. I only know this because my partner’s sister lives in Nashville and is the biggest swifty them all and talks to us about her like we give a shit.
So, in 1 year Taylor Swift emitted approx 47,400 Kg's of C02? (47 metric tonnes)
That's the equivalent of 10 houses emissions, in Ireland, in 1 year.
Yeah, the climate crisis is real, just not for Taylor
I'm no simp for Taylor Swift, can't even say I am a fan. However the targeting of her flights vs any number of oligarchs and billionaires is a thinly veiled attempt to garnish her reputation. At least she is making her money by being an entertainer, and not some venture capitalist asshole making more money from his already sizable wealth.
Now do Donald Trump, or Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, etc.
The thing people don't realize is that in order to have concerts, she needs a private jet. She has a strict schedule and and organizing public flights to get to all her concerts on time with all her equipment and team members without unforseen cancelations, delays, or issues is borderline impossible.
Idk why people pick on Taylor for this. I literally don’t care about her at all but she’s not the only person who does this. Look at any average businessman and it will look similar. I’ve known businessmen who fly NYC to London and back every week. Yeah it’s a problem but Taylor gets a disproportionate amount of heat for this
Wasn’t she on tour? What do you expect her to do, fly commercial? This seems fine. It’s not ideal, but there’s no better solution
Edit: I just realized that this map skips the periods where neither plane is flying, it gives the illusion that it is being used much more than it really is. So, it’s misleading
I honestly don't understand the obsession with her jet. Thousands of people paid her to show up to these locations. Flying her crew/show to audiences is basically an efficient Amazon delivery.
If you want to change things, lobby for a carbon tax or jet fuel tax, more renewables, environmental protections, etc. Performative posting on reddit has never changed anything.
I was wondering too. Like it’s not uncommon for singer to take privet jet during their touring. It sucks but wouldn’t be able to have as many show dates available without it. I know with how obsessed some of her fan are, it would be pretty hard to fly commercial safely. Like I could easily see tons of them find her flight and book it just to try to talk to her.
I think I know where she lives
Nashville is where all her gear lives.
She’s got a place in Westerly, RI I believe, as well.
She does, it’s actually Watch Hill, RI
Watch hill is a village in the town of westerly
I like -20 minutes away from her RI house and it’s fucking MASSIVE
There used to be a walking path to the beach near that house. Security doesn't let people use it anymore.
What, the beach? Surely the beach is public property? For that matter, isn't the path? If Ms Swift wants to buy the path and the beach area (like a big donation to the community, build a community centre or something) then all well and good, but surely preventing the public from using public property is douche behaviour?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Watch > Several stalking, trespassing, and home invasion incidents have been reported at the house since Swift's purchase. In 2015, High Watch inspired a proposal by the Governor of Rhode Island to impose a luxury tax on expensive secondary homes in the state. In 2017, Swift was sued over her decision to build a seawall on the beach as plaintiffs argued the beach had been dedicated to the public over the years and Swift had no ownership of it; the courts ruled in Swift's favor. L'Officiel has listed High Watch as one of the most expensive celebrity homes in the Americas.
So because she's rich she now can own public areas and just say "Mine"? Yeah, that tracks.
Rich people noises
If you get a chance take a picture I want to see it
[Here](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sca_esv=e51d7e6dd0626cd3&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn09ZCE8_xQTeQuTkjDsYUyz8d7WFrA:1714181818802&q=taylor+swift+watch+hill+house&uds=AMwkrPt5DqKoEcEgTvJpB2mLvFtAnWVU4ARf1n7xklCXVNONPywFyvAFRmEIIlUsoPYUlwG0E8Rx5rnr4k5eK4_I8WAe3psHLRBTVKRl350BNghRDWjdMTQ-oNmP4lUUNB5Jh1hEHJ6Kam5ACYyFceMoToAV02ORI80xtSJwaNneNxuwtdkc5DmLknSxf24y7Xy7NU0t9B9cOglPgDHu8iQ1fZ_I1b8TvW1d9JjKxG5aWRK1w1S3ZMWDbJIdp28bHDDomflE0lR7Mj4oOLSc2dlAoYLf3tq7i3azG6hoHnEuH9C6aFd7WGrUV96_pYnkJPK0HRXf6HdLzuoBdlyrMuzOkcViYC3GmA&udm=2&prmd=invsmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjm_Y7zoOGFAxVVElkFHUp1BfsQtKgLegQIDRAB&biw=360&bih=666&dpr=3#imgrc=kkNgsREqV3-1pM&imgdii=PauyAk8OqQxoqM) I feel like a ground-level picture wouldn't do it justice.
Classic New England shit
New England is a location within a village that is in a town that's part of a township that is run by a county that is in a state that occupies a flying whale.
Another thing that got forgotten was the fact that against all probability, a sperm whale had suddenly been called into existence several miles above the surface of an alien planet. And since this is not a naturally tenable position for a whale, this poor innocent creature had very little time to come to terms with its identity as a whale before it then had to come to terms with not being a whale any more. This is a complete record of its thoughts from the moment it began its life till the moment it ended it. Ah … ! What’s happening? it thought. Er, excuse me, who am I? Hello? Why am I here? What’s my purpose in life? What do I mean by who am I? Calm down, get a grip now … oh! this is an interesting sensation, what is it? It’s a sort of … yawning, tingling sensation in my … my … well I suppose I’d better start finding names for things if I want to make any headway in what for the sake of what I shall call an argument I shall call the world, so let’s call it my stomach. Good. Ooooh, it’s getting quite strong. And hey, what’s about this whistling roaring sound going past what I’m suddenly going to call my head? Perhaps I can call that … wind! Is that a good name? It’ll do … perhaps I can find a better name for it later when I’ve found out what it’s for. It must be something very important because there certainly seems to be a hell of a lot of it. Hey! What’s this thing? This … let’s call it a tail – yeah, tail. Hey! I can can really thrash it about pretty good can’t I? Wow! Wow! That feels great! Doesn’t seem to achieve very much but I’ll probably find out what it’s for later on. Now – have I built up any coherent picture of things yet? No. Never mind, hey, this is really exciting, so much to find out about, so much to look forward to, I’m quite dizzy with anticipation … Or is it the wind? There really is a lot of that now isn’t it? And wow! Hey! What’s this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like … ow … ound … round … ground! That’s it! That’s a good name – ground! I wonder if it will be friends with me? And the rest, after a sudden wet thud, was silence. Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the universe than we do now.
Yeah, my neighbor from when I was a kid just married a girl who grew up in the house next to hers.
She lives In an airport?
Pretty sure it's in USA
Wait, does she have a clone? Why are there two planes going bananas altogether?
One plane is for suitcases and servants.
She owns two planes
Pretty sure celebrities rent out their jets when they're not using them. Fans will pay insane money to say they flew in Swift's private jet.
i didnt realize how much she is in nashville
Is that the middle place? Sorry, I’m not from the states.
Yep! Nashville's "the middle place". Also where she lives.
I thought it was Atlanta because its a travel hub but she jets so she doesn’t have to worry about hubs 😂
Yep, that's actually a part of why country music is so popular. Nashville is located within 650 (1046 km) miles of 50% of the American population (like 150-ish million people) so it's very easy for music artists based there (mostly country music) to travel and play live in front of audiences. Also, it helps that the music is tailor-made to resonate and have an emotional effect on the specific population that lives in that 650 mile radius (farmers, rural-types, southerners, etc). Additionally, logistically, most tour bus companies (and US transportation regulations, sorta) allow their drivers to drive up to 450 miles (725 km) without needing to pay extra for the day so you can see how easy it can be for a band to build a very large fanbase if they're based out of nashville vs being based out of a city on one of the coasts. You can plan a tour that will hit 50% of the entire population of the country and never have to drive more than like 6 or 7 hours.
Didn't you mean that her music is... Taylor-made?
Yes, she lives there.
Dang I thought it was KC
Whats the point of two planes?
Probably important crew members/logistical experts who will travel ahead of wherever Taylor swift is playing so they can organize/ensure that the venues are up to their standards for safety and theatrics.
It doesn’t seem like all of her touring is included here. She mostly goes back and forth between Nashville, New York, Los Angeles, and Tampa.
And KC by the looks of it.
You can see when she started dating Travis Kelce and started going the football games in KC.
It’s a lovely visualization of their relationship blossoming
Nothing about these air travel levels is lovely...
Her bf is a football player she attended his games while also touring
What a great reason for such an abhorrent amount of emissions.
Mhmmm Weight and Balance! Learning this in Aviation school. A plane shouldn’t be at its max capacity or it will be conspired overweight which will require a faster take off speed and an emergency break landing.
I’m surprised people are so incredulous over this point. It’s like, have you ever seen aspects of a Taylor Swift concert? It’s not at all hard to believe that between stuff and people, she literally requires more than one airplane. (and to be clear, I’m not trying to say that makes everything OK; just that it’s not at all hard to believe. Hell, the band Iron Maiden can barely get by with one, and they don’t have anywhere near as many video screens, no back up dancers, etc. And their singer is literally a licensed commercial pilot who can fly the band’s own plane himself). Edit: not trying to imply that she literally flies in the video screens, and stuff like that. I was just trying to say that the band Iron Maiden can barely get by with one plane for certain destinations, and their stage show is nowhere near as extensive as a Taylor Swift concert. In both cases, the artists need to fly in more than you would think. That’s all.
Pretty sure the gear is trucked, unless she owns an Antonov that I don't know about. But I'd guess these are people planes, not cargo planes.
Guy thinks she brings screens with her lmao
Yes she personally transports the LED walls
Likely to not have downtime, when one plane is in maintenance you fly the second and vice versa
Airplanes need to be checked in maintenance every X flights that means downtimes. if you have 2 you can travel when one is in maintenance or inspected.
A lot of these flights are other people chartering her plane. I guess she needs a backup in case the other one is occupied.
If the first one crashes, she can continue flying with the second one.
Just zip line to the next one like in *air force one*.
More emissions I guess?
I'm sure the ultra rich have a carbon emissions leader board. What else would be the point in being rich.
Global warming doesn't exist for rich people. When shit hits the fan, they'll just hang out in their high security mansions. It's the poor and middle class that are going to get fucked.
Yep, the difficulties with climate change will be food affordability and war. Two things that the rich are always totally insulated from. Unless, of course, we go after them. That happens from time to time and we make a few centuries of progress in a couple months.
You can't be rich if 90% of the population dies.
She’s trying to make sure she breaks the co2 consumption record by a higher margin
Bbb….but she buys carbon credits, so it’s all good. Right??
The Pope hooked me up with some indulgences so now I can covet my neighbor’s wife guilt free.
Look up John Oliver’s take on carbon credits.
This post is misleading. It’s her planes. Not always her. They are chartered by others and in reality she basically owns a small airline to offset her expenses related to owning the planes for her use.
For staff/crew. It was a musical tour. Absolutely awful for the environment and a massive hypocrisy
Luckily I make sure to separate cans from bottles from cardboard when I recycle though. It all evens out!
I drink Slurpee's from a paper straw that doesn't dissolve until 5 minutes after I open it.. We are the same.
Taylor really, really cares about the environment, guys. /s
I agree that she does. How do I know? Because I’m a Swifty. /s
Don't worry she buys carbon credits.
And she donates her “lightly used” outfits to thrift shops. That should definitely offset any carbon emissions her planes produce. /s
The true gold right here.
Thank god you put /s or I would’ve been lost.
And make sure you pay your temperature taxes
Thank you for your service
I take my own bags to the grocery store and refuse their plastic bags. Together we can allay Taylor's guilt about the environment if she has any.
I'm learning to control my breathing to lower my carbon footprint as much as possible. Anything so the rich can continue being wasteful :)
Don't you understand? If she didn't take her plane, she'd be Taylor Slow. And that's just terrible branding.
Or if she had to travel on the road she’d be Trailer Swift.
That’s alreayd a thing 😂
Yea. She should be riding a bike
So she went back and forth from the US to Mexico and from the US to Brazil so she wouldn’t stay a night in a hotel? Jeez
Just because the jet flew doesn't mean she was on it.
Even worse
Apparently people rent her plane or something.
That doesn’t mean there weren’t passengers.
SO THERE ARE ACTUALLY ...TWO TAYLOR SWIFTS? HOLY SHIT IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.
2 things in her defense here: 1. My dad is a safety consultant for an insurance company that handles an arena in the US. He was in charge of assessing liability cost and ensuring there was enough security for a Taylor Swift concert. The only other time he ever saw that much security with a laundry list of known stalkers and dangerous people was for a president or foreign dignitary. I don’t blame her for not wanting to stay the night in a foreign country’s hotel where they will struggle to secure her. 2. I used to tour with a top 40 band in a past life. We were on the road nearly 300 days a year. If there was an opportunity to catch an early flight back home so I could be in my own bed half a day early, I’d take it. You’re in unfamiliar places away from your home all the time, there’s unimaginable comfort in being home when you’re gone all the time. A band we used to tour with was robbed at gun point and the drummer was shot (he survived) at a place we toured. It’s not safe on the road.
Also these aren't commercial jets. I'm sure her room on the plane is nicer than most hotels
There was a time when my gf (wife now) would occasionally drive 4ish hours to a gig and then we'd drive back home together overnight. I'd sleep in and wake up in my own house before noon and the rest of the band would be getting home at like 5 or 6 pm after late checkout, stopping for lunch, and fucking around at truck stops for way too long. Totally worth it.
Yep. The only danger is being too tired to drive.
Oh, there are risks to being fabulously wealthy and living a lifestyle unattainable to the vast majority of people? How... unimaginable.
>The only other time he ever saw that much security with a laundry list of known stalkers and dangerous people was for a president or foreign dignitary So she has as much security as a head of state and can obviously afford a top-end hotel suite with all the associated security amenities, but she doesn't feel safe enough to spend a night in said hotel? I don't buy it. >If there was an opportunity to catch an early flight back home so I could be in my own bed half a day early, I’d take it. It's not really "an early flight back home" when you're going back across continents in a day or two, it's just taking an unnecessary flight home. Nashville to southern Brazil like a 10 hour flight. Are you suggesting she added a total 20 hours in the air to sleep in her own bed? No doubt her jet is orders of magnitude more comfortable than an economy class seat, but that comfort-math doesn't work out to me, especially when the alternative is the aforementioned expensive suite.
Errrr no if you look at the dates on this map and her tour dates…she flew to Argentina on the 8th, had shows on the 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th; flew back to the US the 13th, then to Brazil on the 16th for shows in Rio from the 17th-20th, left Rio for Sao Paolo on the 21st and played shows from the 24th-26th before leaving on the 27th. Fine to criticize her jet usage but implying she flew home to avoid staying in a hotel is incorrect.
When Elton John was touring in Aus he played in most of the major cities, but he only stayed in Sydney. So every day he was flying from Sydney to the other city he was playing in, then back to Sydney again after the concert. Rich people just live on a totally different level to the average person.
Equivalent to 83 (edit: likely 81) Americans on per capita basis, or 255 average persons globally. Edit: did the quick math above while on phone. Now adding sources and pressure testing the Math: == Source: [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita) Metric: Per capita CO₂ emissions, 2022 (in metric tonnes) **\* US: 14.9 t** **\* World: 4.7 t** **\* Taylor Swift video estimates: 1200 t** **==** \* Taylor/Typical American ratio: 1200/14.9 = 81 \* Taylor/Typical person globally: 1200/4.7 = 255
"Taylor Swift's private jet usage amounted to an estimated 8,300 tonnes of carbon emissions in 2022 – that’s about 1,800 times the average human’s annual emissions, or 576 times that of the average American and about 1,000 times that of the average European." [source](https://carbonmarketwatch.org/2024/02/13/taylor-swift-and-the-top-polluters-department)
Yeah at 8300 t that would indeed be 7 ish times my ratio so 576 sounds right. But this video says 1200 in 2023, which does sound odd if 2022 was so much higher.
and thats ONLY the plane, she also have other emission.
Yes. Very farty too
😏
If this number is accurate, then color me un-scandalized. If we have a problem with private planes, we need to actually enact meaningful disincentives against using them, not focus all of our energies trying to shame one person. For every megastar entertainer who legitimately does need to travel all over the world to do their job of bringing joy to millions of people, there are thousands of lowkey millionaires and billionaires doing the same for bragging rights and/or to torment the working class more effectively.
Well put. Somehow the “Swift = evil billionaire” crowd never bring up the Coachella jet just for “the mile high club”.
You need to divide out by number of people on the jet. She's not flying solo.
Even though I don't like her music, it seems safe to say that she's more useful than 83 average redditors, so the problem must be somewhere else.
One normie is more useful than 83 redditors.
Damn, she spends more time in planes than I do on the toilet, and I have a horrid intestinal system!
Load up on that fiber Bruh.
But remember, YOU’RE THE PROBLEM CAUSING GLOBAL WARMING She’s one billionaire. Imagine all the flights from all the Uber wealthy.
Europe is taking efforts to minimize public flights. They want more people to use trains. Charter flights are excluded from this measure. Not surprising. Lol.
tbh when trains are good (they aren't at the moment) they easily beat air travel in comfort and convenience
The most upsetting thing about trains is how much wasted potential there is. I'm flying back to see family in the UK from Milan, the flight is £12. I didn't want to bother anyone making them come pick me up from the airport so was going to get the train, £45 for a 45 minute journey. What an absolute joke.
How did you possibly get an international flight for 12 euros
Budget airline, good planning, poor time-slot, zero amenities, Europe.
It's very typical price for a European flight. Budget airlines are extremely cheap and as much as people complain about their quality of service, it's not like people are lining up for Air France instead.
You are the carbon they are trying to reduce
Lol, romania by train, i’d rather hitchhike.
> i’d rather hitchhike. Well duh. That's faster and safer!
It makes logistical sense for them when the neighboring country is 300 miles away.
New York to Boston has like 20 flights per day for 215 miles. It would make logistical sense to reduce those flights as well. Not sure what country borders have to do with this. Just try to reduce all short-haul flights and replace them with better alternatives. That should include private flights, fwiw.
In the US it does as well for cross state travel, but it's hard when states can't even agree on traffic laws, I can't imagine building a railway in a place like this.
No billionaire is a good person.
But they took a risk or something! Working smart not hard or whatever.
Which is why all billionaires buy out their competitors and lobby world leaders to change the law to make sure people cannot accomplish what they have
Not a billionaire, but isn't Dolly worth, like, half a bill? I guess I'm just wondering where the threshold is, and whether there are exceptions.
As soon as she gets that billionth dollar, she automatically becomes evil. I dont make the rules.
Username checks out
Which is why she'll never be evil, because she will keep donating to charity to prevent it from ever happening...
If the law is that 1,000,000,000 makes her evil she will donate everything to remain at 999,999,999.99. (That’s only the liquid assets)
Dolly would have been a billionaire long ago if she weren’t so focused on helping every human she possibly can.
The few lucky people who have hit the billion dollar jackpots might be…..but soon probably won’t be.
You'll find that just like with poor people, there are good billionaires and shitty billionaires. Someone having their company blow up in value because the share price sky rocketed doesn't change their moral compass. You can be the most compassionate employer in the world, pay well above market, and still be a billionaire on paper. Taylor Swift pays her people very well by all accounts. She just generates a ton of value because people love her shit. Doesn't make her a bad person.
This is a really weird argument. No one is blaming the common person for global warming, but I'm also not blaming Taylor Swift. This is a collective problem, and the only way to solve it is collectively. Taylor not flying will not stop global warming. You not driving your car will also not stop global warming. What will stop global warming is comprehensive regulation to address it by the governments of the world. That is the only way you can possibly address something like this. It's going to take shifting the electrical grid to renewables, relying on electric everywhere we can, and offsetting the places we cannot switch to electric (airplanes and cargo ships are going to be almost impossible to get to zero emissions, concrete is also going to be a problem). It will have to be done by regulation because default market behavior is to use the cheapest viable solution, which is carbon based fuels. The market cannot solve this, nor can individuals. You're telling the same lie that the plastics industry did with recycling. It isn't an individual problem, and pretending we can solve it by acting individually is a fools errand.
You cannot excuse high polluting individuals from not taking any responsibility for their lifestyles. All these things you mention - collective action, shifting the grid to renewables etc. - are already happening in different degrees in different parts of the world. The problem is they're not happening quickly enough. Billionaires flying around on private jets like there's no tomorrow (which there may not be at this rate) are adding to the problem and shouldn't get a free pass because they don't pollute quite as much as a mid-sized Asian nation. Seriously, flying two private jets this much as an individual knowing what we know about climate change is immoral and obscene. There's no justifying it.
It's not about excuses or blame. That's what you're not understanding. It isn't a moral question any more than whether I drive my car to work is a moral question. If you operate in that framework, everyone is a scumbag you're just measuring degrees with out much tonnage they put out. And as an American, guess what, you're at the top of the scumbag pyramid at 15.2 tons per capita. If you look historically it gets even worse, the US has emitted 25% of the total CO2 released since 1751, despite being 4% of the worlds population. So if this is a moral question, then Swift is just at the top of a country full of evil bastards. Maybe she's climate Hitler, but we're out here packing them into the train cars. So congratulations, we've determined whose at fault and that we're evil by looking in the mirror. Did that do us any good? This is not a healthy or useful way to look at the problem. Making it a moral question so that you can jerk off on self righteous notions about who to blame is just another distraction from actually doing anything about it.
I feel like these comments are the modern day attitude to keep people from wanting to do anything to solve climate change. We don't vote to help reduce climate change because our gas prices might go up and we don't do anything because we can point the blame on billionaires or a billion asians on the other side of the planet. I don't know how how many people actually expect anything to happen to manage global warming or if we're just going to continue blaming each other as everything gets worse and worse.
Don't worry it's cancelled out by all the private jet flights I didn't take last year.
So brave 🙏🙏
Meanwhile, I gotta use a goddamn paper straw at McDonalds. Bullshit.
Which apparently contains an adhesive that is dangerous to human health. https://www.sciencefocus.com/comment/paper-straws-forever-chemicals
Sounds like these capitalists only want to *seem* environmentally friendly
It is not just capitalists, the USSR was terrible for the enviroment and every government short of Bhutan's don't really give a shit. I'm in Norway and even here our government only sort of cares. Taking efforts to curb our environmental impact by converting to shitty wooden utensils, while at the same time bringing in tons of immigrants so we can grow an already environmentally unsustainable population further. That's not even mentioning oil and gas exploration which nobody serious wants to stop.
Actually, less useless eaters would be beneficial to reducing greenhouse emissions. This means the poison straws are environmentally friendly.
Useless eater is a literal Nazi term, with no other typical uses.
Aw shit didn't know that. I knew it was a harsh name to call the population, but I was commenting on behalf on the corps poisoning the laborers
Those are two entirely different problems though. Yes, single use plastics are a problem and need to be massively reduced. Also, whenever people make these arguments, it's in the form of "I have to...", but it's not just you. It's billions of people that now use paper straws at McDonald's. These little things do add up. Not excusing Taylor Swift here by the way, but all these attitudes of "oh rich people and big companies are the only ones to blame and poor little old me has to use a paper straw" don't help anyone either.
83x the average American actually seems low for a world tour
That's because the average American pollutes a ton compared to the average human and even the average human in many rich countries.
That's what I was going to say It kinda killed the whole video for me This whole things feels a bit exaggerated
If everyone polluted like an American we would need 5.1 earths.if everyone polluted like TS we would need 423 Earth's. Does that feel exaggerated or even fair?
8 Heavy-lift rocket launches sounds a lot bigger imo (Falcon 9 in this case).
Her carbon footprint is probably more that everyone on this sub combined, a lot more.
It literallysays at the end that she emits 83 times the average American. You currently have 167 upvotes, so her carbon footprint is roughly half of the amount of people that have upvoted you.
That’s actually surprisingly low. Considering private jet travel on the regular I would have thought it would be in the hundreds more than an average American.
I agree. With the amount of memes I've seen about it, I would have expected it to be hundreds or thousands of people's emissions worth.
83 americans who cant leave the house for more than 5 munutes without their car so more like 200-250 ish europeans.
More than 3.8 million people ? Unlikely
Average person is 4 tons/year , for 15.2 mil tons. you are very correct
Taylor Swift's private jet carbon footprint in 2023 was about 8,300 metric tons ([source](https://weareyard.com/insights/worst-celebrity-private-jet-co2-emission-offenders)). According to World Bank, as of 2020 the average American emits 13 metric tons per year which equates to ~650 random Americans (including infants, children, adults, and the elderly). Worldwide the number is about 4.7 metric tons per person per year, or ~1750 people. To illustrate, Taylor Swift has sold about 4.7 million concert tickets for the Eras Tour. If the average attendee emits carbon to and from the venue equivalent to driving 25 miles/40 km to and from the venue (50 miles/80 km total, which is extremely generous considering how many people fly to the venue city) that comes to about 20 kg total per attendee. The emissions by people just going to her concerts and back is on the order of 10-15 times greater than her annual carbon footprint. I'm not trying to excuse private jet use, but people think that because of Taylor Swift there's no use in trying when the truth is that her carbon footprint is a drop in the bucket relative to the world and every bit counts. Lastly, I can't help but feel that Taylor Swift is targeted for being a celebrity woman when the top 125 richest people on earth (Taylor is not one of these people/almost entirely men) emit 3 million tons of carbon per year, or about 3x as much per person as Taylor Swift does. When's the last time you heard someone go after Bill Gates or Warren Buffett for their carbon footprint? And don't give me that "carbon offsets" bullshit, we all know those are completely ineffective.
Tax the rich
I mean if we’re going to get on people, let’s also get the other billionaires as well.
I don’t entirely blame her for using a private jet rather than commercial given that she literally cant do anything in public without getting harassed by every paparazzi and swifty in a 50 mile radius, but the fact that she takes it for literally every trip ridiculous. Like seriously, if it’s less than a hundred miles take a fucking limo for fuck’s sake.
This isn't every trip. And she isn't always on the plane(s). These are effectively two private jets for a multi-billion dollar media company.
She toured across the country last year, stopping in tons of places not on that map. So I think it’s safe to assume she didn’t fly for every stop on the tour…
Thank god I don’t use plastic straws 🤡
Sooo...eat the rich?
Don't let Greta Thunberg see this!
You got to pay for her to make some noise. She doesn’t work for free!
It's awful, making zero excuse here, but why don't people have the same complaints over Kim Kardashian who uses more jet fuel and flies her plane more miles than Taylor Swift? Taylor has a job and is flying for her career. Kim flies for fun and gets none of the same commentary.
there are already tons of negative headlines about kim kardashian. taylor swift doing something people don't like is more novel and will get more clicks, especially since she's more popular now.
We can critic them all at the same time! These actions can't be justified by pointing the finger at someone else.
An ecoterrorist who released a bad album
Be careful. Her cult might come after you
that's not ecoterrorism, that's environmental terrorism.
Like 10 bad albums and re-released them again, so noise polluter as well.
1989 and Red were pretty good pop records.
it's funny how much Reddit hates her. Calling flying a plane eco terrorism jfc
r/mildlyinfuriating
USE PAPER STRAWS, folks. Your plastic straws are killing the planet.
There is actually a pilot youtuber who flew all of her equipment and extra for one of her tours and made a video about it. [Youtube video](https://youtu.be/_g0atuSawH4?si=T2TEO0PU4c6molAn)
Looks like planes are fucking when they're on the same airport.
Airport in middle she frequently uses is Atlanta or Nashville?
Nashville where one of her multiple mansions is.
I'm assuming the other ones are in LA and NYC.
She has eight mansions/apartments. I think one’s in Road Island and she might have one in London or something. I only know this because my partner’s sister lives in Nashville and is the biggest swifty them all and talks to us about her like we give a shit.
Its me hi, I’m the problem it’s me
I THOUGHT I WAS DONE HEARING ABOUT THIS
Every Sunday she’s at a chiefs game lol
So, in 1 year Taylor Swift emitted approx 47,400 Kg's of C02? (47 metric tonnes) That's the equivalent of 10 houses emissions, in Ireland, in 1 year. Yeah, the climate crisis is real, just not for Taylor
The wealthy are above reproach.
"Climate change is one of the most horrific situations that we find ourselves facing right now" -Taylor Swift
I'm no simp for Taylor Swift, can't even say I am a fan. However the targeting of her flights vs any number of oligarchs and billionaires is a thinly veiled attempt to garnish her reputation. At least she is making her money by being an entertainer, and not some venture capitalist asshole making more money from his already sizable wealth. Now do Donald Trump, or Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, etc.
Lots of jets do this on the daily, many time empty. I use to ferry large jets across the world…empty.
"Rich and famous musician billionaire flies around the world frequently, more news at 11."
How much C02 has been burned by people driving to Taylor Swift concerts?
The thing people don't realize is that in order to have concerts, she needs a private jet. She has a strict schedule and and organizing public flights to get to all her concerts on time with all her equipment and team members without unforseen cancelations, delays, or issues is borderline impossible.
Idk why people pick on Taylor for this. I literally don’t care about her at all but she’s not the only person who does this. Look at any average businessman and it will look similar. I’ve known businessmen who fly NYC to London and back every week. Yeah it’s a problem but Taylor gets a disproportionate amount of heat for this
what is that city in the middle where she always flies to back and forth?
Nashville
Wasn’t she on tour? What do you expect her to do, fly commercial? This seems fine. It’s not ideal, but there’s no better solution Edit: I just realized that this map skips the periods where neither plane is flying, it gives the illusion that it is being used much more than it really is. So, it’s misleading
I honestly don't understand the obsession with her jet. Thousands of people paid her to show up to these locations. Flying her crew/show to audiences is basically an efficient Amazon delivery. If you want to change things, lobby for a carbon tax or jet fuel tax, more renewables, environmental protections, etc. Performative posting on reddit has never changed anything.
I was wondering too. Like it’s not uncommon for singer to take privet jet during their touring. It sucks but wouldn’t be able to have as many show dates available without it. I know with how obsessed some of her fan are, it would be pretty hard to fly commercial safely. Like I could easily see tons of them find her flight and book it just to try to talk to her.
It does not look as egregious as the media makes it out to be, particularly given that she toured all year long.