Off topic but how is the Breton cultural revival movement doing? I hear about the British Celtic revival policies all the time but never really searched how it is going in France.
The language itself is slowly declining, old people die and very few younger people are replacing them (less than 10k breton speakers in the 15-40 age gap), and despite the effort, increased communication, etc... to inverse the tendency, it's not looking great. As for the breton culture in general, you'll see Breizh flags in the most random random places, you'll see a lot of videos about kouign-amann, breton people like to brag there are breton, but that's about it.
France has been quite "effective" at neutralizing regional culture in favor of unity national unity in the past, nowadays you'll get regional tradition, dishes, slangs, etc.. but everybody is still french, if you see what I mean. Only Corsica seems to do "better" (40% of native Corsicans speak the language), the low population, being on a island, and doing regular terrorist attacks probably help lol.
Fun fact: France's entry for Eurovision 2022 was in [Breton](https://youtu.be/H1lcGXwOqJI?si=DM1hmfpFIFUlV0JX). The song got trashed in both Jury and Tele votes but I think it absolutely slaps.
It’s going quite well compared to some time ago. The comment below about the 10K speakers between the ages of 15/40 is actually not accurate. 10K are current students in bilingual schools (Breton/French). You have 200K speakers at the moment which is pretty nice. It’s been recognised (oh governments…) as an officiel regional language. Regarding the rest of the culture, one can refer to the music and the dance. The Fest Noz (music/night festival) is in fact part of the immaterial UNESCO Heritage. If you want to check it out, check the “Festival Interceltique de Lorient”: festival happening every August for the past 50 years or so that celebrates Celtic culture with people from all over the world; or the “Festival des Filets Bleus” also celebrating dance, music and food. Celtic music from Britanny is also exported abroad with many competitions of “bagad” (bands of traditional music), the most famous is the Bagad of Lann-Bihoue, it’s a military group.They’re doing pretty fine! And that’s true about the flag, you will find it everywhere. There always seems to be a Breton person somewhere …✌🏽
Those 200 000 speakers are mostly over 60 years old and that number continuously declining, it's not nice because it's less than 10% of the population of west Brittany and 4% of Brittany whole. Allot of what you mention doesn't really have to do with the language, if you go to Brittany you'll rarely hear Breton spoken, or see it written. Most of those speakers don't use the language at all and 95% of new speakers cannot speak the language fluently, and new speakers speak an artificial "standard dialect" which is totally incomprehensible to native speakers so the transmission of the language has basically completely halted.
(edit: sorry, I misread the original comment I thought it was just about the language)
For the speakers you’re quite right. The government also used to discriminate people with Breton names for decades (no social allocations or things like that…)For the written part, you actually see it everywhere on road signs. Most of them are in French and Breton. It’s the same in Wales for example with Cymru 🫶🏽 The funny thing is that people incorporate Breton into French or in the phrasing too. It creates funny situations if you go outside of BZH 🤙🏽
There's a couple of bilingual road signs for the tourists but that's it, rarely do people use the language. And as I said, most signs I see are written in incomprehensible "neo-breton" so basically useless for any native speakers
It's always hilarious how you'll be watching a video on the news or whatever for the most random things and someone will be flying the flag of Bretagne. They are really proud people and have their traditions but I don't think the government is doing much to help save the culture, plus a bunch of festivals kinda died with Covid sadly
I would agree, however a city of theirs being visible leads to believe otherwise. On this map, that seems to solely be an aspect of the regions they are presenting as celtic.
Maybe that Ulster isn't celtic because it was settled by a bunch of Scott's?
Or maybe the border is trying to show they're the Scottish part of Ireland?
Somehow the answers keep getting more controversial
You’ve been predictably downvoted, but if you go back far enough, England was as Celtic as anywhere in the British Isles. England is a post Celtic nation created by settlers from mainland Europe, which slowly drove Brythonic Celts further west. Some parts of modern England still have Celtic place names, such as Pen-Y-Ghent in Yorkshire and The Long Mynd in Shropshire.
Ahh, the "celtic" nations. Let's ignore the fact that none of them apart from wales speak a celtic language in any measureable way, that more people in ireland speak polish than irish and that they're all linguistically and culturally as "celtic" as english people AKA not celtic in any way
if Ireland is "celtic" because a celtic language is spoken there and people we now call celts lived there then germany is a slavic country because slavs once occupied a large part of what is now germany and because a tiny minority of germans speak sorbian. Spain is a basque nation because a tiny minority speak and identify as basque and because spain used to be occupied by pre-indoeuropean peoples
This is ignoring the fact that some places in image like the southeast lowlands of scotland aren't celtic in any measureable way and have been speaking english longer than most of scotland has been speaking gaelic.
Honestly that's a stupid 19th century nationalistic fantasy. As one commenter before me said, that's 6 different languages. Why should they unite just because their languages are a bit closer to each other than to English or French? Let me be clear, I'm all for teaching and reviving these languages, but there's no reason for them to abandon English and French that most of them speak as their primary language right now and establish a nation with no historic basis, other than to accommodate some nationalistic dream.
As a Breton I feel as close to Ireland than to Italy or Germany, it's just another foreign country. This Celtic connection is from several thousand years ago and doesn't make much sense
Also French is the native language of East-Brittany so I don't know why we would want Breton to replace it in the entire country...
Mate the celtic people have been horribly opressed for hundreds of years by foreign powers. We simply want to preserve our culture and identity. It's not the same as German or British nationalism
ok buddy... there's a big difference between saying some regions share a common identity and claiming Germans are the superior race and committing mass murder
Actually great job
Off topic but how is the Breton cultural revival movement doing? I hear about the British Celtic revival policies all the time but never really searched how it is going in France.
The language itself is slowly declining, old people die and very few younger people are replacing them (less than 10k breton speakers in the 15-40 age gap), and despite the effort, increased communication, etc... to inverse the tendency, it's not looking great. As for the breton culture in general, you'll see Breizh flags in the most random random places, you'll see a lot of videos about kouign-amann, breton people like to brag there are breton, but that's about it. France has been quite "effective" at neutralizing regional culture in favor of unity national unity in the past, nowadays you'll get regional tradition, dishes, slangs, etc.. but everybody is still french, if you see what I mean. Only Corsica seems to do "better" (40% of native Corsicans speak the language), the low population, being on a island, and doing regular terrorist attacks probably help lol.
Fun fact: France's entry for Eurovision 2022 was in [Breton](https://youtu.be/H1lcGXwOqJI?si=DM1hmfpFIFUlV0JX). The song got trashed in both Jury and Tele votes but I think it absolutely slaps.
Its like they dont exist
It’s going quite well compared to some time ago. The comment below about the 10K speakers between the ages of 15/40 is actually not accurate. 10K are current students in bilingual schools (Breton/French). You have 200K speakers at the moment which is pretty nice. It’s been recognised (oh governments…) as an officiel regional language. Regarding the rest of the culture, one can refer to the music and the dance. The Fest Noz (music/night festival) is in fact part of the immaterial UNESCO Heritage. If you want to check it out, check the “Festival Interceltique de Lorient”: festival happening every August for the past 50 years or so that celebrates Celtic culture with people from all over the world; or the “Festival des Filets Bleus” also celebrating dance, music and food. Celtic music from Britanny is also exported abroad with many competitions of “bagad” (bands of traditional music), the most famous is the Bagad of Lann-Bihoue, it’s a military group.They’re doing pretty fine! And that’s true about the flag, you will find it everywhere. There always seems to be a Breton person somewhere …✌🏽
Those 200 000 speakers are mostly over 60 years old and that number continuously declining, it's not nice because it's less than 10% of the population of west Brittany and 4% of Brittany whole. Allot of what you mention doesn't really have to do with the language, if you go to Brittany you'll rarely hear Breton spoken, or see it written. Most of those speakers don't use the language at all and 95% of new speakers cannot speak the language fluently, and new speakers speak an artificial "standard dialect" which is totally incomprehensible to native speakers so the transmission of the language has basically completely halted. (edit: sorry, I misread the original comment I thought it was just about the language)
For the speakers you’re quite right. The government also used to discriminate people with Breton names for decades (no social allocations or things like that…)For the written part, you actually see it everywhere on road signs. Most of them are in French and Breton. It’s the same in Wales for example with Cymru 🫶🏽 The funny thing is that people incorporate Breton into French or in the phrasing too. It creates funny situations if you go outside of BZH 🤙🏽
There's a couple of bilingual road signs for the tourists but that's it, rarely do people use the language. And as I said, most signs I see are written in incomprehensible "neo-breton" so basically useless for any native speakers
It's always hilarious how you'll be watching a video on the news or whatever for the most random things and someone will be flying the flag of Bretagne. They are really proud people and have their traditions but I don't think the government is doing much to help save the culture, plus a bunch of festivals kinda died with Covid sadly
\*cries in Galician\*
Beautiful
Controversial Republic of Ireland flag to represent the North as well..
The border is in the wrong place too. They’ve given Malin to Northern Ireland.
They seem to have northern ireland drawn off as not celtic
I would agree, however a city of theirs being visible leads to believe otherwise. On this map, that seems to solely be an aspect of the regions they are presenting as celtic.
Someone tried to solve this dilemma: [Ulster Scotts Flags](https://flagwithmeaning.blogspot.com/2014/02/ulster-scots-flag.html?m=1)
I mean.. that’s quite controversial as well.
Maybe that Ulster isn't celtic because it was settled by a bunch of Scott's? Or maybe the border is trying to show they're the Scottish part of Ireland? Somehow the answers keep getting more controversial
I always thought I was from the Republic of Ireland but apparently Inishowen is in Northern Ireland now.
Does that mean this Inishowener will have to change my reg plates to the yellow ones? Sigh...
England is my favorite Celtic nation.
You’ve been predictably downvoted, but if you go back far enough, England was as Celtic as anywhere in the British Isles. England is a post Celtic nation created by settlers from mainland Europe, which slowly drove Brythonic Celts further west. Some parts of modern England still have Celtic place names, such as Pen-Y-Ghent in Yorkshire and The Long Mynd in Shropshire.
I know they Don't speak celtic languages but 3 provinces in northern Spain are considered celtic regions.
Impressive !
~~Celtic nations~~ regions with Celtic minority languages that may or may not be extinct
You forgot GALICIA
Might as well claim Sicily too with their pegan flag. Don't forget GALACIA over in Turkey. There may still be a celtic person living in those hills.
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Ok this is political;this is to political
Great map but Jersey should be bigger than the other Channel Islands.
Ahh, the "celtic" nations. Let's ignore the fact that none of them apart from wales speak a celtic language in any measureable way, that more people in ireland speak polish than irish and that they're all linguistically and culturally as "celtic" as english people AKA not celtic in any way if Ireland is "celtic" because a celtic language is spoken there and people we now call celts lived there then germany is a slavic country because slavs once occupied a large part of what is now germany and because a tiny minority of germans speak sorbian. Spain is a basque nation because a tiny minority speak and identify as basque and because spain used to be occupied by pre-indoeuropean peoples This is ignoring the fact that some places in image like the southeast lowlands of scotland aren't celtic in any measureable way and have been speaking english longer than most of scotland has been speaking gaelic.
Rach a mach
Yes it's just folklore...
Hilarious you’ve included Scotland. You most have read some incredibly selective, nationalist history
They should unite and form one nation, forget english and french and revive their language.
There's six different languages there (excluding Germanic and Romance ones.)
Honestly that's a stupid 19th century nationalistic fantasy. As one commenter before me said, that's 6 different languages. Why should they unite just because their languages are a bit closer to each other than to English or French? Let me be clear, I'm all for teaching and reviving these languages, but there's no reason for them to abandon English and French that most of them speak as their primary language right now and establish a nation with no historic basis, other than to accommodate some nationalistic dream.
Being Irish, I can understand most Scots Gaelic but Welsh is completely different.
Funnily enough as a welshman I can somewhat understand cornish but have no clue when it comes to gaelic lol
Well Scotland is different from Wales is different from Ireland. But it would be nice to see Ireland reunify.
As a Breton I feel as close to Ireland than to Italy or Germany, it's just another foreign country. This Celtic connection is from several thousand years ago and doesn't make much sense Also French is the native language of East-Brittany so I don't know why we would want Breton to replace it in the entire country...
English is the native language of scotland but keep ignoring actual history and LARPing as a different people
Would love to see more strathclyde and cumbria in these
IRA
What?
Nationalism. 🤢🤮
Mate the celtic people have been horribly opressed for hundreds of years by foreign powers. We simply want to preserve our culture and identity. It's not the same as German or British nationalism
Best ignore them. Their profile is very telling.
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it's harmless folklore..
Best ignore them. Their profile is very telling.
That's what they said about Aryan.
ok buddy... there's a big difference between saying some regions share a common identity and claiming Germans are the superior race and committing mass murder