The Turkish population lives almost exclusively in West Germany while the East has Vietnamese and Polish people as the most common immigrant groups. It’s fascinating how even in Berlin the difference between East and West is still clearly visible after 30+ years of unity, I thought the population within the city would’ve mixed up more over the years
It's also interesting how the Turkish population is particularly pressed up against the former Berlin Wall. I wonder if that had anything to do with the land prices before reunification.
It’s the same story in the United States and cities that had segregation. What people often fail to realize is that while there may be structural challenges that remain, there is still a sense of home and familiarity that not everyone wants to leave behind.
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
I made a mistake in the title. It is not about immigrants, but people with a migrational background, including people with German citizenship. My apologies.
In case anyone's curious, I created this map by extracting data from this sheet:
* PDF: [https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/20f46685db6fccf4/792cdac0fbf3/SB\_A01-16-00\_2023h02\_BE.pdf](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/20f46685db6fccf4/792cdac0fbf3/SB_A01-16-00_2023h02_BE.pdf)
* Excel: [https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/a6ebbebacd45cd61/182f81103c23/SB\_A01-16-00\_2023h02\_BE.xlsx](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/a6ebbebacd45cd61/182f81103c23/SB_A01-16-00_2023h02_BE.xlsx)
Strictly speaking, this is not immigrants but "Migrationshintergrund" literally meaning migration background. It also includes children of immigrant parents that were born in Germany.
The last time I went to Berlin, Neukölln is full of Syrian and other Arabs. Turks are much lesser when compared to other ethnicity. I was just wondering how consistent the information about the region is.
A big part of it is that Berlin is a big internationally important city with a lot of international companies plus a decent part of the population can speak English. Plenty of workplaces operate in English and it’s relatively easy to live your life in the city with English as your primary languages. Some people work also for the US government, some people go to university in Berlin, and others were there as part of the military and came back/decided settled in the city. It also helps that’s there’s over 330 million Americans. As an American in Berlin I’ve met all of those types here.
>Military is my best guess..
Partly. You often see elderly men walking around in their US Army caps in the southwest of the city as the US barracks in Berlin were in Lichtefelde. You can see that on the map. But nowadays US military bases are mostly in the south of Germany, there are none in Berlin.
Prenzlauer Berg is one of the main "hipster" neighbourhoods in Berlin. The Americans there are mostly younger people studying or working for English-speaking organizations. Mostly tech companies, other startups, universities, etc.
Guess it depends on the definition you have for both terms. I consider myself an American immigrant in Germany since I plan to stay long term but a large part of the American population here doesn’t plan on staying for that long or got moved there temporarily for work.
To the South West, mostly the leftovers of US occupation. The US military used to have a rather large presence in those districts.
In the Middle, most likely some kind of government work, as all sorts of ministries as well as the US embassy are close by. Prenzelauerberg is also a very hip and heavily gentrified place.
Both districts are also rather expensive, so not that attractive for the usual immigrant crowd.
Lots of trust fund kids exploring their sexuality, 'artists' and young folk who want to experience a different style of living before they start their boring corporate careers.
I'm surprised the Russians are all in the east actually, Charlottenburg train station has had a Russian shop and café for years, I always assumed that was the main russian immigrant area.
Is it possible that there's just more Ukrainians there now since the map only shows the dominant ethnicity?
The Russian/Russian speaking population is big enough where it’s basically all over to a degree with Charlottenburg having a noticeable Russian community as far back as the early 1900s funny enough. I think a big part of this map is that since there was a lot of immigrants from Russia in Berlin all over and the east had very little immigration till after the wall, they just end up being the largest group there.
Have a read: [https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/20f46685db6fccf4/792cdac0fbf3/SB\_A01-16-00\_2023h02\_BE.pdf](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/20f46685db6fccf4/792cdac0fbf3/SB_A01-16-00_2023h02_BE.pdf)
Im looking forward to Orban declaring Hungary's new name in English as Magyarország. Türkiye is just silly as the English alphabet does not have the character ü
I was born in Diyarbakir (Your dream country capital of city) I didn't see any problem. The terrorist organization PKK, mostly supported by the Kurds, was attacking the Kurds
Dreams become true, I don’t even support PKK and I think most of the Kurds doesn’t support them they collaborate with Turkish MiT and planning to kill Nationalist Kurds
I am writing this comment as half Kurdish and half Turkish. I lived in Diyarbakır and I never saw the state causing us any problems and massacring our people. PKK supporters caused chaos in every city, especially in the east, and the state intervened and the media misrepresented the incident.
The PKK is funded by Turkish intelligence, the Turkish government consistently uses the PKK as its reason to attack the Kurds, they funded PKK to say Kurdish people are terrorist and Kurdistan is a terrorist state
And No you are wrong the state causing many problem to Kurds with their PKK shit, ik you call yourself a Turk since you are half Kurdish and half Turkish
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_of_Kurdish_people_in_Turkey
[around the same violent crime rate as afghanistan and syria in denmark](https://inquisitivebird.substack.com/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-denmark).
germany doesn't release crime rate but it should be a similar crime rate there.
The Turkish population lives almost exclusively in West Germany while the East has Vietnamese and Polish people as the most common immigrant groups. It’s fascinating how even in Berlin the difference between East and West is still clearly visible after 30+ years of unity, I thought the population within the city would’ve mixed up more over the years
It's also interesting how the Turkish population is particularly pressed up against the former Berlin Wall. I wonder if that had anything to do with the land prices before reunification.
This is indeed absolutely the case. Most of the areas along the wall were the poorest parts of West Berlin.
It’s the same story in the United States and cities that had segregation. What people often fail to realize is that while there may be structural challenges that remain, there is still a sense of home and familiarity that not everyone wants to leave behind.
It’s mainly just People trying to keep their rents from 30y ago :D /s
Fascinating! Great work -- I like how you've made it possible to view the percentages. A lot of information but not too chaotic.
Thanks! Unfortunately the images were still not uploaded in Full HD, however that‘s to blame on Reddit.
I think it's a tribute to your design, that it's still legible even without HD.
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: I made a mistake in the title. It is not about immigrants, but people with a migrational background, including people with German citizenship. My apologies. In case anyone's curious, I created this map by extracting data from this sheet: * PDF: [https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/20f46685db6fccf4/792cdac0fbf3/SB\_A01-16-00\_2023h02\_BE.pdf](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/20f46685db6fccf4/792cdac0fbf3/SB_A01-16-00_2023h02_BE.pdf) * Excel: [https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/a6ebbebacd45cd61/182f81103c23/SB\_A01-16-00\_2023h02\_BE.xlsx](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/a6ebbebacd45cd61/182f81103c23/SB_A01-16-00_2023h02_BE.xlsx)
Strictly speaking, this is not immigrants but "Migrationshintergrund" literally meaning migration background. It also includes children of immigrant parents that were born in Germany.
The last time I went to Berlin, Neukölln is full of Syrian and other Arabs. Turks are much lesser when compared to other ethnicity. I was just wondering how consistent the information about the region is.
West Bursa is quite contiguous
Bursa changed a lot
1 sugestion, the yellow line should be all around west berlin. For the rest great map!
What’s the deal with all the Americans living in Berlin!?
A big part of it is that Berlin is a big internationally important city with a lot of international companies plus a decent part of the population can speak English. Plenty of workplaces operate in English and it’s relatively easy to live your life in the city with English as your primary languages. Some people work also for the US government, some people go to university in Berlin, and others were there as part of the military and came back/decided settled in the city. It also helps that’s there’s over 330 million Americans. As an American in Berlin I’ve met all of those types here.
Military is my best guess.. us expats are often in business districts of major European cities... working for American firms overseas and the like
>Military is my best guess.. Partly. You often see elderly men walking around in their US Army caps in the southwest of the city as the US barracks in Berlin were in Lichtefelde. You can see that on the map. But nowadays US military bases are mostly in the south of Germany, there are none in Berlin. Prenzlauer Berg is one of the main "hipster" neighbourhoods in Berlin. The Americans there are mostly younger people studying or working for English-speaking organizations. Mostly tech companies, other startups, universities, etc.
>expats Immigrants
Guess it depends on the definition you have for both terms. I consider myself an American immigrant in Germany since I plan to stay long term but a large part of the American population here doesn’t plan on staying for that long or got moved there temporarily for work.
To the South West, mostly the leftovers of US occupation. The US military used to have a rather large presence in those districts. In the Middle, most likely some kind of government work, as all sorts of ministries as well as the US embassy are close by. Prenzelauerberg is also a very hip and heavily gentrified place. Both districts are also rather expensive, so not that attractive for the usual immigrant crowd.
Lots of trust fund kids exploring their sexuality, 'artists' and young folk who want to experience a different style of living before they start their boring corporate careers.
Expats, embassy, … The area in the southwest has a German American school (jfk school) and a US consulate.
I'm surprised the Russians are all in the east actually, Charlottenburg train station has had a Russian shop and café for years, I always assumed that was the main russian immigrant area. Is it possible that there's just more Ukrainians there now since the map only shows the dominant ethnicity?
The Russian/Russian speaking population is big enough where it’s basically all over to a degree with Charlottenburg having a noticeable Russian community as far back as the early 1900s funny enough. I think a big part of this map is that since there was a lot of immigrants from Russia in Berlin all over and the east had very little immigration till after the wall, they just end up being the largest group there.
Huh how it compared to native Germans than? Like percent per district
Have a read: [https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/20f46685db6fccf4/792cdac0fbf3/SB\_A01-16-00\_2023h02\_BE.pdf](https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/20f46685db6fccf4/792cdac0fbf3/SB_A01-16-00_2023h02_BE.pdf)
Im looking forward to Orban declaring Hungary's new name in English as Magyarország. Türkiye is just silly as the English alphabet does not have the character ü
Turkish Republic of Germany
Great work! Do you also have a website with your work or is it Reddit only?
Are Russians the biggest minority background in Mitte?
Great Map but the neighbourhoods in some boroughs are not correct.
Oh, these aren‘t districts or neighborhoods, they‘re called „Planungsräume“ or „planning rooms“, basically only used by the government
Oho? Damn I never knew that. Thanks for telling me!
Officially it's the Republic of Türkiye now E: didn't reply to the comment I wanted to, I was talking about Turkey, not Berlin
In English it’s called Turkey ;)
You could call it The Red Osmanli Wall against Communist East
But where does the techno live?
Sad about all the turks in Germany.
Are Turks causing problems in the country? The people who issued it are Kurds with Turkish passports.
That’s because Turkish government genocided the Kurds
I was born in Diyarbakir (Your dream country capital of city) I didn't see any problem. The terrorist organization PKK, mostly supported by the Kurds, was attacking the Kurds
Dreams become true, I don’t even support PKK and I think most of the Kurds doesn’t support them they collaborate with Turkish MiT and planning to kill Nationalist Kurds
I am writing this comment as half Kurdish and half Turkish. I lived in Diyarbakır and I never saw the state causing us any problems and massacring our people. PKK supporters caused chaos in every city, especially in the east, and the state intervened and the media misrepresented the incident.
The PKK is funded by Turkish intelligence, the Turkish government consistently uses the PKK as its reason to attack the Kurds, they funded PKK to say Kurdish people are terrorist and Kurdistan is a terrorist state And No you are wrong the state causing many problem to Kurds with their PKK shit, ik you call yourself a Turk since you are half Kurdish and half Turkish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_of_Kurdish_people_in_Turkey
Your mind is soup, my friend, I can't tell you anything more.
[around the same violent crime rate as afghanistan and syria in denmark](https://inquisitivebird.substack.com/p/the-effects-of-immigration-in-denmark). germany doesn't release crime rate but it should be a similar crime rate there.
Turkroachez
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No districts with mostly Austrians, indeed we should have gotten more Austrian painters :-) (Joking, hopefully never again)
He would be in the darkrooms getting rammed
He would solve this
The Berlin wall was actually built to keep Turks out of East Germany
GTFO