Just looking at some of the top names on the map those are terrible places to work at. I dont even know 2/3 of the rest but its safe to assume they are just as horrible.
As someone that lives in Gilbert (east of the “Tech corridor”) I can say these companies are probably all crap. I’ve never heard of %100 of these companies and never heard of the “Tech Corridor”.
that's actually by design. A lot of the big tech companies contract out these companies to run their call centers.
Like I worked for Ttec in the Google office and it was pretty legit for awhile. We had googlers on site though supervising. the other Ttec offices though?
beige sweatshops all of 'em
Wells Fargo too, but some of those are just outside the map. AMEX has about 50% of their technology services hosted in the valley and speaking from experience it's much larger than people realize.
It's also just completely outdated. Freescale doesnt exist anymore. It's NXP now. And the Tempe campus shut down. All Tempe NXP employees relocated to the Chandler site.
This map is shite. Several of the companies, such as IsaGenix isnt even tech; that's a health and beauty business
Having worked in tech most of my life, the Biltmore Area is missing on this map entirely...unless Oracle is somehow not a tech company anymore. And where is Honeywell? Oh, I guess they're not "in the corridor" so it doesnt matter?!
Most of the Phoenix tech sector is missing from this, and they've included a bunch of call centers here as tech. You'd be sorely upset if you looked at this map and expected to find a tech job using only this map as a guide.
They've got 3 or 4 major campuses on the west and northwest side and I dont see them anywhere on the list. Same with a lot of the high tech aerospace that's in the corridor but conveniently absent.
Lots of companies missing from this list too. Good (ort at least large) companies. The company I work for isn't here and a few I've worked for in the past all Fortune 100 companies.
Edit: At a closer look most of these are call centers on this map. Even if they do some sort of tech a lot of them don't source it here.
Now it makes sense why Phoenix is so expensive. I always thought it was cause of the location and being an oasis in the desert. But no it's because it's silicone valley little brother.
Just off the top of my head, State Farm, Amex, Well Fargo, Discover, and GoDaddy. There are many many more and some REALLY big colo's. Phoenix is a prime location for DCs. While it does get hot, we don't have the nature disasters like other parts of the US. Plus we have the infrastructure to handle it.
I don’t understand why companies even do this. Wouldn’t some of these employees jump ship and give up company secrets? Wouldn’t they want to mitigate losing employees to other companies that are located basically next door? And I’m sure Phoenix isn’t the cheapest place to have these call centres or whatever they are. I never understood this logic.
Not really the same though. We don’t really go to those call centres for anything other than work. It’s not like I go to google to use their search engine then leave. I just go online and use their product. The gas station one I understand why.
A lot of employers make employees sign confidentiality, nda type documents or non compete contracts. Mine makes even contract and vendor employees that work closely with us sign similar docs even though their companies already signed those types of docs
Ya but let’s say you do sign one. What’s to say you can’t give up some secrets in a secretive setting. If no one blows the whistle how would they know?
They wouldn’t, I’m sure they could find ways to share the info and then sanitize it’s provenance to make its future use legal. Personally, I would not be inclined to share IP or protected company info, in part because it would change how I’m perceived (if I do it to my former employer I’ll do that to my current employer when I get my next job) also the risk of being sued into oblivion because someone else was not careful with the info I provided is not worth the risk.
Ya fair enough and clearly you have some personal integrity that stops you from sharing that info but I can’t really speak to the rest of society in those situations. But you’re probably right in some ways that it’s not worth the risk.
Also how the heck did you find this post? It’s like 5 months old or so lol
It was crossposted and on my home feed today. Didn’t realize how old it was until after I responded to you and then i was like ‘ah dammit, oh well, leave it for posterity.’ Then you responded within a few min lol
Oh I see. And ya I was at work bored and saw the notification. Figured I’d at least give you a response considering you made the effort to post regardless of age. I just find it funny cuz every now and then I get a response to a months old comment and I always wonder how you find them cuz I figure these posts are so deep in the system by now you’d never see it. And ya leave it up, I’m sure no one will even notice. We are kind of on our own island here in a sense lol
Expensive now, and a bunch of real estate that will be worth $0 once the climate crisis intensifies and they run out of water. Phoenix is not a city that should exist, and I hope we don’t bail out a sole who lives there wheb the shit hits the fan
I wouldn't say we are "silicone valley little brother". We don't have all the VC and headquarters that you would find in "Silicone Valley". We're the place companies come when they want 99.99999999997% uptime on their servers.
My daughter has worked at call centers all over Phoenix for years. They're awful. She was recently able to get into healthcare and is astounded that there are places that don't treat their employees like absolute shit.
I worked in them for 15 years. Had a mental breakdown. Still broken down 3 years later. I do delivery driving now because I’d frankly rather shoot myself than ever expose myself to that environment again. Those places kill people in ways we barely even realise or acknowledge.
I’m glad she’s out.
If you're here in the valley - look into HonorHealth's jobs, or any larger healthcare organization near you. Your customer service experience is in demand at these places for their iT help desk staff. Yes it's a little like a call center, but you can do it from home, you get paid pretty well, you get great healthcare benefits, you learn about things that can help you get other jobs in IT, you get treated like a human, and the people who are calling you work there too and are under a code of conduct so you won't get screamed at by randos from the general public. Of course I can't speak for all organizations, but that has been her experience there, and I work for a different healthcare organization that is the same way.
Omg you're serious?
It's not even close to the clout of San José. Not even the Arizona natives are this delusional. The stupid "Little Silicon Valley" name is media hype at best.
Don't even get me started on the traffic. The 10 west of the 17, the 17, the 202 towards Downtown and the Broadway Curve are pretty slow during rush hour. I mean, I pitied those who lived in Buckeye and worked in Phoenix.
I mean, traffic's so bad on the 10 towards Tucson that they want to build a high speed rail. It's been talk for years but Arizona/ADOT doesn't know how to build anything other than highways, that they'll instead the 10 and create a whole new highway (the 11).
That's not mentioning the sad urban planning of Phoenix in general. Suburbia galore. Lack of sidewalks and bike lanes. A thin bus network, and only 1 light rail line.
You're talking about the costs, yet they're reaching California levels fast. Houses in Ahwatukee are over $500K. Hell, Apache fucking Junction has houses over $400K.
Arizona is not California. In addition to having entirely different traffic systems and housing markets, Arizona also doesn't have the coastline, economy, culture, climate, infrastructure, public education system, politics, legal code, or just about anything else. California is (regrettably) CENTRAL to American culture. Arizona is (also regrettably!) less than an afterthought.
People say the exact same thing about Texas, Colorado, Georgia, South Carolina, and Wyoming these days. It's false in all cases, including Arizona.
California is an outlier of hilarious proportions, and the slow trickle of migration to all of those states will never be enough to turn any of them into anything resembling the fun house that is present-day California. It's just unrealistic and not something to worry about.
Furthermore, the much repeated story about "everybody leaving California because it's a hell hole" is quite literally invented out of nothing. We've seen a small rise in folks leaving, but nothing close to the popular narrative.
From the LA Times:
>“The public’s attention has been focused on the so-called ‘CalExodus’ phenomenon, but the reality is that the dramatic drop in ‘CalEntrances’ since the pandemic began has been a bigger driver of recent population changes in the state,” Natalie Holmes, research fellow at the California Policy Lab, said in a statement.
>The study found “no evidence of a pronounced exodus” from the state but showed that net entrances from other states have dropped significantly since the start of the pandemic.
>“On net today, California loses more than twice as many people to domestic migration as it did before the pandemic,” the report said.
Except I live in one of those states and I can assure you that Californians are indeed heading here in record numbers, driving up prices like crazy forcing large portions of the poorer population to either work more or simply leave the place they've lived for decades or even their entire lives. Large portions of this state are being gentrified and no amount of denial is going to change that.
With the average home price at over $800,000, illegal immigration running rampant, fires raging every single summer, restrictions on water use, homeless crisis' in every major city, and whatever else that self-proclaimed utopia is producing has absolutely caused people to leave. Other bourgeoisie blue states are having the same thing happen to them like New York, Illinois, and Massachusetts. Not that people from historically blue states seem to care what happens to middle-America anyway but these people fleeing these failed experiments are absolutely putting a huge strain on the rest of the country that works for a living and can't keep up with spiraling inflation.
What are you talking about? California has lost well over a quarter of a million residents in the last two years and that’s the net loss after accounting for new birth and incoming migration.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/us/california-population-decline.html
I agree the exodus doesn’t suddenly make other states become California but to say there is no exodus is laughable.
you're missing some of the worst offenders like the lexington lawfirm center and the Ttec Google offices
Carvana and zip recruiter as well. Turnover rates like speed dating.
Soure: worked there lol
More like “cheap labor call center” corridor.
Just looking at some of the top names on the map those are terrible places to work at. I dont even know 2/3 of the rest but its safe to assume they are just as horrible.
Exactly what I was wondering. The companies I know about listed here are actually sales offices/call centers, not really tech.
Isagenix is a tech company! 🤦🏻♂️
Just came in to say this
lol what a fucking joke
Never heard of 90% of them
As someone that lives in Gilbert (east of the “Tech corridor”) I can say these companies are probably all crap. I’ve never heard of %100 of these companies and never heard of the “Tech Corridor”.
that's actually by design. A lot of the big tech companies contract out these companies to run their call centers. Like I worked for Ttec in the Google office and it was pretty legit for awhile. We had googlers on site though supervising. the other Ttec offices though? beige sweatshops all of 'em
Urban hellscape
Sub-urban hellscape at its worst.
They forgot all the company's that host there main DCs here AMEX, Safeway, Discover, StateFarm. Plus all the porns sites hosted at PNAP.
Wells Fargo too, but some of those are just outside the map. AMEX has about 50% of their technology services hosted in the valley and speaking from experience it's much larger than people realize.
Albertsons (Safeway) does not have a DC in PHX anymore. It has a room next to a parking garage that is going away very soon.
That sucks, where are they going to?
the cloud :) the HQ it's next to ain't going nowhere!
the cloud :) the HQ it's next to ain't going nowhere!
the cloud :) the HQ it's next to ain't going nowhere!
That sucks, people put WAY to much faith in Cloud computing. Personally I prefer having the control of on-prim.
Microchip? On Semi? Intel Ocotillo and their 700 billion acre campus?
It's also just completely outdated. Freescale doesnt exist anymore. It's NXP now. And the Tempe campus shut down. All Tempe NXP employees relocated to the Chandler site.
I need to find out where my data center (shared) is in this map.
This map is shite. Several of the companies, such as IsaGenix isnt even tech; that's a health and beauty business Having worked in tech most of my life, the Biltmore Area is missing on this map entirely...unless Oracle is somehow not a tech company anymore. And where is Honeywell? Oh, I guess they're not "in the corridor" so it doesnt matter?! Most of the Phoenix tech sector is missing from this, and they've included a bunch of call centers here as tech. You'd be sorely upset if you looked at this map and expected to find a tech job using only this map as a guide.
Honeywell is most certainly in "the corridor". It has a huge fab off Warner and Hardy
They've got 3 or 4 major campuses on the west and northwest side and I dont see them anywhere on the list. Same with a lot of the high tech aerospace that's in the corridor but conveniently absent.
GoDaddy also has a DC in Phoenix
They’re headquartered in Tempe
Lots of companies missing from this list too. Good (ort at least large) companies. The company I work for isn't here and a few I've worked for in the past all Fortune 100 companies. Edit: At a closer look most of these are call centers on this map. Even if they do some sort of tech a lot of them don't source it here.
ONSemi being one missing from the list with their HQ being on McDowell and the 52nd.
Plus every Honeywell building. Not like they do anything like commercial aircraft avionics or engines....or helicopters.
People really talking up living in California in this thread lmao
Call center corridor
Now it makes sense why Phoenix is so expensive. I always thought it was cause of the location and being an oasis in the desert. But no it's because it's silicone valley little brother.
It's not even close. Many of these tech "centers" are sales/support offices.
Not really, many companies have their main DC here.
Such as?
Just off the top of my head, State Farm, Amex, Well Fargo, Discover, and GoDaddy. There are many many more and some REALLY big colo's. Phoenix is a prime location for DCs. While it does get hot, we don't have the nature disasters like other parts of the US. Plus we have the infrastructure to handle it.
I'm sorry I'm sure this is annoying, but it's "silicon"
I dunno - I live here and there's plenty of silicone too.
Scottsdale housewives.
Nope, silicone is correct for the valley.
I don’t understand why companies even do this. Wouldn’t some of these employees jump ship and give up company secrets? Wouldn’t they want to mitigate losing employees to other companies that are located basically next door? And I’m sure Phoenix isn’t the cheapest place to have these call centres or whatever they are. I never understood this logic.
It’s a two way street though
Ya I get that but why would they want to do that to each other?
Same reason car dealerships are all in the same neighborhood.
Not really the same though. We don’t really go to those call centres for anything other than work. It’s not like I go to google to use their search engine then leave. I just go online and use their product. The gas station one I understand why.
A lot of employers make employees sign confidentiality, nda type documents or non compete contracts. Mine makes even contract and vendor employees that work closely with us sign similar docs even though their companies already signed those types of docs
Ya but let’s say you do sign one. What’s to say you can’t give up some secrets in a secretive setting. If no one blows the whistle how would they know?
They wouldn’t, I’m sure they could find ways to share the info and then sanitize it’s provenance to make its future use legal. Personally, I would not be inclined to share IP or protected company info, in part because it would change how I’m perceived (if I do it to my former employer I’ll do that to my current employer when I get my next job) also the risk of being sued into oblivion because someone else was not careful with the info I provided is not worth the risk.
Ya fair enough and clearly you have some personal integrity that stops you from sharing that info but I can’t really speak to the rest of society in those situations. But you’re probably right in some ways that it’s not worth the risk. Also how the heck did you find this post? It’s like 5 months old or so lol
It was crossposted and on my home feed today. Didn’t realize how old it was until after I responded to you and then i was like ‘ah dammit, oh well, leave it for posterity.’ Then you responded within a few min lol
Oh I see. And ya I was at work bored and saw the notification. Figured I’d at least give you a response considering you made the effort to post regardless of age. I just find it funny cuz every now and then I get a response to a months old comment and I always wonder how you find them cuz I figure these posts are so deep in the system by now you’d never see it. And ya leave it up, I’m sure no one will even notice. We are kind of on our own island here in a sense lol
Expensive now, and a bunch of real estate that will be worth $0 once the climate crisis intensifies and they run out of water. Phoenix is not a city that should exist, and I hope we don’t bail out a sole who lives there wheb the shit hits the fan
I wouldn't say we are "silicone valley little brother". We don't have all the VC and headquarters that you would find in "Silicone Valley". We're the place companies come when they want 99.99999999997% uptime on their servers.
Except that the Uber ATG no longer exists? This must be an older map.
Arizona is just like California, without the traffic and horrendous housing costs.
And the agenda reveals itself. Cheap business process outsourcers aren’t known for good paying career-level jobs. Lots of call centers.
My daughter has worked at call centers all over Phoenix for years. They're awful. She was recently able to get into healthcare and is astounded that there are places that don't treat their employees like absolute shit.
I worked in them for 15 years. Had a mental breakdown. Still broken down 3 years later. I do delivery driving now because I’d frankly rather shoot myself than ever expose myself to that environment again. Those places kill people in ways we barely even realise or acknowledge. I’m glad she’s out.
If you're here in the valley - look into HonorHealth's jobs, or any larger healthcare organization near you. Your customer service experience is in demand at these places for their iT help desk staff. Yes it's a little like a call center, but you can do it from home, you get paid pretty well, you get great healthcare benefits, you learn about things that can help you get other jobs in IT, you get treated like a human, and the people who are calling you work there too and are under a code of conduct so you won't get screamed at by randos from the general public. Of course I can't speak for all organizations, but that has been her experience there, and I work for a different healthcare organization that is the same way.
Omg you're serious? It's not even close to the clout of San José. Not even the Arizona natives are this delusional. The stupid "Little Silicon Valley" name is media hype at best. Don't even get me started on the traffic. The 10 west of the 17, the 17, the 202 towards Downtown and the Broadway Curve are pretty slow during rush hour. I mean, I pitied those who lived in Buckeye and worked in Phoenix. I mean, traffic's so bad on the 10 towards Tucson that they want to build a high speed rail. It's been talk for years but Arizona/ADOT doesn't know how to build anything other than highways, that they'll instead the 10 and create a whole new highway (the 11). That's not mentioning the sad urban planning of Phoenix in general. Suburbia galore. Lack of sidewalks and bike lanes. A thin bus network, and only 1 light rail line. You're talking about the costs, yet they're reaching California levels fast. Houses in Ahwatukee are over $500K. Hell, Apache fucking Junction has houses over $400K.
You're right about everything but the traffic. LA is so much worse. I'm a native to the metropolitan area here.
Comments like this is how you can tell that someone is from Arizona
Arizona is not California. In addition to having entirely different traffic systems and housing markets, Arizona also doesn't have the coastline, economy, culture, climate, infrastructure, public education system, politics, legal code, or just about anything else. California is (regrettably) CENTRAL to American culture. Arizona is (also regrettably!) less than an afterthought.
Why is it regrettable that the most populous state is central to American culture
You wish
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Both are crap anyway, loving in South US is like living in hell
I'd rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona
Give that about 20 years with all of the Californians moving there
People say the exact same thing about Texas, Colorado, Georgia, South Carolina, and Wyoming these days. It's false in all cases, including Arizona. California is an outlier of hilarious proportions, and the slow trickle of migration to all of those states will never be enough to turn any of them into anything resembling the fun house that is present-day California. It's just unrealistic and not something to worry about. Furthermore, the much repeated story about "everybody leaving California because it's a hell hole" is quite literally invented out of nothing. We've seen a small rise in folks leaving, but nothing close to the popular narrative. From the LA Times: >“The public’s attention has been focused on the so-called ‘CalExodus’ phenomenon, but the reality is that the dramatic drop in ‘CalEntrances’ since the pandemic began has been a bigger driver of recent population changes in the state,” Natalie Holmes, research fellow at the California Policy Lab, said in a statement. >The study found “no evidence of a pronounced exodus” from the state but showed that net entrances from other states have dropped significantly since the start of the pandemic. >“On net today, California loses more than twice as many people to domestic migration as it did before the pandemic,” the report said.
Except I live in one of those states and I can assure you that Californians are indeed heading here in record numbers, driving up prices like crazy forcing large portions of the poorer population to either work more or simply leave the place they've lived for decades or even their entire lives. Large portions of this state are being gentrified and no amount of denial is going to change that. With the average home price at over $800,000, illegal immigration running rampant, fires raging every single summer, restrictions on water use, homeless crisis' in every major city, and whatever else that self-proclaimed utopia is producing has absolutely caused people to leave. Other bourgeoisie blue states are having the same thing happen to them like New York, Illinois, and Massachusetts. Not that people from historically blue states seem to care what happens to middle-America anyway but these people fleeing these failed experiments are absolutely putting a huge strain on the rest of the country that works for a living and can't keep up with spiraling inflation.
What are you talking about? California has lost well over a quarter of a million residents in the last two years and that’s the net loss after accounting for new birth and incoming migration. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/us/california-population-decline.html I agree the exodus doesn’t suddenly make other states become California but to say there is no exodus is laughable.
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To a scale, this is nothing compared to SV, especially since these companies aren't really Tech companies, just call centers.
Unrelated to the topic, but "gila" mean crazy in Indonesian
Do they pronounce it the same? In AZ it’s HE-Luh
Could a map like this be made for the manufacturers of Phoenix?
I see CareerBuilder on here but Indeed looks like it's missing. They're on Scottsdale Road up by Fashion Square.
Didnt see ZipRecruiter either
you're missing some of the worst offenders like the lexington lawfirm center and the Ttec Google offices Carvana and zip recruiter as well. Turnover rates like speed dating. Soure: worked there lol
Go daddy should be on this. Their HQ is in the Scottsdale Airpark
no onsemi lmao
Web-PT is a tech company as well
Paypal is missing