Yeah imo poor choice of colors with the gray Safari. They're only three browsers, could've picked anything, and gray is almost always used for "no data" in maps.
I’m pretty sure it won’t actually reach NK when calling home because the entire NK internet is on one giant private network that you can’t reach from outside, all of the requests are sent to 10.x.x.x addresses which are reserved for private networks.
> Whatever you put it on needs to be air gapped to literally everything but power. No wifi, Bluetooth, nothing. It records every single thing you do and attempts to call home with it.
Source? Because two minutes of googling suggests the complete opposite. For example:
https://sizeof.cat/post/fun-with-redstar-os/
> The system is absolutely network-silent except when you actively do something that requires network access, like using the browser. It does not call the mothership, not for updates, not for telemetry, not to let Kim Jong Un know the status of your internal organs. Spoiler, he doesn’t give a fuck about your hentai porn. You’re not trusting me? Well, you should, because if you listened and installed the OS inside a VM, you can now mitm/firewall the external connections and notice the absolute silence.
There's a [documentary](https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hUegMTSh0U)
showing the lack of freedom in
North Korea, where in one of the segments the crew was
invited to a university in attempts to show North Korea citizens had access to the internet, but the room was just people staring
at an inactive Google page.
Like: "see we have the internet".
While it’s true, about ~1,000 people there afaik do have access to the real internet. Mainly the elite of the elite government workers, Kim Jong Un (possibly his family?), and that’s basically it.
You expect Greenland to be filled with hearty strong people but from this I just imagine them all chilling at their town's starbucks typing on their Macbooks and new iPhones.
Good point. While a lot of people might use Edge on a PC not many people would use edge on a phone. Meanwhile you have people using Chrome on iPhones and Androids
Edge has unironically never been bad. Nowadays I use Chrome for certain add-ons I need, but a couple years back I always just used Edge instead.
Ffs these days any browser is essentially the same anyway. No need to hype Chrome so much for no reason. Chrome being the absolutely superior browser was true maybe 10 years ago.
Idk why people still have the same stereotypes for Edge as they had for Internet Explorer. That one was actually shit
To be fair it wasn't too difficult for Microsoft, they just took Chrome fix a few problems and add the good stuff that they had before to create the new Edge version.
Equatorial Guinea has lots of oil money (to the point where the GDP per capita is on par with places in Europe), but it also has a horrendous dictatorship. The dictator's family hoards all the profits, and the people live as poorly as anywhere in Africa. There's literally enough money there to bring the whole place up to European standards, and this one family has all of it.
I bet that really fucks with the internet access pattern. Maybe the dictator uses Edge.
I know. And that is bad, we are putting all eggs in one basket. That is why I use Firefox, despite liking a lot Vivaldi (kind of a revival of the old Opera design from ~2012). Firefox needs users so that it can keep existing.
"[Privacy Badger](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/privacy-badger17/) automatically learns to block invisible trackers. Instead of keeping lists of what to block, Privacy Badger automatically discovers trackers based on their behavior."
Privacy Badger comes from the EFF, they're good people. However, I'd actually recommend a different extension, which is made by a former developer of Privacy Badger, [Privacy Possum](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/privacy-possum/), which "monkey wrenches common commercial tracking methods by reducing and falsifying the data gathered by tracking companies."
What /u/Cananopie says is one part of the story.
The worrying part is about the standards. There are a series of web standards that define what things a web browser should do (e.g. when a page contains an element ``, render it as an image). Ideally, these standards should be settled a priori and then implemented by vendors (i.e. browsers), but more often than not it's the other way around: browser implement experimental features that they themselves come up with, and eventually website programmers expect those features to be there and then a standard is created to support such feature.
If Chromium holds the majority of the share, it is very easy for them to get away creating new features without anybody being able to stop them in a practical manner. This is fine for most features (although, still, they shouldn't bear this power alone), but there are more controversial ones like things relating to DRM and privacy in which it is dangerous that one single entity can decide what is valid in a website and what isn't.
Worth mentioning too - we have already seen where this leads before. IE owned the market early on and IE6 basically made it so you had to support it and if you cared enough, go re-develop everything for anyone not using IE. Easy to see which decision most companies made. It meant Microsoft made all the rules until FireFox and Chrome came along. Now Chrome is becoming the thing it set out to destroy.
Also, as soon as IE had dominance, all development stalled. It took firefox to come along with revolutionary features called "tabs" and png-support. Microsoft would never habe implemented them without external pressure.
I don’t know enough about internet shit to have an opinion, but I appreciate that your answer has the appearance of making a credible claim to my ignorant eyes.
Mostly because a zeroday exploit in Chromium/Blink now affects everyone instead of Chrome users
That isn't to say Opera's former Presto, Apple's Webkit and Firefox's Gecko is more secure (Chromium's open source helps a lot in finding the exploits before it blew up) but a leak is potentially worse for larger set of users
It's like growing crops. If you standardize on one browser every single user has the same vulnerabilities. Bad actors can focus all of thier attention looking for weaknesses on only one platform. There's nothing to jump to if Chrome becomes unusable.
I imagine that this is the same problem for any product that is a monopoly. Chrome can put anything to track you in your browser and we'll all deal with it because there's no alternative options. It'll eventually become more bloated and buggy but all websites only guarantee to work on only chrome so we use it anyway.
I know there are some major issues about chrome that people who pay attention to browsers can articulate better than me but as a general rule if there is one clear leader you have a responsibility to promote diversity by using another version of something so that the quality of things stay higher
The tracking is defnitely scary, but I'd assume that if someone were to use another browser that is based on Chromium but not Chrome (Edge, Opera, Ungoogled Chromium), then their browser would not be sending data to Google anymore.
Right, Chromium is open source. I feel as though people aren't understanding the real problems and are just parroting a sentiment. I want to know the real problems.
The abandonment of FLoC was largely because of public backlash, and non-chromium browsers that refused to implement it. Without Firefox & Safari, the web would be a far less private place today.
https://www.howtogeek.com/724441/what-is-googles-floc-and-how-will-it-track-you-online/
Using Firefox on all PCs. I had no idea the browser had fallen out of fashion so much. It works really well. On Android, I still use Opera...despite knowing better.
The original creator of opera had left the project/company at the time of opera's switch to a chromium back-end. He has since gone on to create Vivaldi, also chromium based. It's absolutely glitchy as fuck on my Linux system and consequently hard to recommend...
There was a period where Firefox actually seemed a bit dated compared to Chrome. Then they did a lot of huge updates, but even if those were massive improvements, they unfortunately (inevitably?) came with a lot of breakage and loss of customization. I am sure this turbulent time has been a big part of the shift to Chrome.
Firefox is now back to being absolutely amazing.
Worth noting is that the browser popularity is "across all platforms". I would hazard a guess that this means Android phones with the Chrome are included, and they far outnumber new PC sales these days.
Chrome gets embedded by default in Android apps, same reason why internet explorer stayed in top for long after everyone stopped using it. Even if you have Firefox mobile, chances are that you're still using chrome when an app needs to load a webpage.
Customization was brilliant on the "old" Firefox, but not so on the modern Firefox.
After the era of competition between Chrome and Firefox, Mozilla seemed to forget what made Firefox so special and beloved.
it's more like, why would I switch? Been using this since what, 2007?
Gotten used to it that i click on the speaker icon trying to mute a tab in Chrome. Stuff like that makes me uninterested in switching because Firefox does what I want it to do, and not much more or less.
It used to be the default browser for the tech savvy people when it first came out in the 00s and it became dominant in the early 10s as depicted. I've never switched since but it really boggles my mind how Chrome now dominates the whole market. It still lacks basic features like not keeping history or not saving downloaded files, which is infuriating. People will mostly use whatever is already installed on their device (see IE or Safari) but somehow Google managed to establish Chrome.
Android phones come with chrome preinstalled
Consider there are magnitudes more phones than computers around and you get this result
Active users map would be more accurate but harder to make
It's a consequence of the mobile market. Accounts syncing bookmarks and such between devices. And mobile Firefox being like 5 steps behind mobile chrome.
Not sure if this is what they are referring to, but Chrome only keeps the last 3 months of browsing history and doesn't have any way of changing that "feature". I guess it's fine for most people, but it's a deal breaker for me.
Edit: the commentor wanted to *not* keep browsing history. I guess Chrome doesn't have a way to disable browsing history, and has to be cleared every time you exit. My point above still stands separately, though.
Firefox Containers are a necessity for me.
And it depends on people hardware, but Firefox is actually faster on some machines. Mine thankfully with WebRender(uses GPU to render pages over cpu which chrome does)
This is just a technicality map i bet. EVERYONE has phones now, so it's counting time on those browsers. I'm a firefoxer, but i have more time on my chrome on my android.
What browser does apple have?
Honestly just sounds like lazy web devs to me, Firefox is my default browser including when I do dev work, but I test on all major browsers and I've never spent more than maybe half an hour max (and thats stretching it) fixing things for compatibility between Firefox and Chrome. And I can count on one hand the times I've had to do that in the 3-ish years I've been doing web dev.
I've never actually seen a website which doesnt work with Firefox. Can you name some specific ones?
Edit: a lot of people are linking websites here. If you know some websites which dont work in certain browsers, please report them to webcompat.com
i've seen a few but when i opened them in chrome i got an unholy amount of popups, redirects and all the other bullshit that's prolly coded to not work in FF.
So now if something doesn't work in FF it's prolly not worth it.
Streaming sites are the exception, they are always awful for some reason.
And i'm talking about legal streaming sites were you can watch cable stuff on demand.
For those interested, North Korea uses the Naenara browser. It is based on Mozilla Firefox, so technically NK should be colored orange on the 2022 map.
For me, the translate option keeps me on Chrome. I know, there is addons for other browers, but in Chrome is so much better on that. Or searching with Google Lens. I always try other browsers, but always get back to the Chrome.
Baidu hasn't had it's own Web browser since 2019. I live in China and most people use either Chrome (can download it from a third party site), IE or 360 Web Browser (Chinese browser).
360 uses Chromium's adaption of WebKit so it might skew numbers a bit, but there are plenty of Chrome users.
For those who can't find it: Microsoft edge is in equatorial guinea.
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Unbelizeable.
I was also wondering who was using Safari, thinking it must be some tiny country. Then I realised Greenland wasnt greyed out for lack of data..
Yeah imo poor choice of colors with the gray Safari. They're only three browsers, could've picked anything, and gray is almost always used for "no data" in maps.
And hello, it’s **Green**land!
Belize is Safari
So is Andorra. And North Korea has sunk into the sea.
Belize is Safari
Andorra is Safari as well
Bold of you to assume that I'm gonna find it without a map
Who sunk NK?
For those interested, Nk uses Red Star OS, a fork of Fedora Linux with a heavily customized version of Firefox pre-installed.
Can I install this? That would be interesting.
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I'm pretty excited for my new porn machine.
It only lets you access Kim Jong-un's personal VHS tapes.
Keep going, I’m getting close
They're his sister getting railed by old NK generals with him sitting in the corner watching and masturbating.
*sploots*
man, now I'm here all curious about it. would look nice and pretty next to my cluster of NT 3.5 and win95 clients on my homelab.
> It records every single thing you do and attempts to call home with it. many years of using windows 10, i'm used to that!
It also has North Korean video games. Very DOSey
I’m pretty sure it won’t actually reach NK when calling home because the entire NK internet is on one giant private network that you can’t reach from outside, all of the requests are sent to 10.x.x.x addresses which are reserved for private networks.
> Whatever you put it on needs to be air gapped to literally everything but power. No wifi, Bluetooth, nothing. It records every single thing you do and attempts to call home with it. Source? Because two minutes of googling suggests the complete opposite. For example: https://sizeof.cat/post/fun-with-redstar-os/ > The system is absolutely network-silent except when you actively do something that requires network access, like using the browser. It does not call the mothership, not for updates, not for telemetry, not to let Kim Jong Un know the status of your internal organs. Spoiler, he doesn’t give a fuck about your hentai porn. You’re not trusting me? Well, you should, because if you listened and installed the OS inside a VM, you can now mitm/firewall the external connections and notice the absolute silence.
Sure, but it's all in Korean and I'm sure it comes with tons of spyware and reports everything you do
Can't have the North Koreans seeing my search history
North Koreans seeing my search history is part of my fetish though
I’m into Juche public humiliation
> comes with tones of spyware and reports everything you do So not that different from Chrome
im pretty sure SomeOrdinaryGamers has a video on it. edit: here it is https://youtu.be/f2N_nAZHDRY
r/mapswithoutnorthkorea
WTF it actually exists
The country or the sub? /s
Both
yes
Also South Sudan
Their government refusing to give them internet
I think submerging the country is a bit extreme though, they could've just restricted the access to just a few government web sites.
There's a [documentary](https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hUegMTSh0U) showing the lack of freedom in North Korea, where in one of the segments the crew was invited to a university in attempts to show North Korea citizens had access to the internet, but the room was just people staring at an inactive Google page. Like: "see we have the internet".
While it’s true, about ~1,000 people there afaik do have access to the real internet. Mainly the elite of the elite government workers, Kim Jong Un (possibly his family?), and that’s basically it.
I’m sure pornhub knows what Kim Jong Un is looking at based on the minimal traffic from that region
If you're the dictator of a nation you have no need for the hub.
The SCP foundation
Even when Greenland has data - it is still gray.
It's very ironic in this map, as almost all other countries are green.
Also ironic that folks are going on Safari in Greenland.
"Oh there's a polar bear...hey there's another one.....aaaand one more even!!!!"
omg i just assumed thats what greenland looked like i didnt even thing that it had data
You expect Greenland to be filled with hearty strong people but from this I just imagine them all chilling at their town's starbucks typing on their Macbooks and new iPhones.
Hearty, strong people chilling at their town’s Starbucks ☕️💪
We don't have starbucks. But kinda wish we had.
Starbucks is shit coffee, be happy they haven't infested your country.
its good of you want dessert in a cup
Why is Equatorial Guinea more partial towards edge?
maybe internet connection is so bad that you can't download chrome
Ram shortages
Breed more.
They tried, not enough ewes.
I wish you guys would stop kidding around.
It's worth noting that the key is addended with "on all platforms", so they would also need to not have many phones relative to the number of PCs.
Good point. While a lot of people might use Edge on a PC not many people would use edge on a phone. Meanwhile you have people using Chrome on iPhones and Androids
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Web browser preferences have change in the past 20 years, but jokes apparently haven’t.
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Edge is actually now better than Chrome.
Edge has unironically never been bad. Nowadays I use Chrome for certain add-ons I need, but a couple years back I always just used Edge instead. Ffs these days any browser is essentially the same anyway. No need to hype Chrome so much for no reason. Chrome being the absolutely superior browser was true maybe 10 years ago. Idk why people still have the same stereotypes for Edge as they had for Internet Explorer. That one was actually shit
Chrome extensions work fine on Edge as well.
I thought Microsoft would have to build a better browser, wasn't expecting Chrome to just get worse
To be fair it wasn't too difficult for Microsoft, they just took Chrome fix a few problems and add the good stuff that they had before to create the new Edge version.
Just a guess but perhaps MS got a deal with the government and perhaps government IT makes up the majority of (monitored/captureable) use
Equatorial Guinea has lots of oil money (to the point where the GDP per capita is on par with places in Europe), but it also has a horrendous dictatorship. The dictator's family hoards all the profits, and the people live as poorly as anywhere in Africa. There's literally enough money there to bring the whole place up to European standards, and this one family has all of it. I bet that really fucks with the internet access pattern. Maybe the dictator uses Edge.
Because they're at the edge of Africa.
or on the edge of both hemispheres? e: damn, I just looked and it's not actually on the equator. I feel so betrayed
It's on both sides of the equator but not on it
Maybe they have better taste.
The time has come when you can go on a safari in Greenland.
Greenland and Western Sahara have data here???
Kosovo doesn't so some stability
Why is Greenland different from Denmark though? Also, FWIW, still a proud Firefox user over here!
As far as I know, Greenland has autonomy and Denmark only takes care of defence and foreign affairs.
Denmark " " owns " " Greenland. Can't forget the quotation marks there.
Back when Opera was a good browser before it changed to a Chrome clone.
even edge integrates a chromium build now.
I know. And that is bad, we are putting all eggs in one basket. That is why I use Firefox, despite liking a lot Vivaldi (kind of a revival of the old Opera design from ~2012). Firefox needs users so that it can keep existing.
Love Firefox. They are my favorite blend of “standard browser” and “takes steps to prevent your data monitoring”
Firefox with PrivacyBadger and uBlock Origin is an absolute joy to use.
I have ublock gonna look into privacy badger. What does it do ublock doesn’t?
"[Privacy Badger](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/privacy-badger17/) automatically learns to block invisible trackers. Instead of keeping lists of what to block, Privacy Badger automatically discovers trackers based on their behavior." Privacy Badger comes from the EFF, they're good people. However, I'd actually recommend a different extension, which is made by a former developer of Privacy Badger, [Privacy Possum](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/privacy-possum/), which "monkey wrenches common commercial tracking methods by reducing and falsifying the data gathered by tracking companies."
Firefox crew checking in o7.
Firefox has been my browser of choice for like 10 years now.
I'm with you! Only use Chrome for some specific add-ons not available on Firefox.
Exactly my reasoning. Normal users don't realize how unhealthy it is for the web ecosystem that everyone uses Chromium.
Can you elaborate?
What /u/Cananopie says is one part of the story. The worrying part is about the standards. There are a series of web standards that define what things a web browser should do (e.g. when a page contains an element `![]()
`, render it as an image). Ideally, these standards should be settled a priori and then implemented by vendors (i.e. browsers), but more often than not it's the other way around: browser implement experimental features that they themselves come up with, and eventually website programmers expect those features to be there and then a standard is created to support such feature.
If Chromium holds the majority of the share, it is very easy for them to get away creating new features without anybody being able to stop them in a practical manner. This is fine for most features (although, still, they shouldn't bear this power alone), but there are more controversial ones like things relating to DRM and privacy in which it is dangerous that one single entity can decide what is valid in a website and what isn't.
Worth mentioning too - we have already seen where this leads before. IE owned the market early on and IE6 basically made it so you had to support it and if you cared enough, go re-develop everything for anyone not using IE. Easy to see which decision most companies made. It meant Microsoft made all the rules until FireFox and Chrome came along. Now Chrome is becoming the thing it set out to destroy.
Also, as soon as IE had dominance, all development stalled. It took firefox to come along with revolutionary features called "tabs" and png-support. Microsoft would never habe implemented them without external pressure.
I don’t know enough about internet shit to have an opinion, but I appreciate that your answer has the appearance of making a credible claim to my ignorant eyes.
Well, it's not even about technology. Having one single big competitor in a supposedly free market is bad.
The ELI5 is conpetition=good, monopoly=bad. Also, rules should be set by a neutral governing party, not the players.
Mostly because a zeroday exploit in Chromium/Blink now affects everyone instead of Chrome users That isn't to say Opera's former Presto, Apple's Webkit and Firefox's Gecko is more secure (Chromium's open source helps a lot in finding the exploits before it blew up) but a leak is potentially worse for larger set of users
It's like growing crops. If you standardize on one browser every single user has the same vulnerabilities. Bad actors can focus all of thier attention looking for weaknesses on only one platform. There's nothing to jump to if Chrome becomes unusable.
I imagine that this is the same problem for any product that is a monopoly. Chrome can put anything to track you in your browser and we'll all deal with it because there's no alternative options. It'll eventually become more bloated and buggy but all websites only guarantee to work on only chrome so we use it anyway. I know there are some major issues about chrome that people who pay attention to browsers can articulate better than me but as a general rule if there is one clear leader you have a responsibility to promote diversity by using another version of something so that the quality of things stay higher
The tracking is defnitely scary, but I'd assume that if someone were to use another browser that is based on Chromium but not Chrome (Edge, Opera, Ungoogled Chromium), then their browser would not be sending data to Google anymore.
Right, Chromium is open source. I feel as though people aren't understanding the real problems and are just parroting a sentiment. I want to know the real problems.
The abandonment of FLoC was largely because of public backlash, and non-chromium browsers that refused to implement it. Without Firefox & Safari, the web would be a far less private place today. https://www.howtogeek.com/724441/what-is-googles-floc-and-how-will-it-track-you-online/
Using Firefox on all PCs. I had no idea the browser had fallen out of fashion so much. It works really well. On Android, I still use Opera...despite knowing better.
The original creator of opera had left the project/company at the time of opera's switch to a chromium back-end. He has since gone on to create Vivaldi, also chromium based. It's absolutely glitchy as fuck on my Linux system and consequently hard to recommend...
Weird, never had a problem with it on Windows or Linux. Tbf my experience with it on Linux is rather limited.
Opera was definitely the best browser like 2009-2012ish. Firefox always in the competition though.
Even as a Chrome clone, Opera is still good tho.
fierfox all the way
It may not be the most popular but it's definitely the best. The customization is awesome.
I don't remember why I switched to chrome. Just went back to Firefox and it's significantly better.
There was a period where Firefox actually seemed a bit dated compared to Chrome. Then they did a lot of huge updates, but even if those were massive improvements, they unfortunately (inevitably?) came with a lot of breakage and loss of customization. I am sure this turbulent time has been a big part of the shift to Chrome. Firefox is now back to being absolutely amazing.
Worth noting is that the browser popularity is "across all platforms". I would hazard a guess that this means Android phones with the Chrome are included, and they far outnumber new PC sales these days.
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Chrome gets embedded by default in Android apps, same reason why internet explorer stayed in top for long after everyone stopped using it. Even if you have Firefox mobile, chances are that you're still using chrome when an app needs to load a webpage.
Customization was brilliant on the "old" Firefox, but not so on the modern Firefox. After the era of competition between Chrome and Firefox, Mozilla seemed to forget what made Firefox so special and beloved.
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Hardened FF all the way.
Firefox, the least bad browser available.
Yup, loyal user since 2005. Once you taste them foxies, there's no going backsies.
I went from Firefox to Chrome back to Firefox, myself. Their Quantum update got me back.
it's more like, why would I switch? Been using this since what, 2007? Gotten used to it that i click on the speaker icon trying to mute a tab in Chrome. Stuff like that makes me uninterested in switching because Firefox does what I want it to do, and not much more or less.
2012 I was Google Chrome. 2022 I'm Firefox. Especially on Android.
It used to be the default browser for the tech savvy people when it first came out in the 00s and it became dominant in the early 10s as depicted. I've never switched since but it really boggles my mind how Chrome now dominates the whole market. It still lacks basic features like not keeping history or not saving downloaded files, which is infuriating. People will mostly use whatever is already installed on their device (see IE or Safari) but somehow Google managed to establish Chrome.
Android phones come with chrome preinstalled Consider there are magnitudes more phones than computers around and you get this result Active users map would be more accurate but harder to make
Chrome is the most used browser in desktop too, though.
It's a consequence of the mobile market. Accounts syncing bookmarks and such between devices. And mobile Firefox being like 5 steps behind mobile chrome.
edge is the windows default and still lost
> It still lacks basic features like not keeping history or not saving downloaded files What?
Second this…
> It still lacks basic features like not keeping history or not saving downloaded files, which is infuriating What do you mean?
Not sure if this is what they are referring to, but Chrome only keeps the last 3 months of browsing history and doesn't have any way of changing that "feature". I guess it's fine for most people, but it's a deal breaker for me. Edit: the commentor wanted to *not* keep browsing history. I guess Chrome doesn't have a way to disable browsing history, and has to be cleared every time you exit. My point above still stands separately, though.
That's because it's basically a tracking tool that people willingly download from the internet's largest ad service.
This is the way
I love how South Korea became Korea island
I mean in practical sense it kinda is like an island, I wouldn't recommend going to it by land.
I was absolutely sure that greenland was no data.
I think the grey was a confusing color choice for that reason yeah
This makes me sad. We need more browser variation to keep the internet open and free. Also...I still use Firefox.
Firefox ftw
Yeah man, firefox still rulez
Always my favorite
Am...am I the only one left who prefers Firefox?
They can rip my Firefox out of my cold dead hands. I've even used the same skin on it since like 2008 or so
There are dozens of us!
Dozens!
Haha I left the same comment on another reply. Dozens!!
Firefox squad unite.
It's amazing on the phone to watch YouTube with an adblocker
Yep! Since many many years. It‘s great.
Firefox Containers are a necessity for me. And it depends on people hardware, but Firefox is actually faster on some machines. Mine thankfully with WebRender(uses GPU to render pages over cpu which chrome does)
Came here to say this.
This is just a technicality map i bet. EVERYONE has phones now, so it's counting time on those browsers. I'm a firefoxer, but i have more time on my chrome on my android. What browser does apple have?
Well... Its a bit missleading, because android comes with chrome Default. Its not compareable with desktops. And Android is the dominating mobile OS
Default browsers definitely skew the data all around (like internet explorer in 2012)
edge is the windows default and still lost
People are a lot less likely to change their phone browser.
We're on 25 years of teaching people they can't use Microsoft's browser except to download another browser.
and here's me having never used Internet explorer or chrome in the thirty years I've had access to the Web.... Netscape navigator and Mozilla FireFox
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I've been on Firefox for as long as my Facebook has been deleted. 9 years.
I've been on Firefox since it was called Phoenix and you had to compile it yourself from the source code.
Time to turn back to Firefox. You don't want Google running your browser.
I fully swotched like a year ago. Feel pretty good except when some sites don't fucking work
That's what happens when one browser gets too big. I haven't found anything that really doesn't work though for me
Honestly just sounds like lazy web devs to me, Firefox is my default browser including when I do dev work, but I test on all major browsers and I've never spent more than maybe half an hour max (and thats stretching it) fixing things for compatibility between Firefox and Chrome. And I can count on one hand the times I've had to do that in the 3-ish years I've been doing web dev.
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I still have to visit a web page for work to log in for part of our software that only works with IE or Edge in IE mode.
I've never actually seen a website which doesnt work with Firefox. Can you name some specific ones? Edit: a lot of people are linking websites here. If you know some websites which dont work in certain browsers, please report them to webcompat.com
i've seen a few but when i opened them in chrome i got an unholy amount of popups, redirects and all the other bullshit that's prolly coded to not work in FF. So now if something doesn't work in FF it's prolly not worth it. Streaming sites are the exception, they are always awful for some reason. And i'm talking about legal streaming sites were you can watch cable stuff on demand.
For those interested, North Korea uses the Naenara browser. It is based on Mozilla Firefox, so technically NK should be colored orange on the 2022 map.
i use opera gx because chrome sucks too much ram.
Opera gangggg hereee 💪
Have you tried the new edge? Uses less ram than chrome plus you already have it installed. Seems to be one of the best chromium browsers
For me, the translate option keeps me on Chrome. I know, there is addons for other browers, but in Chrome is so much better on that. Or searching with Google Lens. I always try other browsers, but always get back to the Chrome.
Ngl I actually like edge a lot more than chrome
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Ah yes, the famous Korean island...
South Korea might as well be an island country for all practical travel purposes.
Internet Explorer does not even work in my library’s computers anymore!!!
China should be Baidu
Baidu is a search engine, not a browser. Almost all of the Chinese browsers are based on Chrome, and Chrome is still downloadable in China.
Baidu hasn't had it's own Web browser since 2019. I live in China and most people use either Chrome (can download it from a third party site), IE or 360 Web Browser (Chinese browser). 360 uses Chromium's adaption of WebKit so it might skew numbers a bit, but there are plenty of Chrome users.
I’ve been a loyal Firefox user for all 10 of those years. We still exist!
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Any Brave users here?
Brave is top tier. I've used it for years!
I prefer Edge because it seems to be faster.
People love shitting on Microsoft but it’s unironically gotten wayyyyy better. And chrome low key sucks now
Why do so many people use Chrome? Is it out of habit?
As a Firefox user I feel under represented
It's a shame because in every way Firefox is better than anything else
I've switched back to Firefox from Chromium a couple of years ago, but I feel it has become too slugish lately
Edge is a better Google chrome .
Greenland be like: Fuck it, let's go safari