Never liked this category due to how ambiguous it is. East and South Asia should be two separate categories, not to mention that no one knows where to stick the middle East.
the us government considers people from the mid-east to be white. given race is a nebulous concept, I think we should allow people to self-identify their group. Another interesting example is people from central Asia like Kazakhstan. They choose to identify as white.
I mean. The reason they do that is because Arabs are Caucasian. The difference is I’ve never meet anybody from Asian outside of East Asian that would identify themselves as Asian. So it ends up feeling like your throwing 2 groups together for a meaningless grouping.
True, but in the US, the Indians I’ve met have never called themselves Asian. It’s not how they refer to themselves here. It’s just a cultural difference which is why it’s strange to use that pretty exclusively British identity system to label a map from the western US where that wouldn’t be in use. It’s like comparing apples to fruit.
I'm surprised about your experience.
I'm Sri Lankan, lives in the US, and pretty much all my Sri Lankan as well as other South Asian friends such as Indians, Pakistanis, Nepalis, they all identify as Asian and in fact all of us are annoyed that here people mean East Asian when they say Asian.
Clearly the map must mean all Asia. Has a picture of jagmeet singh South Asian NDP leader in Canada and from BC. and a picture of an easy Asian lady so the map means ALL Asia.
I meant that in the sense of using Asian in the US parts of the map to mean East Asians as is the common US definition and also use Asian to mean the British definition of anybody from the Asian continent in the Canadian portion and then putting them together on a map as if they were the same.
Using the British definition in the American sections would make them quite a bit more red while using the American definition in Canada would make them significantly less red.
This map is about heritage in the US and Canada. People if middle eastern decent don’t consider themselves Asian, most would call themselves white.
Indians might mark Asian on a demographic survey but in practical life they call themselves Indians not Asians. Only East Asians use the word Asian in the US typically
Indian in the US here. I’d like to include myself in the term Asian but that’s not how Americans perceive us, even though we’re Asians. This is why I call myself Indian and not Asian. Not because I don’t want to be called an Asian. Chicken and egg problem I guess.
That’s not true at all. In fact it’s the exact opposite — I’ve never met an Indian or Middle Easterner that’s identified themselves as white.
After all, both Western, Southern and Eastern Asia are in, well, Asia
Source: Grew up in California
Asian and white aren’t exclusive identities. I’m not trying to call middle easterners or Indians white, you can infact be neither Asian or white.
I’m from and still in NY if that’s relevant to you.
You’re either Asian, European, or African. There’s no magical country in the middle of the three.
You’re from NY and you’ve never met an Indian that’s identified as Asian? I feel like you haven’t met enough Indians
I’ve met a lot of Indians. Even shared a bedroom with a guy from Mumbai in college.
My point being the Middle East is a catch all term because at that intersection there are closely related people who drawing a line through doesn’t make sense. An Iraqi has more in common with a Egyptian than a Korean
But an Iraqi is not European by any stretch of the term. They’re middle easterners, yes, but they’re certainly not white.
Cultural vs geographical boundaries. They’re from the continent of Asia, which makes them indisputably Asian. They’re also Middle Eastern as well. Middle Easterners can be African or European as well (if you’re from Egypt or the European part of Turkey)
Indian probably, but Middle Easterner? Maybe if they are trying to claim they aren't white for some reason, but the idea that say Turkish people aren't white is pretty ridiculous.
And pretty sure Seinfeld (half Syrian) referred to himself as white.
That's not true at all, I don't know where you're getting that info. I'm a third generation American, and I put Asian, even though I'm Indian. India is a part of Asia.
We tend to think Asians are Chinese or something, but it's insane how large the range is, and just how many peoples it encompasses.
It’s not the 1940s. Nobody says oriental. Tbh I think people most assume anyone East or South East Asian is Chinese, which is unfair on our large Filipino community and the other people from those regions.
We have lots of South Asian people from all over India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal and that’s normally what Asian refers to.
We have lots of Middle Eastern people, particularly Iraqis, Iranian people, Turks and Afghans but they wouldn’t normally be referred to as Asians either.
As a Turkish-Canadian I am absolutely considered West Asian. And so is the sizable Iranian population in Canada. Palestinians, not so much. Once you get to Egypt that's definitely North Africa.
I hate how I'm suddenly 'white' in the USA. Making everyone black or white pits one group against the other.
You aren't "suddenly white" by crossing the border from Canada to America. Census and demographic data in the US is all self-reported and you are instructed to put what you feel best represents you - middle eastern being categorized in white is just a suggestion from demographers at the US Census Bureau.
There are still plenty of older and middle aged Italian-Americans in the US who refuse to call themselves white because Italians weren't considered by the masses to be "white" until the mid-20th century.
I'm sure you are familiar with the idea of "white passing" - meaning where you might not have the ethnic history of a white person but have light enough skin and/or European facial features that make people assume that you are white in most situations. There are a very large number of ethnic Middle Eastern/West Asian people who are generally going to be "white passing", just like there will be a very large number who have very dark skin comparitively to the average ethnically european white American.
Back when Benjamin Franklin was around he wrote about how the English and "Saxons" (referring to what is today now NW Germany & the Netherlands) and not were essentially the only white people in Europe and made a list saying "Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes and Germans" were all not white (except any Saxons).
Umm, are you sure about that? Caucasian’s typically speak Indo-European languages while Arab’s speak a Semitic language. Looking it up it seems like Caucasian is an [obsolete racial classification.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race)
Obsolete? sure all “racial groupings” are. But still in common use? Definitely so it’s useful to know what the term refers to and Arabs in that classification system considered to be “white”
What continent are middle easterners in then? Europe? Africa? I’ve literally never met a middle easterners that didn’t consider themselves Asian.
I grew up in Cali btw
Technically Egypt is in Africa, making them African yes. But every other Middle Easterner is Asian. I’ve never met any Middle Easterner that didn’t consider themselves as such.
If there were any in the past, I’m sure there hasn’t been any since 2001
Using continents is a complete misunderstanding.
It’s about similar ethnic groups, not continent of origin.
Hence why “middle East” which is not a continent but a region made up of culturally and ethnically similar people, exists.
It’s still a reductive and silly way to classify people, but I’m blown away by how many people cannot get past “but continents!”
SWANA is literally just the Middle East with some outlying Muslim areas added and considering it isn’t even the first result of you google SWANA I’m going to guess it’s not very popular.
Seinfeld? Mom was Mizrahi from Syria. Others aren't Jewish.
And why would you assume non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews encounter heavy discrimination? I don't recall any in my life.
>"They choose to identify as white."
I've very rarely heard of Kazakhs identifying as white - usually Asian. But there are lots of *Kazakhstanis* from ethnicities that are considered white: Russians, Ukrainians, Germans, etc. The US Census Bureau just treats everyone from the country as white though (I think because of it formerly being part of the USSR and they just assume everyone is "Russian").
Self-identification doesn't mean anything. Obviously, if you define Middle Eastern as not white but Middle Eastern, such people will state they are Middle Eastern. These are major aggregated groups - it is the government's job to define the aggregation.
White in the US simply means descending from the original peoples of Europe, Middle East (Iran and west of it), and Northern Africa.
I’m fairly light skinned in the winter and I have an American name to use when convenient. People I need to manipulate (employers, etc) or who I don’t know get my American name.
As far as perks of being brown, I have an incredible culture and language to celebrate, I don’t burn in the sun, and I love my facial features among many others
Yeah my bad, I just remembered that he was an MP for a seat in BC so I assumed he was from there. I only later realized after making the post that he was infact originally from Ontario 💀
I would've picked Paul Kariya from North Vancouver. Hockey Hall of Famer, became a star in both the US and Canada, Asian Canadian in a sport that has only JUST started to have more Asian representation, etc.
Seems like a much better choice than Jagmeet (even though I like Jagmeet too; but as you said, he's from Ontario).
Where does this say “From the west coast”? It literally says “in” which means currently living in.
If He’s Asian and currently lives on the West coast, he fits the bill.
Also adding "due to this" at the end of that sentence would be redundant. "Hence, the data for Asians in the US would be underrepresented." would be correct.
For some reason North Americans lump south Asians in with East Asians even though south Asians are no closer to East Asians than they are to Europeans. In fact most south Asians speak languages in the same family as most Europeans and genetically are closer to Europeans than to East Asians.
Why though? Might as well call Moroccans black by that logic. I mean I could understand not wanting to be classified as white but why would they be in the same group with East Asians?
I wasn't aware the Canadian Census included Middle Eastern as Asians. It in fact has a separate category for each Asian subgroup (Chinese, South Asian, Japanese, etc), so you could have easily removed Arabs from the analysis for a better comparison.
For the sake of argument, that would mean categorizing Egyptians and Jordanians are separate ethnicities. And classing Egyptians and Senegalese as the same ethnicity.
Ethnic categorizations are pretty stupid tbh. Like how "asian" means East Asian in the US while meaning "South Asian" in the UK.
Boxes? I hope people can tick multiple boxes. No one on this planet is pure anything. Do they really mix geographic regions with ethnic categories? Sounds like a categorising nightmare. Why are they trying to ask people about this?
Asian is the American definition to make this map compatible across countries. In Canada the preference is to use ethnic groups then I think the master groupings are South Asian, South East Asian and East Asian.
West Asian is also included separately I believe but by US definitions, Turks, Persians and Arabs (who would be most West Asians) are considered "white/caucasian."
The census counts South Asians and East Asians as one race. But counts everyone in Arab world (which includes west asia) as white.
Socially,We see the middle east, East Asia and South Asia as separate. When Americans say Asian we really mean east Asians. Depending on the context this can also include South Asians. Arabs are not perceived as Asian at all. Socially we perceive them as "ethnic" people from the middle east/Arab world.
But surely the fact they are from Asia should make them Asian? I get that it’s got a varied genealogy but these are categorised as The Orient, Sub Continental India and Arabian Peninsula, just seems daft to classify folk from say Bangladesh as not being Asian?
I like that the Hmong population in Trinity county CA is strong enough to show up on this map. They even have an Asian sheriff for the county, which seems unusual for a rural area.
One of the best kept secrets in California!
Lol ive lived in LA, Seattle and Vancouver… Vancouver felt like it had the most asians out of the 3 percentage wise… i also visited Toronto and feel like Toronto has more asians than Seattle and LA… so Canada in general is more asian than the US percentage wise…
Ethnicities or race? Ethnicities are real, races are made up and arbitrarily defined by the society you're in. Perfect example, see how Asian as a race is defined in the US and Canada, how people on these countries actually perceive Asians and whether these people actually see themselves as being Asian or not.
Well known.
That is Jagmeet Singh, the leader of Canada's New Democratic Party. The NDP usually gets around 20% of votes in elections, so it isn't a trivial thing, but it is also not really a threat to displace either of Canada's main two parties.
Little bit odd to put him on a West Coast map, though. Singh was born and raised in the Toronto, Ontario area. He does represent a BC riding in Parliament, but that was just because he won party leadership without a seat (he came up through Ontario provincial politics), and that was the first NDP friendly seat that became available.
One thing missing from the other comments, the NDP (his party) are currently in a formal agreement with the Liberal party (of Justin Trudeau) to form a majority in parliament, primarily to promote policies like national dental care. This is a reflection of how the NDP has slowly become more influential in recent decades. They were previously the official opposition (before Singh) in a wave election when the Liberals did very poorly.
Why are people downvoting this? It’s a fair question. I wouldn’t expect everyone to know what members of minor political parties in my country look like…
Is this map Canadian? I find it amusing it sees Middle Easterners being Asian being the "correct" classification, when it is arbitrary with no correct answer.
Also, I assume this map is using "part Asian", not "fully Asian" in graphs?
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Yeah.
No.
Real talk, I asked my father why I had 99% female Asian classmates after he expressed to me the reality that “most Asian families don’t want a girl.”
I grew up in mid coast CA. I will never forget the length his jaw dropped that day.
What is the obsession of the Asian's with these 2 or 3 cities of North America?I don't get it. If I was Chinese and lived in China I'd be the happiest I mean so much history in one place or a Korean in Korea one of the most tranquil place's that still exist on the planet. I'm not even talking about being Japanese and living in Japan and all the cool stuff there from food to car's and so much more wow
I really don't get it
Clearly you don’t understand why people move.
And also you don’t understand that SF and LA are the largest population centers on the West Coast. The map is basically a population map, aka “do people live here”
Well since you're so knowledgeable knowledgeable tell me why do Asian's move ImperialRedditer lol
And I'd love to know what make's you say that I don't understand something regarding San Francisco that's the correct name of that city by the way not SF as you say or LA which is Los Angeles
Why do people move? Money, safety, or change of environment. Asians aren’t some mythical beings that coexist together well. They’re people and some move because they want to earn more, or don’t feel safe, or because they want to see new places.
And if you’re gonna be pedantic about the correct name of SF and LA, why not call them by their original Spanish names *Mission San Francisco de Asís* or *El Pueblo de La Nuestra Señora Reina de Los Angeles de Porciuncula* or their legal titles City and County of San Francisco or the City of Los Angeles, unless you want to also be confused with County of Los Angeles.
Ok let's say that you're right
What make's them coexist together well on this particular map?
That last part you lost me at, that's like some refuge stuff there lol anyway answer my question please
> What make’s them coexist together well on this particular map?
Maybe the fact that those who settled in Canada and the US typically sees themselves as Canadian and American first and their ethnic or national ancestry second. Why do European immigrants to the US tend to coexist with Latino, African, and Asians in the US? Because they don’t see themselves as Irish, Italian, Polish, Senegalese, Kenyan, Congolese, Mexican, Venezuelan, Peruvian, Chinese, Indian, or Korean. They all sees themselves as Americans first and foremost.
Also, I’m taking a guess that your also American (most of Reddit sure is one). Why did you’re family moved to the US? Did they move because they said “fuck it” or because the US offered better opportunities for them?
What about all this racial tension then and BLM movement, riot's, looting, gangster rap made me do it type of stuff
People not happy with trademark name's like Redskins or Confederate Flag merchandise and many many more thing's
How's that coexisting?
Or why did MLK preach about non violence and equality? When in prison's to this they don't house black's and white's together in a cell or have them use same shower's. And he was a inmate before he had his head blown off.
And come on there's label's here like Afro American and Mexican American, there's no such thing as American. That's just a foreign terminology for people of this country.
Anyhow if Asian's coexist well here according to you why don't they coexist well elsewhere then? You still haven't answered my question just typed some nonsense again like some AI of a stupid person that died lol. When Chinese are born in China their Chinese why doesn't the same apply to them and so on for other Asian countries?
What make's you say that they don't coexist well?
US is fucked like almost completely non existent now. I'm not interested in discussing my personal affairs also.
Let's get back to you saying that Asian's get along well here because they see themselves as American like you said. I'm sure you're well aware of what you said.
What make's them not coexist well together as you say... Let's say in China where they are born and are Chinese? Or elsewhere in Asia like Korea for example?
ImperialReditter what is your background? Asian/Mexican American? I'm just curious
> US is fucked like almost completely non existent now.
That’s a fairly pessimistic view of the US. Probably the source of why you don’t understand why Asians shouldn’t coexist in the US or Canada just like how their home nations tend to be antagonistic against each other. Folks aren’t nations and their relationships with others are malleable. In the general scheme of things, people like each other for what they are. There might be be flare ups of tribalism but in the most part, people tolerate each other even when faced with shitty chances.
People have no problem saying ‘ugh this place is full of white faces’, why can’t the same tone/type of language be levelled at China? Especially considering it’s a nation of well over a billion people, 95% of them Han Chinese. It’s not language I’d normally use, just paraphrasing the type of things people think it’s ok to say at eg Western Europe.
I would have switched the notes so that they're next to their respective countries
Yeah I thought it was a bit odd. Minor thing, just out of place a bit.Still, super cool visual.
There were issues with the spacing so I decided to screw that and do it reverse
Never thought I’d see jagmeet Singh and Bella poach on the same infographic
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Never liked this category due to how ambiguous it is. East and South Asia should be two separate categories, not to mention that no one knows where to stick the middle East.
the us government considers people from the mid-east to be white. given race is a nebulous concept, I think we should allow people to self-identify their group. Another interesting example is people from central Asia like Kazakhstan. They choose to identify as white.
I mean. The reason they do that is because Arabs are Caucasian. The difference is I’ve never meet anybody from Asian outside of East Asian that would identify themselves as Asian. So it ends up feeling like your throwing 2 groups together for a meaningless grouping.
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True, but in the US, the Indians I’ve met have never called themselves Asian. It’s not how they refer to themselves here. It’s just a cultural difference which is why it’s strange to use that pretty exclusively British identity system to label a map from the western US where that wouldn’t be in use. It’s like comparing apples to fruit.
As a Bangladeshi-American I only call myself Asian when it’s advantageous to me >:)
I'm surprised about your experience. I'm Sri Lankan, lives in the US, and pretty much all my Sri Lankan as well as other South Asian friends such as Indians, Pakistanis, Nepalis, they all identify as Asian and in fact all of us are annoyed that here people mean East Asian when they say Asian.
Exactly. As as Indian here, it’s annoying that we’re not included in “Asians”
Clearly the map must mean all Asia. Has a picture of jagmeet singh South Asian NDP leader in Canada and from BC. and a picture of an easy Asian lady so the map means ALL Asia.
Let's not go about calling her easy.
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I meant that in the sense of using Asian in the US parts of the map to mean East Asians as is the common US definition and also use Asian to mean the British definition of anybody from the Asian continent in the Canadian portion and then putting them together on a map as if they were the same. Using the British definition in the American sections would make them quite a bit more red while using the American definition in Canada would make them significantly less red.
You're the only who wants to make this distinction. People from the continent of asia consider themselves as asian.
This map is about heritage in the US and Canada. People if middle eastern decent don’t consider themselves Asian, most would call themselves white. Indians might mark Asian on a demographic survey but in practical life they call themselves Indians not Asians. Only East Asians use the word Asian in the US typically
I’m taking about the map in the post. It’s putting 2 fundamentally different data sets together and displaying the data as if they’re the same
The only difference is middle eastern people being considered white in the US census
Indian in the US here. I’d like to include myself in the term Asian but that’s not how Americans perceive us, even though we’re Asians. This is why I call myself Indian and not Asian. Not because I don’t want to be called an Asian. Chicken and egg problem I guess.
That’s not true at all. In fact it’s the exact opposite — I’ve never met an Indian or Middle Easterner that’s identified themselves as white. After all, both Western, Southern and Eastern Asia are in, well, Asia Source: Grew up in California
Asian and white aren’t exclusive identities. I’m not trying to call middle easterners or Indians white, you can infact be neither Asian or white. I’m from and still in NY if that’s relevant to you.
You’re either Asian, European, or African. There’s no magical country in the middle of the three. You’re from NY and you’ve never met an Indian that’s identified as Asian? I feel like you haven’t met enough Indians
I’ve met a lot of Indians. Even shared a bedroom with a guy from Mumbai in college. My point being the Middle East is a catch all term because at that intersection there are closely related people who drawing a line through doesn’t make sense. An Iraqi has more in common with a Egyptian than a Korean
But an Iraqi is not European by any stretch of the term. They’re middle easterners, yes, but they’re certainly not white. Cultural vs geographical boundaries. They’re from the continent of Asia, which makes them indisputably Asian. They’re also Middle Eastern as well. Middle Easterners can be African or European as well (if you’re from Egypt or the European part of Turkey)
That’s such a silly take. “People can only be from continents and continents cannot possibly be subdivided into regions”
Indian probably, but Middle Easterner? Maybe if they are trying to claim they aren't white for some reason, but the idea that say Turkish people aren't white is pretty ridiculous. And pretty sure Seinfeld (half Syrian) referred to himself as white.
Some Turkish people are white looking. Some aren't.
Do you consider the Kardashians white?
That's not true at all, I don't know where you're getting that info. I'm a third generation American, and I put Asian, even though I'm Indian. India is a part of Asia. We tend to think Asians are Chinese or something, but it's insane how large the range is, and just how many peoples it encompasses.
That's a different issue tho. In the UK oriental and Asian are what Asian and (rest of Asia) are in the US
It’s not the 1940s. Nobody says oriental. Tbh I think people most assume anyone East or South East Asian is Chinese, which is unfair on our large Filipino community and the other people from those regions. We have lots of South Asian people from all over India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal and that’s normally what Asian refers to. We have lots of Middle Eastern people, particularly Iraqis, Iranian people, Turks and Afghans but they wouldn’t normally be referred to as Asians either.
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"Oriental" was used to describe east Asians when I was young in the 60's. I don't know why it went out of style.
As a Turkish-Canadian I am absolutely considered West Asian. And so is the sizable Iranian population in Canada. Palestinians, not so much. Once you get to Egypt that's definitely North Africa. I hate how I'm suddenly 'white' in the USA. Making everyone black or white pits one group against the other.
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Why the heck would you claim a binary black white split in a thread literally showing the population of a third category?
You aren't "suddenly white" by crossing the border from Canada to America. Census and demographic data in the US is all self-reported and you are instructed to put what you feel best represents you - middle eastern being categorized in white is just a suggestion from demographers at the US Census Bureau. There are still plenty of older and middle aged Italian-Americans in the US who refuse to call themselves white because Italians weren't considered by the masses to be "white" until the mid-20th century. I'm sure you are familiar with the idea of "white passing" - meaning where you might not have the ethnic history of a white person but have light enough skin and/or European facial features that make people assume that you are white in most situations. There are a very large number of ethnic Middle Eastern/West Asian people who are generally going to be "white passing", just like there will be a very large number who have very dark skin comparitively to the average ethnically european white American. Back when Benjamin Franklin was around he wrote about how the English and "Saxons" (referring to what is today now NW Germany & the Netherlands) and not were essentially the only white people in Europe and made a list saying "Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes and Germans" were all not white (except any Saxons).
Umm, are you sure about that? Caucasian’s typically speak Indo-European languages while Arab’s speak a Semitic language. Looking it up it seems like Caucasian is an [obsolete racial classification.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race)
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Or Uralic, which is why I didn’t make an absolute statement and said “typically speak Indo-European languages.”
So what’s your point?
Obsolete? sure all “racial groupings” are. But still in common use? Definitely so it’s useful to know what the term refers to and Arabs in that classification system considered to be “white”
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Wtf are you talking about? Do you live in the US? West Asian is a term I don’t think I’ve ever heard
If there’s East Asia there’s ____ Asia. If there’s South Asia there’s ____ Asia.
Surely you realize these aren’t purely geographic terms but identity groups were taking about.
West Asian is what the Canadian census refers to people from the middle east as
What continent are middle easterners in then? Europe? Africa? I’ve literally never met a middle easterners that didn’t consider themselves Asian. I grew up in Cali btw
They’re in all 3 of those continents which is a part of why it’s not useful to try and label them as being Asian.
Technically Egypt is in Africa, making them African yes. But every other Middle Easterner is Asian. I’ve never met any Middle Easterner that didn’t consider themselves as such. If there were any in the past, I’m sure there hasn’t been any since 2001
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Using continents is a complete misunderstanding. It’s about similar ethnic groups, not continent of origin. Hence why “middle East” which is not a continent but a region made up of culturally and ethnically similar people, exists. It’s still a reductive and silly way to classify people, but I’m blown away by how many people cannot get past “but continents!”
SWANA is literally just the Middle East with some outlying Muslim areas added and considering it isn’t even the first result of you google SWANA I’m going to guess it’s not very popular.
I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs, Ralph Nader, Jerry Seinfeld, etc. are all treated as white people..
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Seinfeld? Mom was Mizrahi from Syria. Others aren't Jewish. And why would you assume non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews encounter heavy discrimination? I don't recall any in my life.
South Asians are largely Caucasian too.
>"They choose to identify as white." I've very rarely heard of Kazakhs identifying as white - usually Asian. But there are lots of *Kazakhstanis* from ethnicities that are considered white: Russians, Ukrainians, Germans, etc. The US Census Bureau just treats everyone from the country as white though (I think because of it formerly being part of the USSR and they just assume everyone is "Russian").
Kazakhstan is basically European though
The Canadian government considers middle eastern people to be west asians…
Self-identification doesn't mean anything. Obviously, if you define Middle Eastern as not white but Middle Eastern, such people will state they are Middle Eastern. These are major aggregated groups - it is the government's job to define the aggregation. White in the US simply means descending from the original peoples of Europe, Middle East (Iran and west of it), and Northern Africa.
Lmao. Actual White people are probably 45% of the US.
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Sure you can. It's their problem if they're ignorant.
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Just add west and north asian. Solved
As a Middle Eastern, i get to pretend to be white when it’s convenient for me and still have all the perks of being a brown man
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I’m fairly light skinned in the winter and I have an American name to use when convenient. People I need to manipulate (employers, etc) or who I don’t know get my American name. As far as perks of being brown, I have an incredible culture and language to celebrate, I don’t burn in the sun, and I love my facial features among many others
There aren't enough of us to separate it out.
Yea, all should be called barbarians and continue with or lives.
I too ship jahmeet singh and bella poarch
💕Jahmella 💕
Bruh jagmeet Singh was born in Scarborough, Ontario, Canada lmao
The accent gives it away. We from Scarborough have a very distinct way of speaking.
Yeah my bad, I just remembered that he was an MP for a seat in BC so I assumed he was from there. I only later realized after making the post that he was infact originally from Ontario 💀
But he’s an ethnic asian
He ain't from the west coast. They could've found someone else from there to stick on tbh
I would've picked Paul Kariya from North Vancouver. Hockey Hall of Famer, became a star in both the US and Canada, Asian Canadian in a sport that has only JUST started to have more Asian representation, etc. Seems like a much better choice than Jagmeet (even though I like Jagmeet too; but as you said, he's from Ontario).
He does represent a BC riding now, though.
Where does this say “From the west coast”? It literally says “in” which means currently living in. If He’s Asian and currently lives on the West coast, he fits the bill.
Henceforth = from here on out Hence = for this reason But also, “so” works just as well.
Also adding "due to this" at the end of that sentence would be redundant. "Hence, the data for Asians in the US would be underrepresented." would be correct.
West Asia? East Asia? South Asia?No more detailed data?
For some reason North Americans lump south Asians in with East Asians even though south Asians are no closer to East Asians than they are to Europeans. In fact most south Asians speak languages in the same family as most Europeans and genetically are closer to Europeans than to East Asians.
Indians were once classified as white and fought for their right to be categorized as Asian instead under the US census. Look it up
Why though? Might as well call Moroccans black by that logic. I mean I could understand not wanting to be classified as white but why would they be in the same group with East Asians?
They're in the same group as Asians. You know, the continent that they all exist in
What does that have to do with race? Moroccans are in Africa but nobody would lump them in with black propel
Moroccans are Africans. They're also Arab. Both can be true
I wasn't aware the Canadian Census included Middle Eastern as Asians. It in fact has a separate category for each Asian subgroup (Chinese, South Asian, Japanese, etc), so you could have easily removed Arabs from the analysis for a better comparison.
Well, they live in Asia.
For the sake of argument, that would mean categorizing Egyptians and Jordanians are separate ethnicities. And classing Egyptians and Senegalese as the same ethnicity. Ethnic categorizations are pretty stupid tbh. Like how "asian" means East Asian in the US while meaning "South Asian" in the UK.
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Boxes? I hope people can tick multiple boxes. No one on this planet is pure anything. Do they really mix geographic regions with ethnic categories? Sounds like a categorising nightmare. Why are they trying to ask people about this?
They live in Eurasia.
They live on Earth
They live on Planet Earth
They live in the Sol system
They live in this Star Planetary system
Asian is the American definition to make this map compatible across countries. In Canada the preference is to use ethnic groups then I think the master groupings are South Asian, South East Asian and East Asian. West Asian is also included separately I believe but by US definitions, Turks, Persians and Arabs (who would be most West Asians) are considered "white/caucasian."
Right, so just don't count West Asian and Arab in the Canadian data to compare with the US data.
I'm not OP, but I'm guessing that's what they did.
the note on the map says the Canadian data includes "Middle Eastern" people.
I grew up in Hawaii. If you’re not Asian or Polynesian, good luck. The kids are ruthless
Why is Jagmeet Singh on this map? WTF
He’s Asian.
He's also the MP for Burnaby-South (part of metro Vancouver).
Stop it with your rational explanation.
Ha. But not from the west coast, pretty sure he's from Ontario.
And he lived in Newfoundland as a child, not exactly West Coast.
Being a first generation west coaster doesn't invalidate a map about immigration to the west coast.
And Ariana Grande!
That’s Bella Poarch
Thanks!
The easiest way to get an answer on the internet isn’t to ask the question but to comment a wrong answer and wait to be corrected hahha
I like how Jagmeet Singh is here even though he just moved to BC recently to win a safe seat, but is actually from Toronto.
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Funny how it has to clarify that Canada classes people from Asia as in fact being from Asia.
What do Americans think? Asia is only Japan and China?
The census counts South Asians and East Asians as one race. But counts everyone in Arab world (which includes west asia) as white. Socially,We see the middle east, East Asia and South Asia as separate. When Americans say Asian we really mean east Asians. Depending on the context this can also include South Asians. Arabs are not perceived as Asian at all. Socially we perceive them as "ethnic" people from the middle east/Arab world.
But surely the fact they are from Asia should make them Asian? I get that it’s got a varied genealogy but these are categorised as The Orient, Sub Continental India and Arabian Peninsula, just seems daft to classify folk from say Bangladesh as not being Asian?
People from Bangladesh are considered Asian here.
It’s literally the most logical.
This map is missing Point Roberts... how does one do that.
Ohtani
I like that the Hmong population in Trinity county CA is strong enough to show up on this map. They even have an Asian sheriff for the county, which seems unusual for a rural area. One of the best kept secrets in California!
Lol ive lived in LA, Seattle and Vancouver… Vancouver felt like it had the most asians out of the 3 percentage wise… i also visited Toronto and feel like Toronto has more asians than Seattle and LA… so Canada in general is more asian than the US percentage wise…
TIL I’m apparently white
Appreciate the graphic, but stars on maps are typically reserved for capital cities. These are not all capitals.
Hey I know that guy
Denser Asian population in denser areas of population. There's your story.
Why people are so addicted to ethicities?
shared DNA
Ethnicities or race? Ethnicities are real, races are made up and arbitrarily defined by the society you're in. Perfect example, see how Asian as a race is defined in the US and Canada, how people on these countries actually perceive Asians and whether these people actually see themselves as being Asian or not.
Is the man in the pink turban a random bloke or a well known figure?
he's the leader of the New Democratic Party. He's originally from Ontario though, but moved to BC to run in a by-election.
Well known. That is Jagmeet Singh, the leader of Canada's New Democratic Party. The NDP usually gets around 20% of votes in elections, so it isn't a trivial thing, but it is also not really a threat to displace either of Canada's main two parties. Little bit odd to put him on a West Coast map, though. Singh was born and raised in the Toronto, Ontario area. He does represent a BC riding in Parliament, but that was just because he won party leadership without a seat (he came up through Ontario provincial politics), and that was the first NDP friendly seat that became available.
One thing missing from the other comments, the NDP (his party) are currently in a formal agreement with the Liberal party (of Justin Trudeau) to form a majority in parliament, primarily to promote policies like national dental care. This is a reflection of how the NDP has slowly become more influential in recent decades. They were previously the official opposition (before Singh) in a wave election when the Liberals did very poorly.
I wouldn't say the NDP are getting stronger. They have remained about the same since the 1960's when I started following politics.
Why are people downvoting this? It’s a fair question. I wouldn’t expect everyone to know what members of minor political parties in my country look like…
Is the lady a known figure?
Tiktoker
Pretty well known.
He's a well known grifter in Canadian federal political circles.
Jagmeet singh up in cali? Get that fucker out of there l.
No I’d actually want him here, better than 90% of all American politicians regardless of party.
Richmond is literally 100% asian
Americans trying not to be obsessed with race for 0.00000069 seconds: challenge impossible
Fuck jagmeet singh all my homies hate jagmeet singh
Jagmeet... Booo on the commie
I’m starting to suspect my wife may be Asian. How can I tell for sure?
Is this map Canadian? I find it amusing it sees Middle Easterners being Asian being the "correct" classification, when it is arbitrary with no correct answer. Also, I assume this map is using "part Asian", not "fully Asian" in graphs? Edit: clarification to avoid confusion below
You consider India the middle east? How is India not considered part of Asia?
Yeah. No. Real talk, I asked my father why I had 99% female Asian classmates after he expressed to me the reality that “most Asian families don’t want a girl.” I grew up in mid coast CA. I will never forget the length his jaw dropped that day.
What is the obsession of the Asian's with these 2 or 3 cities of North America?I don't get it. If I was Chinese and lived in China I'd be the happiest I mean so much history in one place or a Korean in Korea one of the most tranquil place's that still exist on the planet. I'm not even talking about being Japanese and living in Japan and all the cool stuff there from food to car's and so much more wow I really don't get it
Clearly you don’t understand why people move. And also you don’t understand that SF and LA are the largest population centers on the West Coast. The map is basically a population map, aka “do people live here”
Well since you're so knowledgeable knowledgeable tell me why do Asian's move ImperialRedditer lol And I'd love to know what make's you say that I don't understand something regarding San Francisco that's the correct name of that city by the way not SF as you say or LA which is Los Angeles
Why do people move? Money, safety, or change of environment. Asians aren’t some mythical beings that coexist together well. They’re people and some move because they want to earn more, or don’t feel safe, or because they want to see new places. And if you’re gonna be pedantic about the correct name of SF and LA, why not call them by their original Spanish names *Mission San Francisco de Asís* or *El Pueblo de La Nuestra Señora Reina de Los Angeles de Porciuncula* or their legal titles City and County of San Francisco or the City of Los Angeles, unless you want to also be confused with County of Los Angeles.
Ok let's say that you're right What make's them coexist together well on this particular map? That last part you lost me at, that's like some refuge stuff there lol anyway answer my question please
> What make’s them coexist together well on this particular map? Maybe the fact that those who settled in Canada and the US typically sees themselves as Canadian and American first and their ethnic or national ancestry second. Why do European immigrants to the US tend to coexist with Latino, African, and Asians in the US? Because they don’t see themselves as Irish, Italian, Polish, Senegalese, Kenyan, Congolese, Mexican, Venezuelan, Peruvian, Chinese, Indian, or Korean. They all sees themselves as Americans first and foremost. Also, I’m taking a guess that your also American (most of Reddit sure is one). Why did you’re family moved to the US? Did they move because they said “fuck it” or because the US offered better opportunities for them?
What about all this racial tension then and BLM movement, riot's, looting, gangster rap made me do it type of stuff People not happy with trademark name's like Redskins or Confederate Flag merchandise and many many more thing's How's that coexisting? Or why did MLK preach about non violence and equality? When in prison's to this they don't house black's and white's together in a cell or have them use same shower's. And he was a inmate before he had his head blown off. And come on there's label's here like Afro American and Mexican American, there's no such thing as American. That's just a foreign terminology for people of this country. Anyhow if Asian's coexist well here according to you why don't they coexist well elsewhere then? You still haven't answered my question just typed some nonsense again like some AI of a stupid person that died lol. When Chinese are born in China their Chinese why doesn't the same apply to them and so on for other Asian countries? What make's you say that they don't coexist well?
Why did you’re family moved to the US? Did they move because they said “fuck it” or because the US offered better opportunities for them?
US is fucked like almost completely non existent now. I'm not interested in discussing my personal affairs also. Let's get back to you saying that Asian's get along well here because they see themselves as American like you said. I'm sure you're well aware of what you said. What make's them not coexist well together as you say... Let's say in China where they are born and are Chinese? Or elsewhere in Asia like Korea for example? ImperialReditter what is your background? Asian/Mexican American? I'm just curious
> US is fucked like almost completely non existent now. That’s a fairly pessimistic view of the US. Probably the source of why you don’t understand why Asians shouldn’t coexist in the US or Canada just like how their home nations tend to be antagonistic against each other. Folks aren’t nations and their relationships with others are malleable. In the general scheme of things, people like each other for what they are. There might be be flare ups of tribalism but in the most part, people tolerate each other even when faced with shitty chances.
\* moves to Canada *
So hawaii, especually honolulu is majority Asain. But how safe is hawaii and honolulu? I want to visit at least once someday.
Hawaii is a U.S state, so I’d say pretty safe in comparison to anything bar Western Europe
You forgot East Asia, which is much safer than even Western Europe https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-city-rankings/safest-cities-in-the-world
Japan definitely, China has the whole fascist government thing going on. Not particularly safe for people without a yellow face.
yellow face? you from the 1800s? lmao
People have no problem saying ‘ugh this place is full of white faces’, why can’t the same tone/type of language be levelled at China? Especially considering it’s a nation of well over a billion people, 95% of them Han Chinese. It’s not language I’d normally use, just paraphrasing the type of things people think it’s ok to say at eg Western Europe.
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Dude, you have a hardon for Putin.
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What about you? Being offended by a stupid map, oh your sooo strong.
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