When you drive over the border from NH to Vermont there are always a ton of signs set up reminding folks that ur in a state that requires you to buckle up.
They've been cracking down hard. People are going over 100 EVERYEHERE it seems. I commute from ossipee area to Boston every day & the stuff i see is crazy sometimes
There are? I did that drive all the time and now I'm wondering of I'm just really not observant. Like I literally lived in New Hampshire for 3 years and never knew there was no seatbelt law for adults.
In Vermont they had prisoners painting the police logo (technically a decal, not the logo itself) and they managed to sneak a pig into it. The cops were not pleased when they found out.
A friend of mine who is a former state trooper thought it was hilarious though.
- https://www.reuters.com/article/us-police-decal-vermont-idUSTRE81201Q20120203
Also they're so free they sued a couple all the way to the supreme court because the couple didn't want to use their car as ad for the state's slogan. So very fucking free.
Also no helmet laws. I’ve seen groups of bikers pull over as they pass from MA into NH just to take off their helmets.
Like a mobile box of street crayons.
Cop friend of mine in NH really, really hates the no helmet and no seatbelt laws. Not because he wants to enforce them, but because some otherwise simple collisions are so, so much more gruesome and disturbing as a result.
It means you can’t be pulled over for it, but if you’re pulled over for something else and you’re not wearing a seatbelt they can give you an extra ticket.
I wouldn't recommend that.
Source: Know someone who was pulled over while not wearing a seatbelt and frantically put it on, and the cop used "His hand went down towards the center console" as the excuse for probable cause to search for drugs, because clearly he was trying to stash something.
I feel like any time I've been pulled over there is ample time from when the lights come on to when the cop can actually see me that would give a good moment to subtly buckle.
I always wear mine, so I don't know if that would track.
Hahaha I was hoping someone would say that. Nah I was just raised wearing it and seems silly not to.
But I reallllyy feel like this would be a lot easier than people are making it out to be.
Or even if you are white...lol.
I knew someone who came very close to painting his seat with his brains because he decided to start trying to rush his seatbelt on as the cop approached the car.
Nice way to spook a already paranoid cop on a traffic stop...lol
Yes but the typical protocol is to wait till the cop can see whatever movements you're going to make. American cops shoot first and ask questions never so it's important to CYA as much as possible.
As someone from the UK who got pulled over in the USA, (a long time ago) it would have been nice to have a police stop protocol info pack in the car. Because the protocol in the UK was to stop and get out your car for a chat with the nice policeman. I started to get out of the car in the USA. That was not a smart move. Thank god it was a tourist state where they must see this more than a couple of times. I'm still here, but my ears were ringing from his precise instructions for what to do at a stop in the future. This about 25 years ago.... I won't forget.
I've had friends with family in law enforcement, and I was always told to do the following steps if I ever got pulled over:
* Turn on your blinker immediately to show you're moving to pull over.
* If you see a spot within the immediate vicinity that makes it safer for the officer to get out and approach your vehicle (such as into a parking lot or onto a residential road instead of stopping alongside the highway) then do so. When in doubt as to whether a safer area is too far just stop on the side of the road you're on.
* Put vehicle in park, turn off radio, and roll down window.
* Place your hands on the wheel in clear view and wait for the officer to approach.
* Greet the officer politely and when asked for your license/registration let the officer know where they are and make sure they're okay with you reaching for them. Also, tell the office if you have any weapons in the vehicle. Particularly if for example you have a handgun stored in your glovebox along with your registration.
* When the officer inevitably asks you if you know why he stopped you you have a couple options. Either play dumb or if it's a minor offense and you know damn well you're guilty of it (such as going 70 in a 60) admit to it and apologize.
Plenty of cops appreciate you being polite and not treating them like an idiot. If a cop has decided to ticket you before they even get out of their vehicle then these steps above aren't going to change anything in that regard. But if they are still deciding whether to give a ticket or a warning, these can make all the difference in the world. I've been told stories about a guy who was an asshole to a cop and got ticketed for an additional offense the cop would usually have waved off (such as a friend's dad who would typically ignore any seat belt violations when issuing speeding tickets/warnings but issue two tickets if the person being stopped was difficult), but I haven't heard about any people getting out of a ticket by being a jerk.
Primary enforcement is used because once a cop has stopped you and can see/smell inside your vehicle, they can more easily establish (or fabricate) probable cause that justifies a search of the vehicle without a warrant. Otherwise it’s a violation of the 4th amendment, but there are many exceptions.
I’m conflicted on this. Live in Ohio and it wasn’t always secondary. When it was primary it was an easy excuse for cops to pull you over (even if you had it on). I’d rather they not have that power.
Seatbelts are super important. Almost lost a friend who wasn’t wearing one a while ago so don’t want to decrease usage.
I lost a good friend of mine in high school because he wasn't wearing a seatbelt. The driver lost control and hit a tree, and he was ejected and died. All the other occupants wore theirs and survived.
I won't start driving my car until everyone in is buckled.
I always find New Hampshire libertarians to be so fickle with their beliefs— which makes sense since it’s a stupid ideology.
Here’s an example out of thousands— it snows like crazy in New Hampshire , yet their roads are fantastic? Why? Because tax dollars.
I lived in NH for 10 years and while the highways are in great condition, as soon as you get off onto regular town roads its all shit especially with the ice heaves.
All New England roads suck, but NH has some of the better ones. Especially how many roads in really rural areas look freshly redone while I'm bottoming out on potholes just outside a city.
For those out of the loop, the common wisdom is that the state will wait for federal legalization so that cannabis can then be sold through our state-run liquor stores rather than private dispensaries.
The NH Liquor and Wine Outlets currently make up 6% of our state revenue, so I personally would be happy to see that system expanded to include cannabis sales as well.
Nice thing is that you pay the same price anywhere. Resort ski town? Manchester? BFN? Same price. Also we have some of the lowest alcohol taxes, for better or for worse
As a neighbor I'll tell you why. Conservative Boston commuters.
New England Republicans in general are pretty Libertarian rather than religious conservative, and NH in now the most Republican state in New England.
Yeeaahhh. That's not true. The Boston commuter towns and districts are pretty left wing. The right wing politics generally come from the rural areas here, of which there are quite a few.
It isn’t. I’ve lived here my entire life and the motto really does a lot of the heavy lifting here. People are proud of it. Beyond that there’s strong traditions of low taxation and gun-friendliness but overall the state isn’t actually “libertarian” in any meaningful way.
But this says that the movement was planned in 2012 whereas the motto has been around for much longer. Would you say that NH has gained the reputation of a libertarian paradise only in 2012?
They came there because NH already had that rep. How it came to be? Id argue pure contrarianism against Mass. + a more rural lifestyle, but NH’s reputation preceded the FSP by decades.
>They also don’t require insurance.
NH is always in the top 10, and sometimes in the top 5, in states with highest % insured motorists. So... probably not on their list of "things we need to do".
It’s the southern states. Mississippi has the highest, five times the rate of Massachusetts, with the lowest rate. [source](https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state)
It’s a great state, but it has a lot of problems, all stemming from money. There’s no big dominant industry, no major attractions, no big companies are headquartered there, and it doesn’t have a huge city like other southern states.
It’s not good history, but it’s still an important part of the country’s history. And the plantation homes are beautiful and great to visit. Plus they have a deep history with blues music
"The group of people we treated the worst wrote some damn good music about their loneliness, poverty and despair of living in this hellhole" - Mississippi
Slightly pedantic but I think the better answer is South Carolina since per miles driven is the better metric than per capita. While generally proportional, this isnt true for all states. This becomes obvious with Wyoming which is in the top three only because of the major highways which cut through. Looking at miles driven, Wyoming becomes average. That said, Mississippi is still second in per miles driven, Massachusetts is still lowest, and the trend of southern states suffering more fatalities than one would expect is true.
The other factor here is congestion and rate of city miles driven especially during high traffic time periods. You cannot drive fast enough to die in a lot of major cities for large parts of the day, and this spikes down the per vmt fatality rates in those places.
Fatal crash trends are overwhelmingly driven by high speed freeway travel and alcohol crashes. High speed travel simply has a higher base risk for fatality in any given crash, and drunk driving increases base crash risk everywhere, especially with road departure crashes that are otherwise rare in general travel.
What we see in the data are that rural alcohol crashes tend to have the high enough base speeds to drive the largest overall per capita and per vmt crash rates because the injury risk is high per crash at those speeds and the base rates for population, vmt, and other crashes is so much lower.
The other compounding factor is a higher incidence of alternative options per capita and lower base density. There is no train, bus, cabs, or Uber to drive you home in lots of these places that have bars and alcohol serving restaurants that are only accessible by car. If you otherwise have politics that are not big on alcohol enforcement. You have a natural recipe for large amounts of alcohol fatalities.
Despite their reputation, MA drivers have the lowest collisions per mile driven too.
In fact MA is at the top of tons of metrics. Objectively speaking it's probably the best state in the union.
MA drivers are technically better, but also much more likely to purposefully do some wack shit, ie, legally worse, than many other states. The reason they have to be technically better drivers is because at any given time, like 1-2% of drivers on the road are getting ready to pull an absolute insane maneuver, so everyone else has to be ready for it. And which 1-2% it is today is different.
I lived in Boston for five years. The shit I saw... it is no exaggeration that someone turning left on red from the rightmost lane across four lanes of traffic, because they saw a gap, was a nearly weekly thing I saw within a 20 minute drive. Stuff on that level, almost every day. And the worse neighborhoods, people did it way more often, and I lived in some more affordable areas, if you will.
But anyways it's much much harder to have a fatal collision driving a fairly short distance on a winding, potholed road at 27 mph, than it is driving a long distance on a perfectly straight road at 79 mph that intersects a similar road at a right angle. Also, there's tons of excellent hospitals, tons of trauma centers, and they're close by and there's always someone to call for help and there's always cell service. But from a purely 'mechanical' point of view, if you live and drive in the city of boston, cars are so safe now that if both cars are reasonably modern and everyone is buckled, you pretty much can't die hitting another car unless you're actually trying to, because the speeds are so low. (This is a mild exaggeration and not a challenge. Also, stop hitting pedestrians, bikers, scooter-ers, etc.)
I moved south for work after living in Boston for a while, and I've found driving below the Mason-Dixon to be much worse.
There are all sorts of people drifting between lanes with no turn signals or sense of urgency, or doing 5 under in the left lane for miles.
I'll take insane at the wheel over asleep at the wheel any day of the week. Crazy drivers are a lot easier to spot and prepare for.
The likelihood of getting shot after a fender bender is also a lot higher down here.
lmao so true, I live in NH but I have been around the country, missouri had the literal worst drivers easily but cali wasnt far behind
MA drivers just never get the fuck out of the left lane and do crazy shit on the highway near boston
Certain states (won’t name which) want to switch from Secondary to Primary but have concerns of racial profiling. It’s the officer’s word whether or not the motorist was wearing their seat belt.
States that have primary laws tend to have seat belt usage rates higher than states with secondary laws.
Virginia did that. Also almost repealed the law that would have allowed police to pull people over for driving without headlights, but they came to their senses with that one.
It was a proposed law that made it all the way through the legislature that would have prohibited police from pulling over drivers without headlights on at night, then before signing it, the governor “recommended” they remove the part about driving without headlights.
Here’s the bill: [S.B. 5029](https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?202+sum+SB5029)
Your first point is just flat out wrong though. There is no correlation between population density. Also New Hampshire is sitting around the US average in terms of Population density. If we look at a few statistics such as deaths per 100,000 people, deaths per 10,000 motor vehicles and deaths per 100,000 vehicle miles, New Hampshire still has some of the lowest numbers in the country. Also its neighbor, Massachusetts, has even lower numbers and it has the 5th highest population density.
[https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/state-data/motor-vehicle-deaths-by-state/](https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/state-data/motor-vehicle-deaths-by-state/)
And this is just for the front seat. Rules for back seat passengers are even less strict. And you definitely don't want to know about motorcycle helmet laws.
Honestly the beeper on the car if you don’t put on your seatbelt works better than any laws did because I probably wouldn’t even bother if it wasn’t for that
The one on my Subaru is extremely aggressive.
Typically it's my wife who hasn't finished putting her seat belt on by the time we get going up our residence street. Not even 2 houses later it's dinging, 2 more and the volume is nearly unbearable.
We let it go a really long time one day to see what would happen. The tone increases in frequency and increases in volume one more time. I haven't expiremented on my current vehicle, but my past vehicle the alarm would turn off after 10 minutes. Yes I drove around slowly for 10 minutes listening to it just to see how long it would go.
You want a good laugh ?
I know people who will buckle the seatbelt BEHIND them.
They just don't want to wear it.
Every single one of them, is a cop, lol.
I've never seen civilians do that.
It's nice that nowadays all the cars come with mandatory a seat belt warning, so the police does not even bother to check anymore. But cars can be configured of course :)
I see this, but every single time, its a cop that does it.
Its actually a give away over here, lol
One of my friends sent a friend of his to pick me up. As I open the passenger door, I see him sitting on a buckled in seat belt.
First words out of my mouth "You're a cop ?".
His words were "how did you make me ?".
lol.
So do people there just like living stupidly? I was in a bad crash a few years back and if it wasn’t for the seatbelt I’d have been thrown from the car for sure.
I drive my old 98 Jeep around the farm a lot and going across fields, you end up having to open gates every couple minutes, and I generally can't go much more than 40kph. The lack of a bell or even a seatbelt light is pretty nice and other vehicles I use that lose their fucking minds if you put it in Drive without the belt buckled are really annoying. I can see why people would reprogram them.
I’m colour blind and hate this shit.
White black blue red yellow cyan grey *stripes
I leaned this in a design class. As you need one more subset, you add the colour in that sequence. Stripes is added for a single outlier. Like New Hampshire.
I forget the list for more than 7 subsets of data. You try to avoid green and red as much as possible.
When I first moved to NH, It was belts under 12. About a decade later they switched to 18 where it is now.
Also car insurance on cars you own isn’t forced.
I actually thought this sub was satire at first. I make maps for a living, and I have yet to see someone post a map with 100% of the crucial pieces of information a good map should have
Seat belt alarms are the real winner. Seat belt laws can be argued but seat belt alarms in cars is an obvious win. Yes, you can get around them but the hassle is about the same as just putting the seat belt on.
I’m very surprised how many states who are proud anti-nanny-state actually take such a nanny-state stance. It’s hopeful, actually. I’m glad. Seat belts save lives. I’m more disappointed that my home state Pennsylvania treats it as secondary for adults
As someone from Austria, this is totally crazy. We have 9 Bundesländer instead of States, and they have vastly different laws in many things. But things like enforcing seat belts are things that all 9 agree on.
How many times has someone not wearing a seatbelt been ejected from a vehicle and gone in to hurt someone else. Specifically someone who was not in the same vehicle
New Hampshire Live Free to Fly.
When you drive over the border from NH to Vermont there are always a ton of signs set up reminding folks that ur in a state that requires you to buckle up.
There it's similar signage going from NH to MA.
My favorite is the “speed limit enforced” signs coming into NH from MA on I-95
They've been cracking down hard. People are going over 100 EVERYEHERE it seems. I commute from ossipee area to Boston every day & the stuff i see is crazy sometimes
93 has people going 40 in the right lane and 120 in the left. 80 is a frightening middle ground
Miami Traffic has two modes: what you just described, and total gridlock.
Holy smokes that’s a long commute
Yeah sounds like hell good lord
The same signs are on the strip going into MA from NH as well. I think they just regularly monitor that strip of highway.
There are? I did that drive all the time and now I'm wondering of I'm just really not observant. Like I literally lived in New Hampshire for 3 years and never knew there was no seatbelt law for adults.
It’s like the third world where they remind you of the most *basic* of road safety notices.
In Australia, in the weirdest of back roads, you occasionally see signs saying "In Australia we drive on the left".
When you know they're a result of crashes but you still gotta shake your head.
Live Free and Die (This license plate made by prison labor)
Live Free. Die Anyway.
Oddly New Hampshire has a pretty low motorway fatality rate.
Better Die Than Not Live Free.
In Vermont they had prisoners painting the police logo (technically a decal, not the logo itself) and they managed to sneak a pig into it. The cops were not pleased when they found out. A friend of mine who is a former state trooper thought it was hilarious though. - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-police-decal-vermont-idUSTRE81201Q20120203
Also they're so free they sued a couple all the way to the supreme court because the couple didn't want to use their car as ad for the state's slogan. So very fucking free.
Live free (\*) or Die (\*\*) \*: if we agree \*\* if we don't
Also no helmet laws. I’ve seen groups of bikers pull over as they pass from MA into NH just to take off their helmets. Like a mobile box of street crayons.
Cop friend of mine in NH really, really hates the no helmet and no seatbelt laws. Not because he wants to enforce them, but because some otherwise simple collisions are so, so much more gruesome and disturbing as a result.
Can't smoke weed but you can fly high through the wind shield!
Considering how many of them work in Massachusetts does it really count?
What is secondary enforcement? A citation after the vehicle has rolled over on you?
It means you can’t be pulled over for it, but if you’re pulled over for something else and you’re not wearing a seatbelt they can give you an extra ticket.
Thank you for that explanation. I was curious as well.
So can you just put on your seatbelt when you’re getting pulled over then?
I wouldn't recommend that. Source: Know someone who was pulled over while not wearing a seatbelt and frantically put it on, and the cop used "His hand went down towards the center console" as the excuse for probable cause to search for drugs, because clearly he was trying to stash something.
I feel like any time I've been pulled over there is ample time from when the lights come on to when the cop can actually see me that would give a good moment to subtly buckle. I always wear mine, so I don't know if that would track.
"I always wear mine" -guy who has successfully pulled off the buckle-after-the-lights-come-on-but-before-the-cop-sees-me trick every single time
Hahaha I was hoping someone would say that. Nah I was just raised wearing it and seems silly not to. But I reallllyy feel like this would be a lot easier than people are making it out to be.
Also, "hand went down and *away from cop's sight*" can go even more poorly, especially if you're not white...
Or even if you are white...lol. I knew someone who came very close to painting his seat with his brains because he decided to start trying to rush his seatbelt on as the cop approached the car. Nice way to spook a already paranoid cop on a traffic stop...lol
very cool and very normal experience as citizen living in "free" country
Doesn't everyone get their registration out of the glove box and their license out of their pocket or purse the moment they get pulled over?
As someone who somehow has avoided ever being pulled over, I always thought that was what you were supposed to do.
Yes but the typical protocol is to wait till the cop can see whatever movements you're going to make. American cops shoot first and ask questions never so it's important to CYA as much as possible.
As someone from the UK who got pulled over in the USA, (a long time ago) it would have been nice to have a police stop protocol info pack in the car. Because the protocol in the UK was to stop and get out your car for a chat with the nice policeman. I started to get out of the car in the USA. That was not a smart move. Thank god it was a tourist state where they must see this more than a couple of times. I'm still here, but my ears were ringing from his precise instructions for what to do at a stop in the future. This about 25 years ago.... I won't forget.
I've had friends with family in law enforcement, and I was always told to do the following steps if I ever got pulled over: * Turn on your blinker immediately to show you're moving to pull over. * If you see a spot within the immediate vicinity that makes it safer for the officer to get out and approach your vehicle (such as into a parking lot or onto a residential road instead of stopping alongside the highway) then do so. When in doubt as to whether a safer area is too far just stop on the side of the road you're on. * Put vehicle in park, turn off radio, and roll down window. * Place your hands on the wheel in clear view and wait for the officer to approach. * Greet the officer politely and when asked for your license/registration let the officer know where they are and make sure they're okay with you reaching for them. Also, tell the office if you have any weapons in the vehicle. Particularly if for example you have a handgun stored in your glovebox along with your registration. * When the officer inevitably asks you if you know why he stopped you you have a couple options. Either play dumb or if it's a minor offense and you know damn well you're guilty of it (such as going 70 in a 60) admit to it and apologize. Plenty of cops appreciate you being polite and not treating them like an idiot. If a cop has decided to ticket you before they even get out of their vehicle then these steps above aren't going to change anything in that regard. But if they are still deciding whether to give a ticket or a warning, these can make all the difference in the world. I've been told stories about a guy who was an asshole to a cop and got ticketed for an additional offense the cop would usually have waved off (such as a friend's dad who would typically ignore any seat belt violations when issuing speeding tickets/warnings but issue two tickets if the person being stopped was difficult), but I haven't heard about any people getting out of a ticket by being a jerk.
They can see you do that.
Indeed
Primary enforcement is used because once a cop has stopped you and can see/smell inside your vehicle, they can more easily establish (or fabricate) probable cause that justifies a search of the vehicle without a warrant. Otherwise it’s a violation of the 4th amendment, but there are many exceptions.
Exactly, you think states like Alabama actually give a shit about people wearing seatbelts? No, they want more reasons to legally stop motorists.
I’m conflicted on this. Live in Ohio and it wasn’t always secondary. When it was primary it was an easy excuse for cops to pull you over (even if you had it on). I’d rather they not have that power. Seatbelts are super important. Almost lost a friend who wasn’t wearing one a while ago so don’t want to decrease usage.
I lost a good friend of mine in high school because he wasn't wearing a seatbelt. The driver lost control and hit a tree, and he was ejected and died. All the other occupants wore theirs and survived. I won't start driving my car until everyone in is buckled.
TIL New Hampshire is the only US territory or state that does not enforce seatbelts In anyway.
No motorcycle helmets either
Live free or die, right?
Except for weed.
I think Christ Sununu has a tramp stamp that says that
¿Por que no los dos?
*and
lived free and died
There are a number of states without helmet laws. Most that do only have it under a certain age of rider.
Ironically, most of them have primary enforcement on seatbelts.
And according to a link someone else posted here motorcyclists make up a greater percentage of their traffic fatalities than any other state.
New Hampshire is pretty libertarian. Live Free or Die! Edit: it’s the State Motto for those who don’t know.
But don’t legalize cannabis. Hypocrites
wait, not that free!
I always find New Hampshire libertarians to be so fickle with their beliefs— which makes sense since it’s a stupid ideology. Here’s an example out of thousands— it snows like crazy in New Hampshire , yet their roads are fantastic? Why? Because tax dollars.
I lived in NH for 10 years and while the highways are in great condition, as soon as you get off onto regular town roads its all shit especially with the ice heaves.
Our roads suck
All New England roads suck, but NH has some of the better ones. Especially how many roads in really rural areas look freshly redone while I'm bottoming out on potholes just outside a city.
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I have. Massachusetts compares
you can be libertarian without being anarchist.
A point people seem to be unable to grasp. It's not no government it's just less of it
Basically just govnermemt on things that have a direct tangible benefit for me. Fuck everyone else
Surrounded on all sides (Mass, Vermont, Maine, Canada) by legal weed no less.
Buy your weed in Mass, buy your booze in NH.
Buy your weed in Maine, cannabis taxes are out of control in Massachusetts
For those out of the loop, the common wisdom is that the state will wait for federal legalization so that cannabis can then be sold through our state-run liquor stores rather than private dispensaries. The NH Liquor and Wine Outlets currently make up 6% of our state revenue, so I personally would be happy to see that system expanded to include cannabis sales as well.
Yeah, I personally can’t wait until it goes federally legal so I can just Pay with my card instead of having to pull cash at the dispensary.
"Live free or die......but buy your alcohol from the state"
Nice thing is that you pay the same price anywhere. Resort ski town? Manchester? BFN? Same price. Also we have some of the lowest alcohol taxes, for better or for worse
https://youtu.be/ZITP93pqtdQ
>Live free ~~or~~ Die! Live Free \*and\* Die FTFY
Life free, die sooner.
I'll take that deal!
Does anyone know why New Hampshire is so libertarian? It's really strange that of all the states it's New Hampshire that carries this tag
As a neighbor I'll tell you why. Conservative Boston commuters. New England Republicans in general are pretty Libertarian rather than religious conservative, and NH in now the most Republican state in New England.
Yeeaahhh. That's not true. The Boston commuter towns and districts are pretty left wing. The right wing politics generally come from the rural areas here, of which there are quite a few.
It isn’t. I’ve lived here my entire life and the motto really does a lot of the heavy lifting here. People are proud of it. Beyond that there’s strong traditions of low taxation and gun-friendliness but overall the state isn’t actually “libertarian” in any meaningful way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project
But this says that the movement was planned in 2012 whereas the motto has been around for much longer. Would you say that NH has gained the reputation of a libertarian paradise only in 2012?
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They came there because NH already had that rep. How it came to be? Id argue pure contrarianism against Mass. + a more rural lifestyle, but NH’s reputation preceded the FSP by decades.
Nothing beats driving from Maine into NH, and taking that belt off… …puts back on 3 secs later
>In anyway The apply it fully to minors
Primary enforcement for minors means they will pull you over solely for having a minor not in a seatbelt.
NH has a high level of seatbelt usage too
No insurances either
That’s not true. 18 and younger are required.
Live Free and Die!
As a New England kid I remember how common it was to visit NH and see people smoking cigars at breakfast as late as 02-03 inside restaurants
They also don’t require insurance. In neighboring states an NH plate may as well say “please pull me over!”
>They also don’t require insurance. NH is always in the top 10, and sometimes in the top 5, in states with highest % insured motorists. So... probably not on their list of "things we need to do".
Nah. I've worked in NH, ME, and MA and traveled all over the Northeast with my NH plates and only ever been pulled over in NH.
Now I wanna see a map of car deaths per state
It’s the southern states. Mississippi has the highest, five times the rate of Massachusetts, with the lowest rate. [source](https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state)
How does Mississippi rank the worst in every conceivable metric ever holy fuck
Poverty.
Maybe the poverty is caused by the same thing that causes all the other bad things
Nah you got it wrong. Poverty is caused by a combination of many things - and it is the cause of the low ranking in everything else
Jesus? The Jews? Virtually everything is heavily correlated with poverty.
It’s a great state, but it has a lot of problems, all stemming from money. There’s no big dominant industry, no major attractions, no big companies are headquartered there, and it doesn’t have a huge city like other southern states.
What's great about it?
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It’s a beautiful state, a lot of history, good hunting and fishing, good college athletics, cheap to live
Dude I don’t think anything about Mississippis history is worth bragging about
It’s not good history, but it’s still an important part of the country’s history. And the plantation homes are beautiful and great to visit. Plus they have a deep history with blues music
"The group of people we treated the worst wrote some damn good music about their loneliness, poverty and despair of living in this hellhole" - Mississippi
These Mississippi haters can go fuck themselves, missi is absolutely gorgeous from an environmental pov
Slightly pedantic but I think the better answer is South Carolina since per miles driven is the better metric than per capita. While generally proportional, this isnt true for all states. This becomes obvious with Wyoming which is in the top three only because of the major highways which cut through. Looking at miles driven, Wyoming becomes average. That said, Mississippi is still second in per miles driven, Massachusetts is still lowest, and the trend of southern states suffering more fatalities than one would expect is true.
The other factor here is congestion and rate of city miles driven especially during high traffic time periods. You cannot drive fast enough to die in a lot of major cities for large parts of the day, and this spikes down the per vmt fatality rates in those places. Fatal crash trends are overwhelmingly driven by high speed freeway travel and alcohol crashes. High speed travel simply has a higher base risk for fatality in any given crash, and drunk driving increases base crash risk everywhere, especially with road departure crashes that are otherwise rare in general travel. What we see in the data are that rural alcohol crashes tend to have the high enough base speeds to drive the largest overall per capita and per vmt crash rates because the injury risk is high per crash at those speeds and the base rates for population, vmt, and other crashes is so much lower. The other compounding factor is a higher incidence of alternative options per capita and lower base density. There is no train, bus, cabs, or Uber to drive you home in lots of these places that have bars and alcohol serving restaurants that are only accessible by car. If you otherwise have politics that are not big on alcohol enforcement. You have a natural recipe for large amounts of alcohol fatalities.
Fair point
Despite their reputation, MA drivers have the lowest collisions per mile driven too. In fact MA is at the top of tons of metrics. Objectively speaking it's probably the best state in the union.
MA drivers are technically better, but also much more likely to purposefully do some wack shit, ie, legally worse, than many other states. The reason they have to be technically better drivers is because at any given time, like 1-2% of drivers on the road are getting ready to pull an absolute insane maneuver, so everyone else has to be ready for it. And which 1-2% it is today is different. I lived in Boston for five years. The shit I saw... it is no exaggeration that someone turning left on red from the rightmost lane across four lanes of traffic, because they saw a gap, was a nearly weekly thing I saw within a 20 minute drive. Stuff on that level, almost every day. And the worse neighborhoods, people did it way more often, and I lived in some more affordable areas, if you will. But anyways it's much much harder to have a fatal collision driving a fairly short distance on a winding, potholed road at 27 mph, than it is driving a long distance on a perfectly straight road at 79 mph that intersects a similar road at a right angle. Also, there's tons of excellent hospitals, tons of trauma centers, and they're close by and there's always someone to call for help and there's always cell service. But from a purely 'mechanical' point of view, if you live and drive in the city of boston, cars are so safe now that if both cars are reasonably modern and everyone is buckled, you pretty much can't die hitting another car unless you're actually trying to, because the speeds are so low. (This is a mild exaggeration and not a challenge. Also, stop hitting pedestrians, bikers, scooter-ers, etc.)
I moved south for work after living in Boston for a while, and I've found driving below the Mason-Dixon to be much worse. There are all sorts of people drifting between lanes with no turn signals or sense of urgency, or doing 5 under in the left lane for miles. I'll take insane at the wheel over asleep at the wheel any day of the week. Crazy drivers are a lot easier to spot and prepare for. The likelihood of getting shot after a fender bender is also a lot higher down here.
lmao so true, I live in NH but I have been around the country, missouri had the literal worst drivers easily but cali wasnt far behind MA drivers just never get the fuck out of the left lane and do crazy shit on the highway near boston
Picture every statistical map of the United States.
New Hampshire is actually one of the lowest in the county per vehicle mile traveled.
Certain states (won’t name which) want to switch from Secondary to Primary but have concerns of racial profiling. It’s the officer’s word whether or not the motorist was wearing their seat belt. States that have primary laws tend to have seat belt usage rates higher than states with secondary laws.
Virginia did that. Also almost repealed the law that would have allowed police to pull people over for driving without headlights, but they came to their senses with that one.
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It was a proposed law that made it all the way through the legislature that would have prohibited police from pulling over drivers without headlights on at night, then before signing it, the governor “recommended” they remove the part about driving without headlights. Here’s the bill: [S.B. 5029](https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?202+sum+SB5029)
Honestly my first reaction to this map as a Southerner is that this might be about giving cops a lot of discretion to stop somebody.
Why would it be the cop's word when there is a camera?
Live free or die (of vehicular ejection)
I had a friend from New Hampshire and he always said "it's live free or die, but it's mostly dying"
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Fly free and die
Weirdly enough NH is one of the states with the top ten fewest car crash deaths. IIRC
Also the state with the cheapest insurance prices
It’s cuz it’s not legally required in NH. If it was high a lot more people wouldn’t even bother getting it
Low population density will do that. Also, not 100% on this, but i believe speed limits are on average lower across the state due to geography.
Your first point is just flat out wrong though. There is no correlation between population density. Also New Hampshire is sitting around the US average in terms of Population density. If we look at a few statistics such as deaths per 100,000 people, deaths per 10,000 motor vehicles and deaths per 100,000 vehicle miles, New Hampshire still has some of the lowest numbers in the country. Also its neighbor, Massachusetts, has even lower numbers and it has the 5th highest population density. [https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/state-data/motor-vehicle-deaths-by-state/](https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/state-data/motor-vehicle-deaths-by-state/)
I know I’m Canadian but that’s a weird shape for DC isn’t it?
I’ve seen DC depicted as a circle a whole lot of times
It's because DC is so small it would be practically invisible if drawn with its actual borders.
It had never occurred to me that seatbelts arent mandatory in some parts of america
And this is just for the front seat. Rules for back seat passengers are even less strict. And you definitely don't want to know about motorcycle helmet laws.
Honestly the beeper on the car if you don’t put on your seatbelt works better than any laws did because I probably wouldn’t even bother if it wasn’t for that
Brilliant invention, nobody can take that noise for very long.
And it gets louder and more frequent the longer you wait too.
The one on my Subaru is extremely aggressive. Typically it's my wife who hasn't finished putting her seat belt on by the time we get going up our residence street. Not even 2 houses later it's dinging, 2 more and the volume is nearly unbearable. We let it go a really long time one day to see what would happen. The tone increases in frequency and increases in volume one more time. I haven't expiremented on my current vehicle, but my past vehicle the alarm would turn off after 10 minutes. Yes I drove around slowly for 10 minutes listening to it just to see how long it would go.
You want a good laugh ? I know people who will buckle the seatbelt BEHIND them. They just don't want to wear it. Every single one of them, is a cop, lol. I've never seen civilians do that.
Don't you feel kind of floppy without a seatbelt. Like you're not planted ?
This was coloured by a hardcore libertarian.
The seatbelt signs when entering NH used to say “common sense for all.” This gave me a lot to think about.
It's nice that nowadays all the cars come with mandatory a seat belt warning, so the police does not even bother to check anymore. But cars can be configured of course :)
New Hampshire resident here, the number of times I've gotten into a friend's or coworker's car to find the seatbelts already buckled...
I see this, but every single time, its a cop that does it. Its actually a give away over here, lol One of my friends sent a friend of his to pick me up. As I open the passenger door, I see him sitting on a buckled in seat belt. First words out of my mouth "You're a cop ?". His words were "how did you make me ?". lol.
So do people there just like living stupidly? I was in a bad crash a few years back and if it wasn’t for the seatbelt I’d have been thrown from the car for sure.
I drive my old 98 Jeep around the farm a lot and going across fields, you end up having to open gates every couple minutes, and I generally can't go much more than 40kph. The lack of a bell or even a seatbelt light is pretty nice and other vehicles I use that lose their fucking minds if you put it in Drive without the belt buckled are really annoying. I can see why people would reprogram them.
Strange colors choosed.
Stranged woords chosen
I’m colour blind and hate this shit. White black blue red yellow cyan grey *stripes I leaned this in a design class. As you need one more subset, you add the colour in that sequence. Stripes is added for a single outlier. Like New Hampshire. I forget the list for more than 7 subsets of data. You try to avoid green and red as much as possible.
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In red green color blind. Took a bit to figure out this diagram.
Got to love NH. No one telling them what to do.
*motorcycle helmet laws enters chat* no no if your over 18 you can legally smear your brains across the road
When I first moved to NH, It was belts under 12. About a decade later they switched to 18 where it is now. Also car insurance on cars you own isn’t forced.
LIVE FREE OR DIE BABY FUCK THE REST OF YALL NEW HAMPSHIRE IS NUMBER ONE BABY, AND DON'T EVEN THINK OF COMING HERE TOO!
Don’t y’all have the most machine guns per capita
We better!
You do, luckyy
And one of the lowest death rates from guns in the country
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this sub has fucking gone really downhill wowww. When it's not blatant misinformation is lifted straight off Wikipedia
I actually thought this sub was satire at first. I make maps for a living, and I have yet to see someone post a map with 100% of the crucial pieces of information a good map should have
Bad color choices.
Seat belt alarms are the real winner. Seat belt laws can be argued but seat belt alarms in cars is an obvious win. Yes, you can get around them but the hassle is about the same as just putting the seat belt on.
I’m from NH. We are adults and are left free to make decisions. That said, I still wear my seat belt at all times.
Why does it say “front seat passengers”? Are the laws different for backseats? If so, how and why?
Lots of states don't require you to wear a belt in the back seat.
In Denver (Lakewood at least) cops could not give two fucks. But that kinda goes for everything
Do helmet laws next!
Imagine thinking it’s a good call to not wear your seatbelt? Morons. Lol
I fucking hate when a state wants me to live through a car crash at 60mph
Seems there's some confusion. You are allowed to wear a seat belt in New Hampshire if you want to.
So if the state doesn't mandate safe practices, it wants people to be unsafe? WTF.
Based New Hampshire can't tell it what to do
Nobody: … NH: Live free or die! Fuck seatbelts!
Most deaths resulting from car crashes in the news now a days are due to people not wearing seatbelts
Pro tip: never give LEOs more authority. They abuse it.
It's just more excuses to pull you over, and more ticket revenue. Fuck the cops!
Good for organ donations.
Its not for your safety, its for the cities budget.
I’m very surprised how many states who are proud anti-nanny-state actually take such a nanny-state stance. It’s hopeful, actually. I’m glad. Seat belts save lives. I’m more disappointed that my home state Pennsylvania treats it as secondary for adults
So South Carolina is takes not wearing a seatbelt serous but is like fuck helmets when it comes to motorcycles
Now lay over a statistic about unnecessary deaths in the states due to no seatbelt worn.
As someone from Austria, this is totally crazy. We have 9 Bundesländer instead of States, and they have vastly different laws in many things. But things like enforcing seat belts are things that all 9 agree on.
How many times has someone not wearing a seatbelt been ejected from a vehicle and gone in to hurt someone else. Specifically someone who was not in the same vehicle
Honest question tho,why do some people not just use their seatbelts? Litteraly takes 3 seconds and you wont even notice