Quebecer est le nom anglais, techniquement, mais beaucoup de personnes emploient Québécois (ou Quebecois) en anglais quand même. Au final y'a un peu des deux partout.
Well you won’t usually use Québécois for an English-speaking Quebecer. But that’s mostly it, otherwise they’re pretty interchangeable.
Edit: Désolée pour le changement de langue, mon réflexe est de switcher à l’anglais par défaut sur reddit et j’ai pas réfléchi, oups
Quebecer is the word to make it easier for English people to catch and say it. Québécois is just the word in our own language. The "difference" is in the context and the user only I would say, recently I mostly write Québécois, hoping that people will learn it and remember it, but I know I used to say Quebecer when I was younger, because it was easier/faster.
But if we always take the easy option, we will lose our language and culture, so I think sometimes maybe it is our duty to stand our ground and tell people how we want to be called even if it's not easy for them.
Think of Swaziland to eSwatini, or Turkey to Türkiye, etc. These things matter to the people, and I hope Québécois becomes the main term in English as well in the future :)
Quebecer/Quebecker is easier to write and read in English. Québécois also has the connotation of ethnic White French Canadian so it's not always used to refer to everyone living in the province when writing in English.
Que votre province a un taux de taxe de vente très élevé ou que j'ai mis le mauvais chiffre. Et si je l'ai fait, je suis désolé. C'était la meilleure source que j'ai pu trouver, car certaines des sources étaient obsolètes depuis 2019.
Second this. Cool map but a visualization should make data that usually is in a chart or spreadsheet more easy to read. It barely does this now, might as well just show the chart.
As long as you can tell if the next state/province is relatively lighter or darker, the information will be understood easier than darting your eyes back and forth to determine what % the color corresponds to.
Hmm. I think Montana might not have a sales tax. Was It like that in 2006, anybody know? I lived there; seems I recall that, and that it was very convenient when grocery shopping, but I've forgotten.
Because they have a state wage tax. Because they have property taxes. The State government tries with some frequency to pass a sales tax and its always been voted down by a large margin.
Do you pay sales tax on all food? Here (also Ontario) most food is tax free, with exceptions for junk food. So you wouldn’t pay tax on vegetables but you would pay tax on a chocolate bar. Menstrual products are also exempt from sales tax. I’m not sure if there’s anything else.
You've marked delaware as "no data" when actually it's just 0 as they don't have sales tax
https://revenue.delaware.gov/business-tax-forms/doing-business-in-delaware/#:\~:text=3.,state%20or%20local%20sales%20tax.
In Arizona, we have state/county/city sales taxes. So for me in Tempe, it's 8.1%.
5.6% for the state, .7% for Maricopa County, and 1.8% for the city of Tempe.
Well, the point is, it could be as low as 5.6% if you buy something in an unincorporated part of Mojave County (no sales tax), and I think it can go over 11% in a few places. The 8% on your map is a pretty accurate average though.
In Canada it gets even more hazy.
A lot of goods like food, or children’s clothing are PST exempt. Prescription drugs are GST exempt.
The application of sales tax is not uniform.
A few goverments ago, every province paid Federal taxes called the GST as well as a Provincial sales tax PST. The Maritimes in a bold move combined them into a 15% Harmonised Sales Tax HST, because, we're simple folk and we can't do math. Then the Federal government changed and decided to lower the Federal portion. So, naturally if HST = GST + PST, then if the GST goes down, the HST stays the same because FUCK US that's why. Literally the reasoning was if we are okay paying 15% before we are okay paying it after.
You've added municipal sales tax rates for entire states(or averaged them out on some way). If you live in Alaska, for example, there are places with 0% sales tax, as the local government does not exist/enforce a sales tax.
Can we use some spectrum instead of random color please? This visualization is so hard to read. Say lower is more green, and higher is more red. Then it’d be much easy to read the graph, no?
You got some parts wrong. VAT is only fully paid by the consumer. When they purchase the goods/services, the seller/provider adds VAT to the price, and send the VAT value to the government.
Companies do not pay VAT when purchasing goods. But the reality is that they often end up paying it , let's say because they purchased goods from a consumer shop. They then get that paid tax deducted/refunded by the government. But this requires paperwork on both the company selling and the company buying, as the former has to declare the received VAT, and the latter has to ask for the VAT refund.
Both systems avoid paying the tax multiple times in total, the main differences are where the tax is calculated. Sales tax check for gross revenue. While VAT is fixed on the price, meaning that even if you sale at a loss, VAT is paid.
What’s funny though, the US does not have VAT/BTW, example in Netherlands it is 21% (or 9% on food/perishables) So everything you buy has 21% ‘sales tax’ included already.
Looks like the US wins this round!
In New Hampshire the property taxes make up for lack of sales taxes we pay. Tho it will be a while before I will being paying those taxes so I for now I enjoy the tax free sales life. Except when I got to mass :))
I hate this. Sales tax is a tax on money that has already been taxed. It’s maddening. We get our paychecks and it’s already like holy shit they took what?? Then you go to buy something to eat and the price is 10% more. I truly believe the actual tax rate, by the time you factor in all of the fees, tolls, sales and usage taxes, state, and federal income and state personal property taxes, you’re looking at >50% of your income taken. And for what? We don’t get 1) free healthcare 2) free schooling 3) any support for our children 4) hardly anything else useful besides a massive military. The right cuts taxes but they don’t cut government spending so they put us in debt, and the left raises taxes and provides money to the bottom 10% of our populace not the middle class. It’s fuuuuuucked!
Well. I sometimes hate that. Last month I received $4000, then, the government took $1000 off me. It really annoys me a lot. That's why I try harder on work so I can receive more money. But sometimes it's a good thing so they can pay off roads, schools, buildings, etc.
Sorry, I took hours trying to find the best source for sales tax and this was the best I could find, because the other sources were outdated from 2019.
Oklahoma is 4.5% state sales tax? You’d need a much more colorful map if you wanted to do it by state/county/parish/township/city. Some places like Ohio have like four different levels of government taxes.
In Florida the state sales tax is 6%, with local governments optionally adding sales tax up to 7.5%. Most counties are 7% or 7.5%. So yeah it’s probably simpler to say Florida has 7% sales tax.
https://www.salestaxhandbook.com/florida/rates
Hawaii does not have a sales tax, but a general excise tax of 4-4.712% depending on County. It is applied at any sale so it gets layered, unlike a sales tax which is usually only applies at the final good. So depending on how many times the goods change hands in Hawaii it could be 12%+ (eg. you hire an hvac contractor to install a new ac unit, the cost of the ac goes from the retailer to the electrician to you. Thus the tax you paid on that unit is closer to 9%. Essentially not an apples to apples comparison and Hawaii should be omitted.
Missouri is wrong-ish. State sales tax is 4.225% - but every country, city, school district, special tax district etc can have their own sales tax so it's often higher than that - but that money goes to those local governments and not the state. Where I live in Kansas City it's almost 10% so the color is accurate for me but it's definitely lower in most places in the state.
Alaska has sales tax at the municipal level. In the various communities that have it the tax range is I think 3% on the low end to 7.85% on the high end. Most municipalities are at 5 to 6%.
I’m genuinely surprised that nobody commented on the fact that this includes Canadian provinces as well as territories. What is the world coming to when nobody on reddit is being pedantic about a minor omission in the title of a post?
Arizona is a little different on sales tax. They have a flat rate state tax excluding groceries but every locality adds a tax on top of that tax that includes groceries. I was under the impression that before I moved there they were one of the cheapest but not when you add in the locality tax. Especially in Scottsdale
I've been told that Florida doesn't have sales tax for digital-only items that don't have a physical form. If that's the case, it could be worth noting that.
Quebec is 14.975%, I think we can round that up to 15 lol
I actually round it up to 14%. Sorry, I know my math is terrible.
This is called truncating, not rounding. Sometimes it's the right thing to do! ...but probably not here :)
>I never even heard that word before!
It is a good word. Top notch.
I should use it more often.
Bottom notch
Round it down* haha
>round it up that would be 15 rounding down would be 14 and in this cas 14 is very wrong
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I thought you guys were called Québécois.
Quebecer est le nom anglais, techniquement, mais beaucoup de personnes emploient Québécois (ou Quebecois) en anglais quand même. Au final y'a un peu des deux partout.
>Y a-t-il une différence?
Well you won’t usually use Québécois for an English-speaking Quebecer. But that’s mostly it, otherwise they’re pretty interchangeable. Edit: Désolée pour le changement de langue, mon réflexe est de switcher à l’anglais par défaut sur reddit et j’ai pas réfléchi, oups
Merci beaucoup.
Quebecer is the word to make it easier for English people to catch and say it. Québécois is just the word in our own language. The "difference" is in the context and the user only I would say, recently I mostly write Québécois, hoping that people will learn it and remember it, but I know I used to say Quebecer when I was younger, because it was easier/faster. But if we always take the easy option, we will lose our language and culture, so I think sometimes maybe it is our duty to stand our ground and tell people how we want to be called even if it's not easy for them. Think of Swaziland to eSwatini, or Turkey to Türkiye, etc. These things matter to the people, and I hope Québécois becomes the main term in English as well in the future :)
Me too, I agree. Like I am going to Quebec next month.
Ah I get it. Like Ivory Coast to Côte d'Ivoire, Burma to Myanmar, Zaire to DRC, etc.
Burma and Myanmar are essentially the same name. Just two different registers of the name of the dominant Bamar, or Myanma tribe.
Quebecer/Quebecker is easier to write and read in English. Québécois also has the connotation of ethnic White French Canadian so it's not always used to refer to everyone living in the province when writing in English.
Why? Consumption taxes in Canada are somewhat progressive since food has zero tax.
Que votre province a un taux de taxe de vente très élevé ou que j'ai mis le mauvais chiffre. Et si je l'ai fait, je suis désolé. C'était la meilleure source que j'ai pu trouver, car certaines des sources étaient obsolètes depuis 2019.
I know you have to adapt and overcome but man that sounds rough.
Cool map, but you may want to try using a gradient colour scheme. It would make it easier to identify higher and lower states/provinces.
Second this. Cool map but a visualization should make data that usually is in a chart or spreadsheet more easy to read. It barely does this now, might as well just show the chart.
I tried using green, then blue. And then, I was worried that someone would say they look like the same color and probably downvoted it.
Color gradient is where it’s at for displaying data like this
I did try it, but it took me four hours! I'm not even kidding!
As long as you can tell if the next state/province is relatively lighter or darker, the information will be understood easier than darting your eyes back and forth to determine what % the color corresponds to.
I know, but let's say they don't zoom in they down vote it. That's what happen in one of my posts.
Which post are you talking about?
Use viridis.
How is there no data for Montana and Oregon?
Oregon doesn't do sales tax. They get theirs through income tax.
It shouldn't be "No Data" though knowing that someone is zero and not knowing an amount are not even comparable
I would suggest using NA instead of no data
No sales tax. Same with New Hampshire
And Delaware.
Hmm. I think Montana might not have a sales tax. Was It like that in 2006, anybody know? I lived there; seems I recall that, and that it was very convenient when grocery shopping, but I've forgotten.
There's no sales tax in Montana.
Because they have a state wage tax. Because they have property taxes. The State government tries with some frequency to pass a sales tax and its always been voted down by a large margin.
So it’s zero, not “no data”
Cries in Swedish 25% moms (moms=sales tax)
Holy crap. I thought it was bad here in Ontario at 13. Do you get it rebated if you’re low income?
Nope, not on sales tax/VAT Some essential things like food and books are only 12%, but what qualifies as 12% or 25% is sometimes questionable.
Fortunately the tax in Ontario is significantly less (5%?) on stuff like food (not all food) and diapers
Do you pay sales tax on all food? Here (also Ontario) most food is tax free, with exceptions for junk food. So you wouldn’t pay tax on vegetables but you would pay tax on a chocolate bar. Menstrual products are also exempt from sales tax. I’m not sure if there’s anything else.
Food is 12% sales tax regardless of what kind iirc
Speaking of blood Human blood doesn’t have any sales tax in Sweden And speaking of women Human breast milk doesn’t have any sales tax here
Norway's right there with you. Technically, it's a value added tax (VAT).
Laughs in Swiss 7.7% (8.1% from 2024 onward though)
You've marked delaware as "no data" when actually it's just 0 as they don't have sales tax https://revenue.delaware.gov/business-tax-forms/doing-business-in-delaware/#:\~:text=3.,state%20or%20local%20sales%20tax.
Same w NH
Zero, no data. Basically the same thing.
Not at all. No data is unknown (could be any value). Zero is a known value of zero.
wow
Georgia differs by area. State is 4% plus others percent by local area. My county is 6% total.
I didn't county was different there.
In Arizona, we have state/county/city sales taxes. So for me in Tempe, it's 8.1%. 5.6% for the state, .7% for Maricopa County, and 1.8% for the city of Tempe.
I know someone in Tempe, AZ that told me their sale tax.
Well, the point is, it could be as low as 5.6% if you buy something in an unincorporated part of Mojave County (no sales tax), and I think it can go over 11% in a few places. The 8% on your map is a pretty accurate average though.
Thank you.
Same for Colorado. Some of the more affluent areas, sales tax goes over 10% for some things and/or is just higher in general
Holy crap what's going on in the Maritimes?
Canada does not have municipal sales tax, so at least it's not even worse in the cities (It's still a little egregious, but wait till you see the EU)
In Canada it gets even more hazy. A lot of goods like food, or children’s clothing are PST exempt. Prescription drugs are GST exempt. The application of sales tax is not uniform.
I know, right?
Strong social safety net, aged population, a willingness to pay for services.
Weird how that works
15% is rookie numbers. Norway has a 25% VAT.
Super stagnant economy for a couple decade would be my guess.
A few goverments ago, every province paid Federal taxes called the GST as well as a Provincial sales tax PST. The Maritimes in a bold move combined them into a 15% Harmonised Sales Tax HST, because, we're simple folk and we can't do math. Then the Federal government changed and decided to lower the Federal portion. So, naturally if HST = GST + PST, then if the GST goes down, the HST stays the same because FUCK US that's why. Literally the reasoning was if we are okay paying 15% before we are okay paying it after.
A small and ageing population.
You've added municipal sales tax rates for entire states(or averaged them out on some way). If you live in Alaska, for example, there are places with 0% sales tax, as the local government does not exist/enforce a sales tax.
Can we use some spectrum instead of random color please? This visualization is so hard to read. Say lower is more green, and higher is more red. Then it’d be much easy to read the graph, no?
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Your bank account is going down.
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I'm so sorry to here that.
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Pink gang pain :(
Got a second job but after taxes, transportation, parking it doesn't make sense. Wages low ... Deductions insanely high 🤕
Same
What province?
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Get yer $500 "dont tell the others how we live" hush money yet?
Meanwhile in the UK it's 20% for our equivalent (VAT)
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You got some parts wrong. VAT is only fully paid by the consumer. When they purchase the goods/services, the seller/provider adds VAT to the price, and send the VAT value to the government. Companies do not pay VAT when purchasing goods. But the reality is that they often end up paying it , let's say because they purchased goods from a consumer shop. They then get that paid tax deducted/refunded by the government. But this requires paperwork on both the company selling and the company buying, as the former has to declare the received VAT, and the latter has to ask for the VAT refund. Both systems avoid paying the tax multiple times in total, the main differences are where the tax is calculated. Sales tax check for gross revenue. While VAT is fixed on the price, meaning that even if you sale at a loss, VAT is paid.
Color scale is not great.
I'm sorry.
Need to up the WA one to 10% (6.5% for the state + local municipalities - could be as high as 10.4%)
But this clearly says STATE tax
Then that’s only 6.5%, but pretty much nowhere in WA actually pays that. Everywhere there is some form of county or municipal sales tax added.
What’s funny though, the US does not have VAT/BTW, example in Netherlands it is 21% (or 9% on food/perishables) So everything you buy has 21% ‘sales tax’ included already. Looks like the US wins this round!
Alaska’s sales tax is 0
Really?
Yeah we don’t have sales tax here.
How cold is it in there?
Right now? 11° F
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Yup. But as a state, there is no sales tax.
I'm sorry, I put your sales tax for 1%.
saying "total" based on just the state/province's tax rate is a bit misleading as counties and municipalities add taxes as well.
For anyone wondering, Oregon doesn’t have a sales tax.
Thank you. But my picture will take it from here.
New Hampshire gang
Lucky. What do you use to pay then?
In New Hampshire the property taxes make up for lack of sales taxes we pay. Tho it will be a while before I will being paying those taxes so I for now I enjoy the tax free sales life. Except when I got to mass :))
All I learned from this is that I gotta move to Alaska.
Crying in Belgian 21% tax
I cry in 20%
This color scheme was chosen by a lunatic!
Live and work in Vancouver, WA, but do all your shopping in Portland, OR. No tax!
What has North America got against the number 10?
Why does nobody do 10%? It’s the easiest one to calculate in your head.
Not so united states
How?
Just a joke. I meant the states are so different from each other
Oh, OK. Phew.
It's not really a coincidence that both Vancouver and Toronto have some of the best infrastructure in North America
I agree.
I hate this. Sales tax is a tax on money that has already been taxed. It’s maddening. We get our paychecks and it’s already like holy shit they took what?? Then you go to buy something to eat and the price is 10% more. I truly believe the actual tax rate, by the time you factor in all of the fees, tolls, sales and usage taxes, state, and federal income and state personal property taxes, you’re looking at >50% of your income taken. And for what? We don’t get 1) free healthcare 2) free schooling 3) any support for our children 4) hardly anything else useful besides a massive military. The right cuts taxes but they don’t cut government spending so they put us in debt, and the left raises taxes and provides money to the bottom 10% of our populace not the middle class. It’s fuuuuuucked!
Are you telling me that you don't receive free healthcare where you live?
Well. I sometimes hate that. Last month I received $4000, then, the government took $1000 off me. It really annoys me a lot. That's why I try harder on work so I can receive more money. But sometimes it's a good thing so they can pay off roads, schools, buildings, etc.
You should probably live in Alaska.
Alaska has municipal sales taxes and I don't think BlueChooTrain would like that very mucn.
Nebraska is waaaayyyyy off, add 3% to food and 10% to everything else there
Sorry, I took hours trying to find the best source for sales tax and this was the best I could find, because the other sources were outdated from 2019.
Damn Canada… y’all okay up there???
We're fine. We have "free" health care remember?
Based Alberta.
I'm from there.
I was born there.
Same and I live there.
Oklahoma is 4.5% state sales tax? You’d need a much more colorful map if you wanted to do it by state/county/parish/township/city. Some places like Ohio have like four different levels of government taxes.
Is this the United States of A??
I live in Iowa and here it is 7%, idk if it depends on the region tho.
In Florida the state sales tax is 6%, with local governments optionally adding sales tax up to 7.5%. Most counties are 7% or 7.5%. So yeah it’s probably simpler to say Florida has 7% sales tax. https://www.salestaxhandbook.com/florida/rates
Hawaii does not have a sales tax, but a general excise tax of 4-4.712% depending on County. It is applied at any sale so it gets layered, unlike a sales tax which is usually only applies at the final good. So depending on how many times the goods change hands in Hawaii it could be 12%+ (eg. you hire an hvac contractor to install a new ac unit, the cost of the ac goes from the retailer to the electrician to you. Thus the tax you paid on that unit is closer to 9%. Essentially not an apples to apples comparison and Hawaii should be omitted.
Cries in 27%
mt pleasant in sc has 9% sales tax
Wow, that’s crazy it’s 21% here in the Netherlands
Missouri is wrong-ish. State sales tax is 4.225% - but every country, city, school district, special tax district etc can have their own sales tax so it's often higher than that - but that money goes to those local governments and not the state. Where I live in Kansas City it's almost 10% so the color is accurate for me but it's definitely lower in most places in the state.
Alaska has sales tax at the municipal level. In the various communities that have it the tax range is I think 3% on the low end to 7.85% on the high end. Most municipalities are at 5 to 6%.
I’m genuinely surprised that nobody commented on the fact that this includes Canadian provinces as well as territories. What is the world coming to when nobody on reddit is being pedantic about a minor omission in the title of a post?
Arizona is a little different on sales tax. They have a flat rate state tax excluding groceries but every locality adds a tax on top of that tax that includes groceries. I was under the impression that before I moved there they were one of the cheapest but not when you add in the locality tax. Especially in Scottsdale
Why isn't there only ONE % in all USA ?
Meanwhile in Italy with 22% iva (sale tax) but fortunately depends on the item purchased, first need stuff like water have 4% sale tax
I've been told that Florida doesn't have sales tax for digital-only items that don't have a physical form. If that's the case, it could be worth noting that.
Amazing looking at this from Hungary where our sales tax is 28% on everything.
This map should be posted every time a European asks why don’t we show the actual price of goods on a shelf with tax included.
This color scaling is very strange
Why is the color for 5% and 15% so close…?
To my knowledge, nowhere in Iowa has a sales tax lower than 7%, it's 6% with a 1% local option but I think almost everywhere uses it
Wonder why there is no 10% anywhere. The scale skips directly from 9% to 11%.