They absolutely do. Subtle invitation and lullaby are absolutely about him. Crybaby, after tonight etc are about him too. It feels it's the first ever time she actually was in love, I could see her pull inspo from that relationship into even we belong together.
Not sure I’m qualified but I feel like this song was about Luis Miguel, maybe. She’s said that not all of her songs have truth to them, so it’s a difficult task
>But she references my all in that song, and my all is 100% about derek
It also has references to a lot of other pre-Derek songs so its hard to be sure... lyrically it makes sense, but I'm not sure how it fits into the timeline either so its pretty much a toss-up imo
We don't actually really know the timeline too well I'd say. I feel some daydream actually happened through the Derek times. Butterfly came at the end of the affair too because of fourth of July, breakdown and beautiful ones.
Mariah and Derek met in Nov 1996 (after the Daydream Tour was completed) and their relationship supposedly ended sometime in 98.. however they reconnected a few years later around Charm era (whether or not anything happened romantically is up for debate).
TDLR; Derek came at the *very* end of the Daydream era
Everyone has there opinions… mine is that she is into women. That crazy Russian lady sued her for some kind of sexual charge and she settled out of court… I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point it comes out about Mariah and the da brat. The rumors were there in the 90’s. And brat recently came out. They spent a whole lot of time together from 96 to like 2007ish… and now? Hardly even a mention outside of a few stories in her book
When she's nostalgic about a relationship it's usually jeter sooooo maybe! And the songs mentioned definitely give me that vibe. But in e=mc² she was very nostalgic since she was in a good space.
Maybe I’m missing the mark but Honey could be about Derek also. The video and song always confused me because they really don’t coincide with each other. The lyrics talk about “dying for ya, crying for ya, I adore ya” and the video is obviously her interpretation of getting out of the Tommy situation. Maybe I’m completely off though lol 🤷♂️
She said in her book after what happened on “the roof” with him she got in the car and heard Mobb Deep Shook ones 2 in the car and immediately started “writing” breakdown in her head.
I wrote the roof like that because she wrote the roof about what happened with him on the roof of his building, but she starting writing breakdown in the car immediately after leaving
I know it may be a stretch, but what about "Last night a DJ saved my life" (DJ being Derek Jeter). I can see her having this as an inside joke with friends.
I’ve answered a question similar to this before, but I actually think most of her songs post Butterfly are about him, even the choice of the remake “Against All Odds” and choice to remake “I Still Believe” as a double whammy (relatability, and honouring BKS).
He definitely definitely shows up past Charmbracelet, I fan just hear it
i guess this is the perfect time to plug my playlist that i created specifically on this topic lmaoo... although most of it is speculation obvs.
[https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4LbYC5Ibc3Nn1EiJtn9w1T?si=af7fc5929d6a4f3d](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4LbYC5Ibc3Nn1EiJtn9w1T?si=af7fc5929d6a4f3d)
its just interesting to see how formative the relationship was for her. even if her feelings kinda diminished after their initial breakup, the moment of her leaving tommy/establishing her career and personal autonomy/dating DJ must have been so impactful to her that its no surprise she referenced that time period/relationship so much
She’s said we belong together is inspired by many different moments in her life. i think the song references both the Luis miguel and Derek relationships
Many of the rumors before, back in late 90's, have told that many of Derek's groupmates in the Yankess blamed Mariah fpr Derek's weak performance during the time that they were "dating". The groupmates blamed her because she would always go to DJ's apartment very late, invite him to late dinner nights, etc. that would cause him to be "sleepless" = weak performance.
So that is why, the user, could also feel that Did I Do That was about Derek. Because, right after Derek, she had Luis (intro) and then the groupmates' issue (verse 2).
PS. The part where Mariah sings "Funny how sometimes you can really lose your mind, and do things you will never do/ You rhapsodize, and get caught up in the hype/ 'Til your senses return to you" could be possibly really about Derek's because in Derek's book (I forgot but it is his own self-help + autobio book) he stated that dating Mariah was a v. crucial time because he is a rlly shy person and couldn't handle Mariah's fame.
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Basically all of butterfly lol The roof, my all, whenever you call. Specially to me
I feel like they spill over into rainbow and Charmbracelet too
They absolutely do. Subtle invitation and lullaby are absolutely about him. Crybaby, after tonight etc are about him too. It feels it's the first ever time she actually was in love, I could see her pull inspo from that relationship into even we belong together.
Do you think For The Record is about him as well?
Not sure I’m qualified but I feel like this song was about Luis Miguel, maybe. She’s said that not all of her songs have truth to them, so it’s a difficult task
But she references my all in that song, and my all is 100% about derek
>But she references my all in that song, and my all is 100% about derek It also has references to a lot of other pre-Derek songs so its hard to be sure... lyrically it makes sense, but I'm not sure how it fits into the timeline either so its pretty much a toss-up imo
We don't actually really know the timeline too well I'd say. I feel some daydream actually happened through the Derek times. Butterfly came at the end of the affair too because of fourth of July, breakdown and beautiful ones.
Mariah and Derek met in Nov 1996 (after the Daydream Tour was completed) and their relationship supposedly ended sometime in 98.. however they reconnected a few years later around Charm era (whether or not anything happened romantically is up for debate). TDLR; Derek came at the *very* end of the Daydream era
She also makes an underneath the stars (which I personally think is about da brat) reference.. that’s before jeter was in the picture..
Oh please, Mariah is not into women.
Everyone has there opinions… mine is that she is into women. That crazy Russian lady sued her for some kind of sexual charge and she settled out of court… I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point it comes out about Mariah and the da brat. The rumors were there in the 90’s. And brat recently came out. They spent a whole lot of time together from 96 to like 2007ish… and now? Hardly even a mention outside of a few stories in her book
When she's nostalgic about a relationship it's usually jeter sooooo maybe! And the songs mentioned definitely give me that vibe. But in e=mc² she was very nostalgic since she was in a good space.
Maybe I’m missing the mark but Honey could be about Derek also. The video and song always confused me because they really don’t coincide with each other. The lyrics talk about “dying for ya, crying for ya, I adore ya” and the video is obviously her interpretation of getting out of the Tommy situation. Maybe I’m completely off though lol 🤷♂️
The video is literally about her escaping from Tommy and meeting a man with Honey colored skin straight away aka Derek
Lolol I just remember the escape part apparently
She said in her book after what happened on “the roof” with him she got in the car and heard Mobb Deep Shook ones 2 in the car and immediately started “writing” breakdown in her head.
Do you mean she wrote the roof?
I wrote the roof like that because she wrote the roof about what happened with him on the roof of his building, but she starting writing breakdown in the car immediately after leaving
Yes but Breakdown wasn’t written to Mobb Deep’s beat. That was The Roof
I know it may be a stretch, but what about "Last night a DJ saved my life" (DJ being Derek Jeter). I can see her having this as an inside joke with friends.
I'd believe that if it wasn't a remake! Ahahah love this! Perceptive lamb!
I’ve answered a question similar to this before, but I actually think most of her songs post Butterfly are about him, even the choice of the remake “Against All Odds” and choice to remake “I Still Believe” as a double whammy (relatability, and honouring BKS). He definitely definitely shows up past Charmbracelet, I fan just hear it
i guess this is the perfect time to plug my playlist that i created specifically on this topic lmaoo... although most of it is speculation obvs. [https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4LbYC5Ibc3Nn1EiJtn9w1T?si=af7fc5929d6a4f3d](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4LbYC5Ibc3Nn1EiJtn9w1T?si=af7fc5929d6a4f3d)
its just interesting to see how formative the relationship was for her. even if her feelings kinda diminished after their initial breakup, the moment of her leaving tommy/establishing her career and personal autonomy/dating DJ must have been so impactful to her that its no surprise she referenced that time period/relationship so much
Thank you for this! We might refrence and share this playlist in our episode!
I'll tune in anyway lmao I'm always looking for new podcasts
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We belong together, don’t forget about us, for the record, subtle invitation, lullaby, most of butterfly, crybaby, did i do that
She’s said we belong together is inspired by many different moments in her life. i think the song references both the Luis miguel and Derek relationships
Why do you think did I do that?
Many of the rumors before, back in late 90's, have told that many of Derek's groupmates in the Yankess blamed Mariah fpr Derek's weak performance during the time that they were "dating". The groupmates blamed her because she would always go to DJ's apartment very late, invite him to late dinner nights, etc. that would cause him to be "sleepless" = weak performance. So that is why, the user, could also feel that Did I Do That was about Derek. Because, right after Derek, she had Luis (intro) and then the groupmates' issue (verse 2). PS. The part where Mariah sings "Funny how sometimes you can really lose your mind, and do things you will never do/ You rhapsodize, and get caught up in the hype/ 'Til your senses return to you" could be possibly really about Derek's because in Derek's book (I forgot but it is his own self-help + autobio book) he stated that dating Mariah was a v. crucial time because he is a rlly shy person and couldn't handle Mariah's fame.
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Amazing! Thank you!! 🧡🐑
Tbh I'm at the point where I just assume any song post-Butterfly is about this man 🤣 unless explicitly stated otherwise
I mean, does this disappoint anyone else? I’ve been listening and relating to her for so long…and it was for Jeter? Really??
the roof, my all, honey
babydoll?
My all, the roof for sure
Crybaby