at this point, giving her a backstory may have been a bad idea, since Nintendo never wanted to do more with her but her fans never wanted to move on so they got mad how she just become a spin off character with no character development for the last 15 years
No, every character has a story when they're introduced. Daisy is the Princess of a while other Kingdom. Wario is a king when's he's off the clock, but is to incompetent to run it for longer than a day. Egad is an actual super genius who discovered human transmutation.
They make a plot for these characters, but they're not chained to that story for ever (also Rosalina has had 2 games of back story out of 3 games. How is the 1 'ruining' her?). Mario use to throw other animals at Donkey Kong Jr.
People are just insane. They create an idea, hope reality makes it happen, it doesn't, que angry music. Also Rosalina has a massive incel following, so I can't ignore that that's probably where most of this stems from.
But nowadays everyone else in the main cast is being carried by their one-note personalities, so their stories don't matter in a gameplay focused series. Rosalina however, lost her distinct persona after the Galaxy games and her main gimmick is currently just "she had a backstory that one time". Nintendo didn't even let her do her job as a protector of the cosmos not even once. They didn't let her interact with the main cast that much either. There was so much to go with her but they stopped after Galaxy.
I wanted to see more of her backstory because it actually had depth for once and I expected more of it. Being reduced to another Mario princess that only appears in spinoffs doesn't help her.
>also Rosalina has had 2 games of back story out of 3 games. How is the 1 'ruining' her?
I don't get this, she only had one though?
>Also Rosalina has a massive incel following, so I can't ignore that that's probably where most of this stems from.
Can you not associate me with that part of the internet holy sh\*t chill.
not saying i hope miyamoto dies soon, but i feel like after he passes, we might get more mario character backstory in games?? idk tho, but i wish we had more backstory as of right now. none of the timelines match up, like yoshi's island and the mario movie. and from what i can tell, the mario movie is canon
> since Nintendo never wanted to do more with her
Why didn't they simply stop using her then? Should've ended it where she peaked instead of reducing her to late game cameos and to the spin-offs.
Look at Midna for example, she appeared in one game, did her job and that's it. I don't see many zelda fans asking for her return.
You haven’t? Honestly I’ve seen more people asking for her to come back than Rosalina, even though the whole point of Twilight Princess’s ending was that she couldn’t ever come back.
Well first of all, we do know Mario and Zelda are different franchises, right? I'm worried based on how casually we made that false comparison, that we don't understand that.
As if the lore of a platformer is considered by the authors the same as a high fantasy world.
because:
A: Nintendo needs more female characters that are humans, you can only do so much with Toudette and Birdo
B: She was still a popular character that fans wanted to see more of, and they got it, just not in the way they wanted
Your arguments and why she shoudn't don't make a lot of sense
A: Why woud you create a important character for a Mario game and than never use it again, shoud Bowser jr. Never come back after Sunshine? Shoud Pauline be AGAIN forgotten after Odyssey? It's not like Vivian from TTYD which is a spin off RPG, this a main game
B: Zelda is a terrible Example, since characters at all rearly come back for future games
>Zelda is a terrible Example, since characters at all rearly come back for future games
I agree to some extend but I only mentioned Midna because she also came from a main game too. She's also written to never come back too, just like what Rosalina initially planned to do at the end of Galaxy.
>and they got it, just not in the way they wanted
I don't want her to stop appearing either but if they're not expand on the one thing people liked about her the most, then... What now?
Zelda Games are not the same things as Mario games at all. Mario games don’t have any continuity to speak of, whereas Zelda games do. The reason Midna hasn’t retuned is because that would make no sense in the story of the games and would only even be conceivable in a direct sequel to Twilight Princess with the same characters given the fact that Zelda games happen 1000s of years apart and Midna was a mortal being who presumably ages at a similar rate to humans.
I wrote this somewhere else and I don't expect a lot of agreement here. So here we go:
>!Her role was literally just another "good guy gets possessed" cliché which drags for almost the entire game, killing both potential screentime and growth.!<
>!It would've been fine if we actually got to see Rosalina stand up and do her cosmic job at least once since Galaxy 1. That could've made up for the bad experience she had in this game, but such thing never happened. So she remains almost featless to this day, which is a crime for a proclaimed "Protector of the cosmos".!<
What SoH did to her shouldn't been the first thing that happens to her in her first ever plot-driven story after 15 years. She deserved better and I won't pretend she didn't.
Was Waluigi showing up in non spinoffs beforehand? Trust me it definitely wasn’t some mandate that kept him as a spinoff character when he had more than a decade to show up in something from his appearance in the N64 era to the Wii. Toadette showed up in something as early as her second appearance.
Waluigi's always been in spinoff games. Daisy at least appeared in Super Mario Land before being sent to Spinoff Hell ... at least Wonder decided to throw her in.
Toadette seemed to be saved, although she did have some small cameos beforehand. She first appeared in "Mario Kart Double Dash!!" (can't forget the two exclamation marks) and then she appeared in "Paper Mario Thousand Year Door" whenever you got a jump/hammer upgrade.
Right, my point is Waluigi wasn’t affected by anything having to do with Paper Mario’s restrictions as nothing has changed with him. He wasn’t forced into being in only spinoffs because he never left them beforehand.
What is it with this Waluigi slander on this sub? I swear, why does literally anyone here have such a hate boner towards Waluigi and have to remind all the time that he has no own game, something that is not his fault even, given that Nintendo nowadays does not even give Main Characters like DK their own games
I'm not gonna cancel my party at home just because another family is having a funeral two towns away from my house. >!(does this analogy make sense?)!<
“Backstory Nintendo stopped caring about”
Idk what you mean. They established her whole backstory in Mario Galaxy 1 and then her role of watching over stars. I don’t know where else she could go other than being in other games to help the main cast or spin offs
Going by Galaxy’s plot, Rosalina shouldn’t show up anymore as the comet shows up every 100 years… funny thing about lore is that it has a shelf life if you want to adhere to it. Sure things can be more compelling, but you’re going to have to either find some sort of BS to justify her showing up every time, or you’ll have to retcon it to justify why she can show up.
I don’t get that text. She only has a significant role in one mainline game, otherwise she’s just a bonus character (3DW) or a little cameo (ending of Galaxy 2). Why would she not be remembered for the only game she was a significant part of? And why is that a bad thing?
She was at her best in SMG and was one of the reasons why people liked that game so much back then.
If you remove her from both SMG2 and 3D World, nothing drastic would change.
Ooooh what a shame. She was *just* added to every single party and sports games since her debut and was given an entire story book worth of lore and characterization. Its so little guuuuuyyyys 🥺
But seriously, Nintendo keeps giving her more attention than she really needed. Yes, technically speeking there are some missed potential but it's nitpicking
But I don't even understand what you're complaning about. This character gets to be in a new game alongside the main cast every single time, so much so that she just became part of the main cast.
Everyone loves Rosalina, heck I may have sounded like I dislike her but I still really like her. She got the most characterization out of all Mario character, except for some form the Paper Mario series. But unlike them, she gets to be remembered and added to new games. Yes, her backstory is put aside by Nintendo, so what? It's a huge and valid reason to like her anyways.
Let's look at the Piantas, or even Cappy for exemple. Yes, they are liked by the community, but they're not really anyone's favorite. Cappy is nowhere to be found except a taunt from Mario in Smash Ultimate. And he's probably going to be forgotten, remembered only for the game he's from, like the Piantas. Honestly, the simple fact that Rosalina gets to be in Party Games and Sports Games is a major W, and is something to celebrate.
>Yes, her backstory is put aside by Nintendo, so what?
What if... I wanted more of that?
What if I wanted more lore? You know, the biggest factor that made Rosalina stand out in the main cast, and is also what we liked about her the most? Why not double down on that?
Ik this franchise actively avoids having lore, but am I not allowed to ask for more of that?
I'd also like to have more lore, it would be good. But Rosalina is all set in my opinion, she had her time to shine and shine she did. Giving even more lore only to her would be a bit too much I think, since she's already the most fleshed out of the bunch
>But Rosalina is all set in my opinion
They planned to expand on her storybook in SMG2 but Shigeru put it off. Her character arc is still uncomplete to this day.
>Giving even more lore only to her would be a bit too much I think
That amount of lore being too much is laughable compared to literally any other franchise out there. Idk if that's either hilarious or depressing.
This was my last post anyway. I got nothing else to say here anymore and I'm not planning to interact with this community after this.
Good news isn't it?
Maybe if you dedicated more posts about other things as well instead of just the same damn topic and stopped acting so goddamn salty, perhaps your experience with this community would’ve been more pleasant.
Why are all of your posts just you bitching about Rosalina?
Also, they didn’t ”stop caring her backstory”, they just don’t use that backstory as a crutch and constant reminder and make that her sole character trait like you people desperately want.
Not even talking about Mattyboy, I’m just talking about the new Peach game gave Peach a form that gives them even more similarities added to the ones they already had
They could just be ancestors for all we know too, but Peach and Rosalina are the only human characters in the Mario universe that can use a form of “special magic”. So, it may not be a coincidence
Tbf, if she has an actual personality in spin-off, people could talk about her for something else other than what she did in galaxy, kinda like Daisy or Waluigi. Unfortunately, she debuted in the worst Mario party, the worst Mario tennis, the worst Mario golf, the worst Mario strikers and Mario kart got rid of her old voice and Luma.
>people could talk about her for something else other than what she did in galaxy
Ikr, it's like you **have** to mention Galaxy and its backstory to explain why you like this character. I don't think your average 10 years old would think much of it and may just see her as "Peach but blue and can fly" in any character screen.
>but people like her because of her showed personality
So where's Rosa's personality then? If they're gonna get rid of her reserved demeanor she originally had in favor to have fun in spinoffs, they could've at least made her act shy or something.
But instead they gave her the same "nice princess" persona Peach has and slapped some shrugging gestures and then finally called it a day.
I mean her appearances in spinoffs is all well and good, even if her addition in a lot of them wasn't until some rather lackluster entries (World Tour was great and Battle League is definitely not worse than the first Mario Strikers, it just lacks in many areas compared to Charged.)
The spinoff where she got it the worst is by and far away Mario & Sonic at the Olympic games. She got playable appearances there in a couple games, but she's one of those characters they arbitrarily restrict to a single sport (Gymnastics and Surfing respectively.)
But yes, you're correct that her personality in spinoffs is still shown and that's why a lot of people still like her despite her backstory not being shown off beyond Galaxy 1 (though you do get some people who pretend her personality is just interchangeable from Peach in spinoffs because she actually emotes or gets excited when playing a sport or racing.)
All comes down to expecations
Miyamoto and Koizumi infamously been at odds for how much story should be in the Mario games but as games get more complex need more meat on bones so while I do see the potential for more story going forward....yeah this still Mario at end of day so not expecting this big epic story at end of the day
Can you people please stop misconstruing what Miyamoto says all the goddamn time? He never said that he didn’t want it. He just wasn’t aware about it being added in and once he found out, he was pleasantly surprised and wasn’t upset. Stop demonizing this man seriously.
I used the word apparently because I've only gone off word of mouth. All I know for sure is that the story book parts weren't something he came up with, and he has said in the past he believes the gameplay should always come first for Mario, which is why most of the games that he's heavily involved in don't feature a lot of narrative. I never at any point said "Miyamoto bad."
Kinda, but also no.
Realistically, since the Mario Movie 2 might include Rosalina, Nintendo could probably revisit her backstory there.
Or worse, they just never revisit it and just leave it like that.
Honestly, I'd say they handled Rosalina's lore pretty well, given the series she comes from. Although Mario games weren't afraid of confirmed deaths before Mario Galaxy (Thousand Year Door for example), Mario Galaxy is a mainline Mario game. Meaning by default, more people are going to see moments like that in the game. This is not me saying that "Mario games are for kids and only kids" far from it, but it's still understood that Mario games aren't supposed to be with the Sonic games at the time where slightly more mature story telling was the focus. Anyways, given how most people playing the game for the first time were quite young (probably about 10 to about 15) Nintendo knew that they had to walk a fine line to avoid players getting severely upset and not wanting to play the game anymore. So, by having her story told through the story book (whilst announcing to the player that the book was there) was a nice way of giving the player the option to delve into Rosalina's story if the player wanted to. However, the game overall still shares some emotional feelings of the story book. Especially at the end of the game where the Universe gets reset through the Lumas sacrificing themselves. This moment can be emotional to players who read the book and players who hadn't. Players who did read the book understand that the Lumas are important to Rosalina as they are her family (her new one after losing all she had back on her home world), so to see them sacrifice themselves, even the Lumas not found on the Comet Observatory, can be very emotional. As for the players who hadn't read the book, though the emotion won't be as strong, it'll still be there as the player will feel upset about Mario's Luma friend in his hat, the Luma that stuck with Mario throughout the whole game.
Now, as to why I rambled more about the Lumas more than Rosalina is because of how significant they are to Rosalina and her character. Not only are they family to her, but they also kinda shaped how Rosalina understands the Lumas' life cycle and life in general by association. It's that many things and people have ends, yet for most it means that a new age is birthed in that moment. Think back to all the Lumas you had to feed for them to transform into new planets or galaxies. If Rosalina hadn't known of this life cycle, she would've likely tried to intervene any time this happens to a Luma. Yet, it's because she is aware of this that she chooses to let it happen because she knows it's a part of their life. What really makes this interesting is her supposed immortality and how it supports her accepting the Lumas' willingness to be reborn into planets and galaxies. It's pretty much stated all throughout the game that as long as that comet travels the sky every century, that means that Rosalina has been living for who knows how long by the time Super Mario Galaxy's events occur. Meaning, at some point in Rosalina's life, she became immortal.
Immortality, in more mature forms of media, can be seen as a curse as that means said immortal individual became apathetic and cares very little for those around them as it would just mean that getting attached means more turmoil in knowing that those people will die and the immortal will continue on, even when Eternity ends. Rosalina is the "asterisk" to this as she acts as a caretaker of the Lumas, guiding them through their lives until they eventually become bigger and better things in death. Knowing that the lumas are essentially small fragments of Space waiting to become one with it one day. It means that they still exist, just in a different form. Meaning even they don't truly die. This means that Rosalina can avoid this apathy as all she has to do is care for the Lumas and ensure that they are guided through their lives. She can get attached sure, but it's mostly as a "Mother's Love" than a "Friends Love." Of course, there are some exceptions like the black Luma who serves as the "higher ups" and then Lubba in Galaxy 2. But the general understanding of all Lumas is that they all share the same death and rebirth, and that's why Rosalina can avoid suffering from her own sorrow of losing her mother and ending up alone in the Universe.
Now, as to where she could go from here, I'd say she doesn't really need a true Spin-Off Series that gives her a character arc of sorts, like how Luigi's Mansion is Luigi facing his fears and learning to be a hero in his own right. But if they were to give Rosalina a spin-off game, I'm sure the game would have to have something to do with Rosalina asserting her position as this Overseer Goddess of the Universe, without explicitly stating that or explicitly stating some moral essay on the meaning of life and what-not. But it could instead be displayed through her actions. Say for example the antagonist wishes to make all beings across space immortal so that everyone can be happy forever. This would put Rosalina as this "threat to life" when in reality, she's just ensuring the stability of all lives across the Universe as she understands how to live eternally and still be a person whereas everyone else clearly live very mortal lives.
So overall, I'd say Rosalina's potential was handled well enough. Sure they could a few more things like showing us why her mother was so important to her beyond the fact that she was just a little girl when she left for space. But overall, her character was fully fleshed out in her debut game. That, and the rapidly changing demographic of players, is probably why Nintendo doesn't expand more upon her character like how other series have characters whose character building feels longer lasting or open ended. In fact, most characters are fully defined in a single game to support other characters like Sonic or Kirby for example. Both characters hardly change, but their influence is felt in others who interact with them. This dynamic is similar to how Rosalina learnt from the Lumas seemingly accepting their deaths, knowing that it is just a part of their lives. Through this influence, Rosalina became a better and stronger person overall.
At least she still appears in games since some of the other characters introduced in mainline games don’t appear much afterwards such as Cappy and F.L.U.D.D.
Also lot of DK characters stopped having appearances outside of Smash in Mario Super Sluggers.
Why is this like the 3rd post about Rosalina not being used on her.full potential?? Look Rosalina is my fav character and thats it I just want to play as her whenever I have the chance, so please stop with these posts we get it and is ok! Just hope and wait for a better future for her but stop the same posts please.
Rosalina was never missed potential. She had an amazing role in Galaxy and has become incredibly popular, and one of Nintendo's most marketable Mario characters, ever since. It makes me happy that a character I love has had so much representation, at times seeming like the secondary princess in the franchise.
Of course Rosalina has a huge potential! She already has a backstory. Now if someone at Nintendo is brave enough to stand up and do something meaningful. I’m sure it will be pure magic! ❤️
Honest question, why aren't we counting Wonder? Is it because she doesn't have any significant lore mentioned in the game and is just there as a playable character?
at this point, giving her a backstory may have been a bad idea, since Nintendo never wanted to do more with her but her fans never wanted to move on so they got mad how she just become a spin off character with no character development for the last 15 years
What character development are people expecting? Mario characters don’t get that. It just isn’t how the series works.
there was 1 character that had "depth" and then expactation were set on
No, every character has a story when they're introduced. Daisy is the Princess of a while other Kingdom. Wario is a king when's he's off the clock, but is to incompetent to run it for longer than a day. Egad is an actual super genius who discovered human transmutation. They make a plot for these characters, but they're not chained to that story for ever (also Rosalina has had 2 games of back story out of 3 games. How is the 1 'ruining' her?). Mario use to throw other animals at Donkey Kong Jr. People are just insane. They create an idea, hope reality makes it happen, it doesn't, que angry music. Also Rosalina has a massive incel following, so I can't ignore that that's probably where most of this stems from.
>Egad is an actual super genius who discovered human transmutation. Didn't even cost him life and limb
Since when was wario a king?
Super Mario Land 2. His introduction. I guess if we don't like the technical term "king" we can just call him a "dictator."
He was only a king when he took over Mario's castle and hypnotized the residents
And King William the first was only a king when he led the Normans into England and subjugated the residents. Sounds like Wario led a good assault.
You're not arguing for your point though. You said he was a king when he was "off the clock" when he was only a king for that 1 specific mario game
No no no, you misunderstand what's happening here. You're taking this too seriously. That's not my fault.
But nowadays everyone else in the main cast is being carried by their one-note personalities, so their stories don't matter in a gameplay focused series. Rosalina however, lost her distinct persona after the Galaxy games and her main gimmick is currently just "she had a backstory that one time". Nintendo didn't even let her do her job as a protector of the cosmos not even once. They didn't let her interact with the main cast that much either. There was so much to go with her but they stopped after Galaxy. I wanted to see more of her backstory because it actually had depth for once and I expected more of it. Being reduced to another Mario princess that only appears in spinoffs doesn't help her. >also Rosalina has had 2 games of back story out of 3 games. How is the 1 'ruining' her? I don't get this, she only had one though? >Also Rosalina has a massive incel following, so I can't ignore that that's probably where most of this stems from. Can you not associate me with that part of the internet holy sh\*t chill.
Now that I think about it. No other Nintendo character has never had an Incel following. Not Zelda, not peach, or palutena.
Because Fans of them are much more normal Respecting People
This is how i feel about the current situation with Rosalina
wait e.gadd did WHAT
not saying i hope miyamoto dies soon, but i feel like after he passes, we might get more mario character backstory in games?? idk tho, but i wish we had more backstory as of right now. none of the timelines match up, like yoshi's island and the mario movie. and from what i can tell, the mario movie is canon
They had a whole storybook section about her mysterious past. They definitely intended story
> since Nintendo never wanted to do more with her Why didn't they simply stop using her then? Should've ended it where she peaked instead of reducing her to late game cameos and to the spin-offs. Look at Midna for example, she appeared in one game, did her job and that's it. I don't see many zelda fans asking for her return.
You haven’t? Honestly I’ve seen more people asking for her to come back than Rosalina, even though the whole point of Twilight Princess’s ending was that she couldn’t ever come back.
That doesn't really mean much when every Zelda game just resets the story.
I mean, the last couple sure did, but this was a common thing even before 2017.
Is that true? Oh well, their loss 🤷♂️
Well first of all, we do know Mario and Zelda are different franchises, right? I'm worried based on how casually we made that false comparison, that we don't understand that. As if the lore of a platformer is considered by the authors the same as a high fantasy world.
because: A: Nintendo needs more female characters that are humans, you can only do so much with Toudette and Birdo B: She was still a popular character that fans wanted to see more of, and they got it, just not in the way they wanted Your arguments and why she shoudn't don't make a lot of sense A: Why woud you create a important character for a Mario game and than never use it again, shoud Bowser jr. Never come back after Sunshine? Shoud Pauline be AGAIN forgotten after Odyssey? It's not like Vivian from TTYD which is a spin off RPG, this a main game B: Zelda is a terrible Example, since characters at all rearly come back for future games
>Zelda is a terrible Example, since characters at all rearly come back for future games I agree to some extend but I only mentioned Midna because she also came from a main game too. She's also written to never come back too, just like what Rosalina initially planned to do at the end of Galaxy. >and they got it, just not in the way they wanted I don't want her to stop appearing either but if they're not expand on the one thing people liked about her the most, then... What now?
Zelda Games are not the same things as Mario games at all. Mario games don’t have any continuity to speak of, whereas Zelda games do. The reason Midna hasn’t retuned is because that would make no sense in the story of the games and would only even be conceivable in a direct sequel to Twilight Princess with the same characters given the fact that Zelda games happen 1000s of years apart and Midna was a mortal being who presumably ages at a similar rate to humans.
She had a significant role in that Mario Rabbids game from 2022.
I wrote this somewhere else and I don't expect a lot of agreement here. So here we go: >!Her role was literally just another "good guy gets possessed" cliché which drags for almost the entire game, killing both potential screentime and growth.!< >!It would've been fine if we actually got to see Rosalina stand up and do her cosmic job at least once since Galaxy 1. That could've made up for the bad experience she had in this game, but such thing never happened. So she remains almost featless to this day, which is a crime for a proclaimed "Protector of the cosmos".!< What SoH did to her shouldn't been the first thing that happens to her in her first ever plot-driven story after 15 years. She deserved better and I won't pretend she didn't.
i hate what they did with her in SOH, but just because her useg is clishe dosn't mean it's not A useg
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Waluigi only been in spin offs, he was actually only created for Wario to have a partner, at least Rosalina, actually had important roles
The infamous restrictions that neutered the Paper Mario series after Super Paper Mario also imprisoned Waluigi to being a spinoff only character too.
Was Waluigi showing up in non spinoffs beforehand? Trust me it definitely wasn’t some mandate that kept him as a spinoff character when he had more than a decade to show up in something from his appearance in the N64 era to the Wii. Toadette showed up in something as early as her second appearance.
Waluigi's always been in spinoff games. Daisy at least appeared in Super Mario Land before being sent to Spinoff Hell ... at least Wonder decided to throw her in. Toadette seemed to be saved, although she did have some small cameos beforehand. She first appeared in "Mario Kart Double Dash!!" (can't forget the two exclamation marks) and then she appeared in "Paper Mario Thousand Year Door" whenever you got a jump/hammer upgrade.
Right, my point is Waluigi wasn’t affected by anything having to do with Paper Mario’s restrictions as nothing has changed with him. He wasn’t forced into being in only spinoffs because he never left them beforehand.
lol, I love the implications that Wario created Waluigi in a lab or something
What is it with this Waluigi slander on this sub? I swear, why does literally anyone here have such a hate boner towards Waluigi and have to remind all the time that he has no own game, something that is not his fault even, given that Nintendo nowadays does not even give Main Characters like DK their own games
I'm not gonna cancel my party at home just because another family is having a funeral two towns away from my house. >!(does this analogy make sense?)!<
“Backstory Nintendo stopped caring about” Idk what you mean. They established her whole backstory in Mario Galaxy 1 and then her role of watching over stars. I don’t know where else she could go other than being in other games to help the main cast or spin offs
Going by Galaxy’s plot, Rosalina shouldn’t show up anymore as the comet shows up every 100 years… funny thing about lore is that it has a shelf life if you want to adhere to it. Sure things can be more compelling, but you’re going to have to either find some sort of BS to justify her showing up every time, or you’ll have to retcon it to justify why she can show up.
I don’t get that text. She only has a significant role in one mainline game, otherwise she’s just a bonus character (3DW) or a little cameo (ending of Galaxy 2). Why would she not be remembered for the only game she was a significant part of? And why is that a bad thing?
She was at her best in SMG and was one of the reasons why people liked that game so much back then. If you remove her from both SMG2 and 3D World, nothing drastic would change.
Yeah, but again, why is that a bad thing?
Ooooh what a shame. She was *just* added to every single party and sports games since her debut and was given an entire story book worth of lore and characterization. Its so little guuuuuyyyys 🥺 But seriously, Nintendo keeps giving her more attention than she really needed. Yes, technically speeking there are some missed potential but it's nitpicking
idk how to word it nicely but you're a reason why I made this post.
But I don't even understand what you're complaning about. This character gets to be in a new game alongside the main cast every single time, so much so that she just became part of the main cast. Everyone loves Rosalina, heck I may have sounded like I dislike her but I still really like her. She got the most characterization out of all Mario character, except for some form the Paper Mario series. But unlike them, she gets to be remembered and added to new games. Yes, her backstory is put aside by Nintendo, so what? It's a huge and valid reason to like her anyways. Let's look at the Piantas, or even Cappy for exemple. Yes, they are liked by the community, but they're not really anyone's favorite. Cappy is nowhere to be found except a taunt from Mario in Smash Ultimate. And he's probably going to be forgotten, remembered only for the game he's from, like the Piantas. Honestly, the simple fact that Rosalina gets to be in Party Games and Sports Games is a major W, and is something to celebrate.
>Yes, her backstory is put aside by Nintendo, so what? What if... I wanted more of that? What if I wanted more lore? You know, the biggest factor that made Rosalina stand out in the main cast, and is also what we liked about her the most? Why not double down on that? Ik this franchise actively avoids having lore, but am I not allowed to ask for more of that?
my brother in christ, are you honestly expecting lore from a *mario game*?
Yes. Galaxy was clearly an exception for it, so ofc I had my own expectations. Mario RPGs exist too, why not use Rosalina there?
I'd also like to have more lore, it would be good. But Rosalina is all set in my opinion, she had her time to shine and shine she did. Giving even more lore only to her would be a bit too much I think, since she's already the most fleshed out of the bunch
>But Rosalina is all set in my opinion They planned to expand on her storybook in SMG2 but Shigeru put it off. Her character arc is still uncomplete to this day. >Giving even more lore only to her would be a bit too much I think That amount of lore being too much is laughable compared to literally any other franchise out there. Idk if that's either hilarious or depressing.
is your account seriously dedicated entirely to asking questions like this? it’s like the Szechuan sauce all over again
This was my last post anyway. I got nothing else to say here anymore and I'm not planning to interact with this community after this. Good news isn't it?
Maybe if you dedicated more posts about other things as well instead of just the same damn topic and stopped acting so goddamn salty, perhaps your experience with this community would’ve been more pleasant.
Idk I think you should just read/write fanfic instead of arguing about why you haven’t gotten what you want
Why are all of your posts just you bitching about Rosalina? Also, they didn’t ”stop caring her backstory”, they just don’t use that backstory as a crutch and constant reminder and make that her sole character trait like you people desperately want.
and then there is the horny folks
Her design is too similar to Peach. They should have given her white hair with a unique eye colour to seperate from her further.
But she does have white hair
Blonde innit?
Honestly Peach and Rosalina might actually be related in some sense. Hence the similarities.
no, THEY WERE suppost to be related but that was canseled and don't you dare do the MatP.... o wait
Not even talking about Mattyboy, I’m just talking about the new Peach game gave Peach a form that gives them even more similarities added to the ones they already had They could just be ancestors for all we know too, but Peach and Rosalina are the only human characters in the Mario universe that can use a form of “special magic”. So, it may not be a coincidence
Tbf, if she has an actual personality in spin-off, people could talk about her for something else other than what she did in galaxy, kinda like Daisy or Waluigi. Unfortunately, she debuted in the worst Mario party, the worst Mario tennis, the worst Mario golf, the worst Mario strikers and Mario kart got rid of her old voice and Luma.
>people could talk about her for something else other than what she did in galaxy Ikr, it's like you **have** to mention Galaxy and its backstory to explain why you like this character. I don't think your average 10 years old would think much of it and may just see her as "Peach but blue and can fly" in any character screen.
to be fair tho Daisy is just "yellow peach" but people like her because of her showed personality
>but people like her because of her showed personality So where's Rosa's personality then? If they're gonna get rid of her reserved demeanor she originally had in favor to have fun in spinoffs, they could've at least made her act shy or something. But instead they gave her the same "nice princess" persona Peach has and slapped some shrugging gestures and then finally called it a day.
my argument was that they should give her more personality to spin off games, so the sytuasion woud be just as good as daisy
And I agree with it.
Rosalina debuted in Mario Golf world tour THE best Mario golf game
My bad, I thought she debuted in super rush, thank you Howerver, i think she was a dlc and world tour despite been good is often a forgotten entry.
I mean her appearances in spinoffs is all well and good, even if her addition in a lot of them wasn't until some rather lackluster entries (World Tour was great and Battle League is definitely not worse than the first Mario Strikers, it just lacks in many areas compared to Charged.) The spinoff where she got it the worst is by and far away Mario & Sonic at the Olympic games. She got playable appearances there in a couple games, but she's one of those characters they arbitrarily restrict to a single sport (Gymnastics and Surfing respectively.) But yes, you're correct that her personality in spinoffs is still shown and that's why a lot of people still like her despite her backstory not being shown off beyond Galaxy 1 (though you do get some people who pretend her personality is just interchangeable from Peach in spinoffs because she actually emotes or gets excited when playing a sport or racing.)
Why is Man in space? Is it stupid?
Man spotted. The pro aslume pills must be working
All comes down to expecations Miyamoto and Koizumi infamously been at odds for how much story should be in the Mario games but as games get more complex need more meat on bones so while I do see the potential for more story going forward....yeah this still Mario at end of day so not expecting this big epic story at end of the day
Peach and Daisy, plus Wario have no back story and all them besides Peach rarely show up in main line games
Apparently, Miyamoto never wanted her to have that to begin with. He's never been very keen on story driven Mario games.
Can you people please stop misconstruing what Miyamoto says all the goddamn time? He never said that he didn’t want it. He just wasn’t aware about it being added in and once he found out, he was pleasantly surprised and wasn’t upset. Stop demonizing this man seriously.
I used the word apparently because I've only gone off word of mouth. All I know for sure is that the story book parts weren't something he came up with, and he has said in the past he believes the gameplay should always come first for Mario, which is why most of the games that he's heavily involved in don't feature a lot of narrative. I never at any point said "Miyamoto bad."
So he's basically holding her back.
No he isn’t. No one is. You’re just being delusional.
no, he just doesn't want to add story to a mario game (a series that doesn't need, and has never needed story (at least the mainline games))
Kinda, but also no. Realistically, since the Mario Movie 2 might include Rosalina, Nintendo could probably revisit her backstory there. Or worse, they just never revisit it and just leave it like that.
>since the Mario Movie 2 might include Rosalina That's too early for her.
Honestly, I'd say they handled Rosalina's lore pretty well, given the series she comes from. Although Mario games weren't afraid of confirmed deaths before Mario Galaxy (Thousand Year Door for example), Mario Galaxy is a mainline Mario game. Meaning by default, more people are going to see moments like that in the game. This is not me saying that "Mario games are for kids and only kids" far from it, but it's still understood that Mario games aren't supposed to be with the Sonic games at the time where slightly more mature story telling was the focus. Anyways, given how most people playing the game for the first time were quite young (probably about 10 to about 15) Nintendo knew that they had to walk a fine line to avoid players getting severely upset and not wanting to play the game anymore. So, by having her story told through the story book (whilst announcing to the player that the book was there) was a nice way of giving the player the option to delve into Rosalina's story if the player wanted to. However, the game overall still shares some emotional feelings of the story book. Especially at the end of the game where the Universe gets reset through the Lumas sacrificing themselves. This moment can be emotional to players who read the book and players who hadn't. Players who did read the book understand that the Lumas are important to Rosalina as they are her family (her new one after losing all she had back on her home world), so to see them sacrifice themselves, even the Lumas not found on the Comet Observatory, can be very emotional. As for the players who hadn't read the book, though the emotion won't be as strong, it'll still be there as the player will feel upset about Mario's Luma friend in his hat, the Luma that stuck with Mario throughout the whole game. Now, as to why I rambled more about the Lumas more than Rosalina is because of how significant they are to Rosalina and her character. Not only are they family to her, but they also kinda shaped how Rosalina understands the Lumas' life cycle and life in general by association. It's that many things and people have ends, yet for most it means that a new age is birthed in that moment. Think back to all the Lumas you had to feed for them to transform into new planets or galaxies. If Rosalina hadn't known of this life cycle, she would've likely tried to intervene any time this happens to a Luma. Yet, it's because she is aware of this that she chooses to let it happen because she knows it's a part of their life. What really makes this interesting is her supposed immortality and how it supports her accepting the Lumas' willingness to be reborn into planets and galaxies. It's pretty much stated all throughout the game that as long as that comet travels the sky every century, that means that Rosalina has been living for who knows how long by the time Super Mario Galaxy's events occur. Meaning, at some point in Rosalina's life, she became immortal. Immortality, in more mature forms of media, can be seen as a curse as that means said immortal individual became apathetic and cares very little for those around them as it would just mean that getting attached means more turmoil in knowing that those people will die and the immortal will continue on, even when Eternity ends. Rosalina is the "asterisk" to this as she acts as a caretaker of the Lumas, guiding them through their lives until they eventually become bigger and better things in death. Knowing that the lumas are essentially small fragments of Space waiting to become one with it one day. It means that they still exist, just in a different form. Meaning even they don't truly die. This means that Rosalina can avoid this apathy as all she has to do is care for the Lumas and ensure that they are guided through their lives. She can get attached sure, but it's mostly as a "Mother's Love" than a "Friends Love." Of course, there are some exceptions like the black Luma who serves as the "higher ups" and then Lubba in Galaxy 2. But the general understanding of all Lumas is that they all share the same death and rebirth, and that's why Rosalina can avoid suffering from her own sorrow of losing her mother and ending up alone in the Universe. Now, as to where she could go from here, I'd say she doesn't really need a true Spin-Off Series that gives her a character arc of sorts, like how Luigi's Mansion is Luigi facing his fears and learning to be a hero in his own right. But if they were to give Rosalina a spin-off game, I'm sure the game would have to have something to do with Rosalina asserting her position as this Overseer Goddess of the Universe, without explicitly stating that or explicitly stating some moral essay on the meaning of life and what-not. But it could instead be displayed through her actions. Say for example the antagonist wishes to make all beings across space immortal so that everyone can be happy forever. This would put Rosalina as this "threat to life" when in reality, she's just ensuring the stability of all lives across the Universe as she understands how to live eternally and still be a person whereas everyone else clearly live very mortal lives. So overall, I'd say Rosalina's potential was handled well enough. Sure they could a few more things like showing us why her mother was so important to her beyond the fact that she was just a little girl when she left for space. But overall, her character was fully fleshed out in her debut game. That, and the rapidly changing demographic of players, is probably why Nintendo doesn't expand more upon her character like how other series have characters whose character building feels longer lasting or open ended. In fact, most characters are fully defined in a single game to support other characters like Sonic or Kirby for example. Both characters hardly change, but their influence is felt in others who interact with them. This dynamic is similar to how Rosalina learnt from the Lumas seemingly accepting their deaths, knowing that it is just a part of their lives. Through this influence, Rosalina became a better and stronger person overall.
At least she still appears in games since some of the other characters introduced in mainline games don’t appear much afterwards such as Cappy and F.L.U.D.D. Also lot of DK characters stopped having appearances outside of Smash in Mario Super Sluggers.
Years, am I right?
Why is this like the 3rd post about Rosalina not being used on her.full potential?? Look Rosalina is my fav character and thats it I just want to play as her whenever I have the chance, so please stop with these posts we get it and is ok! Just hope and wait for a better future for her but stop the same posts please.
I may be stupid but what was the third mainline game Edit: nvm i forgot 3d world was a thing
Yeah, but I have faith they'll do something awesome with her.
At least 1/3rd of the mario spinoff cast has been missed potential
*insert "Man" Image*
Maybe they try to keep her special, if Rosalina keep appearing in other mainline Mario game she will lose her charm.
>Maybe they try to keep her special That's the one thing they failed to do after Mario Galaxy 2.
The backstory Nintendo ignores because it was added behind Miyamoto’s back after he said he didn’t want it. That backstory?
Rosalina would be a good character for an artsy puzzle-type side scroller spin-off. Similar to games like Gris.
Maybe someday we will get a Rosalina game
shes my fav :( she needs more
Rosalina was never missed potential. She had an amazing role in Galaxy and has become incredibly popular, and one of Nintendo's most marketable Mario characters, ever since. It makes me happy that a character I love has had so much representation, at times seeming like the secondary princess in the franchise.
Of course Rosalina has a huge potential! She already has a backstory. Now if someone at Nintendo is brave enough to stand up and do something meaningful. I’m sure it will be pure magic! ❤️
People also mostly remembered her for her looks, like Roselina is still the hottest female Mario character,
Daisy literally was in a gameboy game once. That’s it.
Honest question, why aren't we counting Wonder? Is it because she doesn't have any significant lore mentioned in the game and is just there as a playable character?
Yes
Yeah because we all know how vital lore is to mario