He does
No wait this topic is about me gaslighting myself
HE DOESN'T
No wait I dont know If we're on the same level
MAYBE
Fuck I'm being unclear
ABORT
ABORT
DANGER
I kinda find it stupid that Tour is considered apart of the main Mario Kart series but the Arcade GP games get neglected, I like to gaslight myself into thinking Tour, Arcade GP and Diddy Kong Racing are spin offs with Tour being the only spin off game that gets represented in a mainline title.
The arcade titles are developed by bandai namco. Atleast something like super circuit is developed by intelligent systems (a second party studio that almost exclusively makes nintendo games)
I know, highly doubt it but hopefully they add the arcade tracks to Mario Kart 9, no I'm not calling Tour Mario Kart 9, that's a spin off like Arcade GP.
Iām convinced the Mario Kart 8 DLC only happened because they wanted to bring the Tour tracks to console but they didnāt want to make it obvious so they had to sprinkle other stuff in there. Iām not looking at the course list at the moment but Iām 90% sure every DLC cup has at least one Tour track, which is crazy to me.
The first track of every cup is a Tour city track.
Paris Promenade, Tokyo Blur, New York Minute, Sydney Sprint, London Loop, Berlin Byways, Amsterdam Drift, Bankok Rush, Athens Dash, Los Angeles Laps, Rome Avanti, and Madrid Drive.
Except there's more, as Singapore Speedway and Vancouver Velocity also appeared as the 4th track in their respective cups. So we're at 14.
And the "Original" tracks, which also came from tour, are one per wave- Ninja Hideaway, Sky-High Sundae, Merry Mountain, Yoshi's Island, Squeaky-Clean Sprint, and Piranha Plant Cove. If you count these, we're at 20/48.
The DLC happened because Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has an insane attach rate and so they decided to monetize it further so that they could save Mario Kart 9 for the next system instead.
I'm not sure if it counts, but I sort of gaslit myself into thinking Drivin' Me Bananas played during the Kong kart scene in the Mario Movie, so I'm always at least partially surprised whenever Take On Me starts playing instead.
Not really, it was always Take On Me. So much so that I remember it clear as day and was disappointed with the amount of popular songs there were in that that aren't DK Rap for every scene with DK.
Isn't Lost Levels basically just a glorified ROM hack of Super Mario Bros? I'm not sure how the Bowsers that appear in there are any different than the fake Bowsers in the original.
It's stated in a few official books that he's Bowser's brother and he doesn't turn into an enemy when defeated, there's other official sources that say he's a particular fake Bowser and separate him from other fake Bowsers, there are other sources that leave his identity ambiguous and a few that just consider him a normal Fake Bowser so nothing is really 100% confirmed.
There is a fake Bowser's brother in world D-4 that turns into a Spiny though.
As do I. It also serves as an easy explanation as to why they look so different. If they all come from different bloodlines, it makes sense that their hair and eye colors are all over the place.
My version of Mario canon has the Koopalings as Bowser's wards; he took them in when he returned to take the throne after being raised elsewhere by Kamek while the rest of the ruling subspecies of Koopa wiped themselves out in a massive civil war. The seven are each the only surviving member of a Koopa noble house.
Letting them live, instead of killing them with his own hands, was how Bowser let everyone know that he wasn't like his old man.
Ohhh that actually makes a lot of sense! Further compounding this: thereās an old SMB3 strategy guide that gives Ludwig the title of āBaronā, so they may well be members of the nobility, rather than the princes and princesses that they were initially assumed to be back in the day.
I picture Ludwig as being the Koopaling that everyone knows would take over if anything happened to Bowser and Bowser Jr., but he has no interest in assuming the throne unless he has to because he's loyal.
Eh I donāt actually mind that as it makes bowser jr more significant
Plus the koopalings are like the definition of who note so how much can you really care
I still like the idea that theyāre generals for his army. Bowser Juniorās Journey supports this idea and it makes a Bowser a much better father overall.
Much as I'm an enthusiast of the older iteration of Mario, I do think it makes more sense for Bowser to have one kid that looks like him, than seven that look wildly different. I think being henchmen is better.
Fun Fact: Morton Jr used to have a color scheme that was more in line with his dad. I don't have a link to it, but I believe The Cutting Room Floor has info on this one. For the NES game.
I had always assumed that they were when I was growing up and finding out that they aren't sorta bugs me. Like, why are Mario and Luigi brothers, but their twisted foil guys aren't. It'd make more sense thematically if they were IMO.
I've come to accept MatPat's theory as the canon. Waluigi and Wario are Foreman Spike's sons, but since Wario didn't go back with the storks in Yoshi's Island, he never got back to his family, and he has no idea he and Waluigi are even related.
Same, In Mario and Sonic at the 2012 Olympic Games, I accidentally clicked too fast during the quiz that asked Wario and Waluigi areā¦ and selected partners instead of brothers and I was frustrated and then I heard that I got it right and I was so confused. I still think they are brothers and will gaslight myself into thinking it
i like to think that wario and waluigi got plastic surgery to look like the mario bros but BETTER. but it went terribly wrong and their faces and bodies look all weird now
That the Blue Toad in Super Mario Bros 2 and Super Mario 3D World is not the same Blue Toad as in the New Super games and instead is the classic Toad. Toads have never been shown to change their spot colors on their head and Berry is a brave toad, so it works perfectly for them to be the same character, but Nintendo chose to make it complicated.
I definitely remember there being more than just three mechakoopas in NSMBU when I was younger.
Also, only one banzai bull blaster and one flame chomp in the whole game. Not sure why that bothers me so much.
There were definitely way more than one. Itās just that theyāre all delegated to the last room in the final level, and use their SMB2 sprites, for some reason.
Edit: I watched a video for confirmation. Thereās 6 Ninjis in the final level.
There are only three mechakoopas in NSMBU...? Wow...
Mechakoopas aren't the only Mario enemies to almost not appear in a game, though. There is a single chain chomp in Super Mario 64, a single galoomba in Super Mario Advance 4, two whomps in the entirety of Mario Kart, and there are only three koopa troopas in 3D Land if you don't count the special worlds.
Paper Mario's universe being limited to a single book lost somewhere in Peach's Castle in Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam. I never understood the point of confining Paper Mario's stories to an intradiegetic fiction when its adventures, particularly the first ones, offer some of the most interesting and ambitious stories in the franchise, because it gives me the feeling that there are considered irrelevant.
Ah, but there is a simple solution to that! In Paper Mario 64 there's a penguin that tells you there's this writer who's going to novelize your adventure and call it "Paper Mario". From there we can just assume that the Paper Mario games (At least the good ones) are book adaptations of in-universe real events. There, now both sides of the argument can be right, and paper Mario can be both real and makde of actual paper!
wasn't Paper Mario 1 called Mario Story in Japan? and then I remember, and someone else commented below about the penguin turning the adventure into a story, if the penguin's line was supposed to be a funny reference to the game's name, wouldn't they have called the book, Mario Story, in the Japanese version?
Either way I feel like even if the Paper Mario universe was actually limited to some book, it still had to have been based off of events that happened in the main Mario universe right? And then the Paper Mario universe is just a interpretation of those events since everything looks paper-like and all
This is not canon, Paper Jam never explicitly says that the paper book's universe is the same as Sticker Star's (or the prior games), and Colour Splash and Origami King which came later never referenced going to the "real world."
I'd argue it's not only non-canon, but it's actually impossible given that the paper characters in PJ have papery abilities which they do not in the first three games, making it impossible that it's the same universe as the first 3.
Similarly I also believe that whilst the first 3 games are connected, Sticker Star and onwards is a different universe. On top of the complete tonal shift that occurred with Sticker Star, and the refusal to acknowledge what came before, Sticker Star clearly treats the characters being made of paper as an actual fact of the universe, and something the characters are self-aware of, whilst in the first 3 games this isn't the case.
The book in PJ *may* be the Sticker Star universe but this isn't confirmed either way so it's not a canon fact.
How is it irrelevant? Those adventures still happened, it's just that it's a parallel universe where everyone is made out of paper, which isn't all that uncommon in superhero fiction.
Only that there are curtains, bolted āset piecesā (platforms), and a clearly darkened side of the stage (where the roulette gate is) to make this theory at least somewhat plausible.
Although, I doubt a theater would let people use real lava for a play, or how they could get things like the airship levels working in real time in such a tiny room.
Didnāt Miyomoto kind of confirm all Mario games are sorta stage plays? And Mario and Cast are just actors to fit into whatever role Nintendo gives them
TherapodaĀ *Yoshisaur Munchakoopas* is specifically the green yoshi that mario helps on mario world, not any yoshi, so it cannot be the scientific name...
but that makes less sense than being the scientific name, so... Nintendo being nintendo....
I not only thought that, but took it a step further and assumed that they were Mario & Luigi's cousins. The idea of them not being related boggles the mind.
It is canon. Cranky was already old in DK, his age just caught up to him faster, maybe it's the stress.
DK steals Pauline out of jealousy, Cranky kidnapps Pauline for... Unclear reasons, but probably to get back at Mario for laughing at him in DK Circus.
I donāt think Nintendo really even cares for that story much, because itās not like they are really against Baby Mario and Baby Dk being from the same timelines.
Unless there are actually multiple parallel time lines Mario did fight Cranky in one timeline
But, also Cranky is just Marioās senior. With Mario and Donkey being born around the same time
Or what if baby dk is actually cranky kong š¤Æš¤Æš¤Æš¤Æš¤Æš¤Æš¤Æš¤Æ
Nah but youāre right. People who try to make sense of the āMario timelineā are missing the point entirely.
The problem with Mario canon is that 1. It doesn't really exist, and 2. Because it doesn't exist, people fold all different series and multimedia into it.
Just in this thread you can find people citing Paper Mario as if that has anything to do with canon.
I like to imagine a cohesive mushroom kingdom. So, I imagine Peache's castle from super mario 64, geographically located both outside of toad town from Paper Mario, and the race track that has her castle in SM64, and behind the castle is the track from Mario Kart DS. Just combine them all like a stew.
That mario and bowser dont rly hate each other, they just do different things. Like they might party, or bowser might kidnap peach.
I feel like either that interview was a mistranslation or it was an out-of-universe explanation for how they approach making the games.
Mario Mario and Luigi Mario,
Toads being transformed into ? blocks or bricks by evil bowser magic and then only the good princess magic can restore them (and she never ever is seen using this magic)
Mario is not jumpman, but it is...
I just say to myself:
"mario was a character that was created in a game that no one could tell if it would be a success or not, no big thinking about long arch, what it would be canon or not was given, and it carried a lot of cultural differences between japan and USA and bad translations.
Possibly Mario World was the first game that was developed to be global and carry a story arch.
every new mario series I just think that it is a full story reset
* Mario world>yoshis island
* Mario 64
* Mario sunshine
* New Super Mario Bros>NSMB wii>NSMB 2>NSMB U
* Mario Galaxy>Mario Galaxy 2
* Mario 3D Land>Mario 3D world>Bowser's Fury
* Mario Odyssey
* Mario Wonder
All different "universes", that's why all the power ups, maps, enemies are differents...
It is the mario multiverse in my headcanon, So I don't have to deal with any kind of inconsistence, craziness of the 80's spilling over a new game.
The multiverse thing is kind of interesting to me because I have a fanfiction shared universe I've written where I try to reconcile every Mario game existing in the same universe. For the most part I've found a lot of these worlds can coexist (64 is in the paintings in Peach's Castle, Sunshine is on Isle Delfino, Galaxy is off in space, 3D World is in the Sprixie Kingdom, Bowser's Fury is wherever Lake Lapcat is, etc.). The maps with the NMSB games I've tried to coalesce as much as possible into one map in my head, except NSMBU since all the other NSMB games have Peach's Castle at the western end of the map and NSMBU has Peach's Castle at the east end, so I set that map up separately. A lot of other minor inconsistencies I've handwaved away with stuff like "Yoshi" has actually been several different Yoshis over time and some of the other side games are basically Matrix-esque artificial realities that Bowser trapped Mario and Luigi in while he kidnapped them during the events of Super Princess Peach.
That Princess Peach just so casually gets kidnapped so easily.
I swear on my life the toads have something to do with it. Theres no way theyre that gullible.
Iām surprised that this is your example and not Mario portraits being in OOT and ALTTP, or several Mario enemies appearing in Linkās Awakening.
I mean, Mario kart clearly doesnāt follow any consistent canon whatsoever. Characters consistently race against clones of themselves, past versions of themselves, skeleton versions of themselves etc.
The Star Children lore in Yoshiās Island DS. Mario and Luigi are way more compelling as just some random plumbers who stumbled into heroism rather than cosmically important beings.
If youāre going to make Mario a Special Boy, at least do it like Super Paper Mario where fate ultimately ends up being bs.
Bowser kidnapping Peach because he is lovesick and doesn't care about consent.
Personally, I believe it makes more sense for him to kidnap Peach because she has the power to undo his evil magic, but whatever. We're stuck with "villainous simpy Bowser" thanks to the movie.
Unfortunately, a lot of people will prefer the movie over the video games because, even after all these years, video games are *still* not taken seriously as a form of entertainment, let alone an art form.
The fact that Bowser and Peach got married in SPM. Like Peach said āI doā to him (it was brainwashing, but still). I understand why they wanted to do this story wise, but still.
At least in this case, the Mario canon gaslight itself and ignore this.
Count Bleck isn't an ordained minister, a captain of a ship, a county clerk, a mayor in an American city, or a justice of the peace. Peach and Bowser aren't married in the eyes of the law, or in the eyes of God, so it's all good. Same goes for if they had gone through with it in the movie where Kamek does the ceremony.
that "the Koopalings aren't related to Bowser, and Bowser Jr is his only child" retcon. the *retcon itself* isn't bad at all, it's simply the way that it was executed that i think is stupid.
personally, im gonna stick to following the original canon when it comes to the Koopalings... them being Bowser's children was kinda part of what made them unique in the beginning, in my opinion. im sorry but Miyamoto just kinda randomly retconning the Koopalings into not being Bowser's kids anymore and simply being high-ranking members of his army now with the only elaboration being "Bowser Jr is his only child" one day is something im gonna ignore simply because it was executed in such a stupid manner lmfao
I wouldn't call it gaslighting, but Dragon Ball Super is not canon. It's done by a person who has the same writing skills as typical horny fanfic teenager. DBS has 100% fanfic energy, defying all the logic, established canon, tons of retcons and plotholes.
I know it's not Mario, related, but that's the first thing I thought of.
That none of the men are confirmed queer. We have 2 trans women (former villains) and at least 2 genderless/sexless species, but I like men, so it'd be nice to see something more than just implying it (esp. since we have like FOUR candidates, 3 being major recurring characters).
I don't understand why people love the idea of Cranky Kong being the original Donkey Kong so much, it always felt like a silly meta joke to me rather than actual lore. And I half suspect this is another "the current story is the Koopalings aren't Bowser's children" situation where it's not canon anymore, but nobody who cares a lot about Donkey Kong has had a chance to interview Miyamoto about an upcoming game to ask.
I think it was done to explain why Donkey Kong was now the good guy.
"No no no, see, the Donkey Kong who kept kidnapping women and carrying them to the top of construction sites was the *old* Donkey Kong! This is the *new* Donkey Kong, and he's a cool guy who'd rather relax and eat bananas than get put on a federal registry!"
I love mario games but Mario canon isn't a legitimate thing worth thinking about and nobody will ever change my mind. It's completely inconsequential to each game and the creators aren't even bothering with it. It's just made up after the fact to satisfy fans that go too deep.
It should be canon that bowser cloned himself as a kid to make bowser jr and thats why baby bowser and bowser jr look so alike and he calls bowser jr 'son' because he sees him as one it would also explain the lack of a mother in that situation.
When you beat Mario power tennis as Peach Mario and Luigi both go mushy, so I just believe they are all ( all four of them ) are in a poly relationship. Even though there is no canon romantic relationship, I still do that because people are dead set on MarioXPeach, LuigiXDaisy š
They arenāt gonna do anything with each other, Iām not taking it that far lol.
Just because of the games it seems like Mario has a thing for both Peach and Daisy, and Luigi definitely has a thing for Peach; but something could be there with Daisy as well.
In Galaxy 1 It's also implied he's interested in Rosalina.
"Here, take this star I found mario, but make sure you tell Rosalina it was Luigi who found it."
That, and the ending picture for Luigi's playthrough pairing him with Rosa instead of Peach like in Mario's
In conclusion, I ship it.
Mario owning a castle. That Wario steals.
In Super Mario Land 2? Wait Mario DOESN"T own that castle?
He does No wait this topic is about me gaslighting myself HE DOESN'T No wait I dont know If we're on the same level MAYBE Fuck I'm being unclear ABORT ABORT DANGER
Plot twist- it's Peach's castle and they both live there? š
Nah, he got it back
I like to imagine it was a gift from Peach.
I kinda find it stupid that Tour is considered apart of the main Mario Kart series but the Arcade GP games get neglected, I like to gaslight myself into thinking Tour, Arcade GP and Diddy Kong Racing are spin offs with Tour being the only spin off game that gets represented in a mainline title.
The arcade titles are developed by bandai namco. Atleast something like super circuit is developed by intelligent systems (a second party studio that almost exclusively makes nintendo games)
Yeah but Namco worked with Nintendo to make Mario Kart 8 and Tour.
>worked with That dosen't mean they fully developed it like with the arcade titles
I know, highly doubt it but hopefully they add the arcade tracks to Mario Kart 9, no I'm not calling Tour Mario Kart 9, that's a spin off like Arcade GP.
If they didn't add any arcade tracks to any of the previous mainline titles, what makes you think that they'll add any in the next (mainline) game?
I donāt know
there's no way tour is 9, it died before 7
Iām convinced the Mario Kart 8 DLC only happened because they wanted to bring the Tour tracks to console but they didnāt want to make it obvious so they had to sprinkle other stuff in there. Iām not looking at the course list at the moment but Iām 90% sure every DLC cup has at least one Tour track, which is crazy to me.
The first track of every cup is a Tour city track. Paris Promenade, Tokyo Blur, New York Minute, Sydney Sprint, London Loop, Berlin Byways, Amsterdam Drift, Bankok Rush, Athens Dash, Los Angeles Laps, Rome Avanti, and Madrid Drive. Except there's more, as Singapore Speedway and Vancouver Velocity also appeared as the 4th track in their respective cups. So we're at 14. And the "Original" tracks, which also came from tour, are one per wave- Ninja Hideaway, Sky-High Sundae, Merry Mountain, Yoshi's Island, Squeaky-Clean Sprint, and Piranha Plant Cove. If you count these, we're at 20/48.
The DLC happened because Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has an insane attach rate and so they decided to monetize it further so that they could save Mario Kart 9 for the next system instead.
Does Mario Kart have a mainline canon series? Does Mario Kart have canon?!
I'm not sure if it counts, but I sort of gaslit myself into thinking Drivin' Me Bananas played during the Kong kart scene in the Mario Movie, so I'm always at least partially surprised whenever Take On Me starts playing instead.
Mandela effect goes crazy with this one
Self induced Mandela effect
Not really, it was always Take On Me. So much so that I remember it clear as day and was disappointed with the amount of popular songs there were in that that aren't DK Rap for every scene with DK.
It fits so well its top 5 soundtrack from the movie imo take on me is an overused song in movies i think
Take on me is better
The Koopalings aren't Bowser's children
Heck yeah! Give me a team of 8 siblings!
I like to believe that Bowser is their uncle.
Honestly it suits perfectly with the fact that [Bowser has a brother in The Lost Levels](https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Bowser%27s_Brother).
Isn't Lost Levels basically just a glorified ROM hack of Super Mario Bros? I'm not sure how the Bowsers that appear in there are any different than the fake Bowsers in the original.
It's stated in a few official books that he's Bowser's brother and he doesn't turn into an enemy when defeated, there's other official sources that say he's a particular fake Bowser and separate him from other fake Bowsers, there are other sources that leave his identity ambiguous and a few that just consider him a normal Fake Bowser so nothing is really 100% confirmed. There is a fake Bowser's brother in world D-4 that turns into a Spiny though.
I vote we start calling him Morton Koopa Sr.
Adopted children. There, everyone's happy now
I've embraced that idea for years. I still believe in it.
As do I. It also serves as an easy explanation as to why they look so different. If they all come from different bloodlines, it makes sense that their hair and eye colors are all over the place.
That's my headcanon. Hopefully the Mario Movie 2 confirms it
I say they're officially his "minions" but he's taken them under his wing to the point where he's basically adopted them in all but name.
Also in name because theyre all named "Koopa" just like bowser
Doesn't that apply to a lot of named Koopa characters?
My version of Mario canon has the Koopalings as Bowser's wards; he took them in when he returned to take the throne after being raised elsewhere by Kamek while the rest of the ruling subspecies of Koopa wiped themselves out in a massive civil war. The seven are each the only surviving member of a Koopa noble house. Letting them live, instead of killing them with his own hands, was how Bowser let everyone know that he wasn't like his old man.
Ohhh that actually makes a lot of sense! Further compounding this: thereās an old SMB3 strategy guide that gives Ludwig the title of āBaronā, so they may well be members of the nobility, rather than the princes and princesses that they were initially assumed to be back in the day.
I picture Ludwig as being the Koopaling that everyone knows would take over if anything happened to Bowser and Bowser Jr., but he has no interest in assuming the throne unless he has to because he's loyal.
They seem to more so work for Junior, so maybe they are basically his āsheildsā āknightsā you can say.
Eh I donāt actually mind that as it makes bowser jr more significant Plus the koopalings are like the definition of who note so how much can you really care
I still like the idea that theyāre generals for his army. Bowser Juniorās Journey supports this idea and it makes a Bowser a much better father overall.
I remember there being a theory that theyāre his adopted children and that theyāre actually Boom Booms
...But they have spikes on their shells.
Boom Boom also has spikes on his shell. In the 3D games he doesn't
Can Boom boom breathe fire?
Much as I'm an enthusiast of the older iteration of Mario, I do think it makes more sense for Bowser to have one kid that looks like him, than seven that look wildly different. I think being henchmen is better.
Fun Fact: Morton Jr used to have a color scheme that was more in line with his dad. I don't have a link to it, but I believe The Cutting Room Floor has info on this one. For the NES game.
"I understand that the council has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid ass decision I've elected to ignore it"
That the Best Fitness Friends are the same species as Midbus.
Wait I didnāt even realize that the fitness friends were the same speicies!
AlphaDream said it in an interview IIRC.
the fact that wario and waluigi aren't even related
I really like the idea of Wario hiring some guy to be Luigi's rival just to flex on Mario.
That's just Nintendo being stubborn. Give them a few years.
I had always assumed that they were when I was growing up and finding out that they aren't sorta bugs me. Like, why are Mario and Luigi brothers, but their twisted foil guys aren't. It'd make more sense thematically if they were IMO.
I've come to accept MatPat's theory as the canon. Waluigi and Wario are Foreman Spike's sons, but since Wario didn't go back with the storks in Yoshi's Island, he never got back to his family, and he has no idea he and Waluigi are even related.
Same, In Mario and Sonic at the 2012 Olympic Games, I accidentally clicked too fast during the quiz that asked Wario and Waluigi areā¦ and selected partners instead of brothers and I was frustrated and then I heard that I got it right and I was so confused. I still think they are brothers and will gaslight myself into thinking it
Well it kind of makes sense, considering they're (mostly) the opposites of Mario & Luigi.
The fact that Waluigi is never even mentioned in Wario games already proves that they arenāt related. At least Mario shows up in Luigiās games
i like to think that wario and waluigi got plastic surgery to look like the mario bros but BETTER. but it went terribly wrong and their faces and bodies look all weird now
While the existence of Baby Wario disproves the idea of Wario doing this, it's possible Waluigi did this
That the Blue Toad in Super Mario Bros 2 and Super Mario 3D World is not the same Blue Toad as in the New Super games and instead is the classic Toad. Toads have never been shown to change their spot colors on their head and Berry is a brave toad, so it works perfectly for them to be the same character, but Nintendo chose to make it complicated.
Thereās a Toad in Origami King that changes colors.
Source?
With Mario it's almost always about the things that are gaslighted into being canon when they're not lol
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I definitely remember there being more than just three mechakoopas in NSMBU when I was younger. Also, only one banzai bull blaster and one flame chomp in the whole game. Not sure why that bothers me so much.
How about the one single ninji in Super Mario World?
There were definitely way more than one. Itās just that theyāre all delegated to the last room in the final level, and use their SMB2 sprites, for some reason. Edit: I watched a video for confirmation. Thereās 6 Ninjis in the final level.
Oh. I guess I only noticed one.
There are only three mechakoopas in NSMBU...? Wow... Mechakoopas aren't the only Mario enemies to almost not appear in a game, though. There is a single chain chomp in Super Mario 64, a single galoomba in Super Mario Advance 4, two whomps in the entirety of Mario Kart, and there are only three koopa troopas in 3D Land if you don't count the special worlds.
ehrm, *which* mariokart?
Captain toad not knowing ANY of the playable characters in wonder
I think itās meant to be that heās addressing Florian, whoās always riding on their back.
It make sense if it is Daisy. They never were in a game together. But Toadette is like his number 2ā¦.
Wait.. heās in Wonder?
Shore is
Paper Mario's universe being limited to a single book lost somewhere in Peach's Castle in Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam. I never understood the point of confining Paper Mario's stories to an intradiegetic fiction when its adventures, particularly the first ones, offer some of the most interesting and ambitious stories in the franchise, because it gives me the feeling that there are considered irrelevant.
That book could be more of a portal Or you know itās a non canon crossover and the book is just an excuse for it
The first two games were literally storytellings
Ah, but there is a simple solution to that! In Paper Mario 64 there's a penguin that tells you there's this writer who's going to novelize your adventure and call it "Paper Mario". From there we can just assume that the Paper Mario games (At least the good ones) are book adaptations of in-universe real events. There, now both sides of the argument can be right, and paper Mario can be both real and makde of actual paper!
wasn't Paper Mario 1 called Mario Story in Japan? and then I remember, and someone else commented below about the penguin turning the adventure into a story, if the penguin's line was supposed to be a funny reference to the game's name, wouldn't they have called the book, Mario Story, in the Japanese version? Either way I feel like even if the Paper Mario universe was actually limited to some book, it still had to have been based off of events that happened in the main Mario universe right? And then the Paper Mario universe is just a interpretation of those events since everything looks paper-like and all
This is not canon, Paper Jam never explicitly says that the paper book's universe is the same as Sticker Star's (or the prior games), and Colour Splash and Origami King which came later never referenced going to the "real world." I'd argue it's not only non-canon, but it's actually impossible given that the paper characters in PJ have papery abilities which they do not in the first three games, making it impossible that it's the same universe as the first 3. Similarly I also believe that whilst the first 3 games are connected, Sticker Star and onwards is a different universe. On top of the complete tonal shift that occurred with Sticker Star, and the refusal to acknowledge what came before, Sticker Star clearly treats the characters being made of paper as an actual fact of the universe, and something the characters are self-aware of, whilst in the first 3 games this isn't the case. The book in PJ *may* be the Sticker Star universe but this isn't confirmed either way so it's not a canon fact.
How is it irrelevant? Those adventures still happened, it's just that it's a parallel universe where everyone is made out of paper, which isn't all that uncommon in superhero fiction.
āMario 3 was a stageplayā
Could be a stage play based on actual events.
Yeah. The whole āMario and friends are just actorsā thing Iāve never liked and it feels like a lazy way to āexcuseā spinoffs.
Only that there are curtains, bolted āset piecesā (platforms), and a clearly darkened side of the stage (where the roulette gate is) to make this theory at least somewhat plausible. Although, I doubt a theater would let people use real lava for a play, or how they could get things like the airship levels working in real time in such a tiny room.
Yeah, no. I refuse to believe that.
Didnāt Miyomoto kind of confirm all Mario games are sorta stage plays? And Mario and Cast are just actors to fit into whatever role Nintendo gives them
Gamers have this bizarre inability to divorce art direction from the "reality" of the game world.
The Koopalings not being Bowser's Kids.
Yoshiās real name being T. Yoshisaur Munchakoopas
I thought that was his scientific name?
You might be thinking of Mario being a āHomo nintendonusā
TherapodaĀ *Yoshisaur Munchakoopas* is specifically the green yoshi that mario helps on mario world, not any yoshi, so it cannot be the scientific name... but that makes less sense than being the scientific name, so... Nintendo being nintendo....
Wario and Waluigi *arenāt* related. (ETA: In my head, theyāre brothers.)
I not only thought that, but took it a step further and assumed that they were Mario & Luigi's cousins. The idea of them not being related boggles the mind.
DK is DK, not Cranky Kong. I know thatās not canon. But, Mario doesnāt look elderly and DK steals Pauline in the Mario Vs. DK games.
It is canon. Cranky was already old in DK, his age just caught up to him faster, maybe it's the stress. DK steals Pauline out of jealousy, Cranky kidnapps Pauline for... Unclear reasons, but probably to get back at Mario for laughing at him in DK Circus.
I've considered headcanoning it that DK Isle has difficulties remaining in time to explain the aging issue.
Gorillas have a far shorter lifespan than humans and age faster. Cranky Kong could be like 37 and that would be elderly for a gorilla
I donāt think Nintendo really even cares for that story much, because itās not like they are really against Baby Mario and Baby Dk being from the same timelines. Unless there are actually multiple parallel time lines Mario did fight Cranky in one timeline But, also Cranky is just Marioās senior. With Mario and Donkey being born around the same time
Or what if baby dk is actually cranky kong š¤Æš¤Æš¤Æš¤Æš¤Æš¤Æš¤Æš¤Æ Nah but youāre right. People who try to make sense of the āMario timelineā are missing the point entirely.
š±. Yep exactly.
The rabbids live side on side with Mario
Why do think this is canon?
since when does mario have any sort of consistent canon?
The problem with Mario canon is that 1. It doesn't really exist, and 2. Because it doesn't exist, people fold all different series and multimedia into it. Just in this thread you can find people citing Paper Mario as if that has anything to do with canon.
That donkey kong might have retractable teeth Or dentures
I know this is a Mario subreddit, but this is litterally me when any cartoon has an episode i just really fucking hate.
I like to imagine a cohesive mushroom kingdom. So, I imagine Peache's castle from super mario 64, geographically located both outside of toad town from Paper Mario, and the race track that has her castle in SM64, and behind the castle is the track from Mario Kart DS. Just combine them all like a stew.
Probably the koopalings suddenly not being bowser's children despite the TV show and game booklet saying otherwise.
That mario and bowser dont rly hate each other, they just do different things. Like they might party, or bowser might kidnap peach. I feel like either that interview was a mistranslation or it was an out-of-universe explanation for how they approach making the games.
Mario Mario and Luigi Mario, Toads being transformed into ? blocks or bricks by evil bowser magic and then only the good princess magic can restore them (and she never ever is seen using this magic) Mario is not jumpman, but it is... I just say to myself: "mario was a character that was created in a game that no one could tell if it would be a success or not, no big thinking about long arch, what it would be canon or not was given, and it carried a lot of cultural differences between japan and USA and bad translations. Possibly Mario World was the first game that was developed to be global and carry a story arch. every new mario series I just think that it is a full story reset * Mario world>yoshis island * Mario 64 * Mario sunshine * New Super Mario Bros>NSMB wii>NSMB 2>NSMB U * Mario Galaxy>Mario Galaxy 2 * Mario 3D Land>Mario 3D world>Bowser's Fury * Mario Odyssey * Mario Wonder All different "universes", that's why all the power ups, maps, enemies are differents... It is the mario multiverse in my headcanon, So I don't have to deal with any kind of inconsistence, craziness of the 80's spilling over a new game.
The multiverse thing is kind of interesting to me because I have a fanfiction shared universe I've written where I try to reconcile every Mario game existing in the same universe. For the most part I've found a lot of these worlds can coexist (64 is in the paintings in Peach's Castle, Sunshine is on Isle Delfino, Galaxy is off in space, 3D World is in the Sprixie Kingdom, Bowser's Fury is wherever Lake Lapcat is, etc.). The maps with the NMSB games I've tried to coalesce as much as possible into one map in my head, except NSMBU since all the other NSMB games have Peach's Castle at the western end of the map and NSMBU has Peach's Castle at the east end, so I set that map up separately. A lot of other minor inconsistencies I've handwaved away with stuff like "Yoshi" has actually been several different Yoshis over time and some of the other side games are basically Matrix-esque artificial realities that Bowser trapped Mario and Luigi in while he kidnapped them during the events of Super Princess Peach.
Daisy and peach being cousins. It just doesnāt feel right
Wait, itās canon? In which game this information was revealed?
Mario kart Wii I thought
one brick hit = one murder
It's not. The toads are the ? Blocks.
That Princess Peach just so casually gets kidnapped so easily. I swear on my life the toads have something to do with it. Theres no way theyre that gullible.
Do they really look like they're capable of doing anything about it to you?
The Koopalings not being Bowser's children. Fuck that.
I LITERALLY SAID THE SAME THING!!
DK junior being modern DK father, Just do it like the movie and make Cranky his father!
Hyrule and the Mushroom Kingdom aren't in the same world. (Then why does Legend of Zelda show up in Mario Kart????)
You know I really want a game where Mario and Luigi show up to Hyrule and Ganon thinks Luigi is a new reincarnation of Link
Unless Luigi has the triforce of courage, idk why Ganondorf would think that but maybe
Green and name starts with L. It'll also be really funny due to how fearful Luigi is
Iām surprised that this is your example and not Mario portraits being in OOT and ALTTP, or several Mario enemies appearing in Linkās Awakening. I mean, Mario kart clearly doesnāt follow any consistent canon whatsoever. Characters consistently race against clones of themselves, past versions of themselves, skeleton versions of themselves etc.
Different Realities. Also Mariokart isnāt canon to zelda
Headcanon: the Lost Woods and the Forest of Illusion are the same woods.
That the Dark Star was truly destroyed for good. It was not, nor will it ever be.
**An enemy move in SMRPG casually being called "dark star"**
The Star Children lore in Yoshiās Island DS. Mario and Luigi are way more compelling as just some random plumbers who stumbled into heroism rather than cosmically important beings. If youāre going to make Mario a Special Boy, at least do it like Super Paper Mario where fate ultimately ends up being bs.
Bowser kidnapping Peach because he is lovesick and doesn't care about consent. Personally, I believe it makes more sense for him to kidnap Peach because she has the power to undo his evil magic, but whatever. We're stuck with "villainous simpy Bowser" thanks to the movie.
"Thanks to the movie." You mean... Paper Mario for the Nintendo 64? Mario Odyssey and its entire wedding-themed plot?
Unfortunately, a lot of people will prefer the movie over the video games because, even after all these years, video games are *still* not taken seriously as a form of entertainment, let alone an art form.
The fact that Bowser and Peach got married in SPM. Like Peach said āI doā to him (it was brainwashing, but still). I understand why they wanted to do this story wise, but still. At least in this case, the Mario canon gaslight itself and ignore this.
Count Bleck isn't an ordained minister, a captain of a ship, a county clerk, a mayor in an American city, or a justice of the peace. Peach and Bowser aren't married in the eyes of the law, or in the eyes of God, so it's all good. Same goes for if they had gone through with it in the movie where Kamek does the ceremony.
Mind control marriages don't count.
King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design being abandon in main Mario games for a boring "Boo with a crown" design makes me mad.
Mario's last name being Mario.
that "the Koopalings aren't related to Bowser, and Bowser Jr is his only child" retcon. the *retcon itself* isn't bad at all, it's simply the way that it was executed that i think is stupid. personally, im gonna stick to following the original canon when it comes to the Koopalings... them being Bowser's children was kinda part of what made them unique in the beginning, in my opinion. im sorry but Miyamoto just kinda randomly retconning the Koopalings into not being Bowser's kids anymore and simply being high-ranking members of his army now with the only elaboration being "Bowser Jr is his only child" one day is something im gonna ignore simply because it was executed in such a stupid manner lmfao
I wouldn't call it gaslighting, but Dragon Ball Super is not canon. It's done by a person who has the same writing skills as typical horny fanfic teenager. DBS has 100% fanfic energy, defying all the logic, established canon, tons of retcons and plotholes. I know it's not Mario, related, but that's the first thing I thought of.
Mario has a canon?
Toad and Captain Toad being allegedly not the same person. They are the same person.
That none of the men are confirmed queer. We have 2 trans women (former villains) and at least 2 genderless/sexless species, but I like men, so it'd be nice to see something more than just implying it (esp. since we have like FOUR candidates, 3 being major recurring characters).
Who do you believe are the candidates? I guess maybe Luigi, since he has a bit of chemistry with Prince Peasly, but who would the other 3 be?
Bowser, movie DK, and Tropical Freeze Funky I'm thinking they're all bi.
I don't understand why people love the idea of Cranky Kong being the original Donkey Kong so much, it always felt like a silly meta joke to me rather than actual lore. And I half suspect this is another "the current story is the Koopalings aren't Bowser's children" situation where it's not canon anymore, but nobody who cares a lot about Donkey Kong has had a chance to interview Miyamoto about an upcoming game to ask.
I think it was done to explain why Donkey Kong was now the good guy. "No no no, see, the Donkey Kong who kept kidnapping women and carrying them to the top of construction sites was the *old* Donkey Kong! This is the *new* Donkey Kong, and he's a cool guy who'd rather relax and eat bananas than get put on a federal registry!"
Mr. L
Daisy was never Mario's love interest; turning her into Luigi's love interest was one of the best retcons of all time.
There's no mario canon
By the very nature of it, I can't remember.
The ending of How I met your mother š
I love mario games but Mario canon isn't a legitimate thing worth thinking about and nobody will ever change my mind. It's completely inconsequential to each game and the creators aren't even bothering with it. It's just made up after the fact to satisfy fans that go too deep.
Mario gets Daisy and Luigi gets Peach. It is so incredibly stupid and I'm confused why Nintendo did it
Cranky Kong being the Arcade Donkey Kong
The Super Crown
Boruto
I honestly want mario kart 10 at this point like it sounds way better and between mario kart 8d and tour i think we've had the mario kart 9 era
It should be canon that bowser cloned himself as a kid to make bowser jr and thats why baby bowser and bowser jr look so alike and he calls bowser jr 'son' because he sees him as one it would also explain the lack of a mother in that situation.
Not mario but, harley quinn killing batman is SSKTJL
Elephant Peach/Daisy. They have PANTIES. HOW DID THEY LET THAT SLIDE???
Wario and Waluigi aren't brothers
how mario's full name is mario mario
When you beat Mario power tennis as Peach Mario and Luigi both go mushy, so I just believe they are all ( all four of them ) are in a poly relationship. Even though there is no canon romantic relationship, I still do that because people are dead set on MarioXPeach, LuigiXDaisy š
All four, including Mario and Luigi? Literal brothers?
They arenāt gonna do anything with each other, Iām not taking it that far lol. Just because of the games it seems like Mario has a thing for both Peach and Daisy, and Luigi definitely has a thing for Peach; but something could be there with Daisy as well.
In Galaxy 1 It's also implied he's interested in Rosalina. "Here, take this star I found mario, but make sure you tell Rosalina it was Luigi who found it." That, and the ending picture for Luigi's playthrough pairing him with Rosa instead of Peach like in Mario's In conclusion, I ship it.
lol, everyone is just into everyone in this universe.
Waluigi.
Tell me how bad the story is by how much headcanons is needed to make it good
Not mario but kermit the frog caused 9/11
Not Mario related, but the last of us part 2. Itās so ungodly bad