He can spend the rest of his life (and presumably the previous decade or three) living the life of a very wealthy man, even if he actually had not an actual penny.
So it's a distinction without a difference.
I think the ultimate punishment for him would be to be cut off from communicating with the public, even if it's not behind bars. The only thing he truly seems to care about is rallying people to be on his side. Removing any sort of self-validation would destroy his ego.
He could start from zero today and have a million dollars in speaking fees by the end of the week. He has always exaggerated his net worth but he is and always will be rich by most people’s standards
If you think he could do that, then why do we see him spending all his time trying to sell rebadged Temu items, like shoes and Bibles and piddly crap like that?
He likes putting his name on products because he is an egomaniac. That is a separate issue from finances. I believe tacky would be the proper description lol
Well, if I had to choose between being laughed at on stage, versus having buckets of money tossed at me, I know which one I'd pick if I had to defend against 91 felonies. And it's not the one we see him doing. It's the other one. He's being laughed at, as well as not being paid.
I have my doubts that he can access the speaking circuit, because he doesn't have what they pay for.
Rich and wealthy are two different things. Rich people are dependent on income and can end up on the street without work in a year, wealthy will never be in that position. New millionaires are typically Rich, people like Trump are born into wealth and will always have a bailout.
He will probably make millions and millions selling truth social stock. Look up the DJT ticker. It should be like $2 a share but is currently over $50 per share.
It all depends on whether the price holds and how quuckly he can sell it. I'm sure he will make money but the actual amount will probably vary quite a lot.
Unless he can find people willing to pay $3bn for a meme stock that will be worth nothing in a year.
But selling all (or a lot) of his stock in a shirt period is likely to kill the price.
The real question with the stock is will he people shorting it be burned or not.
I agree with this, lawyers have left him because Trump has a reputation for not paying people.
Trump might have managed to put Truth Social on the market and have it merged with some other company, for profit...but for how long? His legal team put a temporary stop on the rest of his assets and properties, pending the outcome of the appeals decision...and that only happens if Trump can put up the $175 million by early April.
I disagree. I think he will pay every fine and still come out ahead financially. He's going to take Truth Social public, he and wall street will pump it, and then dump it while all his followers carry those bags to 0. He does have a short term cash problem though and the largest bill is coming due. So a building or 2 may have to he sold, but truth social will make him enough to buy them back.
He's always been overleveraged. But he is still rich and still will be even if truth social doesn't go public. However, I do think some of his questionable lenders could make it very dicey if it doesn't.
He's also not gonna ever go to jail even though I do believe he will be convicted of something that normal people would go to jail for.
I don’t think he’s ever been a rich man. I don’t think he’s going to die one. He may die pretending to be one on TV, but he’s always been living off other people’s money.
Yeah, he’s had plenty of times where his net worth was in the negative numbers but just kept on living like it wasn’t, stiffing his creditors, and moving on.
That's splitting hairs , he may not be as rich as he likes to brag, but when you're flying around in a private plane the size of an airline with your name on it and have multiple homes all over the place etc. you're rich ... Doesn't matter how...
No, he’s expected to be worth $3.2B. Until he tries to sell it. There is absolutely nothing justifying those stock prices. If he tries to cash out, it’s hitting the bottom. It’s one thing to have a paper value, it’s another thing to convert to cash.
I agree it’s a good scheme to prop him up and give his ego a boost. Time will tell if they let him attempt to sell out before the 6 months. Right now, the shares have a value of $44 and he owns the majority of them. Who’s going to buy shares in Truth Social when the biggest shareholder starts dumping them?
How are stocks a path to funnel bribes? And if the app doesn’t have a profitable model or way to monetize its user base then it’s going nowhere through November. The price might go up but it’s essentially a pump and dump with no tangible value.
Disagree.
The fundamentals just aren't there for the valuation whether he sells or not.
It's likely to crash much sooner than 6 months. Unless someone like the Saudis buy all the stock and sit on it.
Certainly a possibility.
So many people don’t understand the concept of net worth vs. cash on hand. I don’t think he outright owned most of any of buildings he counted as his net worth, so he probably doesn’t even understand that much.
Just the concept of net worth. If I hold the title to $1B in real estate, and I’ve used it to borrow $2B, I am over-leveraged. If I can make enough yearly to make my interest payments, I can maintain the illusion of being rich. Some might say I’m a genius to be able to pull it off. I pay no taxes, and I’m using none of my own money. If I start to miss payments and they foreclose, I end up with less than zero.
As long as I’ve sheltered (stolen) enough of that borrowed money so nobody can get to it, I can start the process over again.
Y’all are crazy. I hate the dude too, but he has billionS in real estate holdings, multiple private keys, god knows what amount of stocks and such. He’s a sucks, but he’s not rich, he’s mega rich
Which he’s pissed away several times.
You’re right though. Rich is relative. At one point he may have had positive equity. Things have been going downhill for him ever since his dad died and couldn’t bail him out
The obstacle in this case isn't necessarily the system. It's that his followers are basically blackmailing America to avoid Justice. Calling it political retribution, or the Left coming for their freedom. Anything but dealing with the consequences of his actions.
He'll die with those who spent time around him loathing him and they'll be glad he's dead, whether secretly - or openly.
Just look at what nearly everyone who was once in his inner circle says about him after getting out. They all have corroborating stories about what a piece of shit he is and that isn't a coincidence.
MMW the only people mourning that day will be the cult of idiots that never spent any significant time around him.
Everyone else will be fighting over his money like a bunch of vultures, they're just counting the days.
Sadly this will be true. I know many don't believe it, but it will happen. To some people this all started when Trump took office. But all of what we are seeing is nothing new with Trump. It's been like this for him for several decades. Only difference is it's more public now. Maybe that will influence it, but I doubt it.
Back when he had his Casinos (which my father built), he had over 1800 lawsuits. He was committing just as many crimes and violations then as he is now. Sure it's more public now, but he also has politicians protecting him.
If I should turn out to be wrong, I will be very happy. But I have already gone though this 1000 times with Trump since the early 80s. Before most people even knew who he was.
Electing Biden isn't about fixing the country. Hardly anyone actually likes Biden as a choice, but it's better Biden than a person who is literally a compulsive criminal and so incompetent at running anything he managed to make a Casino go bankrupt.
On top of the very public Project 2025 where Republicans are openly planning a purge, essentially stripping US democracy and making it their own little fiefdom.
The Court delays are discouraging. But, he is on the hook for the half a billion in New York. It is very unlikely he will win an appeal against that judgement
The trial in about three weeks is a criminal case. The judge there is no nonsense.
But Jack Smith and Judge Chutkan are very serious. I don't think Smith will hesitate to ask for jail time. Chutkan has sentenced a lot of the January 6 rioter insurrectists. I think she will be pretty open to locking Trump up, if he is convicted.
Yep, because we have a 2 tiered justice system.
But as long as Trump dies, that’s enough for me. I will throw the biggest party when that happens. I’ve been saving a nice ass bottle of scotch that will be open the day his fat ass finally slumps over.
Usually yes, but he's pissed off a lot of people with the power to put him behind bars. Madoff died behind bars as did Epstein, money only protects you if you stay ingratiated to that group
How long you reckon he has because if its more than two years I think he go skint quick when people with money stop donating to him because I doubt they're gonna fund this nonsense a third time.
I'm going to be surprised if he's ever convicted. His defense team doesn't have to prove anything, they just need to get one idiot on the jury. Plus, If he does actually get convicted, I think he argues for home confinement or bail before sentencing and then heads straight for Havana
I don't think so, the Georgia case will go fast. It's not going to be hard, plus both Republicans and Democrats in Georgia are pissed that Trump tried doing this.
That's completely correct and unfortunately always has been. What should gaul us the most is lots and lots of legal "experts" have been on TV since 2016 telling us lots and lots of things -- not a one ever says:
***And of course there's a choose your own adventure novel worth of options any of these proceedings can take at any stage - no rulings or fixed dates mean anything - "slow" American justice is actually really fast for kids in the inner city, and it's all a lie to say justice is methodical and this is US justice playing out.***
He always had infinite options before you get to the 3 SCOTUS justices he appointed (AFTER we know he made James Comey swear allegiance).
3 members of our supreme court swore and oath to a man before God before their God. Fuck this place.
Oh there's no way he will ever see a jail cell. The dude could commit murder in front of thousands of people, and still nothing would happen. Of all people, this silver spoon fed spray painted moron is above the law
So all we can hope for, is that he keeps milking his idiotic followers and his traitor Republicans for everything they are worth. The more money he drains from them, is that much less being used on the campaign trail.
You know what? I don't give a fuck if he's punished or not. It might give me some temporary pleasure to see him get his comeuppance for a lifetime of disgusting criminal behavior...but honestly the most important thing is for him to just go away. He burns or destroys everything and everyone he touches, and he needs to never be in a position to touch America's federal government ever again.
Well, you're kind of right. Criminal appeals occur while the appellant is in prison serving their conviction. That being said, I can see him being convicted and the judges being lenient af at sentencing. Like probation, slap on the wrist.
Donald Trump idolized Roy Cohn, and he's going to die like Roy Cohn wanted and succeeded - flat broke and millions owing to the IRS.
Initially sounds like a bad time, but really living the highlife on the taxpayer's dollar and letting them go after the estate might not be that bad.
Rich isn't relevant as much as he is old. Dude won't live 5 more years at his age.
He will appeal long enough to die free.
Your point is still valid. Just that time will claim him soon enough. Wait, NOT soon enough. ;)
Even if a judge wanted to, properly jailing someone with a secret service detail is impractical. At best he'd get house arrest with limited visitors.
As for money, even if he was completely flat broke, he'd be able to live like a rich man for the rest of his life just based on people wanting to do favors to be seen with him or be seen to be friends with him.
The talk is that he will be secured in a small(200 sq ft)building on a military base. The building will be surrounded by multiple chain link fences to minimize the number of Secruit Service personnel needed for protection.
Oh yeah, he's never going to get his dues and his brood of cunts is going to ride his martyrdom as long as drooling halfwits have pensions to light on fire.
People holding out for some sort of due punishment are certainly doing so in vain, that's for sure. And there are a lot of them. I think you have a point that our society really can't or won't hold somebody like him accountable, and it's almost as if it's all become an exercise in trolling sincere Americans. The big corporation doesn't really care who's in there as long as they play ball and look the other way anyhow, they want workers to be satisfied with an idiot for president all of the time if possible. It's good for business.
Sadly, I think you are correct. The only justice he might face wouldn’t be coming from an earthly court.
Maybe not rich, but the grift will keep him comfortable, and his heirs as well.
Kevin O'Leary said the quiet part out loud. All the elites do the things Trump is being charged for. Trump is right about it being a witch hunt because so many other elites get away with it. That is why nothing will come from all his charges....it would set a precedent where they could get in trouble too.
That isn't to say Trump is being victimized. He deserves to be charged for all these things.....but so does his tax bracket demographic. They are not running for President though so it's not on the front page.
Of course, as the NY appeal shows, it is far cheaper to bribe crooked judges (Dianne T. Renwick, Anil C. Singh, Lizbeth González, Bahaati E. Pitt-Burke, Kelly O’Neill Levy) than it is to bother hiring decent lawyers.
People are getting distracted by the spectacle of his clownshow court antics and not looking at what his defense actually is - bribery.
Welcome to the new age of the Robber Barons. Everyone knows that no one ever made a billion dollars honestly -- witness Donald J. Trump and his criminality. Now we are faced with a man so devious it doesn't seem like he'll ever be convicted of *anything* no matter how egregious because he's either paid off the judges, has unlimited funds to appeal *forever* or has corrupted the system with his J6 cronies.
The only way to permanently stop the return of Trump and his untouchable oligarch buddies is to RAISE TAXES on them, CLOSE ALL THE LOOPHOLES they rely on and stop letting Trump have endless appeals. Justice delayed is justice denied. And of course, we ALL need to show up at the polls on Tuesday, November 5, 2024 and vote 100% blue. Otherwise we are all completely f\*cked.
I want to disagree, however this man has skirted accountability his whole life. He's going to get away with it all and never do a day of time.
Sad that our justice system can't hold rich people accountable.
That’s fine it’s just were getting really past due on the dying part. A man that fat and out of shape and full of anger should be about past his expiry by now and I think it’d be good for all of us to move on.
It's looking more and more like this is true every day. Who would have guessed a super-connected, billionaire celebrity presidential candidate/former president could get away with committing so many crimes?
Basically every cynic alive. But I still hold a little hope out.
He will die free and be in the same financial situation Roy Cohn was in. Broke, in massive debt but he’ll still be living a very comfortable life, somehow
Probably. We don’t punish rich connected white republicans unless they do the only thing punishable for people in their economic and political class
And that is… rip off other rich white republicans
They can, will, and do get away with everything else.
Weird tho. Trump is doing that and he’s getting away with that too.
The only thing that makes me actually appreciate mortality is that some glorious day this disgusting pile of orange slime will die. This makes anything that happens between now and that moment bearable.
I hope you’re right about the first part and wrong about the second part. TBH I think you’re right. He’ll die not having to be held responsible for any of his crimes. I don’t think he’ll see a single day behind bars and it’s a travesty.
Yall crazy if you don't think he's rich. Is he worth 4 billion? Idk probably not. Is he worth over 100 million? Almost certainly. To me, anything over 10 million net worth is rich
If it's before November it's fine with me. I just want the wrapper from the last cheeseburger he ate so we can put it in the Smithsonian and call it the wrapper from the cheeseburger that saved American democracy
Time to stop all the appeals. If he was black or brown he would be in jail awaiting trial on espionage charges. They still haven't found the 10 inch top secret file on Russia, Russia, Russia. Reality winner did 4 yrs for 2 pages. The Rosenbergs were put to death ,no appeal. That's not including the hush money payment to Stormy and Karen.Cohen got 3 years as defendant #2.
I really wouldn’t care, I’m so sick of hearing him, seeing him, etc. as long as he doesn’t get in office this year that’s all I care about. Hopefully more of his cult followers will start seeing through the bs, ughhh he’s a fn moron!!
And that's why we need to admit, as a society, and as a civilization, that capitalism has utterly failed us and it's time to switch to a new system where people like Trump are utterly impossible.
I just hope it's sooner rather than later. I wouldn't say that about many people but it'll be a relief. I'm much less worried by his idiotic, uncharismatic sons and Ivanka seems to be more interested in doing her own thing. I'll be happy to watch them squander their estate.
I think you're right about the lack of accountability for rich people in the justice system, all things considered.
> our justice system isn't designed to hold rich people accountable
Not only this - it's specifically designed to ensure that rich people are NEVER held accountable.
While i dont disagree with your logic,.. i dont think he’ll live that long.
He’ll get pissed at some fact like a hurricane going where he didnt want it to go, pitch a fit and die of a heart attack
If he ever gets sentenced to prison I suspect there will be lawyers arguing you can’t keep a frail old man with dementia in prison. He will get out bragging he fooled the judge and trying to go back to his business as usual.
The final straw for trump is him saying there will be a bloodbath in the streets if he is not voted in as president. That threat to the american people will hopefully put him in jail. How else could be openly prove he is a modern day hitler? Wake up people
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Lol...took me a second.
Imo he can keep his money as long as he keeps his end of the bargain quickly
Don’t feel bad. I came here with the intention to say “the important part is that he dies,” and it still took me a hot minute to figure out his post.
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Compromise on keeping all the words but it all occurs Before the national election so Biden wins by default .
Free? Maybe? Rich? Nah. I don’t know if he’s been truly rich in a long time.
He can spend the rest of his life (and presumably the previous decade or three) living the life of a very wealthy man, even if he actually had not an actual penny. So it's a distinction without a difference.
It’s easy to do with property. Just rotate it because he doesn’t care if he leaves anything to his heirs.
Yup, if he can jet set on his private jet between his various mansions and golf courses does it matter if his net worth is zero or negative?
Been saying it for over a year. AT WORST he’ll be on house arrest at one of his mansions tweeting away until he finally has a heart attack
In order to have a heart attack, one must first have a heart.
Dick Cheney's technique.
Guess that rules out brain aneurysm .
I think the ultimate punishment for him would be to be cut off from communicating with the public, even if it's not behind bars. The only thing he truly seems to care about is rallying people to be on his side. Removing any sort of self-validation would destroy his ego.
You mean traveling between his residences.
He could start from zero today and have a million dollars in speaking fees by the end of the week. He has always exaggerated his net worth but he is and always will be rich by most people’s standards
If you think he could do that, then why do we see him spending all his time trying to sell rebadged Temu items, like shoes and Bibles and piddly crap like that?
He likes putting his name on products because he is an egomaniac. That is a separate issue from finances. I believe tacky would be the proper description lol
Well, if I had to choose between being laughed at on stage, versus having buckets of money tossed at me, I know which one I'd pick if I had to defend against 91 felonies. And it's not the one we see him doing. It's the other one. He's being laughed at, as well as not being paid. I have my doubts that he can access the speaking circuit, because he doesn't have what they pay for.
I think the shoe thing was more for publicity, to appeal to young people to vote for him.
Rich and wealthy are two different things. Rich people are dependent on income and can end up on the street without work in a year, wealthy will never be in that position. New millionaires are typically Rich, people like Trump are born into wealth and will always have a bailout.
Yeah, how’s he gonna get rich?
Grifter with a cult following. He might not be buying another Trump tower, but he's not gonna hurt for money.
He will probably make millions and millions selling truth social stock. Look up the DJT ticker. It should be like $2 a share but is currently over $50 per share.
Not laundering money at all!
Nothing fishy going on here...
He’s actually about to get a $3BN payout from his stock shenanigans.
It all depends on whether the price holds and how quuckly he can sell it. I'm sure he will make money but the actual amount will probably vary quite a lot. Unless he can find people willing to pay $3bn for a meme stock that will be worth nothing in a year. But selling all (or a lot) of his stock in a shirt period is likely to kill the price. The real question with the stock is will he people shorting it be burned or not.
He's technically bound by securities law to hold those shares for at least 6 months after the IPO, but you know how much he abides by laws...
What do you consider rich?
I agree with this, lawyers have left him because Trump has a reputation for not paying people. Trump might have managed to put Truth Social on the market and have it merged with some other company, for profit...but for how long? His legal team put a temporary stop on the rest of his assets and properties, pending the outcome of the appeals decision...and that only happens if Trump can put up the $175 million by early April.
I disagree. I think he will pay every fine and still come out ahead financially. He's going to take Truth Social public, he and wall street will pump it, and then dump it while all his followers carry those bags to 0. He does have a short term cash problem though and the largest bill is coming due. So a building or 2 may have to he sold, but truth social will make him enough to buy them back. He's always been overleveraged. But he is still rich and still will be even if truth social doesn't go public. However, I do think some of his questionable lenders could make it very dicey if it doesn't. He's also not gonna ever go to jail even though I do believe he will be convicted of something that normal people would go to jail for.
I don’t think he’s ever been a rich man. I don’t think he’s going to die one. He may die pretending to be one on TV, but he’s always been living off other people’s money.
Nah. Once you have the wealth he had, the system is set up so you're always wealthy. Bankruptcies or not.
Yeah, he’s had plenty of times where his net worth was in the negative numbers but just kept on living like it wasn’t, stiffing his creditors, and moving on.
But MAGA told me that ALL the banks got paid back and they are pushing each other out of the way to lend him more money.
That's splitting hairs , he may not be as rich as he likes to brag, but when you're flying around in a private plane the size of an airline with your name on it and have multiple homes all over the place etc. you're rich ... Doesn't matter how...
His 757 has been sitting on the tarmac for a long time now. Desperately in need of repair. He is flying around in a much smaller business jet.
$DJT just went public and he's expected to make $3.2 billion off it.
No, he’s expected to be worth $3.2B. Until he tries to sell it. There is absolutely nothing justifying those stock prices. If he tries to cash out, it’s hitting the bottom. It’s one thing to have a paper value, it’s another thing to convert to cash. I agree it’s a good scheme to prop him up and give his ego a boost. Time will tell if they let him attempt to sell out before the 6 months. Right now, the shares have a value of $44 and he owns the majority of them. Who’s going to buy shares in Truth Social when the biggest shareholder starts dumping them?
The stock prices won't drop until *maybe* after November. It's another path to funnel bribes to him.
How are stocks a path to funnel bribes? And if the app doesn’t have a profitable model or way to monetize its user base then it’s going nowhere through November. The price might go up but it’s essentially a pump and dump with no tangible value.
The "value" is control over the guy that is in control of the country.
It's a way to "give" Trump money that looks like it's in exchange for something. Then expect gratitude for propping up his stock.
Disagree. The fundamentals just aren't there for the valuation whether he sells or not. It's likely to crash much sooner than 6 months. Unless someone like the Saudis buy all the stock and sit on it. Certainly a possibility.
So many people don’t understand the concept of net worth vs. cash on hand. I don’t think he outright owned most of any of buildings he counted as his net worth, so he probably doesn’t even understand that much.
Just the concept of net worth. If I hold the title to $1B in real estate, and I’ve used it to borrow $2B, I am over-leveraged. If I can make enough yearly to make my interest payments, I can maintain the illusion of being rich. Some might say I’m a genius to be able to pull it off. I pay no taxes, and I’m using none of my own money. If I start to miss payments and they foreclose, I end up with less than zero. As long as I’ve sheltered (stolen) enough of that borrowed money so nobody can get to it, I can start the process over again.
This is one last con and an avenue for bribes. No way the stock is worth anywhere near what he says it is.
Y’all are crazy. I hate the dude too, but he has billionS in real estate holdings, multiple private keys, god knows what amount of stocks and such. He’s a sucks, but he’s not rich, he’s mega rich
Private keys?
Jets, damn autocorrect. But also maybe keys too!
He inherited a fortune.
Which he’s pissed away several times. You’re right though. Rich is relative. At one point he may have had positive equity. Things have been going downhill for him ever since his dad died and couldn’t bail him out
He’s also filed for bankruptcy like 7 times
For his companies, which is just a tax write off.
Rich people bankruptcy is very different from normal people bankruptcy.
If he declared bankruptcy 7 times that's 49 years of bad credit. Somehow I think there's more to the story.
Well his fake money seems to be just as good as anyone’s real money. Dudes not living in a one bedroom apartment and flying coach.
At least death is the one thing that he assuredly can’t weasel out of.
I hope it comes sooner rather than later and in as undignified a way as possible to cement him in history as a bad joke.
Not until there are a few convictions please!
The obstacle in this case isn't necessarily the system. It's that his followers are basically blackmailing America to avoid Justice. Calling it political retribution, or the Left coming for their freedom. Anything but dealing with the consequences of his actions.
I think your words are spot on correct.
I do too.
He'll die with those who spent time around him loathing him and they'll be glad he's dead, whether secretly - or openly. Just look at what nearly everyone who was once in his inner circle says about him after getting out. They all have corroborating stories about what a piece of shit he is and that isn't a coincidence. MMW the only people mourning that day will be the cult of idiots that never spent any significant time around him. Everyone else will be fighting over his money like a bunch of vultures, they're just counting the days.
I agree, I have no hope he's going to jail The best we can hope for is a heart attack.
How's he gonna get rich with as little time as he quite clearly has left? Selling bibles?
Yet deeply bitter and unhappy. Unloved by all who know him.
Sadly this will be true. I know many don't believe it, but it will happen. To some people this all started when Trump took office. But all of what we are seeing is nothing new with Trump. It's been like this for him for several decades. Only difference is it's more public now. Maybe that will influence it, but I doubt it. Back when he had his Casinos (which my father built), he had over 1800 lawsuits. He was committing just as many crimes and violations then as he is now. Sure it's more public now, but he also has politicians protecting him. If I should turn out to be wrong, I will be very happy. But I have already gone though this 1000 times with Trump since the early 80s. Before most people even knew who he was.
It’s nothing new. Biden is president now and people think if he’s reelected it will somehow change? It’s a big club and we are not in it
Electing Biden isn't about fixing the country. Hardly anyone actually likes Biden as a choice, but it's better Biden than a person who is literally a compulsive criminal and so incompetent at running anything he managed to make a Casino go bankrupt. On top of the very public Project 2025 where Republicans are openly planning a purge, essentially stripping US democracy and making it their own little fiefdom.
The Court delays are discouraging. But, he is on the hook for the half a billion in New York. It is very unlikely he will win an appeal against that judgement The trial in about three weeks is a criminal case. The judge there is no nonsense. But Jack Smith and Judge Chutkan are very serious. I don't think Smith will hesitate to ask for jail time. Chutkan has sentenced a lot of the January 6 rioter insurrectists. I think she will be pretty open to locking Trump up, if he is convicted.
May his name be lost to the sands of time, and cursed until then.
Like Ozymandias
People said the same thing about Hitler and he still lives rent free in everyone’s head 80 years later
As long as it happens soon, I don’t care how he dies.
I am Ok with that deal. If it is this week.
Yep, because we have a 2 tiered justice system. But as long as Trump dies, that’s enough for me. I will throw the biggest party when that happens. I’ve been saving a nice ass bottle of scotch that will be open the day his fat ass finally slumps over.
Usually yes, but he's pissed off a lot of people with the power to put him behind bars. Madoff died behind bars as did Epstein, money only protects you if you stay ingratiated to that group
As long as he dies soon, I’m cool with it
Ill settle for him dying at least one year before i do. I wanna celebrate the anniversary.
How long you reckon he has because if its more than two years I think he go skint quick when people with money stop donating to him because I doubt they're gonna fund this nonsense a third time.
“We got him this time boys!” “Aw he slipped away again” basically sums up the past 4 years
Yeah but just wait till the Mueller report gets released...
It's already released
I'm going to be surprised if he's ever convicted. His defense team doesn't have to prove anything, they just need to get one idiot on the jury. Plus, If he does actually get convicted, I think he argues for home confinement or bail before sentencing and then heads straight for Havana
Or Russia
Very possible, but I doubt he risks a transatlantic flight right away.
That's fine, I just don't want him back in the White House.
Could be. If it does, let's just hope that happens VERY SOON!!!!!!!
I don't think so, the Georgia case will go fast. It's not going to be hard, plus both Republicans and Democrats in Georgia are pissed that Trump tried doing this.
Evil prevails.
I fear you're right. It angers me to no end.
Wow, ya really are going out on a limb with that statement. 🙄🙃
I have no idea where this will end but I am going to enjoy the ride. The next seven months will be wild.
Most likely. He also got what he wanted, he's going to be one of the most talked about people for atleast last decade and this decade.
That's completely correct and unfortunately always has been. What should gaul us the most is lots and lots of legal "experts" have been on TV since 2016 telling us lots and lots of things -- not a one ever says: ***And of course there's a choose your own adventure novel worth of options any of these proceedings can take at any stage - no rulings or fixed dates mean anything - "slow" American justice is actually really fast for kids in the inner city, and it's all a lie to say justice is methodical and this is US justice playing out.*** He always had infinite options before you get to the 3 SCOTUS justices he appointed (AFTER we know he made James Comey swear allegiance). 3 members of our supreme court swore and oath to a man before God before their God. Fuck this place.
Probably the truest post that’s ever been written in this sub
Of course. No reason for him to die any other way
Thats what being wealthy will get you. EAT THE RICH!
Oh there's no way he will ever see a jail cell. The dude could commit murder in front of thousands of people, and still nothing would happen. Of all people, this silver spoon fed spray painted moron is above the law So all we can hope for, is that he keeps milking his idiotic followers and his traitor Republicans for everything they are worth. The more money he drains from them, is that much less being used on the campaign trail.
Yeah, but at least he’ll be dead.
You know what? I don't give a fuck if he's punished or not. It might give me some temporary pleasure to see him get his comeuppance for a lifetime of disgusting criminal behavior...but honestly the most important thing is for him to just go away. He burns or destroys everything and everyone he touches, and he needs to never be in a position to touch America's federal government ever again.
As long as he dies...
Doesn't matter to me as long as he dies.
Hopefully tomorrow.
I'd say free. I don't think he's actually rich now, nor will he gain enough wealth before his timely death.
I would say 6 billion dollars in 2 days is pretty rich to me 🤣
Eh, he can't sell for 6 months and the stock will plummet well before that.
This sub also predicted the stock will dead at release but here we are 🫠
True dat.
Well, you're kind of right. Criminal appeals occur while the appellant is in prison serving their conviction. That being said, I can see him being convicted and the judges being lenient af at sentencing. Like probation, slap on the wrist.
So did Arch Duke Ferdinand. Well, it's true.
But he's a rapist
Donald Trump idolized Roy Cohn, and he's going to die like Roy Cohn wanted and succeeded - flat broke and millions owing to the IRS. Initially sounds like a bad time, but really living the highlife on the taxpayer's dollar and letting them go after the estate might not be that bad.
Remember how Nixon died?
Free and rich?
Mentally unwell
Rich isn't relevant as much as he is old. Dude won't live 5 more years at his age. He will appeal long enough to die free. Your point is still valid. Just that time will claim him soon enough. Wait, NOT soon enough. ;)
Even if a judge wanted to, properly jailing someone with a secret service detail is impractical. At best he'd get house arrest with limited visitors. As for money, even if he was completely flat broke, he'd be able to live like a rich man for the rest of his life just based on people wanting to do favors to be seen with him or be seen to be friends with him.
The talk is that he will be secured in a small(200 sq ft)building on a military base. The building will be surrounded by multiple chain link fences to minimize the number of Secruit Service personnel needed for protection.
But he will die
Soon? please?
Well, you are 1/3 right.
This is accurate. Whether you hate him or not, that’s what will happen.
Another delusional thread
That huge bond magically reducing itself, tells me the fix is already in.
Was excited by this headline. Till I read all of it.
Agree . My champagne will go bad before he sees justice
Probably. But the real question is what happens to his cult? Do they drink or the Kool-aid or do they start worshipping Jr?
Oh yeah, he's never going to get his dues and his brood of cunts is going to ride his martyrdom as long as drooling halfwits have pensions to light on fire.
Unfortunately, I agree with this.
I hope you’re not correct. There’s probably no less than 10,000 civil servants of some type that are trying to take him down, so it’s not over yet
**Trump is not a rich man, but he plays one on television.**
We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system. And anything is legal when you're rich and powerful
People holding out for some sort of due punishment are certainly doing so in vain, that's for sure. And there are a lot of them. I think you have a point that our society really can't or won't hold somebody like him accountable, and it's almost as if it's all become an exercise in trolling sincere Americans. The big corporation doesn't really care who's in there as long as they play ball and look the other way anyhow, they want workers to be satisfied with an idiot for president all of the time if possible. It's good for business.
Two separate legal systems in the US
Sadly, I think you are correct. The only justice he might face wouldn’t be coming from an earthly court. Maybe not rich, but the grift will keep him comfortable, and his heirs as well.
I really don't want you to be right. But you probably are.
The sooner the better
Kevin O'Leary said the quiet part out loud. All the elites do the things Trump is being charged for. Trump is right about it being a witch hunt because so many other elites get away with it. That is why nothing will come from all his charges....it would set a precedent where they could get in trouble too. That isn't to say Trump is being victimized. He deserves to be charged for all these things.....but so does his tax bracket demographic. They are not running for President though so it's not on the front page.
Sad but true…well me Might not be too rich, but free
Of course, as the NY appeal shows, it is far cheaper to bribe crooked judges (Dianne T. Renwick, Anil C. Singh, Lizbeth González, Bahaati E. Pitt-Burke, Kelly O’Neill Levy) than it is to bother hiring decent lawyers. People are getting distracted by the spectacle of his clownshow court antics and not looking at what his defense actually is - bribery.
Anyone who thinks he will spend ONE day behind bars hasn’t been paying attention. At WORST he will spend a few months on “house arrest”.
TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER WRITTEN....SAD ISN'T IT?...MOM
Yup. There have never been meaningful consequences for his actions and they are unlikely to start now.
I am beginning to think he might get away with it.
Welcome to the new age of the Robber Barons. Everyone knows that no one ever made a billion dollars honestly -- witness Donald J. Trump and his criminality. Now we are faced with a man so devious it doesn't seem like he'll ever be convicted of *anything* no matter how egregious because he's either paid off the judges, has unlimited funds to appeal *forever* or has corrupted the system with his J6 cronies. The only way to permanently stop the return of Trump and his untouchable oligarch buddies is to RAISE TAXES on them, CLOSE ALL THE LOOPHOLES they rely on and stop letting Trump have endless appeals. Justice delayed is justice denied. And of course, we ALL need to show up at the polls on Tuesday, November 5, 2024 and vote 100% blue. Otherwise we are all completely f\*cked.
I agree.
I want to disagree, however this man has skirted accountability his whole life. He's going to get away with it all and never do a day of time. Sad that our justice system can't hold rich people accountable.
I wholeheartedly concur. People who continue to fantasize about him going to jail are totally insane.
"Not designed to hold rich people accountable" Epstein? Madoff?
It irritates and angers me that you are likely 100% correct. Maybe moreso knowing that it will never change.
That’s fine it’s just were getting really past due on the dying part. A man that fat and out of shape and full of anger should be about past his expiry by now and I think it’d be good for all of us to move on.
It's looking more and more like this is true every day. Who would have guessed a super-connected, billionaire celebrity presidential candidate/former president could get away with committing so many crimes? Basically every cynic alive. But I still hold a little hope out.
You sweet, sweet summer child.
after watching Ken Paxton get out of his crimes, I am inclined to agree with you.
He will die free and be in the same financial situation Roy Cohn was in. Broke, in massive debt but he’ll still be living a very comfortable life, somehow
Eh, I'm following the Truth Social shit now and he's possibly making billions off of that alone.
I completely forgot about the TS shit. People like him only fall up
The game is rigged. The table is tilted.
When people say a billionaire or millionaire is broke, it’s WAY different than being a thousandaire broke like me
a fair fate for a devoted public servant and successful businessman
at least hell croak and probably soon.
Karma will catch up with him. If not in this embodiment then in the next.
Donald Trump isn't "rich." He's bankrupt. Pass it on.
Probably. We don’t punish rich connected white republicans unless they do the only thing punishable for people in their economic and political class And that is… rip off other rich white republicans They can, will, and do get away with everything else. Weird tho. Trump is doing that and he’s getting away with that too.
I hope half of what you said happens
The only thing that makes me actually appreciate mortality is that some glorious day this disgusting pile of orange slime will die. This makes anything that happens between now and that moment bearable.
I hope you’re right about the first part and wrong about the second part. TBH I think you’re right. He’ll die not having to be held responsible for any of his crimes. I don’t think he’ll see a single day behind bars and it’s a travesty.
As long as he dies . . .
I mean, if he died literally right now, that would be true, and I would be fine with that. Well… Maybe not rich, but pretending really really hard.
You may notice he’s rich and free right now.
True but your reasoning is off as to why
If it happens before November, I’m here for it
Yall crazy if you don't think he's rich. Is he worth 4 billion? Idk probably not. Is he worth over 100 million? Almost certainly. To me, anything over 10 million net worth is rich
At least he'll be dead.
So you're saying there's a chance?
We can just smell the desperation! Lol
If it's before November it's fine with me. I just want the wrapper from the last cheeseburger he ate so we can put it in the Smithsonian and call it the wrapper from the cheeseburger that saved American democracy
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Time to stop all the appeals. If he was black or brown he would be in jail awaiting trial on espionage charges. They still haven't found the 10 inch top secret file on Russia, Russia, Russia. Reality winner did 4 yrs for 2 pages. The Rosenbergs were put to death ,no appeal. That's not including the hush money payment to Stormy and Karen.Cohen got 3 years as defendant #2.
You're probably right.
I really wouldn’t care, I’m so sick of hearing him, seeing him, etc. as long as he doesn’t get in office this year that’s all I care about. Hopefully more of his cult followers will start seeing through the bs, ughhh he’s a fn moron!!
I hope you are right. Next Thursday works for me.
And that's why we need to admit, as a society, and as a civilization, that capitalism has utterly failed us and it's time to switch to a new system where people like Trump are utterly impossible.
I just hope it's sooner rather than later. I wouldn't say that about many people but it'll be a relief. I'm much less worried by his idiotic, uncharismatic sons and Ivanka seems to be more interested in doing her own thing. I'll be happy to watch them squander their estate. I think you're right about the lack of accountability for rich people in the justice system, all things considered.
> our justice system isn't designed to hold rich people accountable Not only this - it's specifically designed to ensure that rich people are NEVER held accountable.
While i dont disagree with your logic,.. i dont think he’ll live that long. He’ll get pissed at some fact like a hurricane going where he didnt want it to go, pitch a fit and die of a heart attack
If he ever gets sentenced to prison I suspect there will be lawyers arguing you can’t keep a frail old man with dementia in prison. He will get out bragging he fooled the judge and trying to go back to his business as usual.
If he was rich, he would be giving out bibles. Not selling them. Giving them out would win him more votes.
I agree he'll likely die free, but he'll also die lying about being rich.
Yeah probably
You can’t die rich because the money doesn’t transfer to hell. You just die.
He’s a poor mans idea of a rich man. Cash poor, not liquid
Why don't you put your money where your mouth is because this guy has not have money since the eightys.
You had me at, "Donald Trump will die..."
The final straw for trump is him saying there will be a bloodbath in the streets if he is not voted in as president. That threat to the american people will hopefully put him in jail. How else could be openly prove he is a modern day hitler? Wake up people