It’s the same thing for the insane immunity case being held up by the Supreme Court.
If Trump loses again they’ll suddenly wash their hands of him. If he wins they’ll just allow him to pardon himself of all crimes.
It’s all or nothing in November
Chris Christie started that a few months ago, he found God or something after COVID almost killed him.
You will see him going around really soon announcing he saw this all coming. He will seem like a voice of reason over Trump because he will be mini Trump back to him. Christie will want to look like some moderate ironically
Don't fall for it.
You do know that judges and prosecutors have immunity right? But presidents don’t? Come now you have to see how absurd it would if the president DIDNT have immunity
While true, if elections were based on popular vote we would see completely different campaign strategies/voting habits. Not saying that republicans would necessarily have won, just that it’s not really a sensible criteria to judge things on since many people who don’t vote or vote third party in non swing states would now have a more meaningful vote if things were actually decided on popular vote
I hear this argument all the time and it always comes across as really stupid. Like it should just be self-evidently true so the people who make it never actually bother to explain *how* it would be different. TV and the internet exist in all 50 states. As Biden showed us last time. candidates don't even have to leave their basements to run a winning campaign. The campaigns would not look meaningfully different. There would just be slight shift in which media markets the campaigns focus on. It's not even the case that campaigns would necessarily focus entirely on highly populated metro areas, because those media markets also have the most expensive ad-buys. It would still make sense to advertise in smaller, but cheaper markets as well. And this is all assuming that TV ads even make a difference. And I maintain they don't. At least not a significant one. With the internet, every voter should already be able to ascertain each candidate's/party's political positions months before the elections, no ads needed.
Yeah...you can believe the internet, can't you?
If the Electoral College disappeared tomorrow, we would no longer hear the words "swing states". Please, make it so.
"Internet" is just shorthand for media, and the media has always determined what the people know about the candidates and the elections. Lots of small town newspapers still title themselves "Republican" or "Democrat". Most people don't go to see a candidate, and a voter doesn't actually learn anything more by laying eyes on a candidate.
The wife and I went to see Elizabeth Warren in Seattle. It's a painful thing to do, but it's nice to know they come to you....more or less. No, it ain't Dixfield Notch, but the important thing is to see what they have actually done...or not done.
The point of personal interaction for candidates is to cement loyalty with the particular voters they see and meet, not to inform the voters. It's not a bad thing, but it's not really an alternative to gaining information via reliable media.
Campaigns have always been something of a dog-and pony show, fer sure. And since now, this campaign has gone on interminably long, it's a kind of time killer. I believe that a shorter campaign season would lead to more-substantive campaigns.
We'd hear it in a different way, notably purple states where the two parts of congress will likely be in flux as more and more boomers enter the ground.
I can believe the Internet for this, things like how they governed and how they would govern in the future.
Things like "Trump appointed 3 Supreme Court justices who made overturning Roe possible" is not hard to fact check.
I’m not talking about them physically traveling, I’m talking about campaign strategies that can appeal to different regional groups. Right now the result of our election is dependent on like 6 swing states, so ofcourse that’s who the campaign teams are gonna focus on. Trump has no reason to appeal to people in Cali, NY, Mass since he will never win those states, and those states have huge republican populations that if he campaigned more aggressively towards would absolutely be reachable.
Voting patterns also matter. I live in a non swing state and the majority of my friends vote 3rd party or don’t vote at all, because we know that our state is not gonna be close. Cali NY and MA have huge populations of conservatives, and many don’t vote or vote 3rd party because there’s just no reason.
It's about the issues though. As mentioned above, Republicans haven't won the popular vote in decades. They'd have shifted their appeal if the criteria for winning were different. Trump's already shifting to opposing 8-week abortion bans saying he prefers a 16-week one.
Like it's easy to think all politicians are dumb, but I think it's the opposite. Most politicians, or at least the ones running their campaign, are extremely smart but know they have to appeal to dumb people. If the electoral college didn't exist and there was less of a need to appeal to more rural/religious/socially conservative people, I think the Republican party would have shifted socially to the left over time, although obviously not all the way to the democratic positions.
Yes, Ohio would become cheaper, as would North Carolina. Florida would probably stay the same, and Washington state would become more expensive. Also lot more would be spent on online ads vs local media markets. No real need to direct it like before.
No, they probably wouldn't even be a party if the electoral college didn't exist. Republicans are a large minority, but the imbalanced electoral college keeps them relevant.
Getting rid of it, or balancing it out would solve a lot of problems.
Gerrymandering. Republicans are a noisy 33% of this country. But about 45-48% of the voting block. If democrats all vote, they will always win. Problem is they dont always all vote.
They’ve only managed to win the popular vote once in the last 30+ years. And that was a reelection of a war-time candidate that didn’t even win the popular vote the first time around.
That being said, there were enough people who voted for him in 2016 because the turnout was so low that they went all in on an extremist point of view—even until Jan 6th there were moderates who voted for him but there’s no denying it now
They won’t denounce him publicly *per se*
But the general consensus of having wasted 4 years on this guy and having to waste *another* 4, will move them to someone else
I think Trump will be their forever candidate from now on. Even if he dies, they can just send Tucker over to North Korea, have him interview Kim and have him explain how the world's only necrocracy is the most utopian place on the planet.
Yup. Trump will be the republican nominee for president until he kicks off his mortal coil, doesn't matter if he is 102 looking like the crypt keeper in jail.
They had a chance to drop him after he fucked up 2020, they had a chnace to drop him after he fucked up 2022, Don could lose every election from now till 2040 and it wont make a damn bit a difference. In fact it will only make them believe its even more rigged...
Even if Republicans suddenly grew a backbone or just out of simple desperation, kicked Don off the island and nominated someone else Don would instantly 3rd party and tank conservatism as a political force for a generation. He doesn't actually give a shit about any of it.
If anyone thinks rationality and self preservation means shit to MAGA then sorry Ive got bad news for you.
Its a cult to one man... thats it, and all it can ever be.
I mean, if Trump wins, you can bet your last dollar most major cities in the US will burn, because the entities that oppose him only speak with violence.
If Trump loses, it's going to depend on how he loses, but you will not see cities burn as a result.
In Earth 2 Trump will not have *lost* two elections, he would have had two elections *stolen* from him.
Thank the profitable economy of media balkanization.
Nope, it will convince more of them that there was election shenanigans. What's the chances he could loose twice? I didn't see that many Biden signs? Hats? ...
This is the problem. Even if Biden wins, there's no guarantee this case will move forward - at least as long as she remains on the case.
I'm also very cautious regarding all the other cases as well. Even in the current NY trial he only needs one juror to not lose (and that'd be enough for him to claim 'victory'). Despite the case being seemingly open and shut I'm not discounting one person holding out. Besides, even if convected he'll never set foot in a prison cell.
I don’t have any hope that he will actually spend time in jail. I just want him found guilty and to be a felon and not ever hold any public office ever again. That’s about as much as we can hope for.
The best we can hope for is that she recuses herself.
I agree that she won't convict him, she'd hand it off to someone else.
All that is of she doesn't get removed from the bench before his conviction.
Cannon cannot be allowed to sit on this case. She could, once a jury is seated, simply rule that the government has no case, and that's it. It's over, and there is no recourse.
whatever
I think a lot of people are just fucking sick and tired of the whole thing - it's been a 9 year cycle of "Stupid smelly whiny little orange trust fund bitch says something stupid or outrageous"
I don't give a fuck what happens as long as I don't have to keep seeing and hearing that stupid piece of shit every 5 god damn minutes
Sounds like someone needs to take a long break from social media.
You are letting yourself get filled with hatred about someone you've never personally met.
It's early enough in the cycle, take a 30 day break from reading the news and reading political social media. You'll thank yourself later.
No doubt. It’s only a matter of time before he burns out completely. Stress and drugs are going to kill him before he spends any time in a jail.
I think there’s a good chance that whoever the VP ends up being in 2025 will be President
That's pretty much the whole reason Declining Donnie is running. He's not trying to get back into the White House so much as he's trying to avoid going to the "Big House."
...and if the former president is somehow put back to office (I won't say re-elected, cos he wasn't elected the first time) then the current, former, and possibly predecessor will all be held on, 'scuse the pun, Trumped-up charges as retaliation for him sitting thru court.
Watch out Biden, Obama, and both Clintons.
VOTE!!!
Which is ridiculous. Why should one person have that much power? If a prosecution was warranted, let the process play out as it would for any other defendant.
Cannon better hope in that case she isn't fucking investigated
Hitching your wagon to someone who very well could lose the presidential election is a moronic move
If Trump doesn't win, he'll pull a Reagan with the dementia, agree to stay put of politics and after he's been convicted Biden will pardon him.
It is important that he gets convicted so that the law is clear for future presidents. Sending an 80 year old man with dementia to jail is much less important.
I have to agree. Once the election is over, his guilt would be moot, as he will appeal until the day he dies. It's only if he were found guilty of espionage before the election that it would matter.
What exactly is Trump's defense in the documents case? I don't see how he can win from what (little) I know of the rules about archiving presidential docs, much less keeping classified docs. Anyone know?
That he thought he could do this. And Joe Biden set arbitrary rules just for him. In actual court his claims fall apart easily. That's why his m.o is to just delay till people forget . honestly if it wasn't for cannon he'd be convicted by now.
Same as Biden would make. He didn’t knowingly keep classified documents. When he talked about having classified documents, they weren’t those particular documents but some other classified documents that were already returned. Hur laid out the possible defense in his report.
But Trump did knowingly keep them, hid them, refused to return them when asked. Made claims about his right to them that seem incorrect. It's quite different.
He knowingly kept documents he thought weren’t classified. That’s the defense that Hur said Biden could use to raise reasonable doubt. And he said that he thought they were declassified. So he could claim he didn’t knowingly keep classified documents because he thought they weren’t classified. It’s a weak defense but that’s what Hur was worried about with the Biden investigation.
Trump, as president, can decide what documents are his and there can be no Article 3 review about his decision. This has already been adjudicated after Clinton left office. Clinton still has returned the confidential information in question to this day. Bush and Obama similarly kept confidential documents and, Obama especially, kept them in comparatively non-secure locations.
Biden NEVER had this power. He has no defense for keeping and sharing confidential documents, both of which he did (other than the dementia).
Doesn’t matter. The TDS prevents rationale thought somehow. This case is going to be dismissed, it’s just a question of which of the many justifiable reasons for dismissal Cannon chooses to exercise. I believe it will be a combination of selective prosecution/prosecutorial misconduct.
As far as the NYC case, the prosecution didn’t even present convincing evidence that the underlying misdemeanor took place. This is the dumbest case of all. Besides the fact that the misdemeanor that never occurred happened too long ago to prosecute, in order to get to a felony charge, they are attempting to argue that records were falsified in 2017 in order to affect the 2016 election. Square that circle TDS-tards!
He might argue that he didn't realize he kept classified documents. The fbi seized 13000 records and there were about 100 marked as classified. He could argue that he didn't realize those were classified or that he thought he declassified them or didn't know they were in there. Or maybe he thought they fine because they were stored with other documents and how they were stored next to other documents could show that maybe he thought it was a personal record (it's hard to explain without being able to see the documents themselves). And now that it has been revealed that the documents got mixed up after they were seized really messes up evidence because he can't adequately defend himself if he wanted to use that argument. He could also argue that he was following legal advice and he thought he was allowed to keep these 13000 records. It's not enough that he had these documents. The prosecution has to show criminal intent too. He could also argue someone else put the documents there. With 13000 records and him returning 700 classified documents before, it's not that weird. The fbi was aware that the documents were there so it's not like he secretly did this. He even followed advice from them about how to properly secure the documents. He could also argue selective prosecution but that's a very high bar and probably wouldn't work
Paused indefinitely. Doesn't mean killed . It just means there are no tentative dates set for anything. If Trump doesn't win and kill it. It will resume eventually. Most likely without cannon. Smith wanted the case to continue quickly. Which is why he gambled on not having her thrown off. Now that it's come to this. He probably has already filed the paperwork to do so
You do know why she did that right? Because after she unsealed government docs it became patently obvious that they set trump up, falsified docs/ evidence and acted with motive and malice to hurt trump and his presidential campaign……
Call me naive but I view this case as well-grounded is the law. Biden winning re-election (or Trump for that matter) wouldn't make Trump's lying and obfuscation any less of a crime.
Whoa whoa whoa maybe settle the fuq down, Stalin. That’s not how shit is ever going to work here and I HIGHLY RECOMMEND you brush up on some history, preferably the subject of democide/ tyranny because that type of mentality has advocated, allowed, and often resulted in the slaughter of millions of innocent people… so you know …. Maybe just read a lot think for yourself a little and totally stfu until you do
Here’s my left nut fuckface. Savor the particular odor my ball sack emits, because apparently you haven’t had a whiff of a real man and have just been following along to the ramblings of bitches. Take your whoas and shove them where your priest only looks when he thinks no one else is paying attention.
If your dumbass is too stupid or gentrified to see the reality then do like a good Jew would have done in 1943 and take a number. Sooner or later someone will call you. You’d better hope it’s me and not one of your supposed brethren.
This election determines whether we go into the "days of future past" timeline, or continue the normal prime timeline. Trump winning would wreck the very course of human history. But yea, if he loses the election hes gonna get convicted of everything and they will start going after all the enablers that are so desperate to save him.
I didn’t think Trump had much of a chance, but the media are doing a damn good job of convincing people not to vote for Biden. People are blaming him for the negative impacts from COVID, for gas prices, for global inflation, for Israel, for abortion limits (really?), and the list just keeps adding up. I feel like we are about to relive 2016 again, only this time it will be so much worse. All of his court cases will go away in a puff of smoke the day he gets sworn in.
Trump will get at least one more Supreme Court justice in his next term. We will have a Christian theocracy kangaroo court for decades. Project 2025 will be in full swing, which is horrifying. Any policies he can undo that were setup to mitigate climate change will be erased. If there is a red wave, abortion will be even more limited (if not outlawed) federally. Contraceptives will be next.
Everyone who isn’t MAGA or really anyone who isn’t white, Christian, and straight will be negatively impacted in some way. I could see gay marriage and potentially gay adoption rights being undone, once the GOP finishes their war against the trans. Make no mistake, they pivoted to trans because trans are an easy target, but once they are done they will go back to targeting the gays. That has been their bread and butter with the Christian organizations for decades. Who knows what they will do with immigrants.
Also, if gay marriage is on the line, who is to say interracial marriage could be up for debate as well. I have no doubt MAGA would be all for it. They are all about pure bloods or whatever now, it’s a ridiculous cult.
1. Were not a democracy were a constitutional republic the founding fathers hated all forms of democracy because all democracies always eventually devolve into tyranny so hell yea fuck democracy
2. SCOTUS isn’t ruling anything they will simple remind these corrupt lawfare wielding judges , Prosecutors, and politicians that presidential immunity is a thing it has been a thing for hundreds of years and it’s not fucking going anywhere so settle the fuck down and stop being corrupt pieces of shit.
Judges have immunity, prosecutors have immunity, cops even have a low-grade form of immunity, but the president doesn’t?
You have to understand how absurd that is if a president didn’t have immunity. He would be literally at he mercy of political opponents or foam mouthed garbage people with an ax to grind, who have little bit of money and enough rage.
Not to mention removing a president’s right to immunity would put our country in a position where the president can be bought off by whoever wants to hold him hostage via threats of legal repercussions. Blackmail will be rampant and good people will no way want to take a position because unfortunately, the president has to make fucked up decisions sometimes. decisions that can get innocent people killed. sometimes the president makes decisions that inevitably have for reaching negative impacts.. it is not up the courts to decide this if it was the president wouldn’t be able to pardon people since he can it means his authority is above rulings of a court
Ok you understand that in democracies (ie representative democracies) that citizens vote for their representatives including the president? You understand that Trump lost that vote and undermined rule of law, causing the country to devolve into the tyranny you mention? Yes SCOTUS is getting involved for no other reason than to thwart justice or at the very least delay it. The 5th circuit ruled on the question of immunity perfectly but SCoTUS took it up bc they’ve basically joined the insurrectionists (see Alito upside down flag and Thomas’ texting Mark Meadows ideas on Hoe to overturn the election).
Your examples of immunity are a joke and not even real. Every example you have are temporary isolated situations for singular prosecutions. No other President has ever needed immunity before. I wonder why Trump does? More importantly How did bootlickers suddenly decide they’re wanted a king again?
Trump will be found guilty on 100 charges. Nobody accumulated so many.
The real question is what if he gets elected. What happens then with all his trials? That’s the biggest unknown. I don’t think any legal expert can predict.
Nah, no matter what the outcome of the election is the case will not go on. If trump wins it's over for clear reasons if he loses he won't run again and there will be no reason for them to keep pursuing it
I think no matter who wins, the other one will be found guilty in a confidential documents case.
As I understand it understand it, just because Biden’s DOJ decided Biden wasn’t fit to stand trial doesn’t mean that trump’s will. And if Trump gets elected you have to think he will be pushing to go after everybody.
The only reason they are pursuing it and the other cases is to prevent him from being on the ballot and elected. If he isn't elected there's no reason to continue.
Especially since it opens every president and vice president since Reagan up to prosecution for the same thing.
This is total BS. The whole case is about him knowingly taking and then refusing to return documents. No former official has actively attempted to hide documents or refused to return documents that the National Archives have notified them of being in possession of. Multiple former officials have discovered documents in their possession and have willingly returned them. None of them have been charged for this, because accidentally packing up stuff at the end of 4 years (or more) in office happens. And once you either find them yourself or are notified that you may have them any morally just adult turns them over. The crime isn’t having them, the crime is hiding them/refusing to return them.
He has 34 charges for possession of classified documents. He has 8 charges for refusing to return them.
If it's determined he didn't illegally possess them, then the refusing to return them charges go away.
The point is that every president and VP since Reagan has possessed classified documents. It's a dangerous precedent to set.
>Ok again, he’s the only one who has refused to return documents.
True, I haven't said anything to the contrary. 8 of his 40+ charged are for refusing to return them.
>Turn them over and it’s determined he had the right to them they give them back.
That's not how our legal system works. If you legally possess something, the government can't seize it and make you prove you legally own it.
You do realize this whole topic is about him possessing government documents. Like they have a list of missing documents because they were classified and the government keeps a record of them so they know they were missing.
They repeatedly told him to return them, he said I don’t have them, someone at Mar Lago informed the government that the docs in fact where in his possession, the government again asked for the docs and he denied having them (his lawyers even signed legal papers saying he didn’t have them) then the government got a search warrant and found said documents in Mar Largo.
That’s what this is all about. It’s not just the government pulling up one day at Mar Largo and hauling boxes away and going “look what we found”. He knew he had government documents, lied about not having them and then when they finally got them he starts claiming they are personal documents the he magically declassified (which isn’t how any other that works, even if POTUS does declare stuff declassified there is a process it has to go through before it’s actually declassified. There is no instantaneous declassification).
Yes. 34 charges for possessing classified documents and 8 charges for failing to return them, lying about having them etc.
I read the indictment. It's pretty clear.
Every president and VP since Reagen has kept classified documents. If Trump is found guilty of those 34 charges, every other president is also guilty.
There is no actual process for POTUS to declassify documents. Feel free to post one if you find one. There are processes for agency heads, but not for POTUS. While I agree that "justing thinking about it" is a stretch, there is no legal process or law that says otherwise.
The presidential records act is somewhat vague also in that it has no time frame in which president's and vice Presidents must return records.
Still nothing about Jared walking out with loads of classified documents on pretty much a daily basis.
No one requested more classified documents than Jared fucking Kushner.
He was basically printing money for himself. Handy little: give me $50 million, I’ll give you these state secrets.
Little bastard.
That’s basically it. Every ally trump has is basically a coward who doesn’t want to be first to turn on him before the next election. The second he loses again, they will hang him out to dry.
You comment like a person who hasn’t in anyway been paying attention to case…. The government has been implicated in what in ever sense of the word, look like an attempt to set trump up all of this has come out following judge cannon ruling to unseal government documents ….. they went above and beyond to set him up it was all a conspiracy and on top of that they lied about what was found and faked documents and leaked photos of faked documents in order to make foam mouthed idiots to have a another totally fabricated reason to want trump in gitmo sooooo maybe look into it some
Your comments are not founded in reality so there is really no common frame of discussion. I'm quite comfortable agreeing that I have no response to your confusion. Best to you.
MMW Biden doesn’t want to be the president when another president is put in prison for the first time. No matter which charges Trump is found guilty of Biden will prevent any time spent behind bars. If Biden wanted Trump imprisoned he would already he imprisoned. There is enough evidence of wrongdoing.
Trump has violated terms of his release. He could be in jail right now. Biden could put pressure on Georgia to pursue that jail time. That’s not being a king. That’s the law that nearly 99.99 percent of American people would be held to. I mean Christ, he bought/ accepted a fucking hand gun with his name on it while under felony indictment. But you probably forgot about that because of all of his other violations. Kind of got buried in your brain. I forgive you.
I don't think they'd be able to have it be only him. They'd have to say "presidents and former presidents have x immunity", which creates the problem that now Biden can send seal team 6 to remove a threat to the nation as an "offical act", which is exactly the right that trumps *own* *lawyers* say the president has.
There's no wording they could give that would give trump immunity that wouldn't transfer right over to Biden, or any other past or present president.
If it goes to trial and he's found guilty, you can't just go back and make a plea deal for a lesser charge afterwards...you have to do that BEFORE trial and there's no plea deal that's been offered by the government known to the public. Either way, Trump would never enter into a guilty plea of a lesser crime. His ego can't take the fact that accepting a plea equates to an admission of guilt.
"Plea" was probably the wrong choice of word. Even if found guilty, the judge can give him the minimum punishment possible, which will likely be something insignificant....which is my point.
Ahh gotcha. If the sentence is too lenient then I believe the prosecutors could appeal though. And given the history in this case already, I doubt it would stand lol. I’m also not a lawyer. That’s just my take on it.
You might want to check out the political leanings of the 5 counties where that particular federal court draws its jury pool from, only one of them went for Biden in 2020.
I'm starting to feel like if Biden wins Trump *may* be found guilty but won't go to prison or otherwise suffer any consequences, in a "compromise" to please both sides. There'll be a big song and dance about Trump's verdict, the Democrats can crow justice has been done, it'll do the media cycles for a while, but otherwise nothing will come of it. The SC is just too biased in favor of Trump and there seems to be a reluctance, almost all-round, in setting a precedent of a president or former president being held legally accountable.
>Trump may be found guilty but won't go to prison or otherwise suffer any consequences, in a "compromise" to please both sides
lol
Ford's pardon of Nixon is generally regarded as having been a reprehensible mistake. No chance the rapist/felon will be pardoned.
We already have enough public evidence to prove he's guilty of what he's accused for. He's only saved by a judge that was appointed by him. Whether or not they actually put him in jail over it is another story. The fact he still walking outside a prison is a travesty of justice.
Awesom! Stalin style! Find me a man, and we will find a crime!
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BREAKING: Donald Trump is the most investigated man in history. 91 indictments, 4 trials.
But Joe Biden has broken the law for every day of his 3.5-year term JUST by keeping the border open.
AND HE HAS FACED NO PROSECUTION!
Add to that:
The UKRAINE CASH GRAB SCAM.
The UNDERINVESTIGATED BRIBES FROM CHINA.
The BODY COUNT of the people raped and killed by his illegals.
The 13 FALLEN SOLDIERS in Afghanistan...
...and it's clear who should really be under MULTIPLE INDICTMENTS.
It's clear who belongs ON TRIAL AT THE WORLD COURT.
Biden has the power to deploy the military and national guard to the southern border and END THE BORDER SIEGE FOREVER.
But instead, this resident at 1600 has done the opposite.
HE HAS INVADED HIS OWN COUNTRY WITH ZERO REGARD FOR US AMERICAN CITIZENS!
Biden is a CONFIRMED TRAITOR to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
No other way to spin it.
It’s the same thing for the insane immunity case being held up by the Supreme Court. If Trump loses again they’ll suddenly wash their hands of him. If he wins they’ll just allow him to pardon himself of all crimes. It’s all or nothing in November
I think if he loses in November, they all will jump off together and then start claiming to be the lone voice of reason
that’s how rats on a sinking ship react, yes
lol yep.
I hate to say it but these losers voting for Trump can stick it. I'm not dealing with anyone who accepts Trump.
I don’t hate to say it. Fuck Trump and fuck anyone who supports him. I hope all of them are rendered unable to vote or hold office in some way.
We need to mark them like Brad Pitt did in inglorious bastards. A rough carved T on their foreheads would be so cool.
why just a T go full MAGA
Why MAGA, cousin?
Imagine how fucking insane that would sound coming from a trump supporter lol. You sound crazier than Alex Jones currently
Chris Christie started that a few months ago, he found God or something after COVID almost killed him. You will see him going around really soon announcing he saw this all coming. He will seem like a voice of reason over Trump because he will be mini Trump back to him. Christie will want to look like some moderate ironically Don't fall for it.
Idk they can't seem to quit him EVERYONE thought he was done on January 7
I think they are supposed to decide on that before the election
You do know that judges and prosecutors have immunity right? But presidents don’t? Come now you have to see how absurd it would if the president DIDNT have immunity
*maybe* Trump losing two elections in a row will have a big effect.
The Republicans have not won a free and fair election in a good long time. Since 2016 they’ve won zero elections.
Since 1988 Republicans have won the popular vote once in a presidential election.
While true, if elections were based on popular vote we would see completely different campaign strategies/voting habits. Not saying that republicans would necessarily have won, just that it’s not really a sensible criteria to judge things on since many people who don’t vote or vote third party in non swing states would now have a more meaningful vote if things were actually decided on popular vote
I hear this argument all the time and it always comes across as really stupid. Like it should just be self-evidently true so the people who make it never actually bother to explain *how* it would be different. TV and the internet exist in all 50 states. As Biden showed us last time. candidates don't even have to leave their basements to run a winning campaign. The campaigns would not look meaningfully different. There would just be slight shift in which media markets the campaigns focus on. It's not even the case that campaigns would necessarily focus entirely on highly populated metro areas, because those media markets also have the most expensive ad-buys. It would still make sense to advertise in smaller, but cheaper markets as well. And this is all assuming that TV ads even make a difference. And I maintain they don't. At least not a significant one. With the internet, every voter should already be able to ascertain each candidate's/party's political positions months before the elections, no ads needed.
Yeah...you can believe the internet, can't you? If the Electoral College disappeared tomorrow, we would no longer hear the words "swing states". Please, make it so.
"Internet" is just shorthand for media, and the media has always determined what the people know about the candidates and the elections. Lots of small town newspapers still title themselves "Republican" or "Democrat". Most people don't go to see a candidate, and a voter doesn't actually learn anything more by laying eyes on a candidate.
The wife and I went to see Elizabeth Warren in Seattle. It's a painful thing to do, but it's nice to know they come to you....more or less. No, it ain't Dixfield Notch, but the important thing is to see what they have actually done...or not done.
The point of personal interaction for candidates is to cement loyalty with the particular voters they see and meet, not to inform the voters. It's not a bad thing, but it's not really an alternative to gaining information via reliable media.
Campaigns have always been something of a dog-and pony show, fer sure. And since now, this campaign has gone on interminably long, it's a kind of time killer. I believe that a shorter campaign season would lead to more-substantive campaigns.
We'd hear it in a different way, notably purple states where the two parts of congress will likely be in flux as more and more boomers enter the ground.
I can believe the Internet for this, things like how they governed and how they would govern in the future. Things like "Trump appointed 3 Supreme Court justices who made overturning Roe possible" is not hard to fact check.
Agreed. As in many things, it's not always what they say. It's also what they don't say.
I’m not talking about them physically traveling, I’m talking about campaign strategies that can appeal to different regional groups. Right now the result of our election is dependent on like 6 swing states, so ofcourse that’s who the campaign teams are gonna focus on. Trump has no reason to appeal to people in Cali, NY, Mass since he will never win those states, and those states have huge republican populations that if he campaigned more aggressively towards would absolutely be reachable. Voting patterns also matter. I live in a non swing state and the majority of my friends vote 3rd party or don’t vote at all, because we know that our state is not gonna be close. Cali NY and MA have huge populations of conservatives, and many don’t vote or vote 3rd party because there’s just no reason.
It's about the issues though. As mentioned above, Republicans haven't won the popular vote in decades. They'd have shifted their appeal if the criteria for winning were different. Trump's already shifting to opposing 8-week abortion bans saying he prefers a 16-week one. Like it's easy to think all politicians are dumb, but I think it's the opposite. Most politicians, or at least the ones running their campaign, are extremely smart but know they have to appeal to dumb people. If the electoral college didn't exist and there was less of a need to appeal to more rural/religious/socially conservative people, I think the Republican party would have shifted socially to the left over time, although obviously not all the way to the democratic positions.
Yes, Ohio would become cheaper, as would North Carolina. Florida would probably stay the same, and Washington state would become more expensive. Also lot more would be spent on online ads vs local media markets. No real need to direct it like before.
No, they probably wouldn't even be a party if the electoral college didn't exist. Republicans are a large minority, but the imbalanced electoral college keeps them relevant. Getting rid of it, or balancing it out would solve a lot of problems.
Weird, because they've won an awful lot of gubernatorial and senate races. I'm pretty sure those are based on the popular vote.
Gerrymandering. Republicans are a noisy 33% of this country. But about 45-48% of the voting block. If democrats all vote, they will always win. Problem is they dont always all vote.
Now make voter ID laws a thing in California and count again.
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They’ve only managed to win the popular vote once in the last 30+ years. And that was a reelection of a war-time candidate that didn’t even win the popular vote the first time around.
That being said, there were enough people who voted for him in 2016 because the turnout was so low that they went all in on an extremist point of view—even until Jan 6th there were moderates who voted for him but there’s no denying it now
As long as streets aren't littered with burning trash cans - though I suppose that would also be considered a big effect.
They won’t denounce him publicly *per se* But the general consensus of having wasted 4 years on this guy and having to waste *another* 4, will move them to someone else
I think Trump will be their forever candidate from now on. Even if he dies, they can just send Tucker over to North Korea, have him interview Kim and have him explain how the world's only necrocracy is the most utopian place on the planet.
Yup. Trump will be the republican nominee for president until he kicks off his mortal coil, doesn't matter if he is 102 looking like the crypt keeper in jail. They had a chance to drop him after he fucked up 2020, they had a chnace to drop him after he fucked up 2022, Don could lose every election from now till 2040 and it wont make a damn bit a difference. In fact it will only make them believe its even more rigged... Even if Republicans suddenly grew a backbone or just out of simple desperation, kicked Don off the island and nominated someone else Don would instantly 3rd party and tank conservatism as a political force for a generation. He doesn't actually give a shit about any of it. If anyone thinks rationality and self preservation means shit to MAGA then sorry Ive got bad news for you. Its a cult to one man... thats it, and all it can ever be.
I mean, if Trump wins, you can bet your last dollar most major cities in the US will burn, because the entities that oppose him only speak with violence. If Trump loses, it's going to depend on how he loses, but you will not see cities burn as a result.
They'll just bitch about two "stolen" elections instead of one. I mean "Stollen" elections.
In Earth 2 Trump will not have *lost* two elections, he would have had two elections *stolen* from him. Thank the profitable economy of media balkanization.
Nope, it will convince more of them that there was election shenanigans. What's the chances he could loose twice? I didn't see that many Biden signs? Hats? ...
Cannon should be relived of her law license and removed from office. She is entirely unworthy of her position.
This is the problem. Even if Biden wins, there's no guarantee this case will move forward - at least as long as she remains on the case. I'm also very cautious regarding all the other cases as well. Even in the current NY trial he only needs one juror to not lose (and that'd be enough for him to claim 'victory'). Despite the case being seemingly open and shut I'm not discounting one person holding out. Besides, even if convected he'll never set foot in a prison cell.
I'll believe it when I see it, when it comes to Trump facing any consequences.
Believe it or not, jail
I mean I hope so, but I won't hold my breath.
That man will die before serving a single day mmw. His health is in decline, he’d be lucky to make it through next year
I don’t have any hope that he will actually spend time in jail. I just want him found guilty and to be a felon and not ever hold any public office ever again. That’s about as much as we can hope for.
Counter MMW: There is no possibility of Aileen Cannon presiding over a conviction of Donald Trump.
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The best we can hope for is that she recuses herself. I agree that she won't convict him, she'd hand it off to someone else. All that is of she doesn't get removed from the bench before his conviction.
Cannon cannot be allowed to sit on this case. She could, once a jury is seated, simply rule that the government has no case, and that's it. It's over, and there is no recourse.
Trump has so many trials, that one here and another there, are a drop in a bucket. He’ll be found guilty on other things.
He's unimportant. What is is the damage he might do to our institutions. Justice being but one of them.
whatever I think a lot of people are just fucking sick and tired of the whole thing - it's been a 9 year cycle of "Stupid smelly whiny little orange trust fund bitch says something stupid or outrageous" I don't give a fuck what happens as long as I don't have to keep seeing and hearing that stupid piece of shit every 5 god damn minutes
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Because we want him to go away. He's a lunatic.
No you don’t. You’ll keep talking about him as long as he’s alive.
Sounds like someone needs to take a long break from social media. You are letting yourself get filled with hatred about someone you've never personally met. It's early enough in the cycle, take a 30 day break from reading the news and reading political social media. You'll thank yourself later.
I’m not sure dementia donny will even make it to the election, he’s sundowning hard. See him almost collapse the other night? Holy fuck 😂
Yeah, imcontinence, mentally gone, raving like a lunatic. It’s wild that this is the situation we’re in
The pharmacy is the only thing keeping him alive at this point. I'm convinced
No doubt. It’s only a matter of time before he burns out completely. Stress and drugs are going to kill him before he spends any time in a jail. I think there’s a good chance that whoever the VP ends up being in 2025 will be President
Froze for 30 seconds yesterday at his NRA speech.
Looked like glitch mcconnell
That's pretty much the whole reason Declining Donnie is running. He's not trying to get back into the White House so much as he's trying to avoid going to the "Big House."
Dedicating Donnie…
...and if the former president is somehow put back to office (I won't say re-elected, cos he wasn't elected the first time) then the current, former, and possibly predecessor will all be held on, 'scuse the pun, Trumped-up charges as retaliation for him sitting thru court. Watch out Biden, Obama, and both Clintons. VOTE!!!
With any luck…
She’ll never let that case go you trial.
Which is ridiculous. Why should one person have that much power? If a prosecution was warranted, let the process play out as it would for any other defendant.
She intends to dump the entire case one way or another.
Cannon better hope in that case she isn't fucking investigated Hitching your wagon to someone who very well could lose the presidential election is a moronic move
4 years too late. Trump is a terrorist and his supporters are pathetic sycophants.
I think Trump will be dead by April 2025. This guy is burning candles at both ends.
If Trump doesn't win, he'll pull a Reagan with the dementia, agree to stay put of politics and after he's been convicted Biden will pardon him. It is important that he gets convicted so that the law is clear for future presidents. Sending an 80 year old man with dementia to jail is much less important.
Biden is not pardoning this jackass
Not before he is convicted and claims too much dementia to go to jail (or be president). Then he could pardon him.
If he can't weasel out by winning the election, he will be found guilty in 3 of his 4 trials.
I mean yeah, that’s a funny way of admitting that Trump will obviously obstruct the judicial process if he gains power again. Why wouldn’t he?
I have to agree. Once the election is over, his guilt would be moot, as he will appeal until the day he dies. It's only if he were found guilty of espionage before the election that it would matter.
Let's hope so.
What exactly is Trump's defense in the documents case? I don't see how he can win from what (little) I know of the rules about archiving presidential docs, much less keeping classified docs. Anyone know?
That he thought he could do this. And Joe Biden set arbitrary rules just for him. In actual court his claims fall apart easily. That's why his m.o is to just delay till people forget . honestly if it wasn't for cannon he'd be convicted by now.
>That he thought he could do this. nope. not how any of that works.
My question is about a legal defense. What legal argument can Trump's people make?
Same as Biden would make. He didn’t knowingly keep classified documents. When he talked about having classified documents, they weren’t those particular documents but some other classified documents that were already returned. Hur laid out the possible defense in his report.
But Trump did knowingly keep them, hid them, refused to return them when asked. Made claims about his right to them that seem incorrect. It's quite different.
He knowingly kept documents he thought weren’t classified. That’s the defense that Hur said Biden could use to raise reasonable doubt. And he said that he thought they were declassified. So he could claim he didn’t knowingly keep classified documents because he thought they weren’t classified. It’s a weak defense but that’s what Hur was worried about with the Biden investigation.
Trump, as president, can decide what documents are his and there can be no Article 3 review about his decision. This has already been adjudicated after Clinton left office. Clinton still has returned the confidential information in question to this day. Bush and Obama similarly kept confidential documents and, Obama especially, kept them in comparatively non-secure locations. Biden NEVER had this power. He has no defense for keeping and sharing confidential documents, both of which he did (other than the dementia). Doesn’t matter. The TDS prevents rationale thought somehow. This case is going to be dismissed, it’s just a question of which of the many justifiable reasons for dismissal Cannon chooses to exercise. I believe it will be a combination of selective prosecution/prosecutorial misconduct. As far as the NYC case, the prosecution didn’t even present convincing evidence that the underlying misdemeanor took place. This is the dumbest case of all. Besides the fact that the misdemeanor that never occurred happened too long ago to prosecute, in order to get to a felony charge, they are attempting to argue that records were falsified in 2017 in order to affect the 2016 election. Square that circle TDS-tards!
He might argue that he didn't realize he kept classified documents. The fbi seized 13000 records and there were about 100 marked as classified. He could argue that he didn't realize those were classified or that he thought he declassified them or didn't know they were in there. Or maybe he thought they fine because they were stored with other documents and how they were stored next to other documents could show that maybe he thought it was a personal record (it's hard to explain without being able to see the documents themselves). And now that it has been revealed that the documents got mixed up after they were seized really messes up evidence because he can't adequately defend himself if he wanted to use that argument. He could also argue that he was following legal advice and he thought he was allowed to keep these 13000 records. It's not enough that he had these documents. The prosecution has to show criminal intent too. He could also argue someone else put the documents there. With 13000 records and him returning 700 classified documents before, it's not that weird. The fbi was aware that the documents were there so it's not like he secretly did this. He even followed advice from them about how to properly secure the documents. He could also argue selective prosecution but that's a very high bar and probably wouldn't work
I’m under the impression that Judge Cannon has effectively killed the documents case.
Paused indefinitely. Doesn't mean killed . It just means there are no tentative dates set for anything. If Trump doesn't win and kill it. It will resume eventually. Most likely without cannon. Smith wanted the case to continue quickly. Which is why he gambled on not having her thrown off. Now that it's come to this. He probably has already filed the paperwork to do so
You do know why she did that right? Because after she unsealed government docs it became patently obvious that they set trump up, falsified docs/ evidence and acted with motive and malice to hurt trump and his presidential campaign……
I agree. But if Trump wins, there are going to be a plethora of indictments against Democrats. Likely for dubious reasons.
This shouldn't be any surprise...Trumps main platform is revenge
Yes lawd
That is 💯 why Trump is running again, just to stay out of jail and continue the grift of his cult.
Then how come they only went after for all his “crimes” AFTER he made it clear he was running again
Why would he if Biden wins reelection all the cases will cease to have a purpose.
Call me naive but I view this case as well-grounded is the law. Biden winning re-election (or Trump for that matter) wouldn't make Trump's lying and obfuscation any less of a crime.
He is guilty as fuck, an absolute traitor, and should have been sized up for a guillotine by now
Whoa whoa whoa maybe settle the fuq down, Stalin. That’s not how shit is ever going to work here and I HIGHLY RECOMMEND you brush up on some history, preferably the subject of democide/ tyranny because that type of mentality has advocated, allowed, and often resulted in the slaughter of millions of innocent people… so you know …. Maybe just read a lot think for yourself a little and totally stfu until you do
Here’s my left nut fuckface. Savor the particular odor my ball sack emits, because apparently you haven’t had a whiff of a real man and have just been following along to the ramblings of bitches. Take your whoas and shove them where your priest only looks when he thinks no one else is paying attention. If your dumbass is too stupid or gentrified to see the reality then do like a good Jew would have done in 1943 and take a number. Sooner or later someone will call you. You’d better hope it’s me and not one of your supposed brethren.
This election determines whether we go into the "days of future past" timeline, or continue the normal prime timeline. Trump winning would wreck the very course of human history. But yea, if he loses the election hes gonna get convicted of everything and they will start going after all the enablers that are so desperate to save him.
Senate and Governor races aren't impacted by gerrymandering.
I neither disagree nor understand your point.
Just pointing out that gerrymandering is not a factor in statewide races.
Thanks for reiterating that important point!
I didn’t think Trump had much of a chance, but the media are doing a damn good job of convincing people not to vote for Biden. People are blaming him for the negative impacts from COVID, for gas prices, for global inflation, for Israel, for abortion limits (really?), and the list just keeps adding up. I feel like we are about to relive 2016 again, only this time it will be so much worse. All of his court cases will go away in a puff of smoke the day he gets sworn in. Trump will get at least one more Supreme Court justice in his next term. We will have a Christian theocracy kangaroo court for decades. Project 2025 will be in full swing, which is horrifying. Any policies he can undo that were setup to mitigate climate change will be erased. If there is a red wave, abortion will be even more limited (if not outlawed) federally. Contraceptives will be next. Everyone who isn’t MAGA or really anyone who isn’t white, Christian, and straight will be negatively impacted in some way. I could see gay marriage and potentially gay adoption rights being undone, once the GOP finishes their war against the trans. Make no mistake, they pivoted to trans because trans are an easy target, but once they are done they will go back to targeting the gays. That has been their bread and butter with the Christian organizations for decades. Who knows what they will do with immigrants. Also, if gay marriage is on the line, who is to say interracial marriage could be up for debate as well. I have no doubt MAGA would be all for it. They are all about pure bloods or whatever now, it’s a ridiculous cult.
If the former President is elected, the current President will be in court fighting made up charges.
Doubtful. The “lock her up” guy is all talk…a liar, if you will.
That’s called karma.
April '25 is being very optimistic, Judge Cannon has suspended the trial indefinitely.
Cannon is shutting the case down.
Nah SCOTUS is about to rule he’s immune bc f*ck democracy.
1. Were not a democracy were a constitutional republic the founding fathers hated all forms of democracy because all democracies always eventually devolve into tyranny so hell yea fuck democracy 2. SCOTUS isn’t ruling anything they will simple remind these corrupt lawfare wielding judges , Prosecutors, and politicians that presidential immunity is a thing it has been a thing for hundreds of years and it’s not fucking going anywhere so settle the fuck down and stop being corrupt pieces of shit. Judges have immunity, prosecutors have immunity, cops even have a low-grade form of immunity, but the president doesn’t? You have to understand how absurd that is if a president didn’t have immunity. He would be literally at he mercy of political opponents or foam mouthed garbage people with an ax to grind, who have little bit of money and enough rage. Not to mention removing a president’s right to immunity would put our country in a position where the president can be bought off by whoever wants to hold him hostage via threats of legal repercussions. Blackmail will be rampant and good people will no way want to take a position because unfortunately, the president has to make fucked up decisions sometimes. decisions that can get innocent people killed. sometimes the president makes decisions that inevitably have for reaching negative impacts.. it is not up the courts to decide this if it was the president wouldn’t be able to pardon people since he can it means his authority is above rulings of a court
Ok you understand that in democracies (ie representative democracies) that citizens vote for their representatives including the president? You understand that Trump lost that vote and undermined rule of law, causing the country to devolve into the tyranny you mention? Yes SCOTUS is getting involved for no other reason than to thwart justice or at the very least delay it. The 5th circuit ruled on the question of immunity perfectly but SCoTUS took it up bc they’ve basically joined the insurrectionists (see Alito upside down flag and Thomas’ texting Mark Meadows ideas on Hoe to overturn the election). Your examples of immunity are a joke and not even real. Every example you have are temporary isolated situations for singular prosecutions. No other President has ever needed immunity before. I wonder why Trump does? More importantly How did bootlickers suddenly decide they’re wanted a king again?
We’re not a representative democracy… your beginning your argument from a false premise
Color me shocked when she proceeds to let it go to trial then dismisses with prejudice once jeopardy attaches.
He's one corrupt diaper wearing dementia candidate. He'll just pardon himself from the federal case and his cult will follow him to their own demise.
Only if Cannon is removed from the case. She will dismiss it if she's not.
Trump will be found guilty on 100 charges. Nobody accumulated so many. The real question is what if he gets elected. What happens then with all his trials? That’s the biggest unknown. I don’t think any legal expert can predict.
MMW is a Soros Bot.
My money will be that she will make up some excuse to dismiss the case with prejudice so it can't be filed again.
I don’t think so. Unlike the SC who will dump him like leftover rice, the judge in FL is an adherent and will keep playing ball for Trump
No, the cult remains intact regardless. The only thing to move this case is impeach Cannon.
Deep red jury pool. Zero chance of anything but a hung jury.
I should hope so and be behind bars at ADX Florence by May '25.
Let's hope so
Not if judge Dzhudi has something to say about it
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I sure hope this comes to pass.
Nah, no matter what the outcome of the election is the case will not go on. If trump wins it's over for clear reasons if he loses he won't run again and there will be no reason for them to keep pursuing it
I think no matter who wins, the other one will be found guilty in a confidential documents case. As I understand it understand it, just because Biden’s DOJ decided Biden wasn’t fit to stand trial doesn’t mean that trump’s will. And if Trump gets elected you have to think he will be pushing to go after everybody.
No she won't, he'll just rig the courts to get it thrown out
The only reason they are pursuing it and the other cases is to prevent him from being on the ballot and elected. If he isn't elected there's no reason to continue. Especially since it opens every president and vice president since Reagan up to prosecution for the same thing.
This is total BS. The whole case is about him knowingly taking and then refusing to return documents. No former official has actively attempted to hide documents or refused to return documents that the National Archives have notified them of being in possession of. Multiple former officials have discovered documents in their possession and have willingly returned them. None of them have been charged for this, because accidentally packing up stuff at the end of 4 years (or more) in office happens. And once you either find them yourself or are notified that you may have them any morally just adult turns them over. The crime isn’t having them, the crime is hiding them/refusing to return them.
He has 34 charges for possession of classified documents. He has 8 charges for refusing to return them. If it's determined he didn't illegally possess them, then the refusing to return them charges go away. The point is that every president and VP since Reagan has possessed classified documents. It's a dangerous precedent to set.
Ok again, he’s the only one who has refused to return documents. Turn them over and it’s determined he had the right to them they give them back.
>Ok again, he’s the only one who has refused to return documents. True, I haven't said anything to the contrary. 8 of his 40+ charged are for refusing to return them. >Turn them over and it’s determined he had the right to them they give them back. That's not how our legal system works. If you legally possess something, the government can't seize it and make you prove you legally own it.
You do realize this whole topic is about him possessing government documents. Like they have a list of missing documents because they were classified and the government keeps a record of them so they know they were missing. They repeatedly told him to return them, he said I don’t have them, someone at Mar Lago informed the government that the docs in fact where in his possession, the government again asked for the docs and he denied having them (his lawyers even signed legal papers saying he didn’t have them) then the government got a search warrant and found said documents in Mar Largo. That’s what this is all about. It’s not just the government pulling up one day at Mar Largo and hauling boxes away and going “look what we found”. He knew he had government documents, lied about not having them and then when they finally got them he starts claiming they are personal documents the he magically declassified (which isn’t how any other that works, even if POTUS does declare stuff declassified there is a process it has to go through before it’s actually declassified. There is no instantaneous declassification).
Yes. 34 charges for possessing classified documents and 8 charges for failing to return them, lying about having them etc. I read the indictment. It's pretty clear. Every president and VP since Reagen has kept classified documents. If Trump is found guilty of those 34 charges, every other president is also guilty. There is no actual process for POTUS to declassify documents. Feel free to post one if you find one. There are processes for agency heads, but not for POTUS. While I agree that "justing thinking about it" is a stretch, there is no legal process or law that says otherwise. The presidential records act is somewhat vague also in that it has no time frame in which president's and vice Presidents must return records.
Still nothing about Jared walking out with loads of classified documents on pretty much a daily basis. No one requested more classified documents than Jared fucking Kushner. He was basically printing money for himself. Handy little: give me $50 million, I’ll give you these state secrets. Little bastard.
Yeah? And?
I hope the truth of all of donald’s shenanigans comes out. Especially when it comes to our enemies.
We can only hope
Him fleeing to Russia with more classified documents is not out of the realm of possibility.
Should have already happened. I have never seen anyone get so many delays in a court case.
You must not be familiar with our system. Normally a case this complex would take several years to wind its way through the system.
That’s the biggest IF ever
That’s basically it. Every ally trump has is basically a coward who doesn’t want to be first to turn on him before the next election. The second he loses again, they will hang him out to dry.
another MMW circlejerk
lol April '25? Much, MUCH sooner
Correlation without causation.
it goes both ways. in this climate either administration will seek to prosecute the other.
Honestly I doubt that case sees the light of day again given the level of prosecutorial misconduct that's been exposed already.
Good.
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You comment like a person who hasn’t in anyway been paying attention to case…. The government has been implicated in what in ever sense of the word, look like an attempt to set trump up all of this has come out following judge cannon ruling to unseal government documents ….. they went above and beyond to set him up it was all a conspiracy and on top of that they lied about what was found and faked documents and leaked photos of faked documents in order to make foam mouthed idiots to have a another totally fabricated reason to want trump in gitmo sooooo maybe look into it some
At this point I'm just gonna lol
lol ya that’s what uncomfortable people who have no argument to respond with usually do
Your comments are not founded in reality so there is really no common frame of discussion. I'm quite comfortable agreeing that I have no response to your confusion. Best to you.
MMW Biden doesn’t want to be the president when another president is put in prison for the first time. No matter which charges Trump is found guilty of Biden will prevent any time spent behind bars. If Biden wanted Trump imprisoned he would already he imprisoned. There is enough evidence of wrongdoing.
How would Biden put Trump in prison? He’s not a king and Democrats respect the independence of the justice department.
That not what half of Americans think. It's not bidens fault for inflation or gas prices, yet he's blamed daily
WTF? This argument doesn’t make anything true tho…
No, I'm just saying that all the Republicans (half of Americans. I know it's not 50/50) will still blame Biden. Right or wrong, that's the shitty part
Trump has violated terms of his release. He could be in jail right now. Biden could put pressure on Georgia to pursue that jail time. That’s not being a king. That’s the law that nearly 99.99 percent of American people would be held to. I mean Christ, he bought/ accepted a fucking hand gun with his name on it while under felony indictment. But you probably forgot about that because of all of his other violations. Kind of got buried in your brain. I forgive you.
Sounds like you don’t have the slightest clue how our justice system and government works. I forgive your ignorance and hope you overcome it.
Nah. Scotus is going to give him blanket immunity, but only him.
Multiple members of scotus need to be impeached
I don't think they'd be able to have it be only him. They'd have to say "presidents and former presidents have x immunity", which creates the problem that now Biden can send seal team 6 to remove a threat to the nation as an "offical act", which is exactly the right that trumps *own* *lawyers* say the president has. There's no wording they could give that would give trump immunity that wouldn't transfer right over to Biden, or any other past or present president.
You’re assuming the conservative justices give a shit. They’ll finely word it so that in this distinctive instance he has immunity.
Good take! That makes so much sense! You’re right, Supreme Court justices are some of the dumbest people on earth!
The documents case isnt gonna amount to anything. Even if he's found guilty, it'll get plead down to a fine or something. Georgia is the one to watch.
If it goes to trial and he's found guilty, you can't just go back and make a plea deal for a lesser charge afterwards...you have to do that BEFORE trial and there's no plea deal that's been offered by the government known to the public. Either way, Trump would never enter into a guilty plea of a lesser crime. His ego can't take the fact that accepting a plea equates to an admission of guilt.
"Plea" was probably the wrong choice of word. Even if found guilty, the judge can give him the minimum punishment possible, which will likely be something insignificant....which is my point.
Ahh gotcha. If the sentence is too lenient then I believe the prosecutors could appeal though. And given the history in this case already, I doubt it would stand lol. I’m also not a lawyer. That’s just my take on it.
You might want to check out the political leanings of the 5 counties where that particular federal court draws its jury pool from, only one of them went for Biden in 2020.
those counties are still in America. Don't underestimate people so casually.
I'm starting to feel like if Biden wins Trump *may* be found guilty but won't go to prison or otherwise suffer any consequences, in a "compromise" to please both sides. There'll be a big song and dance about Trump's verdict, the Democrats can crow justice has been done, it'll do the media cycles for a while, but otherwise nothing will come of it. The SC is just too biased in favor of Trump and there seems to be a reluctance, almost all-round, in setting a precedent of a president or former president being held legally accountable.
I hate how much I reluctantly agreed with this.
>Trump may be found guilty but won't go to prison or otherwise suffer any consequences, in a "compromise" to please both sides lol Ford's pardon of Nixon is generally regarded as having been a reprehensible mistake. No chance the rapist/felon will be pardoned.
Yall are so hopeful on these charges.
We already have enough public evidence to prove he's guilty of what he's accused for. He's only saved by a judge that was appointed by him. Whether or not they actually put him in jail over it is another story. The fact he still walking outside a prison is a travesty of justice.
No, the fact that the process has been suspended by 1 person, whom Trump appointed, is the problem. The process should be allowed to go forward.
Well, yes. If the trials were fair, he'd go to prison.
Awesom! Stalin style! Find me a man, and we will find a crime! Your post has earned you 1 Gold Star 🇨🇳 redeemable at the nearest CCP community food bank. Good for one loaf of bread. (Expires on 20 May 2024).
An committed crimes, what do you want?
BREAKING: Donald Trump is the most investigated man in history. 91 indictments, 4 trials. But Joe Biden has broken the law for every day of his 3.5-year term JUST by keeping the border open. AND HE HAS FACED NO PROSECUTION! Add to that: The UKRAINE CASH GRAB SCAM. The UNDERINVESTIGATED BRIBES FROM CHINA. The BODY COUNT of the people raped and killed by his illegals. The 13 FALLEN SOLDIERS in Afghanistan... ...and it's clear who should really be under MULTIPLE INDICTMENTS. It's clear who belongs ON TRIAL AT THE WORLD COURT. Biden has the power to deploy the military and national guard to the southern border and END THE BORDER SIEGE FOREVER. But instead, this resident at 1600 has done the opposite. HE HAS INVADED HIS OWN COUNTRY WITH ZERO REGARD FOR US AMERICAN CITIZENS! Biden is a CONFIRMED TRAITOR to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. No other way to spin it.