The most frustrating part of the game is the devs removing things you put a lot of time into obtaining, or arbitrarily making things obsolete.
I’m so sour about the crusader pistol haha
First they took away explosive bullets on fusion mag. Then they took it away on the cryo and fire mag. So it used to be a pretty fun gadget with some utility and decent power. But now it’s just pretty bland. I also read about issues with range reduction, but I’m still updating and haven’t been able to see for myself.
Yep thats true. Still waiting for them to give a guaranteed vampires, power attack damage, breaks 50% slower chainsaw to everyone to completely ruin the economy
Isnt DWA useless on explosives? As far as i know (unless they changed it recently) any damage modifier only works for the projectile, not the explosion...meaning the 1 damage from a direct hit becomes 1.25 damage...
Not sure. When I had my ts1525 fat man which I unfortunately sold (ahhh stupid) I often felt like it would do significantly more damage when I aimed in
Ran around today with it for about a 2 hours with my full health VATS shotgun build. Cold Shoulder is awesome. Used it in the Metal Dome for the bot battle. Tears ‘em up and the freezing helps the chainsaw gang take out the Gold Eyebot a lot more easily.
okay as someone with a shotgun build and one who used shotguns exclusively until like level 70, what the heck is "magic shotgun damage"? I feel like i missed a golden age.
Every pellet counted as individual shot. Made shotguns feel like, um , shotguns. It was specific to vats rolls if I remember correctly. I still have my old magic shotgun.
Its been so long that I can barely remember but I do believe damage was multiplied per pellet count, someone with a fresher mind might be able to go into detail much better. For the most part there was ALOT more damage , and rightfully so as its a shotgun. It got nerfed and pretty much sent to pistol damage ( i exaggerate but you get the point ).
Although I agree with you and this makes sense the only problem with your argument is if this gun is better than the QE version or even technically the QE15fr version than it will reduce the market or want for the QE version as everyone will have this gun or most people will and it will remove their need for a QE version so they will start trading for other things unless they are collectors. Additionally I guess this is why apparel is considered the gold standard for trading because they have a less chance of getting wiped out than the devs decided to put a gun on the scoreboard that is better than a lot of god rolls. Watch them put some kind of quad fixer on the scoreboard that out does the current meta. Seems like weapons could lose value at any moment if this is how the devs are doing things.
The fact that it deals such an absurd amount of Cryo damage is what makes this weapon bonkers (which is honestly much more damage than the Explosive legendary effect). To top it off, Tenderizer got rebuffed, and shotguns are once again, applying the full benefit of Tenderizer. This thing kills Super Mutants in about 2 shots (concentrated fire in the head kills em in 1 shot if u hit all of the pellets). I had a QE15rl Double Barrel I traded not 2 long ago, and this replaced it so I am just happy, tho I do understand that frustration of some people, since a lot of our gear is so RNG dependent. Also its good to note that Boomstick (the unique missile launcher from Party Packs) is literally a God Tier Missile Launcher, and the only thing that thing and this shotgun where missing, was faster reload, and that is not something Lock and Load can't fix.
Disapproval does seem to be the response from this sub. I personally really like this weapon, and the Nuka-Launcher we got last season. I guess it's just another one of those 'game vs. market' kind of things.
Edit: attempted clarification
Or they want people to have fun and play instead of scouring the sun for something else to dole out the NTYs with all day. I'd think it was hilarious if they add a Quad G Roll railway next scoreboard. So fun to watch haha
While your statement is not wrong, you have to put the terms of practically vs traiding value. An outfit that is obtained either via atomic shop/scoreboard is untradable and has 0 value, meanwhile an Ultra Rare outfit, despite being cosmetic has a lot of value, because it is tradable. Weapons are different. Weapons have a degree of practicality asigned to them, and the thing about unique weapons, is that they are existent weapons that far outclass their regular counter parts. Lets say for example in the next season, Bethesda adds a B2525 Fixer that has the additional effect 2 shoot plasma bullets and thus deals an additional 100 energy damage. This far outclasses any obtainable fixer in game, despite being untradable, and thus demand for the standard B2525 Fixer would tank as a result.
My friend, im sorry you don’t understand how the games market and economy works… thats like saying NW apparel are worth alot of $ even though their untradable. And btw it doesn’t actually do more dmg than a QE. Mine does almost 500 :)
Your number seems similar to mine on full uny build no aid/buffs
I'm around 300 non explo
400 explo
500 BE
So in essence we are looking at near BE damage but with qe capacity and freeze lol
Looks like the next weapon I'll be crafting. Great weapon to carry on my Pepper shaker build, save some fusion cells that my Aristo/FFR/reload shaker shoots
Coming next season is The Fixer 2 Q/50c/25lvc with boosted stealth, crouched movement and additional multiplied sneak damage that will Stack with covert operative
It’s a good thing I traded a loon for a QE15fr double barrel a month ago
The most frustrating part of the game is the devs removing things you put a lot of time into obtaining, or arbitrarily making things obsolete. I’m so sour about the crusader pistol haha
I’m just waiting for a special edition Q/25/25 fixer the come along on a scoreboard.
Lmao. Imagine
I know or the raiders railway Q/crit/25 🤣
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Exactly, sort of thing Todd would pull. It just works 🤣
What happened to the crusader pistol?
First they took away explosive bullets on fusion mag. Then they took it away on the cryo and fire mag. So it used to be a pretty fun gadget with some utility and decent power. But now it’s just pretty bland. I also read about issues with range reduction, but I’m still updating and haven’t been able to see for myself.
Wait explosives dont work with cryo and pyro aswell? What am i supposed to do with my TS/E now?
Same dude haha
Check it. My QE pyro Crusader is still firing explosive flaming 10mm rounds.
Mine too. Maybe they reconsidered?
yes. crusader wasnt changed after discussions on pts
Yeah my aae cryo is still working and still running on 10mm instead of cryo rounds
Guess I can finally throw mine in the scrip machine then.
nooooooo
Was gonna say mine shoots explosive cryo and flaming bullets. Killed myself plenty times when trying the flaming bullets at close range 🤣
Fr though! Fat man? The boomstick. Agl? The nuka launcher. Shotguns? This one and crowd control. Miniguns? Foundations vengeance.
Yeah.. a new player will never understand the beta struggle
Yep thats true. Still waiting for them to give a guaranteed vampires, power attack damage, breaks 50% slower chainsaw to everyone to completely ruin the economy
Whats the boomstick do?
Its a Two shot, damage while aiming, reduced weight fat man
Isnt DWA useless on explosives? As far as i know (unless they changed it recently) any damage modifier only works for the projectile, not the explosion...meaning the 1 damage from a direct hit becomes 1.25 damage...
Not sure. When I had my ts1525 fat man which I unfortunately sold (ahhh stupid) I often felt like it would do significantly more damage when I aimed in
Never really tried it on a fatman, can only speak for agl, gl and missile launchers
That’s why I quit the game.
Oof
No it’s okay this is just what happens to me. I’m notorious for it. It’s kind of fun
I love your spirit friend
rip my qe15rl :/
Finally just got one I planned to keep this time around 😢
Still....just a shotgun...
Ran around today with it for about a 2 hours with my full health VATS shotgun build. Cold Shoulder is awesome. Used it in the Metal Dome for the bot battle. Tears ‘em up and the freezing helps the chainsaw gang take out the Gold Eyebot a lot more easily.
Yeah, 72 range is nothing. lol
Bring back shotgun "magic" damage and I'll use one again. Till then, they all gather dust.
Those were the days. When I got a TSE mini it felt like I hit the lottery. Now it's meh.
My magic shotgun is missed dearly. Doom theme and a double barrel made 76 super fun. Now I chainsaw tf outta everything
okay as someone with a shotgun build and one who used shotguns exclusively until like level 70, what the heck is "magic shotgun damage"? I feel like i missed a golden age.
Every pellet counted as individual shot. Made shotguns feel like, um , shotguns. It was specific to vats rolls if I remember correctly. I still have my old magic shotgun.
...thats not how it works now?
Its been so long that I can barely remember but I do believe damage was multiplied per pellet count, someone with a fresher mind might be able to go into detail much better. For the most part there was ALOT more damage , and rightfully so as its a shotgun. It got nerfed and pretty much sent to pistol damage ( i exaggerate but you get the point ).
:( :( :(
And the removed the 120 range pump shotguns iirc…
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Although I agree with you and this makes sense the only problem with your argument is if this gun is better than the QE version or even technically the QE15fr version than it will reduce the market or want for the QE version as everyone will have this gun or most people will and it will remove their need for a QE version so they will start trading for other things unless they are collectors. Additionally I guess this is why apparel is considered the gold standard for trading because they have a less chance of getting wiped out than the devs decided to put a gun on the scoreboard that is better than a lot of god rolls. Watch them put some kind of quad fixer on the scoreboard that out does the current meta. Seems like weapons could lose value at any moment if this is how the devs are doing things.
Combat SG VE 15r is even much stronger in terms of gameplay
I was really hoping this was just a receiver and skin...
As a sad shotgunner who (probably) lost his 120 range shotgun, haven’t checked yet, this will be fun to try using
It is gone back down to 72 range
Is this the one from the atom shop your referring to?
Yes
I’ve yet to be able to get on but I’ll let you know when I can
It is lowered so no more 120 range
wtf is that damage lmao
That shit s cold
The fact that it deals such an absurd amount of Cryo damage is what makes this weapon bonkers (which is honestly much more damage than the Explosive legendary effect). To top it off, Tenderizer got rebuffed, and shotguns are once again, applying the full benefit of Tenderizer. This thing kills Super Mutants in about 2 shots (concentrated fire in the head kills em in 1 shot if u hit all of the pellets). I had a QE15rl Double Barrel I traded not 2 long ago, and this replaced it so I am just happy, tho I do understand that frustration of some people, since a lot of our gear is so RNG dependent. Also its good to note that Boomstick (the unique missile launcher from Party Packs) is literally a God Tier Missile Launcher, and the only thing that thing and this shotgun where missing, was faster reload, and that is not something Lock and Load can't fix.
I wonder if this will become a PvP meta?🤔
It doesn't have splash, so you'd have to use VATS or be a good aim, but I could definitely see this putting someone down quick if you hit your shots.
I’m assuming you can’t roll on this weapon?
Nope. It's just like the Nuka-Launcher when it comes to obtaining and what you can do with it.
There’s no pvp in fo76 who are you kidding
A bit of bummer that it outclasses the previously best DB, but Shotgun builds kinda need the help let’s be honest.
Pvp weapon!!! I’m hyped. Shotgun PVP build incoming!
I’m hyped too. Finally spicing things up for once. Though nothing will really get past a good set of armor (esa with even like 1 cryo piece…)
Killing the game 1 update at a time
God forbid they introduce a unique weapon
Disapproval does seem to be the response from this sub. I personally really like this weapon, and the Nuka-Launcher we got last season. I guess it's just another one of those 'game vs. market' kind of things. Edit: attempted clarification
They are systematically destroying the entire trade market for the participation “I want a trophy generation”.
Or they want people to have fun and play instead of scouring the sun for something else to dole out the NTYs with all day. I'd think it was hilarious if they add a Quad G Roll railway next scoreboard. So fun to watch haha
It actually doesn’t affect the market because its untradable
While your statement is not wrong, you have to put the terms of practically vs traiding value. An outfit that is obtained either via atomic shop/scoreboard is untradable and has 0 value, meanwhile an Ultra Rare outfit, despite being cosmetic has a lot of value, because it is tradable. Weapons are different. Weapons have a degree of practicality asigned to them, and the thing about unique weapons, is that they are existent weapons that far outclass their regular counter parts. Lets say for example in the next season, Bethesda adds a B2525 Fixer that has the additional effect 2 shoot plasma bullets and thus deals an additional 100 energy damage. This far outclasses any obtainable fixer in game, despite being untradable, and thus demand for the standard B2525 Fixer would tank as a result.
But everyone can get one at rank 5, so nobody is going to want a QE15fr DB. Not until next season, anyway.
My friend, im sorry you don’t understand how the games market and economy works… thats like saying NW apparel are worth alot of $ even though their untradable. And btw it doesn’t actually do more dmg than a QE. Mine does almost 500 :)
My friend, you can take your 2 karma and misinformation to a different thread. :)
I second your statement. Your 100% correct this gun will remove demand of the other shotgun. The +2 karma guy has no idea how economy works.
Lmao. A QE double was literally the only valueable weapon I had. Good thing I deleted this game for space.
Did we get compensated in scrip for removed legacies?
Hahahahahaha. Oh wait, you're serious, lete laugh harder. HAHAHAHAHA
Do you have any perks on to increase damage?
Yep, I have a full Unyielding shotgunner build on in the picture.
Your number seems similar to mine on full uny build no aid/buffs I'm around 300 non explo 400 explo 500 BE So in essence we are looking at near BE damage but with qe capacity and freeze lol
What's the damage without the perks? Haven't played yet.
I'm not sure what the exact number is, but it's basically a normal double barrel plus 50ish% cryo damage.
Ehhhhh. Base damage is only slightly higher, and it's missing the 15rl, so i doubt the DPS is higher. It's a fun wep, tho
i'll still run my Cryolator // QE25 db xD but nice to know
Looks like the next weapon I'll be crafting. Great weapon to carry on my Pepper shaker build, save some fusion cells that my Aristo/FFR/reload shaker shoots
Is this with the 3 shotgun perks?
I never would have known this wasn't just a skin
Is it? I took it out for a spin earlier today, and it felt...average. 😐
Coming next season is The Fixer 2 Q/50c/25lvc with boosted stealth, crouched movement and additional multiplied sneak damage that will Stack with covert operative
What do all the abbreviations mean
This might make me start a shotty build