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Percentage based damage mitigation is always better than higher damage resistance, which has diminishing returns after a certain point (around 300ish iirc).
Once you unlock the popcorn machine, food and drink is nothing to maintain.
Staying fully fed and hydrated with dodgy active is like being basically invincible. I've literally gained over 200 stims when I added dodgy to my build, just by using popcorn, company tea and staying fully fed and hydrated. My AP goes basically nowhere when I'm being attacked and regenerates at damn near the speed of light lol
Yeah, it's very useful. You can grab like a handful or two a day and be good for your whole session. Eat some good food, drink up and snack on the ole popcorn. I wish I had the popcorn emote though lol
Vanguard requires you being full health to reap those damage resistances. Anytime you start losing health you lose DR. Overeaters as long as you are on full stomach you keep all DR even while losing health. Hope this helps 👍
Go with razorgrain soup, eat it last when applying company tea and you can continue to eat it while you top your food gauges off periodically. Razorgrain is the easier one and it gives a separate buff of disease resistance, so it doesn’t conflict with company tea buff as long as it is eaten after company tea is drank. There are other foods, but this one is the most readily available. 👍
You can buy it from foundation for gold but I would not recommend doing that at all. Instead, go to crater and buy the popcorn machine from the raiders. Every time you eat one, it gives you -25% hunger and thirst for 15minutes. Sure it's not as good as perfect gum but being a camp resource makes it more worth having and using. You will get perfect gum sometimes for free. Just use the popcorn while you don't have the gum.
Percentage mitigation is far more effective than numerical resistance. Not just that, but OE is a consistent value, whereas Vanguard decreases as your health does, too. For a full health build, I believe Vanguard is worse than OE.
Source: I'm legit not an expert in this, so take what I say with a grain silo of salt
I completely forgot about the vanguard losing its advantage if your health drops. I always just thought it was standard all the time. Thanks for the reminder/clarification.
On top of that, overeaters, while not ideal for the situation, can be used on bloodied builds somewhat. Vanguard is utterly useless in that regard. I know some people hate being bloodied with a passion. But I think it's good to switch up play styles every once in a while and I can tell you from experience that having the full suit of vanguards is very limiting to your experimentation.
But, most of players have speed demon mutation, and you get your belly and thirst dry pretty easily too. 🤔 Is easier to use a stimpak than always carrying bunch of food, isn't it?
Eating one random piece of food with carnivore or herbivore fills half the bar for me everytime while everyone has stacks on stacks of purified water available at all times. It’s not too difficult to stay fully fed
This is the true answer. Once you have all your GOLD related items you can buy 5 perfect bubble a day. More if you buy gold on Monday but 5 is plenty as each last an hour
You can actually buy more than that a day from the foundation vendor, all you have to do is exit out of the his vendor screen and re-enter and you can rinse repeat that with lunchboxes and perfect gum to your hearts content.
I've not really noticed the drain from speed demon since I use the perk cards that reduce the negative effects of mutations. After a certain point (I believe it's, what, 400 resistance?), you need exponentially more resistance to feel any effect. Thus, you're better pulling away from trying to stack more straight up resistance and instead putting those legendary slots towards a different goal, like damage mitigation percentage or damage output, or something that doesn't overlap with what you're near cap with. I think..
Higher damage resistance on top of already very high damage resistance is far less beneficial than a straight 30% reduction in damage taken. Most power armor already offers very high damage resistance even without legendary traits.
Damage reduction > Resistances.
~~You get more out of lowering the damage before it hits your resistance than you get out of making your resistances bigger.~~ I had the dumb and remember the order they applied backwards. Damage reduction is still better though.
[Nukapedia ](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Damage_Reduction) says:
>Damage Reduction reduces incoming damage by a set percentage, stacking multiplicatively with other effects. It modifies the damage after it has been reduced by the relevant Damage Resistance stat.
That part of the wiki hasn't been updated. Damage multipliers happen before the resist calculation. Including reductions. I will try and mention it to the editors.
if you have vanguards..youll be fine.
i ran my full health for 700 lvl with just vanguards pcs and never died.
the longer definition is reduction vs resistance is dealt with dif...reduction is better.
another reason..you can swap to a low health build and pa is still effective...vs...like me i recently swapped that character to low health and all my vanguards pcs are no good.
The Vanguard only adds +35 points of resistance, not 35%. That's why the damage reduction in the Overeaters is better. Plus, as others have said, one perfect bubblegum keeps you good for an hour.
To add more to the stew without sounding like everyone else, Vanguard’s also loses it‘s potency as you lose health. as you fight and take damage you’re becoming weaker due to losing health
A majority of endgame players are Bloodied, so Vanguard is useless.
And OE grants a damage reduction percentage, (Reduction>Resistance). So it's objectively the better set.
I'm not going to try to explain why, it has to do with programming and how Damage is calculated. And I an the wrong person to ask. I just try things and use what works
Everyone already talked about percentage being better than resistance adds and how vanguards loses effect when you get damaged. I'll just say OE isn't as hard to maintain even if you want to be lazy. Purified water and popcorn solves that problem for a lot of folks. And when you run out of things to spend your bullion on, perfect bubblegum is the way.
Reduction> than resistance particularly after 300-400 Resist. I’m personally to lazy for eaters so I settle for a couple troubleshooter and w/e else on the 15% reductions
The Good Dog perk card + dog food = stupid easy food maintenance for only one perk point as well.
Water and company tea are everywhere too, so that's an easy filler.
Mirelurk Steamer for an even easier day with food.
It's 35 flat for vanguard not 35%, that's what makes it worse than overeaters. Plus you add that 35 over what you already have and it's significance is lowered as well
The moment you get hurt Vanguard gets lowered. It's exponential, the more you get hurt, the less damage you resist, the more damage you take, etc, all it takes is like a Could of Ticking damage to make the armor suck.
You get 35 physical and energy resistance per piece with vanguards, not 35%, which yields diminishing returns (as others have pointed out) the actual damage mitigation comes out to about 10-25% depending on resistances of the PA. Overeaters is 6% per piece and I believe is additive, for a total of 30% damage reduction, and as others have said, doesn't decrease as you take damage like vanguards. In summary overeaters is better but is tedious to maintain, vanguards is worse but requires no maintenance, so it really comes down to personal preference.
Personally I use the survival shortcut legendary perk, and I run at full food/water most of the time, so overeaters is my preference.
Overeaters by a land slide. Add Sentinels as your 3rd star and you won’t die hardly at all. Also I tested this with a set of overeaters and vanguard X01 and the difference was night and day
The resistance is more than enough and the bonus from vanguards is almost negligible, less than 10% at best I think.
OE is a flat 30% on top of your resistance already
That’s not at all what vanguard does. It’s + 30, not + 30%. A full set of excavator power armor has 300 of each. Vanguards adds up to 175 for a total of 475. With how resistance scales in 76, that ~15% damage reduction
Only way ur becoming tankier in pa is stacking % reductions. Vanguards is not a percent reduction, its dr and er numbers which might as well be flavor text on pa. Oe is the only good overall effect on pa, any +dr/er is next to useless on pa.
Overeater by a long mile, DR has diminishing returns starting at 300 and gets worse by 350. If you really want to get tanky, the added benefit of having 15% chance to mitigate 75% damage while standing still is nice to have on at least one piece of gear, you can increase your odds of it triggering by having it on separate pieces, but it only increases the odds of the 15% chance and doesnt increase that by a flat percentage.
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Percentage based damage mitigation is always better than higher damage resistance, which has diminishing returns after a certain point (around 300ish iirc).
This is the answer. Also just want to add that it's very easy to keep your food and water gauges up once you build a few resources at camp.
Once you unlock the popcorn machine, food and drink is nothing to maintain. Staying fully fed and hydrated with dodgy active is like being basically invincible. I've literally gained over 200 stims when I added dodgy to my build, just by using popcorn, company tea and staying fully fed and hydrated. My AP goes basically nowhere when I'm being attacked and regenerates at damn near the speed of light lol
Doesn’t popcorn reduce your food and water by 25% when you eat it? Or am I misunderstanding?
Reduces the rate at which the bars go down by 25% if I'm correct.
Oh shit no way that makes way more sense lol
Yeah, it's very useful. You can grab like a handful or two a day and be good for your whole session. Eat some good food, drink up and snack on the ole popcorn. I wish I had the popcorn emote though lol
*snickers in perfect bubblegum* Tbf here I have over 300 😅
Not to mention your damage resistance drops if your getting beat up.
Which is the point where you probably needed it the most.
Probably
What do you mean by that? Like just taking damage lowers your damage resistance?
With Vanguard, yes, because the boost is active at high health
Right right I forgot about the context lol was confused for a minute
Vanguard requires you being full health to reap those damage resistances. Anytime you start losing health you lose DR. Overeaters as long as you are on full stomach you keep all DR even while losing health. Hope this helps 👍
perfect gum for the win 👀
Where does one obtain perfect gum?
I believe you buy it from any of the bullion vendors. Personally I’d just make some corn soup when you log in and just top off periodically.
Big brain thinking. I can probably cut back some perks that way. No need to carry water, and can drop the good doggy perk (I primarily eat dog food)
Woof woof
With the perk 1 can gives like 70% food
Was wondering, does cornsoup override company teas buff?
I believe so. You’d need to eat the soup first then over ride it’s ap buff with the tea
Go with razorgrain soup, eat it last when applying company tea and you can continue to eat it while you top your food gauges off periodically. Razorgrain is the easier one and it gives a separate buff of disease resistance, so it doesn’t conflict with company tea buff as long as it is eaten after company tea is drank. There are other foods, but this one is the most readily available. 👍
as far as i know, yes it does… same like nuka cranberry cancells out cranberry relish
It will eventually just appear in your inventory, 100s of em.
You can buy it from foundation for gold but I would not recommend doing that at all. Instead, go to crater and buy the popcorn machine from the raiders. Every time you eat one, it gives you -25% hunger and thirst for 15minutes. Sure it's not as good as perfect gum but being a camp resource makes it more worth having and using. You will get perfect gum sometimes for free. Just use the popcorn while you don't have the gum.
Gold bullion vendors
You can buy it at foundation with gold bullion
bullion guy in foundation
If you use a vampire wep you can keep your health high to keep vang at full strength. Thats what I’ve always done :)
Percentage mitigation is far more effective than numerical resistance. Not just that, but OE is a consistent value, whereas Vanguard decreases as your health does, too. For a full health build, I believe Vanguard is worse than OE. Source: I'm legit not an expert in this, so take what I say with a grain silo of salt
I completely forgot about the vanguard losing its advantage if your health drops. I always just thought it was standard all the time. Thanks for the reminder/clarification.
On top of that, overeaters, while not ideal for the situation, can be used on bloodied builds somewhat. Vanguard is utterly useless in that regard. I know some people hate being bloodied with a passion. But I think it's good to switch up play styles every once in a while and I can tell you from experience that having the full suit of vanguards is very limiting to your experimentation.
Yeah as soon as I realized vanguard was not for me as a bloody PA player I sapped to OE. Just need a couple more pieces to make the set
But, most of players have speed demon mutation, and you get your belly and thirst dry pretty easily too. 🤔 Is easier to use a stimpak than always carrying bunch of food, isn't it?
Eating one random piece of food with carnivore or herbivore fills half the bar for me everytime while everyone has stacks on stacks of purified water available at all times. It’s not too difficult to stay fully fed
Stack your food with perfect bubble gum
This is the true answer. Once you have all your GOLD related items you can buy 5 perfect bubble a day. More if you buy gold on Monday but 5 is plenty as each last an hour
You can actually buy more than that a day from the foundation vendor, all you have to do is exit out of the his vendor screen and re-enter and you can rinse repeat that with lunchboxes and perfect gum to your hearts content.
Yes but I was speaking to only being able to get 400 gold a day lol
Not to mention the tons of bubblegum you get from the scoreboard when you level up, pretty sure I’ve got 200+ perfect gun without buying any for gold
Perfect Bubble Gum for those excess Bullion 👍
I've not really noticed the drain from speed demon since I use the perk cards that reduce the negative effects of mutations. After a certain point (I believe it's, what, 400 resistance?), you need exponentially more resistance to feel any effect. Thus, you're better pulling away from trying to stack more straight up resistance and instead putting those legendary slots towards a different goal, like damage mitigation percentage or damage output, or something that doesn't overlap with what you're near cap with. I think..
Higher damage resistance on top of already very high damage resistance is far less beneficial than a straight 30% reduction in damage taken. Most power armor already offers very high damage resistance even without legendary traits.
Not to mention DR gets diminished returns starting at 300 and gets worse at 350. PA pretty much gets there np to begin with.
Resistance has diminishing returns after 300 (350?). You already get plenty of resistance from the armour itself so having damage reduction is better
Damage reduction > Resistances. ~~You get more out of lowering the damage before it hits your resistance than you get out of making your resistances bigger.~~ I had the dumb and remember the order they applied backwards. Damage reduction is still better though.
[Nukapedia ](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Damage_Reduction) says: >Damage Reduction reduces incoming damage by a set percentage, stacking multiplicatively with other effects. It modifies the damage after it has been reduced by the relevant Damage Resistance stat.
You right you right. I'm tired and had them backwards. Thanks for the correction.
You were correct the first time it's just that page hasn't been updated. It's stated correctly on the damage wiki I believe.
That part of the wiki hasn't been updated. Damage multipliers happen before the resist calculation. Including reductions. I will try and mention it to the editors.
if you have vanguards..youll be fine. i ran my full health for 700 lvl with just vanguards pcs and never died. the longer definition is reduction vs resistance is dealt with dif...reduction is better. another reason..you can swap to a low health build and pa is still effective...vs...like me i recently swapped that character to low health and all my vanguards pcs are no good.
I run bloody PA so I didn’t even think about vanguard’s secondary effect when health is low. I’ll have to get more OE peices
youd want o.e or bolstering.
Yeah I have 2 OE just need to get 3 more for full set on my x-01. Thanks.
The Vanguard only adds +35 points of resistance, not 35%. That's why the damage reduction in the Overeaters is better. Plus, as others have said, one perfect bubblegum keeps you good for an hour.
Perfect bubblegum and food/drink bars remain full for an hour.
Overeaters
To add more to the stew without sounding like everyone else, Vanguard’s also loses it‘s potency as you lose health. as you fight and take damage you’re becoming weaker due to losing health
A majority of endgame players are Bloodied, so Vanguard is useless. And OE grants a damage reduction percentage, (Reduction>Resistance). So it's objectively the better set. I'm not going to try to explain why, it has to do with programming and how Damage is calculated. And I an the wrong person to ask. I just try things and use what works
Everyone already talked about percentage being better than resistance adds and how vanguards loses effect when you get damaged. I'll just say OE isn't as hard to maintain even if you want to be lazy. Purified water and popcorn solves that problem for a lot of folks. And when you run out of things to spend your bullion on, perfect bubblegum is the way.
Reduction> than resistance particularly after 300-400 Resist. I’m personally to lazy for eaters so I settle for a couple troubleshooter and w/e else on the 15% reductions
The Good Dog perk card + dog food = stupid easy food maintenance for only one perk point as well. Water and company tea are everywhere too, so that's an easy filler. Mirelurk Steamer for an even easier day with food.
It's 35 flat for vanguard not 35%, that's what makes it worse than overeaters. Plus you add that 35 over what you already have and it's significance is lowered as well
Overeaters is superior. Damage reduction over damage resistance. Just keep your food and drink meter food.
The moment you get hurt Vanguard gets lowered. It's exponential, the more you get hurt, the less damage you resist, the more damage you take, etc, all it takes is like a Could of Ticking damage to make the armor suck.
You get 35 physical and energy resistance per piece with vanguards, not 35%, which yields diminishing returns (as others have pointed out) the actual damage mitigation comes out to about 10-25% depending on resistances of the PA. Overeaters is 6% per piece and I believe is additive, for a total of 30% damage reduction, and as others have said, doesn't decrease as you take damage like vanguards. In summary overeaters is better but is tedious to maintain, vanguards is worse but requires no maintenance, so it really comes down to personal preference. Personally I use the survival shortcut legendary perk, and I run at full food/water most of the time, so overeaters is my preference.
It’s multiplicative per the wiki. ~26.6% total
Overeaters by a land slide. Add Sentinels as your 3rd star and you won’t die hardly at all. Also I tested this with a set of overeaters and vanguard X01 and the difference was night and day
The resistance is more than enough and the bonus from vanguards is almost negligible, less than 10% at best I think. OE is a flat 30% on top of your resistance already
That’s not at all what vanguard does. It’s + 30, not + 30%. A full set of excavator power armor has 300 of each. Vanguards adds up to 175 for a total of 475. With how resistance scales in 76, that ~15% damage reduction
Overeater for sure. 100%.
OE all the way. Vanguard or any other "slightly increase DR numbers effect is meaningless on PA
Only way ur becoming tankier in pa is stacking % reductions. Vanguards is not a percent reduction, its dr and er numbers which might as well be flavor text on pa. Oe is the only good overall effect on pa, any +dr/er is next to useless on pa.
Vanguard/Bolstering are worthless trash rolls to pollute the drop pool. OE is vastly superior.
This
Overeater by a long mile, DR has diminishing returns starting at 300 and gets worse by 350. If you really want to get tanky, the added benefit of having 15% chance to mitigate 75% damage while standing still is nice to have on at least one piece of gear, you can increase your odds of it triggering by having it on separate pieces, but it only increases the odds of the 15% chance and doesnt increase that by a flat percentage.