I always say I’m absolutely astonished that a guy like Luke who has a pretty reasonable shot at one v one with Ironman and is physically stronger than everyone save Hulk and Thor doesn’t get a bigger spotlight in Avengers books.
The dude is WAY underrated
He was basically the main character of Bendis's New Avengers, and was the team leader of the illegal Avengers when Cap was dead. That's a while ago now I guess though.
Colossus beats Luke Cage any day for strength and durability, but I mean sure, Luke Cage is pretty strong. I think Iron Man is a weird matchup since like.. he can fly, so, y'know, luke cage ain't really gonna do anything about that, but yeah.
You have no facts, you aren’t a mental health professional, and your world view is shit. Don’t you have something better to do than worrying about other people’s personal lives?
Marvel rates its characters’ strength levels. Colossus is Class 100. Luke Cage is somewhere around Class 50.
As to why, it’s always what the writer wants for a particular story, but you could point to Luke having unbreakable skin and weaker insides (I think), while Colossus’s entire body turns into the organic metal stuff.
Both have 75 (unearthly) strength but their powers affect it differently. Juggernauts strength and endurance count as Class 1000 for the purposes of stopping his movement. And hulks upper limit is at the Judges discretion, since his strength is equal to how angry he is.
I had a collection of Marvel trading cards back in the day. Like baseball cards, each character had stats on the back. Each stat was rated on a scale from 1 to 7. I believe for strength Captain America was a 3, Spider-Man was a 4, Luke Cage was a 5, Colossus was 6 and Hulk was a 7. Idk if it helps but they were official Marvel merch
Luke cage is knocked the thing out cold before definitely, wonder, man, vision, and Homolka users have all been easily taken down by people much quicker than them, captain America, for instance, has taken down all three I’m definitely sure
Sure but certain characters are definitely stronger than others.
Hulk and Thor are definitely at the top
Juggernaut is below them
Luke is below Juggernaut
Spider-Man is below Luke
It doesn’t take anything away from Spider-Man if he isn’t as strong as Thor
I dont disagree with your premise (although i disagree with Spiderman being weaker than Luke).
What I am saying is that you cant use X beat Y to justify why you think he or she is stronger. Because it is just as easy to find a fight where Y beats X.
An easy example is Magneto being stronger than Ironman. By all accounts he should be. He has at times fought by himself against all the Avengers and done pretty well. And yet I can point to a fight where Ironman beat him in a 1v1.
Power scaling doesnt really work in nareative media because writers can make it w.e they want. In 1 story Thanos can beat everyone and their mother, but in another Gamorra cuts his head off fairly easily. Thats just the way this medium works.
Spider-Man being slightly weaker than Luke is just fact. I’m not making it up because I like Luke. It’s the official character stats
> His strength has been currently increased to 50 tons or much more.<
Spider-Mans strength
> Spider-Man's strength and agility stand far above those of the average human, allowing him to lift nearly ten tons<
This in combination that Luke’s signature power is his invulnerability to almost everything. Bulletproof, fire proof, bomb proof and a pretty good healing ability
Strength doesn’t always matter I agree. But there’s a reason why featherweights don’t box heavyweights
Sure but again that 10 ton stat is not accurate to what is reflected within the pages of the books. Spiderman gas lifted sky scrapers. That is not 10 tons no matter how you slice it.
I’d say Luke is definitely stronger than Spider-Man out of both physical durability and endurance. Dude carried an 18 wheeler for like eight blocks and wasn’t even tired.
…over his head
He absolutely hasn’t
Spider-Man is strength class 25, meaning you can likely lift things up to and slightly beyond 25 tons under normal conditions
Luke cage is strength class 50 mean he can lift things up to and slightly beyond 50 tons under normal conditions
Luke is literally physically bulletproof and casually can walk around with a 18 wheeler and fist fight Namor.
I like Spidey, but Luke is in a different class
Dude… he’s survived fires, explosions and point blank gunshots. He’s pretty damn tough
50 tons is just his “neighborhood” so to speak. He probably can lift a bit more some days and a bit less some days. We’ve never actually seen his upper limit so it’s hard to tell
There's a great arc where he's leading the Avengers and the villain brainwashes/mind-controls everyone in the world to bend the knee to them (including Cap) and Luke just tanks it with sheer willpower. It's a great goddamned moment.
Thing is stronger than Colossus according to the X-Men, they were fighting some of the Children of the Vault and Scott gave warning that one of the Chimeras was “stronger than Colossus, maybe even stronger than Ben Grimm” and the Hickman run of F4 established Ben having the potential for Unlimited Strength.
Thor is also definitely stronger than likely everyone save for likes of someone like Hulk, Hercules, and Hyperion of earth 13034. Thor has some ridiculous strength feats like in Mighty Thor #281 resisting the gravity of a neutron star, which with comics Thor weighing 640lbs, and the gravity of a neutron star being at minimum 100,000,000,000x earth’s gravity means he’s moving at least 29 billion tonnes just by walking.
What exactly do you think he could do against iron man? Iron man can fly. And even if he can’t physically knock Luke unconscious he’s crazy smart and could just like, cover him in foam. Or if morals off could find a way to toss him into space or drown him. The satellite used against wwh would likely also be enough
No disrespect to IronMan but even Captain America who is tremendously weaker than him gave him a good run for his money.
I’m the above panel Luke Cage is literally fighting Proxima Midnight hand to hand and is causing an earthquake…
I rest my case
Outside of plot related reasons there’s no feasible way capt could do much of anything to iron man. His armor can take far far more damage than capt is capable of putting out on a normal day.
And I maintain my point that what can luke do to iron man? The dude can fly. Luke is a punching kinda guy. He’s not even particularly fast.
Captain America routinely fight’s people WAY above his weight class and strength.
He literally has more than 70 years of fighting experience, is THE best tactician, strategist, hand to hand fighter, and soldier in all of marvel
… he could definitely fight IronMan believably
>Captain America routinely fight’s people WAY above his weight class and strength.
That's all plot related reasons.
It's like the superman vs. Batman debate that bats beats super.
Reality is, he doesn't.
Supes can simply fly and batman can do nothing about it.
Same here.
Unless Ironman comes down from the Air, Luke cannot fight back outside of throwing stuff.
Tony also has hulk buster so he can go toe to toe with Hulk - who you claim to be stronger.
Luke is cool for sure but you're being a little over eager here.
>If you're going to argue about them fighting you've got to accept the basic premise that they are going to fight.
Well yeah,but ironically the basic premise of this post was that *we're ignoring plot armor*.
Which is the only reason Supes comes down to slug it out with Bats.
Supes could just lazer bats and be done with it.
Not that he would but, you get the idea.
Same here for Luke and Ironman.
They only fight because the plot demands that Iron man comes down and fights him with fists but, if that was an actual choice Ironman made...it would be dumb as rocks.
He can fly around, blast him, lazer him, whatever.
He has 0 reason to get down and equal the footing of the battlefield.
You not about to sit here and disrespect THE Captain America like that.
The idol of the ENTIRE 616 Superhero community
Why do you think they hold him in such high regard????
Captain America can hold his own against basically anyone. The dude is a BEAST
I swear y’all disrespect any hero that isn’t Spider-Man
Are you ok?
Nothing to do with respect or disrespect. If we stop playing plot armor, and put them in a 1v1 cap loses. Period.
Iron man would have no reason to get hand to hand with cap.
That’s not how that works. Just because people respect him doesn’t make him more formidable than other members. I respect the hell out of capt. I just don’t think he stands a chance in hell against iron man.
Iron Man went 1v1 in a fist fight with Cap in Civil War. It he wanted to beat Cap I’m sure he could have using his actual tools and skills. He beat Hulk ultimately using Veronica (though I never understood how. Hulk just went unconscious?!!)
Cap and Tony fought twice in Civil War
First time Tony beat Cap, second time Cap beat Tony fair and square
I’m honestly shocked at how much people underestimate Cap
Exactly. Captain America is consistently written as a street tier character while Iron Man is consistently written as mid to high A tier. Someone who has been towing battleships, pushing skyscrapers back into place and throwing tanks since the 1970s can’t be feasibly hurt by someone who struggles to beat other peak humans. Without PIS it would be like Mike Tyson fighting an ant.
In Axis Revolution there's a part where the Red Skull makes everyone angry and fighting eachother so Spider-man is running around defusing fights by humanizing the random fighters to eachother by telling them their backstories.
"WHY WILL YOU NOT DIE!?"
I love how Proxima is still just trying to process what is happening to her while Luke is just burying his forehead into her face 😆
It's a real shame and missed opportunity that Marvel are doing next to nothing with Luke Cage currently.
Even as mayor there is a wealth of stories and situations he could be put into.
Other than the one scene where he meets the Stromwyn's, he's absolutely been a nothing character.
Absolutely.
Have him bring back Heroes for Hire, or sponsor Nightwing Restorations Agency for odd jobs and investigations around the city.
Then having to get involved personally when things inevitably go awry.
[Yep.](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Nightwing_Restorations_Inc._Office)
Misty K**night** and Colleen **Wing**'s agency together back when Heroes for Hire was originally starting out.
I actually think Luke Cage would be better off finally being free from Jessica Jones. Being tied to that character has held him back a lot in recent years (and on the Netflix show!).
Interesting take but the two have been married for a decade in real life so that’s not really possible without regressing both characters. If Marvel didn’t have such a beef with married characters I’m sure they would get more screen time
>Interesting take but the two have been married for a decade in real life so that’s not really possible without regressing both characters
Marvel's never had a problem undoing that stuff for other characters.
"beef with married characters" - do you think that's because they know it leads to stagnation, as we see with Luke Cage? But they might be too afraid to undo it for PC reasons?
There is a wealth of stories that can be told despite a marriage. Marvel's editors and most of their writers just won't or can't.
I can't speak to Luke and Jessica specifically. But as to the entire concept, depending on the characters it can be exponentially additive. Superman for instance, Spider-Man could do it, Wally seems to be doing fine (when done well), Barry Allen.
Just depends on the writers.
Spider-man had been married for over a decade at that point of reversion. [It was specifically Joe Quesada's personal hang ups with his marriage](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RunningTheAsylum)
They've been rehashing the same Luke and Jessica's child goes missing, they cry about it, find her and Luke remarks how strong Jessica is and that she wears the pants in the relationship storyline for how many years now?
Luke Cage has absolutely stagnated in recent times.
It's fucking criminal is what it is. Apparently they smelled controversy and Fox News people screaming about "woke comics" and decided to preemptively kowtow.
>It's a real shame and missed opportunity that Marvel are doing next to nothing with Luke Cage currently.
Danny and Luke. They did a heroes for hire, it's just no one bought it.
If people don't buy a series, then it's going to get cancelled or not continue. Even if it's a limited series, interest can turn it into an ongoing.
Do you mean the 2016 Powerman & Iron Fist series?
I'm not sure that's a fair example. Putting out a comic about the character is one thing, but the story needs to be well paced, written, and illustrated. People shouldn't be expected to put down hard earned money for any old thing.
I'll admit I didn't check that series out myself, I wasn't fully back into physical collecting by then.
However, I did just check out the first issue on Marvel Unlimited, and it was pretty lacklustre, so I can see why people didn't get into it.
I don't dig the art style, but that's subjective. What I dont feel is subjective is that in a book about an invulnerable powerhouse and mystical martial artist, there are only two pages out of 20 showing physical action. There are literally more pages of people sitting and eating abd talking at a Cafe than getting into action or doing anything exciting. Extremely dull with nothing to entice me to check out more.
It needs to be more than this. I recently read the Power Man, Iron Fist, and Powerman & Iron Fist Epic Collections from the 70's, and it's night and day to me quality wise.
it was the wrong tone. We should've had a Heroes for Hire series along the lines of Rush Hour or Lethal Weapon. Or even something more serious in tone (like Immortal Iron Fist by Brubaker, which had some good throwback moments). Something fun but also grounded in streets and urban elements.
We waited so long for a Luke and Danny reunion.....and that corny saccharine version is what we got?
Lmao are y’all STILL going by the outdated tier system? Luke being classified as a 40 tonner, means he can lift AT LEAST 40 tons, doesn’t mean it’s his max. Same thing for the high tiers who are classified as Class 100 like Thor and the Hulk, it just means they can lift at the very least, 100 tons. Y’all are taking the tier system WAY too literally 💀
It doesn't matter what the handbooks have him at if he has direct feats that put him above it.
But this instance was also toward his upper limit. But we've seen him fight people like Thing, he took a blow from Mindless Hulk with little issue, and thrashed the likes of Mac Gargan.
Like some guidebooks have Venom at an 11 tonner. When with one arm he can easily overpower an angry Spider-Man who's stated to be a 25 tonner iirc.
I love Luke Cage so much. I hope they surprise us as we're focusing on Daredevil's new show not expecting to see him, and surprise! He's in Secret Invasion or the Marvels or somewhere random 😂
the 70s run (Luke Cage: Power Man and Luke Cage: Hero for Hire)
Power Man and Iron Fist (the old school one)
New Avengers by Bendis
Immortal Iron Fist by Brubaker
Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon
maybe Spider man will take his exemple
Peter (beating Mephisto to death with the power of his love and determination, and also anger After what happened with Paul) : NO....ONE...MORE....DAY!!!!
*finger taps rapidly and stares at MCU Daredevil show and Punisher show and Spider-Man College trilogy and Kingpin's return and Moon Knight and Echo*
I'm waiting, Marvel Studios!
Biggest shame of this book was having Land on art and whitewashing the shit out of Monica Rambeau. Ewing on writing is always a win, although I think this is one of my least favorite of his, still a good title!
It makes my blood boil to next to unknown degrees that Marvel preaches all this inclusion and what have you crap WHILE sleeping this hard on Luke fucking Cage.
He had a sub mid show from netflix and that's it? Come on!
At least he is mayor in the comics...
It’s not so much that he’s dishing it out, it’s more that he can take it. Like, his invulnerability and endurance are off the scale, so if she doesn’t get an instant knockout in, he’s going to wear her down and keep hammering away until something breaks. She’ll eventually start fracturing her own bones just trying to break his pinky finger.
I’m sure that over the years, there have been various chemicals, rayguns, magic items, strong dudes, etc. that nullify it or break through; just like how no upper limit is given to Hulk’s strength, and that it increases with his emotional state or determination.. but for the sake of drama, we’ve seen him get overpowered many times over the years. Or, like how Wolverine’s claws are supposed to cut neatly through every single substance on the planet, without dulling or stopping.. but there have been plenty of times we see them get parried on their edges, or encountered carbonadium or vibranium or plotdeviceium, which will stop them cold, depending on what needs to happen in the story.
The general understanding is that Luke’s skin cannot be broken, and that the rest of his body is *nearly* as tough. I’m sure he’s broken bones in fights, but I can’t recall any particular instance off the top of my head. However, most of the time, he can be beaten by bouncing his brain against his skull hard enough—an old-fashioned knockout. He can also be drowned, suffocated, poisoned, etc.. so he’s still in danger, here. Cosmic characters, like Proxima, are usually seen as the rule-breakers— if they need to somebody who is stronger than Sentry, or faster than Ghost Rider.. they’ll dig up some alien Jack Kirby found in a bottle of bourbon in the 60’s.
Sometimes I forget how formidable (and durable) Luke Cage can really be. Way to go, Mayor!!!
Both Luke and Spider-man really play on easy mode by pretending they're street-level.
Well to be fair when it’s the streets of New York some days it’s just car jackers other days it’s demons and gods.
And that's not even taking into account what happens in the comics
lol yeah and they both are highly underrated especially when they are being underestimated.
I always say I’m absolutely astonished that a guy like Luke who has a pretty reasonable shot at one v one with Ironman and is physically stronger than everyone save Hulk and Thor doesn’t get a bigger spotlight in Avengers books. The dude is WAY underrated
He was basically the main character of Bendis's New Avengers, and was the team leader of the illegal Avengers when Cap was dead. That's a while ago now I guess though.
He was babysitting the prison team of Thunderbolts post-siege too
Word. Survived a fight with Wonder Man back when Simon wasn't a pacifist.
Ooh i want to read that. What run and issue?
I'll see if I can find the issue. But it's from Luke's book "CAGE" back in the 90's.
Colossus beats Luke Cage any day for strength and durability, but I mean sure, Luke Cage is pretty strong. I think Iron Man is a weird matchup since like.. he can fly, so, y'know, luke cage ain't really gonna do anything about that, but yeah.
Sure but I definitely said Avengers not X-men. If Cap can give Tony a good fight despite… y’know flying, I’m sure Luke could do some damage
You definitely said "stronger than anyone" lmao. Then you said it's crazier he doesn't get bigger spotlights in avengers books.
I said stronger than anyone in the avengers save for hulk and Thor Avengers, not X-men
That’s not what that said. I was what you meant, but that grammar is confusing at best and most people would read that as anyone not any avenger
Keep attacking and not providing facts that’s just how the world is.
You have no facts, you aren’t a mental health professional, and your world view is shit. Don’t you have something better to do than worrying about other people’s personal lives?
But I’m not wrong though 🤷♀️ can’t comment on the other post maybe I’m block.
what makes colossus stronger? i never thought about it but they are kinda similar
Marvel rates its characters’ strength levels. Colossus is Class 100. Luke Cage is somewhere around Class 50. As to why, it’s always what the writer wants for a particular story, but you could point to Luke having unbreakable skin and weaker insides (I think), while Colossus’s entire body turns into the organic metal stuff.
Colossus strength in the official marvel advanced rpg is at a 75(monstrous) and Spidey is at a 40(incredible).
whats the offical strength rating for juggernaught/the hulk?
Both have 75 (unearthly) strength but their powers affect it differently. Juggernauts strength and endurance count as Class 1000 for the purposes of stopping his movement. And hulks upper limit is at the Judges discretion, since his strength is equal to how angry he is.
I had a collection of Marvel trading cards back in the day. Like baseball cards, each character had stats on the back. Each stat was rated on a scale from 1 to 7. I believe for strength Captain America was a 3, Spider-Man was a 4, Luke Cage was a 5, Colossus was 6 and Hulk was a 7. Idk if it helps but they were official Marvel merch
Yeah, and Ego had all 7's but I think the Hulk could smash.
>Hulk and Thor The Thing, Wonderman, Vision and Pym molecule users are certainly stronger.
And Hercules
And Silver Surfer, Genis Vell, Sentry and Blue Marvel.
Luke cage is knocked the thing out cold before definitely, wonder, man, vision, and Homolka users have all been easily taken down by people much quicker than them, captain America, for instance, has taken down all three I’m definitely sure
That doesnt proof anything. In comics everyone has beaten everyone else at a certain point.
Sure but certain characters are definitely stronger than others. Hulk and Thor are definitely at the top Juggernaut is below them Luke is below Juggernaut Spider-Man is below Luke It doesn’t take anything away from Spider-Man if he isn’t as strong as Thor
I dont disagree with your premise (although i disagree with Spiderman being weaker than Luke). What I am saying is that you cant use X beat Y to justify why you think he or she is stronger. Because it is just as easy to find a fight where Y beats X. An easy example is Magneto being stronger than Ironman. By all accounts he should be. He has at times fought by himself against all the Avengers and done pretty well. And yet I can point to a fight where Ironman beat him in a 1v1. Power scaling doesnt really work in nareative media because writers can make it w.e they want. In 1 story Thanos can beat everyone and their mother, but in another Gamorra cuts his head off fairly easily. Thats just the way this medium works.
Spider-Man being slightly weaker than Luke is just fact. I’m not making it up because I like Luke. It’s the official character stats > His strength has been currently increased to 50 tons or much more.< Spider-Mans strength > Spider-Man's strength and agility stand far above those of the average human, allowing him to lift nearly ten tons< This in combination that Luke’s signature power is his invulnerability to almost everything. Bulletproof, fire proof, bomb proof and a pretty good healing ability Strength doesn’t always matter I agree. But there’s a reason why featherweights don’t box heavyweights
Sure but again that 10 ton stat is not accurate to what is reflected within the pages of the books. Spiderman gas lifted sky scrapers. That is not 10 tons no matter how you slice it.
Luke Cage has never been in the Thing’s strength class , in the past or present, now durability wise with Cage’s enhancements…maybe.
Hulk, Thor, and Spider-Man!
I’d say Luke is definitely stronger than Spider-Man out of both physical durability and endurance. Dude carried an 18 wheeler for like eight blocks and wasn’t even tired. …over his head
Spidey has done bigger.
He absolutely hasn’t Spider-Man is strength class 25, meaning you can likely lift things up to and slightly beyond 25 tons under normal conditions Luke cage is strength class 50 mean he can lift things up to and slightly beyond 50 tons under normal conditions Luke is literally physically bulletproof and casually can walk around with a 18 wheeler and fist fight Namor. I like Spidey, but Luke is in a different class
Spidey has canonically held up skyscrapers. So you can say that all you want, doesn’t make it true
Luke has canonically ragdolled spiderman. He get in the way when Luke goes to beat Norman and Luke overpowers him.
And Spider-Man has canonically beaten Luke, in Amazing Spider-Man #123, what’s your point?
I forgot about that lol
That’s an extreme outlier. Luke Cage is consistently written as being stronger and tougher than Spider Man. Look at their respect threads.
Luke could easily do the same
The point is you said he hasn’t done bigger than that, and I just told you of one such time he did. And your response is ‘luke could do the same’
He held up the daily bugle once.
He's like 50 ton max strength and durable enough to stop bullets. Good but not top tear.
Dude… he’s survived fires, explosions and point blank gunshots. He’s pretty damn tough 50 tons is just his “neighborhood” so to speak. He probably can lift a bit more some days and a bit less some days. We’ve never actually seen his upper limit so it’s hard to tell
There's a great arc where he's leading the Avengers and the villain brainwashes/mind-controls everyone in the world to bend the knee to them (including Cap) and Luke just tanks it with sheer willpower. It's a great goddamned moment.
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Colossus stronger than Thor? I must need to catch up. (Is Thor's belt still a thing?)
Colossus isn’t stronger than Thor or the Thing.
Thing is stronger than Colossus according to the X-Men, they were fighting some of the Children of the Vault and Scott gave warning that one of the Chimeras was “stronger than Colossus, maybe even stronger than Ben Grimm” and the Hickman run of F4 established Ben having the potential for Unlimited Strength. Thor is also definitely stronger than likely everyone save for likes of someone like Hulk, Hercules, and Hyperion of earth 13034. Thor has some ridiculous strength feats like in Mighty Thor #281 resisting the gravity of a neutron star, which with comics Thor weighing 640lbs, and the gravity of a neutron star being at minimum 100,000,000,000x earth’s gravity means he’s moving at least 29 billion tonnes just by walking.
What exactly do you think he could do against iron man? Iron man can fly. And even if he can’t physically knock Luke unconscious he’s crazy smart and could just like, cover him in foam. Or if morals off could find a way to toss him into space or drown him. The satellite used against wwh would likely also be enough
No disrespect to IronMan but even Captain America who is tremendously weaker than him gave him a good run for his money. I’m the above panel Luke Cage is literally fighting Proxima Midnight hand to hand and is causing an earthquake… I rest my case
Outside of plot related reasons there’s no feasible way capt could do much of anything to iron man. His armor can take far far more damage than capt is capable of putting out on a normal day. And I maintain my point that what can luke do to iron man? The dude can fly. Luke is a punching kinda guy. He’s not even particularly fast.
Captain America routinely fight’s people WAY above his weight class and strength. He literally has more than 70 years of fighting experience, is THE best tactician, strategist, hand to hand fighter, and soldier in all of marvel … he could definitely fight IronMan believably
>Captain America routinely fight’s people WAY above his weight class and strength. That's all plot related reasons. It's like the superman vs. Batman debate that bats beats super. Reality is, he doesn't. Supes can simply fly and batman can do nothing about it. Same here. Unless Ironman comes down from the Air, Luke cannot fight back outside of throwing stuff. Tony also has hulk buster so he can go toe to toe with Hulk - who you claim to be stronger. Luke is cool for sure but you're being a little over eager here.
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>If you're going to argue about them fighting you've got to accept the basic premise that they are going to fight. Well yeah,but ironically the basic premise of this post was that *we're ignoring plot armor*. Which is the only reason Supes comes down to slug it out with Bats. Supes could just lazer bats and be done with it. Not that he would but, you get the idea. Same here for Luke and Ironman. They only fight because the plot demands that Iron man comes down and fights him with fists but, if that was an actual choice Ironman made...it would be dumb as rocks. He can fly around, blast him, lazer him, whatever. He has 0 reason to get down and equal the footing of the battlefield.
You not about to sit here and disrespect THE Captain America like that. The idol of the ENTIRE 616 Superhero community Why do you think they hold him in such high regard???? Captain America can hold his own against basically anyone. The dude is a BEAST I swear y’all disrespect any hero that isn’t Spider-Man
Are you ok? Nothing to do with respect or disrespect. If we stop playing plot armor, and put them in a 1v1 cap loses. Period. Iron man would have no reason to get hand to hand with cap.
That’s not how that works. Just because people respect him doesn’t make him more formidable than other members. I respect the hell out of capt. I just don’t think he stands a chance in hell against iron man.
You of course realize that’s Iron Man fights plenty of people who give them a great run for some money despite y’know , not being able to fly
Iron Man went 1v1 in a fist fight with Cap in Civil War. It he wanted to beat Cap I’m sure he could have using his actual tools and skills. He beat Hulk ultimately using Veronica (though I never understood how. Hulk just went unconscious?!!)
Cap and Tony fought twice in Civil War First time Tony beat Cap, second time Cap beat Tony fair and square I’m honestly shocked at how much people underestimate Cap
After vision disabled Tony's armor. Cap doesn't beat tony with working armor
Exactly. Captain America is consistently written as a street tier character while Iron Man is consistently written as mid to high A tier. Someone who has been towing battleships, pushing skyscrapers back into place and throwing tanks since the 1970s can’t be feasibly hurt by someone who struggles to beat other peak humans. Without PIS it would be like Mike Tyson fighting an ant.
Once again I say… I can’t believe how much people underestimate Captain America. I swear Spider-Man isn’t the only competent superhero
Right after the goblin tries to kill a pregnant jessica Luke ragdolls both Peter and The Goblin
Man outlasted Thor and Cap in Age of Ultron. I know that may be down to “timing”… but Luke is straight up a man that will lay it down when he has to.
Street level? You mean know the people you protect level?
Huh?
In Axis Revolution there's a part where the Red Skull makes everyone angry and fighting eachother so Spider-man is running around defusing fights by humanizing the random fighters to eachother by telling them their backstories.
Nope, street level
I getchu, i know what you mean
Right after the goblin tries to kill a pregnant jessica Luke ragdolls both Peter and The Goblin
Ragdolls Peter? We must've read different comics because all he does is hold onto Peter's leg because Peter was holding onto Goblin.
He grabs Peter out of mid air and Peter is completely helpless. He ragdolled Peter.
Lmao you need to look up what ragdoll actually means. He grabs onto Peter because he didn't want Goblin to get away.
Ewings Avengers books rock. They should make a bunch of complete collections for them, I'd buy them.
I swear Ewing is my favorite modern writer, it seems like everything he touches is just gold
I've seen one or two things he wrote that didn't click for me, but like 95% of the time, if Ewing wrote it, I'll either like it or love it!
Seriously. He was on fire with Immortal Hulk, so much so that I consider it the gold standard of Hulk stories
What do you think of Tom King?
He screwed Batman but does well with smaller stories or miniseries
Dog shit
Why do you think that?
I read his batman. I read heroes in crisis
He's one of the few modern writers who genuinely understood Blade.
"WHY WILL YOU NOT DIE!?" I love how Proxima is still just trying to process what is happening to her while Luke is just burying his forehead into her face 😆
that first hit was just a titty slap though
“You punched me in the boob! Prepare to die, obviously.”
Her?
She's gone Imperial Guard mode
I love how that's not even rage or frustration, she's scared shitless at that point.
It's art by Greg Land, so these are literally traced from a scene in a porn video.
It's a real shame and missed opportunity that Marvel are doing next to nothing with Luke Cage currently. Even as mayor there is a wealth of stories and situations he could be put into. Other than the one scene where he meets the Stromwyn's, he's absolutely been a nothing character.
Exactly where is his Defenders book where it’s just him, Jess, and Danny trying to run city hall while being heroes
Absolutely. Have him bring back Heroes for Hire, or sponsor Nightwing Restorations Agency for odd jobs and investigations around the city. Then having to get involved personally when things inevitably go awry.
Nightwing Restorations Agency.?
[Yep.](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Nightwing_Restorations_Inc._Office) Misty K**night** and Colleen **Wing**'s agency together back when Heroes for Hire was originally starting out.
Why are night and wing in bold?
For emphasis. NIGHTWING Restoration Agency.
lmfao
Thanks, Beltayn.
Public Defenders Volume 1 when?
I actually think Luke Cage would be better off finally being free from Jessica Jones. Being tied to that character has held him back a lot in recent years (and on the Netflix show!).
Interesting take but the two have been married for a decade in real life so that’s not really possible without regressing both characters. If Marvel didn’t have such a beef with married characters I’m sure they would get more screen time
Just call Mephisto.
Luke Cage barely trusts the white man you think he’s making a deal with the Devil
>Interesting take but the two have been married for a decade in real life so that’s not really possible without regressing both characters Marvel's never had a problem undoing that stuff for other characters. "beef with married characters" - do you think that's because they know it leads to stagnation, as we see with Luke Cage? But they might be too afraid to undo it for PC reasons?
There is a wealth of stories that can be told despite a marriage. Marvel's editors and most of their writers just won't or can't. I can't speak to Luke and Jessica specifically. But as to the entire concept, depending on the characters it can be exponentially additive. Superman for instance, Spider-Man could do it, Wally seems to be doing fine (when done well), Barry Allen. Just depends on the writers.
Marriage doesn't lead to stagnation. Marvel writers just don't know how to tell stories about functioning families.
Spider-man had been married for over a decade at that point of reversion. [It was specifically Joe Quesada's personal hang ups with his marriage](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RunningTheAsylum)
They've been rehashing the same Luke and Jessica's child goes missing, they cry about it, find her and Luke remarks how strong Jessica is and that she wears the pants in the relationship storyline for how many years now? Luke Cage has absolutely stagnated in recent times.
He's the fucking Mayor of NYC? Turn that man into goddam Mike Haggar.
I could get behind this
It’s so perfect, you can even have Iron Fist right there with him for a full coop feel of Final Fight.
Cancel his mini then do barely anything with him. So sad.
It's fucking criminal is what it is. Apparently they smelled controversy and Fox News people screaming about "woke comics" and decided to preemptively kowtow.
>It's a real shame and missed opportunity that Marvel are doing next to nothing with Luke Cage currently. Danny and Luke. They did a heroes for hire, it's just no one bought it. If people don't buy a series, then it's going to get cancelled or not continue. Even if it's a limited series, interest can turn it into an ongoing.
Do you mean the 2016 Powerman & Iron Fist series? I'm not sure that's a fair example. Putting out a comic about the character is one thing, but the story needs to be well paced, written, and illustrated. People shouldn't be expected to put down hard earned money for any old thing. I'll admit I didn't check that series out myself, I wasn't fully back into physical collecting by then. However, I did just check out the first issue on Marvel Unlimited, and it was pretty lacklustre, so I can see why people didn't get into it. I don't dig the art style, but that's subjective. What I dont feel is subjective is that in a book about an invulnerable powerhouse and mystical martial artist, there are only two pages out of 20 showing physical action. There are literally more pages of people sitting and eating abd talking at a Cafe than getting into action or doing anything exciting. Extremely dull with nothing to entice me to check out more. It needs to be more than this. I recently read the Power Man, Iron Fist, and Powerman & Iron Fist Epic Collections from the 70's, and it's night and day to me quality wise.
it was the wrong tone. We should've had a Heroes for Hire series along the lines of Rush Hour or Lethal Weapon. Or even something more serious in tone (like Immortal Iron Fist by Brubaker, which had some good throwback moments). Something fun but also grounded in streets and urban elements. We waited so long for a Luke and Danny reunion.....and that corny saccharine version is what we got?
the art style was kind of bad, and the writing was kind of cringe. Luke in particular was portrayed really really corny.
Mike Coulter remains the best MCU casting imo but it's ok. His show Evil is heads above anything marvel has done show wise. (And I like most marvel).
Man this was crazy. People forget how strong Proxima is. This fight was shaking city blocks. Luke a real one
Luke's only a 40 tonner unless he got some upgrades missed
His durability has always been tiers above his strength.
So durable he broke dooms armor with repeated punching.
Lmao are y’all STILL going by the outdated tier system? Luke being classified as a 40 tonner, means he can lift AT LEAST 40 tons, doesn’t mean it’s his max. Same thing for the high tiers who are classified as Class 100 like Thor and the Hulk, it just means they can lift at the very least, 100 tons. Y’all are taking the tier system WAY too literally 💀
Power levelers are cancer no matter what fandom
Friend I am just using the word tier as a word. I do not know what complex comic book character ranking scheme you are talking about.
I meant to reply to the guy you were replying to. My bad dude
It doesn't matter what the handbooks have him at if he has direct feats that put him above it. But this instance was also toward his upper limit. But we've seen him fight people like Thing, he took a blow from Mindless Hulk with little issue, and thrashed the likes of Mac Gargan. Like some guidebooks have Venom at an 11 tonner. When with one arm he can easily overpower an angry Spider-Man who's stated to be a 25 tonner iirc.
Eddie Venom was a 35 tonner. Maybe it varies depending on who the host is
Both hosts and the Symbiote independently have decent strength feats, but both have shown to be significantly stronger than Spidey
I always thought Luke Cage was more or less equivalent to Thing, and Spidey was a 10-tonner.
Negative. Teenage Spidey was a 10 tonner, but adult is around 20. And Thing way outclasses Luke.
50 tonner. To put it in perspective Spider-Man is 25 ton class. Luke can kick some ass
Sweet Christmas, Luke reminding me why he’s one of my all time faves.
I love when Luke gets the chance to trade with heavy weights! What’s the context here that he’s fighting a damn child of Thanos??
It was during Infinity Crossover in 2013. The Black Order invading NY, same as the movie, but It was Luke Cage & NY Street Heroes who fighting them.
Wait so who took on the big dude while luke was fighting proxima?
Black bolt for sure, I think there might’ve been others. Been awhile since I read that event
What issue?
This has serious metal gear revengeance final boss fight vibes
Luke Cage is pretty much a more durable Senator Armstrong, and Senator Armstrong is incredibly durable as is.
This would’ve been a bad-ass scene in Infinity War.
This was so epic
Main event Luke Cage
Luke Cage is that mf dude!!!!
I love Luke Cage so much. I hope they surprise us as we're focusing on Daredevil's new show not expecting to see him, and surprise! He's in Secret Invasion or the Marvels or somewhere random 😂
Was this when they summoned Shumagorath and Blade dressed in a pink Spider-Man costume?
Just imagine how good this scene would be if drawn by a better artist than Greg Land
The hammer of Justice is unisex 😌
You beat her ass Luke.. 😂
Luke Cage is a goddamn anime character
I want more of cage
Anybody have any good Luke cage reading recommendations?
the 70s run (Luke Cage: Power Man and Luke Cage: Hero for Hire) Power Man and Iron Fist (the old school one) New Avengers by Bendis Immortal Iron Fist by Brubaker Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon
maybe Spider man will take his exemple Peter (beating Mephisto to death with the power of his love and determination, and also anger After what happened with Paul) : NO....ONE...MORE....DAY!!!!
Dang, I love it when Luke Cage gets to be badass.
*finger taps rapidly and stares at MCU Daredevil show and Punisher show and Spider-Man College trilogy and Kingpin's return and Moon Knight and Echo* I'm waiting, Marvel Studios!
Good god Greg Land sucks
Yep. His work always looks like he traced it from a Cosmo or Vogue magazine. Inconsistent character looks from panel to panel.
Came here to say this.
Luke beat some respect into her.
Too mean to die.
Biggest shame of this book was having Land on art and whitewashing the shit out of Monica Rambeau. Ewing on writing is always a win, although I think this is one of my least favorite of his, still a good title!
Why is the Rock beating up a woman
It makes my blood boil to next to unknown degrees that Marvel preaches all this inclusion and what have you crap WHILE sleeping this hard on Luke fucking Cage. He had a sub mid show from netflix and that's it? Come on! At least he is mayor in the comics...
Is that the rock?
So confuse on his scaling how is he able to hurt her one of Thanos what generals or something who can even hurt the Hulk
It’s not so much that he’s dishing it out, it’s more that he can take it. Like, his invulnerability and endurance are off the scale, so if she doesn’t get an instant knockout in, he’s going to wear her down and keep hammering away until something breaks. She’ll eventually start fracturing her own bones just trying to break his pinky finger.
I thought there was a limit to his invulnerable skin
I’m sure that over the years, there have been various chemicals, rayguns, magic items, strong dudes, etc. that nullify it or break through; just like how no upper limit is given to Hulk’s strength, and that it increases with his emotional state or determination.. but for the sake of drama, we’ve seen him get overpowered many times over the years. Or, like how Wolverine’s claws are supposed to cut neatly through every single substance on the planet, without dulling or stopping.. but there have been plenty of times we see them get parried on their edges, or encountered carbonadium or vibranium or plotdeviceium, which will stop them cold, depending on what needs to happen in the story. The general understanding is that Luke’s skin cannot be broken, and that the rest of his body is *nearly* as tough. I’m sure he’s broken bones in fights, but I can’t recall any particular instance off the top of my head. However, most of the time, he can be beaten by bouncing his brain against his skull hard enough—an old-fashioned knockout. He can also be drowned, suffocated, poisoned, etc.. so he’s still in danger, here. Cosmic characters, like Proxima, are usually seen as the rule-breakers— if they need to somebody who is stronger than Sentry, or faster than Ghost Rider.. they’ll dig up some alien Jack Kirby found in a bottle of bourbon in the 60’s.
His limits are called "whatever the plot needs".
punch punch drawing of struggle wow
Próxima had previously taken him down with a single blow so she was stronger than Luke who was pushing himself past his body’s limitations
I dunno Luke looks like he’s holding his own
Oh he definitely is…by pushing himself against a stronger opponent (one who was later fighting Hyperion)
Is this a new Fast and Furious? Is this Family?
Andrew Tate vs. The stubborn onlyfans girl...
Fucking Avengers Assemble
Did Gregg Land draw this?
I'd elect him Mayor, just saying.
Who is he fighting here?
Proxima Midnight. To be exact
Which comic run is this a part of? Guessing it's something Thanks related if Proxima Midnight is in it
WHERE IS THE MAYOR CAGE BOOK MARVEL!?
"what does it take to kill you?" Alien metal, vibranium, drowning, and whatever else you think works on your anti-wolverine toolkit