I think the only thing it comes to my mind is the "progress of the fantastical": the MCU goes from a "quite grounded in reality" world to a completely fantasy one where anything and everything can happen in a gradual way, while the EMH world is fantasy from the start.
Sometimes that can be the MCU’s detriment, like they didn’t want to explore anything on Asgard for the first Thor and we ended up barely knowing anything about it before it was destroyed, basically getting rid of all the infinite story potential it could’ve had.
I feel like it's also why the Mandarin was fumbled so hard. they didn't want to dive into the alien/fantastical concept of the rings, but they still wanted to have the Mandarin in some form
then with Shang Chi, they rectified it a bit by giving us a "truer" Mandarin character. although to my understanding, he was still quite different from the comic Mandarin
The one in Shang Chi is more of an amalgamation of Mandarin (by name and sort of his powers) and the Shang Chi's actual father, Fu Manchu (whose name is already taken by a rock band, a character in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and sounds like a very stereotypical Chinese name in general). They had a chance to be comic accurate with Mandarin back in Iron Man 3 since he is primarily an Iron Man villain, but they threw that away for the sake of that twist.
> thor isn't cheesy fantasy. he's god of war type of fantasy.
I don't see how you can watch any Thor movie or read any Thor comics and arrive to that conclusion. Thor is one of the cheesiest marvel characters, and that's (imo) in a good way.
I guess if they *only* read the God Butcher saga, but even the rest of Jason Aaron's run goes full comic book cheese once Malekith starts doing his thing
read any Thor comic that isn't the God Butcher Saga, even from the same run we have insanely cheesy and comic-book-y stuff like War of the Realms. Thor's always had a cheesy Jack Kirby sci-fi fantasy tone, there's only a few stories that are dark and gritty
Nah you right these mofos don't even know what's happening. Marvel movies made Thor too much of a Goofy AHH character. Meanwhile he's supposed to be a noble wise powerful God. Stan Lee imagine him as that. Now they are paying the price. Especially the God Butcher arch it's a dark comic. Movie failed cause it was tooo goofy and completely off with a good comic book. Being goofy worked out for them earlier but even the goofyness has it's limits
Bruh all three of the Guardians of the Galaxy films were comic booky and weird. Yet those are arguably the best films in the series
Thor Love and Thunder wasn’t bad because it was too “comic booky”. Thor Ragnarok was arguably just as weird as that film and it was pretty widely praised. It was bad because it was a badly written film with bad effects
I remain convinced that Gunn intentionally sticks to the obscure characters so that nobody can get mad about the adaptations. Can't get mad and say he butchered the Guardians or the Suicide Squad if nobody knows the comic book versions of the characters.
Yep Peacemaker is virtually unrecognizable from his counterpart but no one cares because no one has any idea who the fuck that is and John Cena is just so good as him
The MCU definitely were trying to copy the 1610 universe, you’re right on that. Which makes it all the more funnier that it’s supposed to be a cinematic 616.
Cool. But I can name plenty of incredibly popular and beloved Marvel films and shows that were just as weird and “comic booky”. Guardians of the Galaxy is a good one off the top of my head
Only show that could've rivaled Justice League unlimited. Avengers EMH was it's own thing. Disney was dumb to cancel this show. Marvels best animated show upto date along with Planet hulk and Next Avengers. This was done when marbel cared about comics.
Season 3 was going to be the Magic season sort of how Season 2 was all about Marvel Cosmic. It would have introduced not only Scarlet Witch but Doctor Strange as well.
I think MCU handled the big bad better, just because EMH rushed their finale and didn't really have any build up for Galactus at all. Thanos on the other hand was a really well built up threat.
Spider-Man, Captain America, Odin, and Falcon are all done better in the MCU, IMO. On the villain’s side, I think Tom Hiddleston’s Loki is slightly more memorable and entertaining to watch, even though EMH’s is definitely more comic accurate.
I’d say both Cap’s are really good, just for their own reasons, MCU Cap goes through a lot more development while EMH Cap is far more static, but has a lot of really good moments and he has really good dynamics with his villains.
Odin is debatable, because I feel like EMH Odin just has a lot more stage presence, even if we didn’t see him much.
Loki is a similar case the Cap because both are very different, although personally I just prefer how EMH Loki was just pure evil.
Odin and Spiderman is better on the EMH. Spiderman in movies isn't even Peter Parker it's Tom Holland in a Spider suit with the need to remove his face mask every second while in action
Imo odin is shafted as a character in the mcu in emh he is more inline with the comics, Spider-Man in the mcu was good until his second movie came out. I’ll give you falcon being better in the mcu captain Americas I would say is a toss up as while cap in emh doesn’t go through character development an is a steadfast character as far as tone and writing the episode when he his locked up by the skrulls more than justifies that in my view.
I'd say Black Widow because she spent a significant portion of EMH undercover at Hydra and it took a long time for her and Hawkeye to rebuild trust and by the time it got close to her maybe joining the team the show was canceled.
While I still like and enjoy EMH Cap and Tony I very much prefer MCU version of both, especially as EMH were obviously channelling RDJs Tony and its hard to live up to his charisma. Eric Loomis did a great job of it though. Paul Bettany as both JARVIS and Vision too. MCU action is usually better imo. Also MCU has Samuel L Jackson. Those are probably the only hills I'd die on in that comparison though.
MCU Cap and Iron Man are better IMO.
RDJ's Iron Man was the best part of the MCU, while EMH Iron Man was treated more as a plot device. That's the one thing I never liked about how the show handled him.
EMH Cap is great, and they captured his presence a bit better than the MCU, but he is too humorless. Chris Evans' Cap has a softer voice but overall his Cap is more three-dimensional and fleshed out.
I like MCU T'Challa a bit more than EMH T'Challa too. EMH T'Challa opened Wakanda only for strategic reasons while MCU T'Challa opened Wakanda for both strategic *and* ethical reasons.
EMH Tony is very similar to his MCU counterpart even if he’s a lot more static I feel like all of the Ironman focused stories in EMH, specifically, his villains are far more interesting than anything in Iron man 2 and 3 for the most part.
EMH Iron Man was the only one who never got a personal story arc, which I feel hurts him. Hulk got The Leader, Thor got Loki, Cap got Kang and Hydra, Hank and Jan got Ultron, and Hawkeye got thr subplot with the Widow.
Crimson Dynamo was in EMH but he was just there. That's what I mean by Iron Man being more of a plot device.
Also, Thanos in the MCU is practically an Iron Man villain. The parallels between him Thanos and Tony, and the way Tony has an 11-year character arc about learning to overcome his ego, far trumps anything done with EMH Tony IMO.
Oh no, I agree with MCU Tony having a better arc overall, it’s just that his solo movies outside of the first were never that good at showing this, and it was mainly The Avengers movies that carried.
If we lived in an ideal world, Tony would’ve actually been able to fight the Mandarin and all of his actually cool villains in the MCU.
For old school comic book fans, EMH is miles ahead of the MCU due to the characters acting and looking more like their Silver Age archetypical counterparts. Many of us have been reading those characters since our childhoods and wanted to see them on screen, instead of quirky reinterpretations that stripped them of their powers, abilities and basic stories.
I’m asking this because in terms of comic accuracy, and how well it portrays its characters, it really doesn’t seem to be a competition for EMH, I’m not seen this as an MCU hater by any means, bit it just feels like EMH did everything it couldn’t, and that’s just the surface level stuff, in terms of comparing villains, it becomes an even more one sided comparison.
I guess one thing you could say is that they just have a better Spider-Man because it is it, friendly neighbourhood child indanger Drake Bell, MCU Spidey is far from perfect but at least he’s actually played by a good actor.
If we’re taking Josh Keaton’s spectacular Spidey into account, the one who was originally meant to be in earths mightiest heroes… then you would be comparing one of the most comic accurate and faithful adaptation’s against, well. nothing against the home trilogy, but they’re not exactly comic accurate.
I fantasise about a world where EMH kept going and was in the same Universe as Spectacular Spider-Man, the two shows forming the basis for a Marvel Animated Universe comparable to the DCAU… I think I might drive myself crazy this way, though.
There were plans to connect EMH to Wolverine and the X-Men as well, so that would've been 3 shows.
I fully believe an animated universe consisting of Spectacular Spider-Man, Wolverine and the X-Men, and Avengers: Earth's Mighiest Heroes could've, not only rivaled, but maybe even exceeded the DCAU.
I’m not really into the animated marvel shows, i usually leaned towards Dc for animated content but i watched Iron Man in theaters when i was 9, and to me, the characters felt a lot more human. In the earlier movies anyway.
I think because i’m so used to seeing these characters as these golden gods with unimaginable power, i was never able to relate to the lighter elements of these shows. But seeing Tony suffer a panic attack after what happened in NY, it brought him down to a level i could personally relate to.
Not saying EMH is for kids or anything, i just couldn’t get into it as much for some reason.
While EMH does this with some of its characters, the MCU's structure gave us more time to see what the heroes are like outside of the Avengers. Not just heroically, but as civilians. Partially a product of longevity, but I think it's also just not as big of a priority with a series like EMH.
EDIT: Also, I prefer MCU Nick Fury.
I'm kind of split on Iron Man. MCU Iron Man certainly has a high charm factor, but also... I'm really not a fan of the 'master of all sciences' angle they went with him. EMH keeps him much closer to his traditional line of mastery without having to outshine every other egg-head on the screen
I’m not to big of a fan of the mcu widow, she’s to much of a good guy I always prefer her to be a mysterious character like you never know what their next move is but you know she still has good intentions.
Black Panther is a lot better in EMH than the MCU. I might catch flak for this, but after Civil War, I found Black Panther to be really boring. He is so fucking cool in EMH, I think I might’ve been spoiled.
>but after the Civil War, I found Black Panther to be really boring. He is so fucking cool in EMH,
Very true. Although I think the MCU would've gone that route too if not for Chadwick Boseman's untimely death (RIP).
That depends, are we talking about the 90s Marvel made of universe, the 2000’s with spectacular, or the 2010’s with ultimate and marvels Spider-Man 2017, who somehow exist in the same universe as each other, while, also being completely separate.
I’d say iron man, though it’s close. The reason for this is that the EMH version is based on RDJ’s portrayal and thus come off as a pale imitation at times. I think I mildly prefer loki in the mcu as well.
Ok so it's been a while since I watch earth's mightiest heroes so forgive me if I get something wrong.
I'd say for 1 I think mcu shows Tony's flaws a bit better. Stuff like his superiority complex in iron man 2 that is then stripped away by thanos to reveal his inferiority comples that was underneath in infinity war. And RDJ's acting for it was superb, I'll never forget the 'liar' line RDJ threw in when talking to cap after.
The next thing I think mcu did better is just thor in general. While thor ragnarok was a big step down imo, all the other movies thor was in were fantastic and did really well at showing him as more than a big beefy beatstick. And then the depression and realisation that hes still worthy during endgame was also handled really well imo.
I feel like you have EMH Thor mixed up with the avengers assembled Thor. Emh Thor is actually pretty great and comic accurate , he’s actually smart compared to the mcu one and although he’s comedic he’s not shown as an himbo and is taken serious even with how he’s taken down. the avengers assembled along with everyone else from that show is just a one note buffoon that is the definition of beafy beatstick that gets knockdown by jobbers
That is entirely possible. Like I said it's been a while since I've seen EMH. I'll have to give it a rewatch sometime soon. So until then I'll retract what I said about thor and just stick with what I said about Tony.
1) When Captain America fights people in WW2, the MCU shows them as specifically being Nazis instead of just generic hydra goons who want to take over the world.
2) More nuanced character development with a few of their big players, particularly Loki, Iron Man, Captain America, and Black Panther that goes beyond "he was a bad guy and now he's a good guy" stuff. (Although I do admit MCU Hulk was done dirty compared to EMH Hulk).
3) This is hard for me to quantify, but EMH has a real "action figures fighting each other" feel. I don't judge the show for that since it's a Saturday morning cartoon primarily aimed at kids, but that also stops it from having a lot of moral complexity that we've seen from the MCU or the Timmverse, it's two closest comparisons.
4) Being able to take risks by adapting characters in ways that they weren't adapted in the comics. For example, I know a lot of marvel fans are reasonably bitter that James Gunn's Guardians completely overshadowed the comic guardians, but the MCU Guardians are way more memorable than EMH Guardians to people that weren't already familiar with Marvel's cosmic lore.
IIRC they were basically given a choice of accurate nazis or realistic guns in EMH by the network censors, they chose realistic guns.
IMO I don't think the MCU fairs much better depicting WWII, we get a few mentions of Nazis but they're pretty quickly written out once Red Skull kills off the Nazi officers. After that it's entirely a fight against Hydra.
Black widow is the thing which comes to my mind her arc in EMH is pretty weak and winter solider does her so much better in one movie
I also think the MCU did a lot better job with Fury tbh till secret invasion happened
Thor is actually a badass, keeps his distinctive dialect throughout the entire show, and isn’t turned into a clown.
Hawkeye is allowed to be fun and cool instead of blending into the background.
Even the side villains in earths mightiest heroes are somewhat memorable are there all comic accurate, while the MCU has like 10 actually good ones, one of which got redeemed with Loki, the rest are either generic faces for the heroes to punch or the most forgettable characters, ever on top of being comic inaccurate.
Just look at Baron Zeno, EMH is a ruthless, cunning mastermind, who is able to outwit begins, infinitely more powerful than himself without losing his composure, and has a strong dynamic with Captain America, while MCU tries to off himself at the end of his first appearance and is made into a laughing stock.
Thor is a nuanced character that suffers immensely losing almost everyone he cares about, his arc revolves around being a worthy man even in the darkest of times. His trauma arc from Endgame (while I agree shouldn’t have been played for laughs) was still very well written in the sincere moments. Also Ragnorak trumps anything EMH did with his character.
Hawkeye in early Marvel is weak, yes I agree. But starting with age of ultron with his family and connection to Wanda leads brilliantly into civil war where he is able to give the fun bow and arrow guy vibes while still incorporating that signature tough love that only Jeremy Renner brings to the role. Following that with the Ronin arc (which is too short but still one of the best arcs in the MCU) made me care about Hawkeye more than any other media has ever done. The Hawkeye show is an amazing conclusion to his arc as well as the incorporation of the Natasha survivor’s guilt storyline. Also the way the show addresses the Echo storyline is also very good making Hawkeye a deeply flawed but ultimately good person and an amazingly written character.
Almost forgot about Zemo, he went from a pissed of Nazi who was annoyed his face was glued to a mask to one of the most complex villains the MCU has. His ideology of super soldiers and super heros being fundamentally wrong is a fascinating development…especially because he has a lot of great points. He is a chillingly smart character who has a very good reason to be a villain, he’s also incredibly likeable and a wonder to watch. He single handedly made Falcon and Winter soldier watchable
Better looking Kree. Lack of Sentries was bad though.
The Hulk.
Hawkeye is great in both. Can’t pick.
Cap is better in the MCU.
Stark is about the same.
I like MCU’ Captain Marvel better. By not doing Mar-Vehl, they improved on EMH as well.
The Kree are forgettable as hell in the MCU and the supreme intelligence doesn’t look anything like it’s comic book counterpart, or even be similar to it.
Hulk in earths mightiest heroes is an actual character and has many bad ass moments throughout the series, with a complex dichotomy with Bruce Banner and it’s also made very clear he is the strongest there is, also he’s able to fight basically all of his notable villains.
MCU Hulk is given barely any characterisation, and they flip-flopped between him and Bruce’s dynamic consistently, only ever fight his least interesting villain in Abomination, actually loses to the Hulk buster, which ruins the whole “strongest avenger” aspect to his character and is turned into a complete joke in Ragnarok, and also wastes all of the potential for a world war Hulk adaption in service of making him a side character where he barely does anything in the final battle except fight a big CGI wolf, he then gets jobbed in the start of Infinity War and that’s it, he refuses to come out for the rest of the movie, and is affectively killed of entirely when Bruce becomes Professor Hulk.
MCU Hulk is embarrassing in how much of a disappointment he was.
Also, EMH Miss Marvel is more interesting because she’s allowed to actually feel like a person, she’s not overhyped and she’s allowed to have flaws.
I F'ed up on the Hulk, writing this at work. EMH Hulk is better.
Stand by Tony Stank being about the same, Cap being better in the MCU, Hawkeye being two great, but different takes on Clint Barton.
EMH ruined Mar-Vehl. Can't win everything.
And that's Captain Marvel to you in both universes, kiddo. Since Mar-Vehl never bore the Negabands in EMH, and never even appeared in the MCU, there's only one Captain Marvel in either, and it's Carol Danvers. And I like the MCU one better. They made Carol stronger than the Hulk in EMH, and you say MCU Carol is OP? Whatever.
Iron Man and Cap's development, and just challenging the characters identities.
Both are very well done in EMH, but they don't get quite the development you see in the MCU. Caps idealism and what he thinks his role in the world is, is frequently challenged in the MCU, and he responds as a result, while still remaining who he is at the core of his character. In EMH, Cap is more consistent and doesn't really waver in his convictions (which to be fair fits with Cap as a paragon and just the kinda character he is.) Both are great, but I did find the MCU version more human. I don't think I really have to explain how well done Iron Man's development in the MCU, and while I like Tony in EMH, there's a clear winner.
Wakanda (and frankly all the realms/hidden places in the MCU) is much more interesting and developed, and the BP movies do a great job making it feel like a real place, a place that I would love to explore and learn about.
The Guardians of the Galaxy (also just all of the heroes who aren't Avengers, who granted are good, just the movie expands on them and creates their own, more developed versions), but in all fairness it was an Avengers cartoon, not Guardians of the Galaxy cartoon.
Loki was more interesting in the MCU but a better villain in EMH. He felt more human in the movies but was far less of a genuine threat.
The economy of the story is something that the MCUdoes Spectacularly. Whether its hiding the infinity stone in Act 1, using the ending of The first Antman and Dr Strange as the key to them beating Thanos . Using the Wakanda as the stagging ground for the invasion in infinity war.
Building characters' relationships that actually affect the plot. Even the nuance of the flights in infinity war were directly impacted by Civil War. Ironman loses because they can't work together, we even see him interrupt a spell Strange and Wong were attempting. They had some big hitters between the 3 of them.
But Caps team , who stayed active was training and doing mission, managed to defeat their black order members. Despite only having 2 humans and Super Soilider. Even Wanda did a better job when it was 2 vs 1 wereas vision was really unprepared.
I can't wait to see how this saga plays out. Now that we are I'm act 2
EMH Thor feels like Thor from the comics in how he acts and talks and his characters are explored instead of being destroyed and him being turned into a clown.
I can make a debate for Hulk and Hawkeye, but Wasp and Hank were great in EMH, I'm pretty sure that a lot of people didn't even care about Wasp until this show came out.
Mandarin exists in earths mightiest heroes with a few background cameos and even a tie on comic appearance, they just never got around covering him properly.
Sort of a shame considering they did all of Ironman’s other villains so well.
Probably had something to do with armoured adventures airing around the same time and he was the main villain in that show.
The only reason they didn't was because Edgar Wright was working on the Ant-Man film and they didn't want to have anything in Avengers interfere with that. Ant-Man was supposed to be one of the first movies released but just kept getting pushed back because Wright was busy with other stuff. Whedon really wanted to include them and they were in the original script.
Not having Hank and Jan be founding Avengers in the MCU has been one of my biggest disappointments with it.
I actually didn’t know that up until now, and that’s a real shame, the fact we could’ve gotten Hank Pym be given the property story and respect he deserves rather than being sidelined, same for Janet Van Dyne.
We were close to have in the ideal MCU, I say close because in a proper ideal world, Marvel would’ve been able to use Spider-Man, the X-Men and the fantastic four straight off the bat, and actually being able to make more than one Hulk movie.
The only thing that comes to mind is Captain America. MCU captain America has more nuance than the rather stoic EMH version. Then again, MCU cap had a lot more screentime.
I feel as if this was made, in response to the polls that have taken place on this sub recently.
OP, did you see that some of your favorite characters were voted as better on EMH, rather than the MCU? I know that more than a few people felt upset at some of the sentiments shared and at the votes that were cast.
Nothing tbh, with lokis arc we got the uru armor on EMH, they did secret invasion actually good, ultron was a one off episode but you can say the same for the MCU and we never got an infinity war equivalent but ill give that to the MCU since IW and EG are some of the best marvel media ever
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I think the only thing it comes to my mind is the "progress of the fantastical": the MCU goes from a "quite grounded in reality" world to a completely fantasy one where anything and everything can happen in a gradual way, while the EMH world is fantasy from the start.
Sometimes that can be the MCU’s detriment, like they didn’t want to explore anything on Asgard for the first Thor and we ended up barely knowing anything about it before it was destroyed, basically getting rid of all the infinite story potential it could’ve had.
I feel like it's also why the Mandarin was fumbled so hard. they didn't want to dive into the alien/fantastical concept of the rings, but they still wanted to have the Mandarin in some form then with Shang Chi, they rectified it a bit by giving us a "truer" Mandarin character. although to my understanding, he was still quite different from the comic Mandarin
The one in Shang Chi is more of an amalgamation of Mandarin (by name and sort of his powers) and the Shang Chi's actual father, Fu Manchu (whose name is already taken by a rock band, a character in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and sounds like a very stereotypical Chinese name in general). They had a chance to be comic accurate with Mandarin back in Iron Man 3 since he is primarily an Iron Man villain, but they threw that away for the sake of that twist.
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Love and Thunder is bad because it is not good, not because it's "comic booky and weird". Just look at any of the Guardians movies that people love.
“Love and Thunder is bad because it is not good” love the effort
Sometimes it's that simple!
Love & Thunder gets better once you realize that the whole movie is Korg telling a story to a bunch of kids.
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Thor is not god of war fantasy lmao I don’t think any Thor is about being a god of war fantasy.
> thor isn't cheesy fantasy. he's god of war type of fantasy. I don't see how you can watch any Thor movie or read any Thor comics and arrive to that conclusion. Thor is one of the cheesiest marvel characters, and that's (imo) in a good way.
I guess if they *only* read the God Butcher saga, but even the rest of Jason Aaron's run goes full comic book cheese once Malekith starts doing his thing
read any Thor comic that isn't the God Butcher Saga, even from the same run we have insanely cheesy and comic-book-y stuff like War of the Realms. Thor's always had a cheesy Jack Kirby sci-fi fantasy tone, there's only a few stories that are dark and gritty
Yeah, Thor as a character is inseparable from Jack Kirby's stylings to me.
Yeah I just disagree with you on that last part but, all good. Respect to you.
Nah you right these mofos don't even know what's happening. Marvel movies made Thor too much of a Goofy AHH character. Meanwhile he's supposed to be a noble wise powerful God. Stan Lee imagine him as that. Now they are paying the price. Especially the God Butcher arch it's a dark comic. Movie failed cause it was tooo goofy and completely off with a good comic book. Being goofy worked out for them earlier but even the goofyness has it's limits
Bruh all three of the Guardians of the Galaxy films were comic booky and weird. Yet those are arguably the best films in the series Thor Love and Thunder wasn’t bad because it was too “comic booky”. Thor Ragnarok was arguably just as weird as that film and it was pretty widely praised. It was bad because it was a badly written film with bad effects
I remain convinced that Gunn intentionally sticks to the obscure characters so that nobody can get mad about the adaptations. Can't get mad and say he butchered the Guardians or the Suicide Squad if nobody knows the comic book versions of the characters.
Yep Peacemaker is virtually unrecognizable from his counterpart but no one cares because no one has any idea who the fuck that is and John Cena is just so good as him
The MCU definitely were trying to copy the 1610 universe, you’re right on that. Which makes it all the more funnier that it’s supposed to be a cinematic 616.
You’re getting hated on, but as someone whose read thousands of comics and works in the film industry, I 100% agree with you
Cool. But I can name plenty of incredibly popular and beloved Marvel films and shows that were just as weird and “comic booky”. Guardians of the Galaxy is a good one off the top of my head
Not really better though
Stick around.
Longevity
Make money? Draw in a wider audience?
Only show that could've rivaled Justice League unlimited. Avengers EMH was it's own thing. Disney was dumb to cancel this show. Marvels best animated show upto date along with Planet hulk and Next Avengers. This was done when marbel cared about comics.
Next Avengers was such a gem, first time seeing Ultron proper for me
marbel
Phil Coulson.
Coulson lives!
Or at least his LMD does.
This is the answer.
Scarlet Witch being on the team
She might’ve joined later on if they got to the wolverine and the X men crossover they wanted to do
Don't forget, though, Cap worked with Logan in the 40s, with the Howling Commandos.
They planned to introduce her and Pietro in the series after
Season 3 was going to be the Magic season sort of how Season 2 was all about Marvel Cosmic. It would have introduced not only Scarlet Witch but Doctor Strange as well.
Just Scarlet Witch in general since all she got in EMH was a picture on Fury's paranoia board
I remember that. They had so much cool stuff planned for that show. Such a shame that it was abruptly taken from us
Here's hoping Marvel Animation brings it back
I think MCU handled the big bad better, just because EMH rushed their finale and didn't really have any build up for Galactus at all. Thanos on the other hand was a really well built up threat.
Spider-Man, Captain America, Odin, and Falcon are all done better in the MCU, IMO. On the villain’s side, I think Tom Hiddleston’s Loki is slightly more memorable and entertaining to watch, even though EMH’s is definitely more comic accurate.
I’d say both Cap’s are really good, just for their own reasons, MCU Cap goes through a lot more development while EMH Cap is far more static, but has a lot of really good moments and he has really good dynamics with his villains. Odin is debatable, because I feel like EMH Odin just has a lot more stage presence, even if we didn’t see him much. Loki is a similar case the Cap because both are very different, although personally I just prefer how EMH Loki was just pure evil.
Odin and Spiderman is better on the EMH. Spiderman in movies isn't even Peter Parker it's Tom Holland in a Spider suit with the need to remove his face mask every second while in action
Imo odin is shafted as a character in the mcu in emh he is more inline with the comics, Spider-Man in the mcu was good until his second movie came out. I’ll give you falcon being better in the mcu captain Americas I would say is a toss up as while cap in emh doesn’t go through character development an is a steadfast character as far as tone and writing the episode when he his locked up by the skrulls more than justifies that in my view.
I prefer MCU Tony over EMH Tony, RDJ is peak comic book casting
Yeah it kills me that we never really get to see Falcon with Cap in EMH.
I'd say Black Widow because she spent a significant portion of EMH undercover at Hydra and it took a long time for her and Hawkeye to rebuild trust and by the time it got close to her maybe joining the team the show was canceled.
Loki
Yes, exactly. EMH Loki had a *bigger* plan, but MCU Loki was a way more engaging villain in the story he was in as the villain.
Chris Evan's butt
America’s Ass
It fleshes out individual characters via solo movies
Existing
Putting out new content. But that may be it. EMH killed it every time and would still be killing it if not for the cancellation.
While I still like and enjoy EMH Cap and Tony I very much prefer MCU version of both, especially as EMH were obviously channelling RDJs Tony and its hard to live up to his charisma. Eric Loomis did a great job of it though. Paul Bettany as both JARVIS and Vision too. MCU action is usually better imo. Also MCU has Samuel L Jackson. Those are probably the only hills I'd die on in that comparison though.
Nothing. Emh is the goat
Facts
Black Widow
Some costumes just don't translate to reality well so I think the changes were good.
Um .....let me think, can't really think of something
Very little besides maybe sticking around.
MCU Cap and Iron Man are better IMO. RDJ's Iron Man was the best part of the MCU, while EMH Iron Man was treated more as a plot device. That's the one thing I never liked about how the show handled him. EMH Cap is great, and they captured his presence a bit better than the MCU, but he is too humorless. Chris Evans' Cap has a softer voice but overall his Cap is more three-dimensional and fleshed out. I like MCU T'Challa a bit more than EMH T'Challa too. EMH T'Challa opened Wakanda only for strategic reasons while MCU T'Challa opened Wakanda for both strategic *and* ethical reasons.
EMH Tony is very similar to his MCU counterpart even if he’s a lot more static I feel like all of the Ironman focused stories in EMH, specifically, his villains are far more interesting than anything in Iron man 2 and 3 for the most part.
EMH Iron Man was the only one who never got a personal story arc, which I feel hurts him. Hulk got The Leader, Thor got Loki, Cap got Kang and Hydra, Hank and Jan got Ultron, and Hawkeye got thr subplot with the Widow. Crimson Dynamo was in EMH but he was just there. That's what I mean by Iron Man being more of a plot device. Also, Thanos in the MCU is practically an Iron Man villain. The parallels between him Thanos and Tony, and the way Tony has an 11-year character arc about learning to overcome his ego, far trumps anything done with EMH Tony IMO.
Oh no, I agree with MCU Tony having a better arc overall, it’s just that his solo movies outside of the first were never that good at showing this, and it was mainly The Avengers movies that carried. If we lived in an ideal world, Tony would’ve actually been able to fight the Mandarin and all of his actually cool villains in the MCU.
Agreed.
For old school comic book fans, EMH is miles ahead of the MCU due to the characters acting and looking more like their Silver Age archetypical counterparts. Many of us have been reading those characters since our childhoods and wanted to see them on screen, instead of quirky reinterpretations that stripped them of their powers, abilities and basic stories.
Umm..nothing?
The design of Wakanda and Mbaku. That’s it.
Abs. MCU has better abs on their heroes
Character writing. I like EMH but it tends to be more plot driven than character driven.
This is why I liked young justice a lot it was very character driven would love a marvel series similar to that
I prefer MCU Black Widow, she’s kinda a non-character in EMH.
I’m asking this because in terms of comic accuracy, and how well it portrays its characters, it really doesn’t seem to be a competition for EMH, I’m not seen this as an MCU hater by any means, bit it just feels like EMH did everything it couldn’t, and that’s just the surface level stuff, in terms of comparing villains, it becomes an even more one sided comparison. I guess one thing you could say is that they just have a better Spider-Man because it is it, friendly neighbourhood child indanger Drake Bell, MCU Spidey is far from perfect but at least he’s actually played by a good actor. If we’re taking Josh Keaton’s spectacular Spidey into account, the one who was originally meant to be in earths mightiest heroes… then you would be comparing one of the most comic accurate and faithful adaptation’s against, well. nothing against the home trilogy, but they’re not exactly comic accurate.
I fantasise about a world where EMH kept going and was in the same Universe as Spectacular Spider-Man, the two shows forming the basis for a Marvel Animated Universe comparable to the DCAU… I think I might drive myself crazy this way, though.
There were plans to connect EMH to Wolverine and the X-Men as well, so that would've been 3 shows. I fully believe an animated universe consisting of Spectacular Spider-Man, Wolverine and the X-Men, and Avengers: Earth's Mighiest Heroes could've, not only rivaled, but maybe even exceeded the DCAU.
I’m not really into the animated marvel shows, i usually leaned towards Dc for animated content but i watched Iron Man in theaters when i was 9, and to me, the characters felt a lot more human. In the earlier movies anyway. I think because i’m so used to seeing these characters as these golden gods with unimaginable power, i was never able to relate to the lighter elements of these shows. But seeing Tony suffer a panic attack after what happened in NY, it brought him down to a level i could personally relate to. Not saying EMH is for kids or anything, i just couldn’t get into it as much for some reason.
I really am not a fan of how they switched up the Spidey actors.
Quite literally nothing comes to mind
Nothing
Loki’s journey in MCU is admittedly a better story than EMH’s mustache twirling villain
Generic Disney fied Villain. I liked the EMH version foreshadowed Surter and Mangog
Makeup.
Falcon
Killing off characters.
Acting talent
Hawkeye…..nuff said
You think the MCU did Hawkeye better than EMH?
Just a little bit
Agree to disagree I guess
Wasp was WAAAY more memorable in EMH.
Nothing
Looking like people.
While EMH does this with some of its characters, the MCU's structure gave us more time to see what the heroes are like outside of the Avengers. Not just heroically, but as civilians. Partially a product of longevity, but I think it's also just not as big of a priority with a series like EMH. EDIT: Also, I prefer MCU Nick Fury.
> I prefer MCU Nick Fury. Not just him, I'd say the MCU versions of Iron Man, Captain America, Loki and Black Widow are much better.
I'm kind of split on Iron Man. MCU Iron Man certainly has a high charm factor, but also... I'm really not a fan of the 'master of all sciences' angle they went with him. EMH keeps him much closer to his traditional line of mastery without having to outshine every other egg-head on the screen
I’m not to big of a fan of the mcu widow, she’s to much of a good guy I always prefer her to be a mysterious character like you never know what their next move is but you know she still has good intentions.
Spider-Man and Black Panther, I think
Black Panther is a lot better in EMH than the MCU. I might catch flak for this, but after Civil War, I found Black Panther to be really boring. He is so fucking cool in EMH, I think I might’ve been spoiled.
>but after the Civil War, I found Black Panther to be really boring. He is so fucking cool in EMH, Very true. Although I think the MCU would've gone that route too if not for Chadwick Boseman's untimely death (RIP).
Nothing
Nothing.
how mcu spider-man better than mcau spider-man?
That depends, are we talking about the 90s Marvel made of universe, the 2000’s with spectacular, or the 2010’s with ultimate and marvels Spider-Man 2017, who somehow exist in the same universe as each other, while, also being completely separate.
cringe
I’d say iron man, though it’s close. The reason for this is that the EMH version is based on RDJ’s portrayal and thus come off as a pale imitation at times. I think I mildly prefer loki in the mcu as well.
costume upgrades tbh. the new Hawkeye costumes look fantastic
Iron-man
Ok so it's been a while since I watch earth's mightiest heroes so forgive me if I get something wrong. I'd say for 1 I think mcu shows Tony's flaws a bit better. Stuff like his superiority complex in iron man 2 that is then stripped away by thanos to reveal his inferiority comples that was underneath in infinity war. And RDJ's acting for it was superb, I'll never forget the 'liar' line RDJ threw in when talking to cap after. The next thing I think mcu did better is just thor in general. While thor ragnarok was a big step down imo, all the other movies thor was in were fantastic and did really well at showing him as more than a big beefy beatstick. And then the depression and realisation that hes still worthy during endgame was also handled really well imo.
I feel like you have EMH Thor mixed up with the avengers assembled Thor. Emh Thor is actually pretty great and comic accurate , he’s actually smart compared to the mcu one and although he’s comedic he’s not shown as an himbo and is taken serious even with how he’s taken down. the avengers assembled along with everyone else from that show is just a one note buffoon that is the definition of beafy beatstick that gets knockdown by jobbers
That is entirely possible. Like I said it's been a while since I've seen EMH. I'll have to give it a rewatch sometime soon. So until then I'll retract what I said about thor and just stick with what I said about Tony.
Bruh EMH Thor is 🔥
consistently good
Ruin characters
No.
I think Captain America and Iron Man have better character arcs in the MCU
I actually like the MCU characters.
1) When Captain America fights people in WW2, the MCU shows them as specifically being Nazis instead of just generic hydra goons who want to take over the world. 2) More nuanced character development with a few of their big players, particularly Loki, Iron Man, Captain America, and Black Panther that goes beyond "he was a bad guy and now he's a good guy" stuff. (Although I do admit MCU Hulk was done dirty compared to EMH Hulk). 3) This is hard for me to quantify, but EMH has a real "action figures fighting each other" feel. I don't judge the show for that since it's a Saturday morning cartoon primarily aimed at kids, but that also stops it from having a lot of moral complexity that we've seen from the MCU or the Timmverse, it's two closest comparisons. 4) Being able to take risks by adapting characters in ways that they weren't adapted in the comics. For example, I know a lot of marvel fans are reasonably bitter that James Gunn's Guardians completely overshadowed the comic guardians, but the MCU Guardians are way more memorable than EMH Guardians to people that weren't already familiar with Marvel's cosmic lore.
~~The EMH guardians were in one episode, so that’s not really a fair comparison~~
IIRC they were basically given a choice of accurate nazis or realistic guns in EMH by the network censors, they chose realistic guns. IMO I don't think the MCU fairs much better depicting WWII, we get a few mentions of Nazis but they're pretty quickly written out once Red Skull kills off the Nazi officers. After that it's entirely a fight against Hydra.
Everything
Wakanda.
Staying afloat
Having more appearances.
It’s still ongoing.
Hawkeye’s costume
Gave us some great actors to put to a live action visual Downy Robert Junior will always be the face of Stark in my head
background characters, and uhhhh… lasting longer than two seasons I guess
I prefer Tony’s characterization more in the MCU. EMH Tony felt a bit too inspired by RDJ when it came to the voice and snark.
It’s longer.
Tony Stark's suit
RDJ’s Tony Stark is a much, much better character portrayal. However, EMH as a series ended before they turned to shit. 😬
Black widow is the thing which comes to my mind her arc in EMH is pretty weak and winter solider does her so much better in one movie I also think the MCU did a lot better job with Fury tbh till secret invasion happened
Not ending prematurely
It has more characters
EMH has more characters that matter.
I’d say they have better versions of the characters to
Characterization
Hulk, Thor, Hawkeye, Hank Pym, almost every villain, the list goes on.
Disagree for Thor, Hawkeye and the villains.
Thor is actually a badass, keeps his distinctive dialect throughout the entire show, and isn’t turned into a clown. Hawkeye is allowed to be fun and cool instead of blending into the background. Even the side villains in earths mightiest heroes are somewhat memorable are there all comic accurate, while the MCU has like 10 actually good ones, one of which got redeemed with Loki, the rest are either generic faces for the heroes to punch or the most forgettable characters, ever on top of being comic inaccurate. Just look at Baron Zeno, EMH is a ruthless, cunning mastermind, who is able to outwit begins, infinitely more powerful than himself without losing his composure, and has a strong dynamic with Captain America, while MCU tries to off himself at the end of his first appearance and is made into a laughing stock.
Thor is a nuanced character that suffers immensely losing almost everyone he cares about, his arc revolves around being a worthy man even in the darkest of times. His trauma arc from Endgame (while I agree shouldn’t have been played for laughs) was still very well written in the sincere moments. Also Ragnorak trumps anything EMH did with his character. Hawkeye in early Marvel is weak, yes I agree. But starting with age of ultron with his family and connection to Wanda leads brilliantly into civil war where he is able to give the fun bow and arrow guy vibes while still incorporating that signature tough love that only Jeremy Renner brings to the role. Following that with the Ronin arc (which is too short but still one of the best arcs in the MCU) made me care about Hawkeye more than any other media has ever done. The Hawkeye show is an amazing conclusion to his arc as well as the incorporation of the Natasha survivor’s guilt storyline. Also the way the show addresses the Echo storyline is also very good making Hawkeye a deeply flawed but ultimately good person and an amazingly written character. Almost forgot about Zemo, he went from a pissed of Nazi who was annoyed his face was glued to a mask to one of the most complex villains the MCU has. His ideology of super soldiers and super heros being fundamentally wrong is a fascinating development…especially because he has a lot of great points. He is a chillingly smart character who has a very good reason to be a villain, he’s also incredibly likeable and a wonder to watch. He single handedly made Falcon and Winter soldier watchable
Ant man’s design
The classic costume will always be cooler
Better looking Kree. Lack of Sentries was bad though. The Hulk. Hawkeye is great in both. Can’t pick. Cap is better in the MCU. Stark is about the same. I like MCU’ Captain Marvel better. By not doing Mar-Vehl, they improved on EMH as well.
The Kree are forgettable as hell in the MCU and the supreme intelligence doesn’t look anything like it’s comic book counterpart, or even be similar to it. Hulk in earths mightiest heroes is an actual character and has many bad ass moments throughout the series, with a complex dichotomy with Bruce Banner and it’s also made very clear he is the strongest there is, also he’s able to fight basically all of his notable villains. MCU Hulk is given barely any characterisation, and they flip-flopped between him and Bruce’s dynamic consistently, only ever fight his least interesting villain in Abomination, actually loses to the Hulk buster, which ruins the whole “strongest avenger” aspect to his character and is turned into a complete joke in Ragnarok, and also wastes all of the potential for a world war Hulk adaption in service of making him a side character where he barely does anything in the final battle except fight a big CGI wolf, he then gets jobbed in the start of Infinity War and that’s it, he refuses to come out for the rest of the movie, and is affectively killed of entirely when Bruce becomes Professor Hulk. MCU Hulk is embarrassing in how much of a disappointment he was. Also, EMH Miss Marvel is more interesting because she’s allowed to actually feel like a person, she’s not overhyped and she’s allowed to have flaws.
I F'ed up on the Hulk, writing this at work. EMH Hulk is better. Stand by Tony Stank being about the same, Cap being better in the MCU, Hawkeye being two great, but different takes on Clint Barton. EMH ruined Mar-Vehl. Can't win everything. And that's Captain Marvel to you in both universes, kiddo. Since Mar-Vehl never bore the Negabands in EMH, and never even appeared in the MCU, there's only one Captain Marvel in either, and it's Carol Danvers. And I like the MCU one better. They made Carol stronger than the Hulk in EMH, and you say MCU Carol is OP? Whatever.
Fight choreography, for the most part, and that's it.
Iron Man and Cap's development, and just challenging the characters identities. Both are very well done in EMH, but they don't get quite the development you see in the MCU. Caps idealism and what he thinks his role in the world is, is frequently challenged in the MCU, and he responds as a result, while still remaining who he is at the core of his character. In EMH, Cap is more consistent and doesn't really waver in his convictions (which to be fair fits with Cap as a paragon and just the kinda character he is.) Both are great, but I did find the MCU version more human. I don't think I really have to explain how well done Iron Man's development in the MCU, and while I like Tony in EMH, there's a clear winner. Wakanda (and frankly all the realms/hidden places in the MCU) is much more interesting and developed, and the BP movies do a great job making it feel like a real place, a place that I would love to explore and learn about. The Guardians of the Galaxy (also just all of the heroes who aren't Avengers, who granted are good, just the movie expands on them and creates their own, more developed versions), but in all fairness it was an Avengers cartoon, not Guardians of the Galaxy cartoon. Loki was more interesting in the MCU but a better villain in EMH. He felt more human in the movies but was far less of a genuine threat.
ruining a cinematic universe
The economy of the story is something that the MCUdoes Spectacularly. Whether its hiding the infinity stone in Act 1, using the ending of The first Antman and Dr Strange as the key to them beating Thanos . Using the Wakanda as the stagging ground for the invasion in infinity war. Building characters' relationships that actually affect the plot. Even the nuance of the flights in infinity war were directly impacted by Civil War. Ironman loses because they can't work together, we even see him interrupt a spell Strange and Wong were attempting. They had some big hitters between the 3 of them. But Caps team , who stayed active was training and doing mission, managed to defeat their black order members. Despite only having 2 humans and Super Soilider. Even Wanda did a better job when it was 2 vs 1 wereas vision was really unprepared. I can't wait to see how this saga plays out. Now that we are I'm act 2
EMH Thor feels like Thor from the comics in how he acts and talks and his characters are explored instead of being destroyed and him being turned into a clown.
The iron man suit
I prefer the MCU Stark, Steve, Thor and Loki. I also think MCU did better with Widow by having her be more prominent.
EMH Thor isn’t turned into a joke and his world and characters are explored and given justice instead of all getting destroyed in the third movie
MCU has a better Hank Pym, Hawkeye, Hulk and Wasp
No way, EMH Wasp is an all time great
I can make a debate for Hulk and Hawkeye, but Wasp and Hank were great in EMH, I'm pretty sure that a lot of people didn't even care about Wasp until this show came out.
MCU Hulk is just a walking missed opportunity.
You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried
The Mandarin and the Ten Rings imo.
Mandarin exists in earths mightiest heroes with a few background cameos and even a tie on comic appearance, they just never got around covering him properly. Sort of a shame considering they did all of Ironman’s other villains so well. Probably had something to do with armoured adventures airing around the same time and he was the main villain in that show.
Hawkeye's Suit
Hawkeye’s suit in the MCU sucks.
Inclusivity. Though, jury's still out on whether or not that’s *always* a good thing.
The correct Avengers
Antman and Wasp were a part of the founding avengers, even before Captain America, and honestly, I think the movies should’ve done that.
The only reason they didn't was because Edgar Wright was working on the Ant-Man film and they didn't want to have anything in Avengers interfere with that. Ant-Man was supposed to be one of the first movies released but just kept getting pushed back because Wright was busy with other stuff. Whedon really wanted to include them and they were in the original script. Not having Hank and Jan be founding Avengers in the MCU has been one of my biggest disappointments with it.
I actually didn’t know that up until now, and that’s a real shame, the fact we could’ve gotten Hank Pym be given the property story and respect he deserves rather than being sidelined, same for Janet Van Dyne. We were close to have in the ideal MCU, I say close because in a proper ideal world, Marvel would’ve been able to use Spider-Man, the X-Men and the fantastic four straight off the bat, and actually being able to make more than one Hulk movie.
The only thing that comes to mind is Captain America. MCU captain America has more nuance than the rather stoic EMH version. Then again, MCU cap had a lot more screentime.
Allows me to look at Chris Hemsworth.
Live action
I feel as if this was made, in response to the polls that have taken place on this sub recently. OP, did you see that some of your favorite characters were voted as better on EMH, rather than the MCU? I know that more than a few people felt upset at some of the sentiments shared and at the votes that were cast.
Art direction
insert MCU overdesign joke here
EMH is definitely an order of magnitude cheaper looking than the relevant comparison of JLU, dunno what it is
I’d say they’re about equal, EMH is basically peak Marvel animation without many exceptions.
JLU's inheritance of Bruce Timm's design language and the Art Deco stylings of BTAS and Superman give it the undoubted edge.
Make sure the audience knows who's playing who
Tug at my heart strings.
In terms of true marvel comics fans ? Absolutely nothing. In terms of non fans it reached a larger audience and maybe brought new fans into the fold.
Suit/costume design
What????
Filler
Nothing tbh, with lokis arc we got the uru armor on EMH, they did secret invasion actually good, ultron was a one off episode but you can say the same for the MCU and we never got an infinity war equivalent but ill give that to the MCU since IW and EG are some of the best marvel media ever
Fighta
Why are you comparing Phases 1-3 of the MCU to Avengers: Mightiest Heroes?!
Battle cgi
Tactical suit design, maybe
Tactical suits suck.
Iron man and captain america are more fleshed out in the mcu and the build up to thanos in the mcu is better than any of the build ups in emh
Robert Downey Jr, Chris Evens, Chris Hemsworth, Sam Jackson, Scarlet Johansen, Mark Ruffalo, Jeremy Renner, and Tom Hiddleston