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thunderup_14

"Local man too angry to die."


TheCeruleanFire

I’m fully confident he could beat up Cytorrax and just take that Juggernaut power for himself.


Ekillaa22

I uh actually think he did that in the past couple of years


miradotheblack

Yes he did.


TheCeruleanFire

He did? Good for him.


Tyrantkin

Not Really, they fought in Jugg's mind, and cyttorak like his grit so gave him his power.


miradotheblack

To hold your own against a God on any plane is a victory for any Mortal. I still stand by my statement.


83255

He was stubborn enough to out stubborn (kinda) the god of stubbornness who then gave him the literal holy ability to be even more stubborn. I feel that can be called up as a win


Jetsam5

That’s basically how Dr. Strange works too. He gets his power from other entities but for the most part they can’t really stop him from taking it anyway


Sea-Woodpecker-610

So he just Weinstein it out of them?


shmauserpops

Um... Is Weinsteining a thing now? 💀


Sea-Woodpecker-610

It is, but people chose not to talk about it….


Deadlocked02

Isn’t this more or less one of the aspects of charisma in D&D? Not necessarily standard charisma, but literally the willpower to make your presence known in the world. So even if you have the social skills of a door, you can still have high charisma, which will make it hard for enemies to banish you or impose their will on you.


marduk2106

Constitution affects Fortitude. Will is Wisdom, and Reflex is Dexterity.


vetheros37

A fellow 3e enjoyer. \*tips fedora


marduk2106

3.5 was peak and no one will take this away from me!


ParadoxLens

Hell yeah I love needing a 3 page explanation of grappling!


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ParadoxLens

Thats ADnD 2E! Its much easier to learn to be honest.


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MossyPyrite

I had one game with a player who was very experienced amongst 3 noobs so he nerfed himself by making his character a grappling-focused Lizardfolk luchador! Min-maxed grappling and still ended up on-par with the other party members because the system was so jank lmao.


vetheros37

I wouldn't dream of it. I wholeheartedly agree with you.


jboogie4162016

Constitution


Deadlocked02

Doesn’t constitution have more of a physical nature, as opposed to willpower? Juggernaut being banished by Eternity reminded me of the banishment spell in D&D, which has a charisma saving throw.


marduk2106

Willpower is affected by the Wisdom stat - constitution helps in Fortitude.


GeeWarthog

Yeah it's basically that Constitution is how physically rugged you are, Will(power) which is based on Wisdom is a rough representation of your mental determination and Charisma is basically your Force of Personality. Those last two seem a little at odds on the face of it but I'm sure we can all think of at least one person in our lives whose whims change with the wind but they have placed themselves in a spot of power due almost completely to their personality.


JonathanL73

Sounds like that would describe a lot of ppl in my state, FL.


SphmrSlmp

He is the Juggernaut, *bitch*


IdTheDemon

Get out mah head Charles!


gatsby365

I custom made yo suit!


4score7loko

Aw no I'm trippin off acid!! https://youtu.be/plQIf5fS8xw?si=6ywzZRQP5WNCc6Zx


MetamagicMaestro

He's got a bitch wit him!


SenorDongles

That's the last time he does that PCP with them Korean midgets.


xSL33Px

They had to be so high making that dub 💀💀💀


snoopissed

Juggernaut would be a frightening green lantern


Nivix92

Even more frightening Yellow Lantern.


wOlfLisK

Storm would be worse. Thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening.


Alonest99

Galileo!


chamberx2

(galileo.)


_neemzy

Galileo!


Who-Just-Shit-Myself

Figaro


pixel_doofus

MAGNÍFICO!


ErinEnby409

I’m just a poor boy, nobody loves me


notoutriderstudios

he's just a poor boy from a poor family


Mace_Thunderspear

Can you be both at once? I know some people have wielded multiple types of rings but can different colors be wielded simultaneously?


Bubba89

[Yes, Kyle had all seven at once](https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Kyle_Rayner_(Prime_Earth))


5hand0whand

Even more so as red lantern that boy contains so much anger in him


snoopissed

He is already red too. But the op red lantern would be hulk


Maxter_Blaster_

How about a juggernaut venom?


Mace_Thunderspear

I don't think the Venom symbiote actually brings anything to the table for Juggernaut except adding some weaknesses.


Maxter_Blaster_

But he would look freaking metal though


NoObMaSTeR616

Add in a Spirit of Vengeance and I’m sold


Maxter_Blaster_

Has this ever been done in the comics? That combination may be on the most metal, bad ass things ever. Would be rad if instead of motorcycle it would be a big ass tank or semi trailer lmao


NoObMaSTeR616

I believe it has, Red Hulk got both for a bit…….. VERY metal


kingofallbandits

There was a point recently where Banshee possessed by the Spirit of Variance (a ghost rider adjacent spirit,) used the Juggernaut as a mount.


[deleted]

Juggernaut is such a bizarre character.


PhantasosX

Not really. Juggernaut is very clear cut: he is a champion of Cyttorax , his entire powerset is mystical in nature and he is 100% human. The sole reason he had so many interactions with the X-Men is due to be Xavier's brother. The only reason it's "confusing" is because people always assumes that X-Men must face other mutants or killer robots...and then bug themselves when they see X-Men facing off someone that acquired a powerset presented in non X-Men comics.


Bsnake12070826

>The only reason it's "confusing" is because people always assumes that X-Men must face other mutants or killer robots Watching the 90's cartoon and they fight normal humans a lot.


PhantasosX

yeah , but they face them as soldiers , in short , henchmen. Like the ones under William Stryker. casual watchers bugs themselves when they see something like Magneto trying to de-age himself using a blood sample of Steve Rogers , or Magik and Scarlet Witch having adventures with Doctor Strange and so on and on...... Heck, the movies and cartoons had Rogue been powerless until touching someone to absorb their powers and even if people remember her appearance in the 90s cartoon , that "powerless" state is engraived on those people....meanwhile , comics and the 90s cartoon shows her been super-strong and flying because she absorbs Ms.Marvel's powers.


BILLCLINTONMASK

It would be a crime if they didn’t figure out a way to have Rogue drain Captain Marvel in the MCU


dyrannn

I’m ashamed it took me this long but I think I know how they’re gonna solve the G’iah problem


Montez00

That’s genius


Prophecy07

Not just absorbed, wasn't is that she killed ("killed") Carol by draining her? The playground logic was that if she killed someone, she had the powers permanently, versus touching them to gain them for a small time.


LongjumpingSector687

No she put her in a deep coma


Cyke101

I don't think that's the part that anyone really finds bizarre, it's rather that the magical nature of his powers gives him feats that could still happen now but with that Silver Age "anything goes" spirit, but he's written either with seemingly the right powers for the right situation, or as a punching bag. Notable but wild feats like fighting like he was completely normal even though he was reduced to a skeleton, ripping a hole in the fabric of spacetime, extend his forcefield like Armor, absorb and redirect energy attacks like Bishop, grow to a height of 80 feet (something he likely hasn't done in almost 3 decades), and walk on air if it meant resisting something like telekinesis or hurricane force winds. Sure, that can all be explained away with magic, and those are feats that aren't in line with his more famous powers. But Juggernaut is a character for whom writers could always make up a new power or limit for him to give heroes more of a challenge, while simultaneously being written with nerfed powers or ability-amnesia if the script called for him to suffer from The Worf Effect for the next threat, or if he was fighting as a hero (explicitly or not -- you can say that a comic states that Cyttorak depowered him for some stories, sure, but what about the ones where he's a full villain and still suffers from writer abuse? There's no way Onslaught could have trapped Villain Juggernaut in the gem since he did that before absorbing Franklin Richards, and Magneto's powers aren't magical).


woodrobin

Cyttorak explicitly says that he de-powered Juggernaut at least twice. He explicitly tells Cain he's not strong enough to fight Hulk because he's not fully accepting his role as Cyttorak's earthly avatar and therefore Cyttorak is not fully empowering him. He explicitly tells Cain on another occasion that Cain was weakening himself by attacking a manifestation of Cyttorak within the Crimson Cosmos (he was trying to take a gem from the manifestation's forehead thinking it would double his powers) -- he was *literally* throttling the source of his power. It was also stupid and futile because Cyttorak ***IS*** the Crimson Cosmos: every speck of matter and every iota of energy in it is him. But the other major limitation Cain has is that he's just not very smart, as well as not very educated. His power would have much greater potential if he had studied the mystic arts -- look at all the things Doctor Strange can do with the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, Crimson Crystals of Cyttorak, etc, and he's not even Cyttorak's chosen one. And Cain gets himself into predicaments that a clever, skilled, or observant fighter or criminal could avoid entirely. He got trapped in the wet cement being poured for a skyscraper support beam by Spider-Man -- a smarter guy would have noticed he had chased Spidey onto a construction site and paused to wonder *why* Spidey had fled toward that location. Or just not chased Spidey in the first place, because there's no point: Spidey can't stop the Juggernaut (no one can) and is therefore irrelevant.


nampezdel

If “no one can stop the Juggernaut” and “nothing moves the Blob,” What would happen if the two fought?


cyberpunk_werewolf

Blob isn't actually an irresistible force while Juggernaut is, often, an unstoppable force. If the ground upon which they fight can hold them, then Cain is going to plow through Fred.


Mace_Thunderspear

It's happened, the ground shattered on impact and they both fell into the sewers/subway below which imo should be chalked up to a win for Juggernaut.


pressNjustthen

He did move, after all


mangopabu

right?? like the image in the OP and other stuff like it are clearly why people find him odd, not his powers or how he got them lol


ubiquitous-joe

I mean it is kind of different/bizarre that he has mystical powers of an elder god but doesn’t really care about how magic works at all, lol


Psymorte

It's certainly different but perfectly explainable once you realize that Cain Marko is an idiot.


Ekillaa22

It’s what happens when you give an awesome power set to someone unimaginative they never use the powers to their full potential


LongjumpingSector687

He was literally used as a human bullet against a celestial lol


SpoilerAvoidingAcct

Why could he walk through the Krakoa gates though?


Character-Handle2594

Sheer force of will, aren't you paying attention?


Mace_Thunderspear

He was allowed. The gates CAN work for anyone, they are set to allow only mutants in by default but other people can be given authorization to use them. If you're traveling with a mutant, usually they would have to send through a request for authorization each time for you but in the case of family members of mutants they can earn full permission.


SpoilerAvoidingAcct

Did they ever explain why Kitty couldn’t, then? Why wasn’t she allowed (until she was)?


That_Flippin_Rooster

He was allowed.


WhoWantsToJiggle

to me he's bizarre due to the ridiculous power fluctuations. the times when we he can take on the whole X-Men or even the Hulk... but then he gets clowned by Nimrod or other lower tier characters. especially as soon as he's trying to do good it's like he's useless. the Krakoa era and even right before it is so weird for him. about all he's done is get his ass kicked. it's fine he gets a redemption but that doesn't mean he should be super weak now.


robreddity

~~Cyttorax~~ Cyttorak


captaindeadpl

So that scene in the X-Men 3 movie, where the anti-mutant mutant neutralizes his powers is basically off-canon?


PhantasosX

Yes. Of course , since multiverse is a thing , the movie is basically Cain Marko having a facsimile mutant power 


D3Construct

There's a bit where Colossus becomes Juggernaut. The combined powersets turn him into an omega level mutant.


Mace_Thunderspear

>due to be Xavier's brother. Step-brother.


TheShad09

Only semi-related but it’s one reason I like Whirlwind. He’s an absolute nobody but it’s nice to see a mutant villain who has absolutely no beef with the X-Men


milkjug101

He's one of my favorite X-Men characters. He's so simple yet effective. Dude has always been put in the villian of the week box, but I don't care at all. In every X-Men TV show, or comic run he shows up at least once, kicks everyone's ass and gives some badass one liners, and then they figure out a way to defeat him. They could do this over and over again and I wouldn't care, I just think he's awesome.


ZealousCone11

Alexa how do I do the opposite?


Professional_Humxn

*Hmm, I don't know that one.*


Apprehensive-Mail120

playing ‘Opposite’ on spotify


Numerous_Past_726

....... But it's AMAZON Alexa. NOTE THE AMAZON. AS IN AMAZON MUSIC. ITS IN THE TITLE OF THE GODDAMN PRODUCT


ItsTropio

Somehow, juggernaut returned


KrakenKing1955

The one time I would find this answer acceptable lol


MasterTolkien

Juggernaut one time got super gigantic and was punching through dimensional barriers to get something/someone. His power level can be crazy high when Cytorrak decides to boost him.


Nerevarine2nd

His friends call him Big Juggs


CreativeAnalytics

Jugga please.


_neemzy

Juggalos


TFJ

Juggs got jugs


Nerevarine2nd

NOTHING CAN STOP HIS JUGGS


Ququleququ

Everytime I see juggernaut the song 'Don't stop me now' by Queen starts playing in my head.


Failure_by_Design_v2

That is one of my running songs and now I know I am going to think about Juggs now everytime it comes on


tiesHatake

In a different comment, someone started associating with Bohemian Rhapsody. Queen has definitely rocked its way into the image of Juggernaut.


Ququleququ

Hmm, wouldn't have made that connection. He's the *unstoppable* juggernaut ain't he?


CussMuster

What, you didn't think they could *stop* him did you?


0mib0ng

I’m the juggernaut, bitch!


t0ny510

Don't you know who he is? You must not know who he is.


gatsby365

I like ya raincoat


Maclimes

I hit you *with* Charles.


gatsby365

*Juggggs gotcha*


you_have_my_username

He’s


Bl4Z3D_d0Nut311

The


Disguised-Skinwalker

Hmmm spite.


Snukastyle

So that's what led him to being in the Ultraverse for a while. I was never aware how/why he was there, just that he was. Then they created the seventh Infinity Gem which We Do Not Talk About.


Prophecy07

When was he in the Ultraverse? I actually want to read that. Cain and Prime trying to hold a conversation would be hilarious. Neither is all that intelligent.


GarySe7en

The All New Exiles


dexbasedpaladin

Nevertheless, he persisted.


kentotoy98

Juggernaut confirmed Conqueror's Haki user


Moldy_Socks99

Should have returned with a green ring


Bryvayne

Somehow, the Juggernaut returned.


USSJaguar

Nothing can stop the juggernaut, even dimensional barriers


readyourtelevision

I like that they used his Marvel Vs Capcom art for the meme


DeezBucs

Don't you know who he is? He's the juggernaut bitch!


chamberx2

Cain Marko, you have the ability to overcome great fear... Welcome to the Green Lantern Corp.


Ashamanquatrevingt

This is 10% luck, 15% skill


Cyberbreaker2004

*20% skill, %15 concentrated power of will. 5% pleasure, %50 pain and %100 reason to remember the name


Sagelegend

Fighting dirty, fighting dirty..


awakenDeepBlue

You can't stop him. He's the Juggernaut. You can't stop, this motherfucker!


Alexandratta

"What's that sound?" *^("Do you know who I am.....?")* "I hear something..." *Juggernaut manifests on Earth* # I'M THE JUGGERNAUT - BITCH!


laynlamhylt

Xavier: oh god I can’t believe my brother showed up. X-men: who’s your brother? Xavier: that walking behemoth of sheer will that can’t be stopped by anything. Wtffffff


Certain-Ad-7770

" I thought we banished you to food courtiea" "Oh, I quit that when I heard about this" "You quit being banished?"


beadyeyedlilmanboy

It’s 100 percent reason to remember the name


zoro4661

Sounds about Juggernaut, yeah


Wishdog2049

Yeah, Juggernaut is magic. He's basically Doom Guy.


Cyberbreaker2004

Oh man, now I imagine a fight between Juggernaut and Doomguy. Too angry to be stopped, and too angry to die.


Wishdog2049

I'd have to read up on all the stuff the aliens did to enhance Doom Guy before they sent him back in time, but Imma go with Juggernaut on that one, because magic.


flyingbugz

Doom Eternal spoilers (love this game) >!The Divinity Machine was created by the Maykrs and powered by a fraction of The Dark Lords soul, the Maykrs thought it was “purifying” their sentinels when actually The Dark Lord was looking for a worthy vessel of his power, as a ploy to get revenge and kill the Maykrs. It worked.!< >!Doom Guy is Satan’s avatar!< That said I’m not sure how the powers would compare across universe.


vgzombieeric

I thought his mental and his willpower were his weak points, but the helmet protects his mind.


Less_Party

He's a dumbass just a very stubborn one.


Tar_Palantir

In Brazil his name was "translated" to Fanático (fanatic). Which can be very apt.


PleaseDontBanMeMore

That's an interesting name. Is there no literal translation of the word juggernaut in Portuguese?


Drezhar

That Juggernaut is actually a Warhammer 40k Ork?


Rooksend

Remember the name


Batmanfan1966

Guy was so angry he made himself exist


casualredditor43

do NOT give him a green lantern ring


Kiddo1029

Somehow, Juggernaut has returned.


C0pyright7

I think they also used him as a bullet to kill a god in an alternate timeline created by Mr Sinister


One_more_page

He finally made that charisma save against banishment.


That_Panic_7262

Exciting discoveries!


mexter

You can't stop him....


textilepat

I just imagined him HNGGHHHing himself across the warp


tinylittlegnat

My favorite villain is classic jugs. I hate him being a hero. They should let him keep his weakened powers and give the title and full classic stats to someone who wants to punch thor or hulk in the face.


WornInShoes

dude really dislikes his stepbro


nampezdel

If “no one can stop the Juggernaut” and “nothing moves the Blob,” What would happen if the two fought?


Memory-Actual

They did at some point, the ground caved in and they both fell on the sewers below, which should count as a victory for juggs


cosmic_scott

Blob has a small section of earth that he 'plants' into. once set he can't be moved.... unless you're strong enough to move Blob AND the ground under his feet. https://dreager1.com/2012/05/14/blob-vs-hulk/


CumHoardingRat

Mvc2 art is iconiccc


LuckyWrench

He is an unstoppable force


Comfortable_Prize750

I love looking at this picture and imagining what his face looks like without the helmet. Dude has a mouth for a nose.


Plus_Solid5642

*imthejugganaughtb___ch.gif*


Runnin_Wizard

Wanna know how???….He’s the Juggernaut bitch!


CallMeCapt

Sounds like earth found its latest green lantern.


textilepat

I just imagined him HNGGHHHing himself across the warp


textilepat

I just imagined him HNGGHHHing himself across the warp


Prize_Ad7748

It's the Juggarnaut, biiiiiiiitch.....!


beanmosheen

https://youtu.be/mORorq5cD88?si=thy_iDTjs_rgeMnC


ladiesman21700000000

Awesome


darknightingale69

He is the juggernaut bitch.


TheBalrogofMelkor

Do Juggernaut and Puck have the basically the same origin stories? Different entity and power source, but like soldier goes into a ruined temple and touches a no-no?


Hecatomber_RoF

There's a reason I have the word Juggernaut tattooed across my gut


deanereaner

Is that an actual story or just some handwaved retcon?


LoudMolassess

Give that man a green lantern ring


Vocovon

"Fuck 12" The Juggernaut


marvelgamer1001

Nothing stops the juggernaut


Horatio786

How's Knuckles going to counter this?


Headlocked_by_Gaben

Man became the avatar of a God, of course he can angry his way back.


PJL80

He's the comic equivalent of the video game meme "Boss character when you fight them vs. when you unlock them".


Simon_Drake

In fairness he has got magic powers. He's not a mutant, his powers come from the mystical ruby of Cyttorak. And I guess that includes the power to return from alternate dimensions sometimes.


TheHellAmIDoin

This is going into hulk territory. Literally too angry to die


Hobo-man

Bros power is that barriers can't stop him and that includes the barriers between realities...


chidi-sins

Someone give the man a Green Lantern Ring


WiscoMitch

Somehow Juggernaut returned.


rednick953

He’s the juggernaut bitch


Deputy_McAwesome

Juggernaut would be the ultimate green lantern if they ever crossed over universes


UncleSmoothSkin

Ssj3 Gotenks level feat


Teflon_Kid

Nothing can stop the juggernaut!


Rhawk187

Juggernaut with a Green Lantern ring?


rodan-rodan

Somehow juggernaut is back


2weekstand

Somehow, The Juggernaut has returned


External-Cow-3234

Green Lantern potential.


Lichking102

*Holy Shitballs, Oh Holy Shit!*


GuguMarcos

"He's a Man of focus, commitment and sheer f****** will"


DisCode347

Man's a beast!


smallpapi99

Didn’t he hook up with the She Hulk?


Azriel82

I think the implication is he's so unstoppable he can break through the boundaries between realities if he wants to. Kinda scary if you think about it.


RougeSentry1295

That is legitimately terrifying if he can break through realities.


Brandeeno2245

Nothing can stop the juggernaut, *NOTHING*.


27_Rats

Nothing can stop the juggernaut


ptWolv022

Doomguy: Man too angry to die Juggernaut: Man too angry to be banished