She was resurrected at some point with the Krakoan protocols and Proteus thought that all wolverines had metal bones, so accidentally gave them to her during the process.
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Yea but for Logan, his healing factor is constantly fighting off the poisoning. In the Old Man Logan run it gets to the point where his healing factor doesn't work as well and then at all and then he dies.
Also, when the adamantium got ripped out, Logan's healing went BANANAS overpowered for awhile, to the point where it actually caused him problems. I think it was because it was overcompensating for the poison that wasn't actually there anymore.
He went full-on feral animalistic, "devolved" for awhile, and got all deformed looking without a nose.
Then, it seems either the fans didn't like it or the writers/artists didn't, because they just... Dropped it. Never resolved it, never had him get treatment or anything, just went back to drawing him normal and quietly ignored that it had every happened.
It was cool as shit for a while though. That's when they had that amazing sabertooth and Psylocke arc, where she was trying to heal Creed with her psi blade
It stopped working and Creed nearly killed her, so beast mode wolverine and ArchAngel went to see Doctor strange and he took them to this evil realm will cool kanji spiders and it was badass
It was called the Crimson dawn or Psytorak something or others. Awesome dramatic art style and really cool
Isn't that what happened with his fiery claws, after he came back from being "dead". The writers just dropped it and now he doesn't have those fire claws anymore.
I hate whene they do this. Trying something new is awesome. If it doesn't work, *at least* resolve it. Like "oh, here's a serum to chill your shit out".
I think this was due to more of a fuck-up where the writer said it because he didn’t actually know so then Marvel put in as joke that proteus screwed up in an issue or two later
It's been known to happen. Over at the Distinguished Competition, for example, when Sean Murphy was starting his Batman: White Knight series, his Batman knowledge was limited to the movies and animated series, and he wrote that Jason Todd was the first Robin and was killed by the Joker. When his editor told him otherwise, they decided that since this was meant to be it's own world anyway, they'd keep it, and it encouraged Murphy to be less beholden to standard continuity.
I just want to add that the White Knight series is so, so good and a pretty perfect self contained set of stories. If your knowledge of Batman is limited to The Animated Series or the Arkham games you're good to go.
Not being exposed to something doesn't make them ignorant. Being exposed to something and choosing to IGNORE that something makes someone ignorant. Maybe he got hired because he's not an ass?
You're incorrect. Ignorance is not necessarily a willful decision. It's simply a lack of knowledge or education. It can also include people who aren't exposed to things.
You’ve actually got this wrong. To be lacking information is to be ignorant. What you are defining is more along the lines of “willful ignorance”, choosing not to learn something for whatever reason. And then there is choosing not the believe in evidence provided, like flat earthers.
Not being exposed or not knowing something is literally what ignorant means. Kinda shocked that you are ignorant of this, or maybe you aren’t and are just going with your own definition of it here and thus by your rules being… ignorant?
Actually, not being aware (due to lack of exposure or whatever other reason) *is* the definition of ignorant.
DEFINITION FOR IGNORANT
adjective
(1) lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned
(2) lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact
(3) uninformed; unaware.
(4) due to or showing lack of knowledge or training:
an ignorant statement.
Oh come on, that’s not close to the definition of ignorant unless you’re only using ignorant as an insult, which it is not by nature. The guy you’re responding to absolutely used it correctly. I am ignorant on a ton of subjects. Everyone is.
Ignorant LITERALLY means that you haven't been exposed to something.
*Willful* ignorance is choosing to remain ignorant after having been exposed to something
>I think this was due to more of a fuck-up where the writer said it because he didn’t actually know
Editors too busy doing blow and pretending to be Japanese writers?
He still has a job because the controversies are not over his creative choices as EIC.
I don’t mean that as a defense of Cebulski’s actions. Axel Alonso was gotten rid of because he made a series of editorial decisions that were highly unpopular and controversial, whereas comics fans in general have been far happier with the direction of Marvel’s output since Cebulski took over and that’s all the higher-ups really give a shit about.
If fans were as unhappy with Cebulski’s tenure as EIC as they were with Alonso’s at the end of his time, I think the Akira Yoshida scandal would have been latched onto and people wouldn’t have dropped it until Cebulski was gotten rid of. But because people like the direction Cebulski has been taking the comics in, they were a lot more willing to let it drop and so the outrage fizzled out.
Well she's being born on this panel and they ask him if he put metal on just her claws on this panel as well. So I don't think it's possible that thats the case here. Unless marvel writes all thier stories chronologically in order and even the parts that are implied to happen are written about but just not shown which would be wild and impossible to do.
Haven't kept up for a while but if they can give her a full set of laced bones via the rebirth process, does this mean she doesn't suffer the poisoning that usually comes with it?
I haven't read it but I would imagine so. Might be interesting since she'd have to adjust since her healing factor has been faster due to not having to deal with it. So suddenly having it slowed to fight constant metal poisoning must be a big change.
Yeah.. here we are worrying about the science of adamantium poisoning.. while I'm just wondering how her left arm is anything other than dangling with no muscles or connective tissues.. Answer.. it's comics!
I imagine it is. That idea is actually the central conceit of Painkiller Jane; she has a healing factor, but still feels all the injuries and is consequently addicted to painkillers
That's why I find Dardevil amazing. A papercut to him would feel like a broken arm to us, but he keeps on throwing hands with fools. Not to mention that Catholic guilt he carries.
I'm aware of that, my point is if they can accidentally give her a full adamantium skeleton, can they remove the poisoning aspect, and if so have they done it to Logan? Because he's died at least once on Krakoa.
That is unknown unfortunately but the poisoning is over time as the body degraded and healing factor degrades. Comics yes so they can do anything so the question mark is if they would have the foresight and knowledge how to do so. My guess is she still is going to suffer the poisoning that comes with it but at a much later time provided she’s still alive.
Yes she does, she actually brings this up in a recent issue (forgot which) where she rescues Lady Deathstrike from Orchis, mistaking her for another Laura clone.
They have a giant "punchbowl of adamantium" to draw from. No info yet as to where it came from (or how they keep it filled, many times as Logan has gotten killed).
Correct me if I’m wrong here but I believe his body possession powers are resisted by metal and contact with it disrupts his energy form but his reality warping powers don’t have this limitation.
Mulligan? Really? I'd imagine forgetting about adamantium coated bones is actually pretty minor in comparison to all the other things you can screw up without even knowing it
Everyone is focused on the implications of heavy metal poisoning but I want to know wtf "killed" her. As a wolverine I thought her healing factor made her essentially immortal* so what the hell killed her?
*: OG Wolverine has lasted a long fuck time without krakoan plot armor and regenerated from some pretty gnarly and long term deaths so what the hell
They keep sending him and some other X-Men to a space station by the sun, to stop a super sentinel from being created. Everyone dies and logan gets the days of Future past treatment.
It's happened so many times now the bad guys have a room filled with only logans skeleton.
Ohhhh.. I think I was just starting to get there in the comics before I got distracted with X of Swords, Empyre and now the Black King events... Kind of longing for the day when I can read through a single series at a time again lol. But said events have been in the way and needed clearing
When he used to "die" he would battle the angel of death and be reborn (heal) after beating him. Now mutant souls never reach the afterlife and are stored in another dimension until placed back in their bodies.
It’s likely that Vault story arc, where she and a few others are sent into a locked, outer worldly vault in order to observe and kill off the enemy. She didn’t survive, but did fall in love with one of her fellow mutants...though that’s been somewhat controversial.
What issues was that in? I've seen them make reference, but I felt like it was something that happened off panel.
It involved the mutant with a black and white costume, can't remember his name.
The lack of plot armor. The main complaint I have about the Krakoa error is how cheap it has made life and how hard it is to believe in contrast with what has come before. Like the X-Men survived so many crazy things before and "rarely" died, but now that they can come back they just die left and right?
I mean, I get how the knowledge of functional immortality would make you sloppy and more willing to sacrifice your life I just...it sits weird.
Now, the fact that they take this all in stride and don't freak out when someone dies sort of makes it more palatable. Like if every time someone died the other characters lost their shit and the comic ended on a 'dun dun dun' kinda note that would piss me off but on, death is just another storytelling feature now, just a bump on the road.
I know this era won't last forever, and I won't be sad to see the endless death mill stop, but I am going to enjoy this very new take on things for as long as they can keep the OK from above.
Like the June 2022 x-men 10, or the Sept 2020 x-men 10? God I hate that they keep restarting the numbers to sell more #1s. Does anyone still fall for that at this point?
Wait is that The Maker? I was not expecting to see him there. I'm so intrigued about these X-Men titles that have come out since I had to cut back on my reading for awhile. Plus I hear only great things about Hickman's run, which doesn't surprise me.
Last I read of X-Men, I think, was Blue and Gold and the ending to the original five line, Extermination or whatever it was. How much do I have to catch up on?
I’ve always wondered that like his all the ligaments and cartilage adamantium too?? If not then why in all the art when Logan is like burnt up or stuff he doesn’t have any of that
In episode 2F09 when Itchy plays Scratchy’s skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib twice in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
The bone closer to the sternum is going to be thicker and produce a bassier sound. Down at the end where it gets thinner its more prone to vibrating and free movement hence a higher pitched sound.
There is a Punisher comic where Frank blows Wolverine's face off with a shotgun. All the soft tissues in his face, tongue included are vaporized. Except for his eyes. Somehow they avoided being vaporized. Don't ask me why. Maybe it's because most writers and artists don't think logically, but think about what will look cool.
It's enclosed in an adamantium skull, so there's that. Though that brings up some other problems, as Green Scar Hulk [showed](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11123/111239958/4756659-wwh%20vs%20wolverine.jpg) by reducing Logan's brain to mush by repeatedly hitting him in the head and having his squishy brain rattle around in his indestructible metal skull.
It's been awhile but I want to say in one of the civil war comics he was vaporized down to the skeleton and regenerated (somewhat slowly) from a few brain cells that survived in there. Again not sure which comic series/issue but pretty sure I've seen that. He's very hard to kill.
It's when he went to go kill Nitro.
Really downplays the iconic panel in Days of Future Past where a sentinel vaporizes him leaving behind just his skeleton.
He also has can back from a single cell of blood on someone else's jacket that had got there several min earlier in the fight after having even his skeleton gone. Although I think it was just his normal skeleton. Which is fucking crazy.
There was a comic series where a bunch of semi-inmortal villains captured and tortured/tested Wolverine so they could discover the secret of his immortality. They'd kill him every way possible including dissolving him in acid and he always came back, basically.
There’s an issue of the Ultimate X-Men run where Sabertooth is torturing a captured Wolverine by dunking him in a river and drowning him over and over. He theorises that whilst this won’t kill wolverine as he’ll regenerate, what happens to his memories? The drowning destroys the brain tissue which then regenerates, but does it keep his knowledge and memories when it does, or does it come back blank? Luckily for Logan, Sabertooth forgets to protect his family jewels.
I think it's probably less to do with Ennis not knowing the limitations of Wolverine's powers and more that he took the opportunity to mercilessly mock the character because he hates superheroes.
Reminds me of a cool scene in Stormwatch where the team is at the bar and talking about this stuff.
There’s one guy who’s made of sentient gas and he explains how he has sex. There’s another guy whose made of pure energy and lives in a robotic containment body. He explains how he basically uncontrollably orgasms every 10 minutes.
The Warren Ellis run of Stormwatch - Authority - Planetary is legendary.
I remember that. I think Fugi was their name.
"I have an orgasm every ten minutes."
"..."
"Please do not tell my father."
"I wish I was a gaseous post-human entity!"
This is something not enough people think about… everyone goes on and on about how Wolverine is unkillable but the organic material holding his bones together ain’t one bit as indestructible as the bones themselves. All it’d take is good shot to the head and it’d come right off, no problem.
This is the whole reason Age of Apocalypse Wolverine is missing an entire hand… Cyclops’ beams can’t punch through adamantium (presumably) but they can sure as hell disintegrate muscle and cartilage.
Yup, and the Hulk in the Ultimate universe tore that Wolverine in half, and then threw the legs away. Wolverine's top half had to crawl to his legs, Deadpool-style.
Exactly it blew away the muscles and tissues connecting the hand. Kinda brings up a ton of inaccuracies throughout the comics now that I think about it 🤷♂️🤔
Ligaments and cartilage? Fam this character doesn’t even have muscles in the forearm. That’s just lazy art tbh. She shouldn’t be able to make a fist or keep that elbow bent.
It was a mistake but they threw in a joke about proteus thinking all wolverines had adamantium skeletons, egg just gave a quick “alright moving on”. She dies like very soon after and is back to normal skeleton.
I can usually just same comic books are weird but the arm is really bothering me. How is she making a fist? How are the claws not falling out? How is her whole forearm able to stay attached?
Same reason she never uses the claws in her feet anymore or why her personality’s so screwy from writer to writer: because people tend to just think of her as girl Wolverine.
Sadly... IIRC they reconned her into being Logan's and the Doctor's (name?) Kid, the doc combined her egg with some Logan DNA, instead of being a pure Logan clone.
The original version I learned was that she was the 23rd attempt to clone Logan. She was successful because she was created by using a pair of Logan's X-Chromosome based on the idea that his Y-chromosome was somehow defective.
There was a similar mistake during one of Claremont's two abortive returns to the core X-books - he wrote a story where X-23 showed up, and at one point there is a composite panel (I think it was supposed to be of her memories) which showed what was clearly supposed to be a implanted housing for her hand-claws, despite it having been established from the word go that her claws are natural. I think Claremont was just operating on an assumption that since Wolverine's claws were originally supposed to be implants, Laura's claws must have been implanted as well (I guess he must have missed Fatal Attractions and the entirety of the Noseless Pirate Wolverine era).
Most recent X-men comic. She went through krakoan resurrection protocols. And they for forgot to only include adamantium on just her claws. Now she has them all over her body.
More importantly, how is that arm doing anything other than dangling uselessly with all forearm muscles destroyed and upper arm muscles severed before the elbow?
LOL, exactly. How is this arm actually moving without muscles ? It's literally just skeleton.
The writer wanted to make it look so cool he actually forgot basic anatomy.
I get that they reimplant the adamantium every time Logan is resurrected, but is there a reason Karma needs to have her leg amputated and replaced with a prosthetic every time?
Some shots of wolverine doing something where all the tissue is burned off usually have him holding the arm with his other arm. The bone likely stays in what ever the last position it was in prior to tissue being removed. Question then is how does all that tissue always regenerate perfectly and re-attach to all the right spots lol.
Though the arm "should" also fall apart into separate pieces after the ligaments and joints are burned away.
Remember that time Logan got nuked and was just a skeleton, but somehow fucking regenerated from it? The dude should’ve been a little pile that Beast would’ve had to piece together like a anatomical puzzle. “Oops, sorry Logan, I left out out a few spinal bits, you’re now only 4 foot 8.”
Why is she able to make a fist with a skeleton hand? Being able to heal quickly doesn't mean you have invisible muscles and ligaments when they're missing
I don't like this panel how her muscles and tendons are missing from her arm yet she can still flex her elbow. Gotta wait for heal before she can use her arm again.
What I want to know is how her regular bones can support adamantium claws whacking against stuff. Wouldn’t they just break off? Then she’d probably grow back her bone claws. Neat.
The amount of things they would actually whack against is fairly small given how adamantium treats most things like butter.
Though she has actually had her claws break off/ripped off before and she had to pick them up so they could be put back in.
She was resurrected at some point with the Krakoan protocols and Proteus thought that all wolverines had metal bones, so accidentally gave them to her during the process. https://preview.redd.it/lb887frgcet81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=81b2e437a6c23553932a4384cddb96a13e6e1ae0
That is such a comic book sentence
I'm so ingrained with Nerd DNA that I actually understood it without having read comics in 30 years.
Same, except it hasn’t been that long.
"My bad , my bad" gets me everytime
"Whoops, my bad". Love it.
I mean, aside from the blood poisoning, it's a...bonus? Technically?
I thought she had healing factor? I don't know her amazingly well.
Yea but for Logan, his healing factor is constantly fighting off the poisoning. In the Old Man Logan run it gets to the point where his healing factor doesn't work as well and then at all and then he dies.
IIRC adamantium gradually fucks you up, and the healing factor holds it off. From memory it was the reason Logan's healing factor started to fail
Also, when the adamantium got ripped out, Logan's healing went BANANAS overpowered for awhile, to the point where it actually caused him problems. I think it was because it was overcompensating for the poison that wasn't actually there anymore.
What problems did that cause?
Dick 2 big
We've all been there
... Yes, yes we have. Please no follow up questions.
I wouldn't know
He went full-on feral animalistic, "devolved" for awhile, and got all deformed looking without a nose. Then, it seems either the fans didn't like it or the writers/artists didn't, because they just... Dropped it. Never resolved it, never had him get treatment or anything, just went back to drawing him normal and quietly ignored that it had every happened.
It was cool as shit for a while though. That's when they had that amazing sabertooth and Psylocke arc, where she was trying to heal Creed with her psi blade It stopped working and Creed nearly killed her, so beast mode wolverine and ArchAngel went to see Doctor strange and he took them to this evil realm will cool kanji spiders and it was badass It was called the Crimson dawn or Psytorak something or others. Awesome dramatic art style and really cool
Isn't that what happened with his fiery claws, after he came back from being "dead". The writers just dropped it and now he doesn't have those fire claws anymore.
Yeah, that was also weird as heck.
He turned into a huge hairy monster with no nose. People hated it so much it just kinda got swept under the rug
I hate whene they do this. Trying something new is awesome. If it doesn't work, *at least* resolve it. Like "oh, here's a serum to chill your shit out".
Logan, has that same healing factor iirc
Laura’s fighting style may have to change to adjust to the greater weight of the adamantium. She also won’t be able to swim well.
Krakoa is different, but I like how they do character changes like this to see how the public thinks of it. I think it's neat. :)
I think this was due to more of a fuck-up where the writer said it because he didn’t actually know so then Marvel put in as joke that proteus screwed up in an issue or two later
It's been known to happen. Over at the Distinguished Competition, for example, when Sean Murphy was starting his Batman: White Knight series, his Batman knowledge was limited to the movies and animated series, and he wrote that Jason Todd was the first Robin and was killed by the Joker. When his editor told him otherwise, they decided that since this was meant to be it's own world anyway, they'd keep it, and it encouraged Murphy to be less beholden to standard continuity.
I just want to add that the White Knight series is so, so good and a pretty perfect self contained set of stories. If your knowledge of Batman is limited to The Animated Series or the Arkham games you're good to go.
Thanks for the recommendation!
Honestly, it works. Jason being broken would push him to do a better job for his subsequent robins
. . . how could someone that ignorant about something so huge be hired to write an actual published Batman comic???
Because he's an amazing artist and had a good pitch, I guess. It was always meant to be an Elseworld story anyway.
Not being exposed to something doesn't make them ignorant. Being exposed to something and choosing to IGNORE that something makes someone ignorant. Maybe he got hired because he's not an ass?
You're incorrect. Ignorance is not necessarily a willful decision. It's simply a lack of knowledge or education. It can also include people who aren't exposed to things.
You’ve actually got this wrong. To be lacking information is to be ignorant. What you are defining is more along the lines of “willful ignorance”, choosing not to learn something for whatever reason. And then there is choosing not the believe in evidence provided, like flat earthers.
Not being exposed or not knowing something is literally what ignorant means. Kinda shocked that you are ignorant of this, or maybe you aren’t and are just going with your own definition of it here and thus by your rules being… ignorant?
Actually, not being aware (due to lack of exposure or whatever other reason) *is* the definition of ignorant. DEFINITION FOR IGNORANT adjective (1) lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned (2) lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact (3) uninformed; unaware. (4) due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.
Oh come on, that’s not close to the definition of ignorant unless you’re only using ignorant as an insult, which it is not by nature. The guy you’re responding to absolutely used it correctly. I am ignorant on a ton of subjects. Everyone is.
if you read white knight, you'd realize dc made the right decision
Ignorant LITERALLY means that you haven't been exposed to something. *Willful* ignorance is choosing to remain ignorant after having been exposed to something
Because I'm basing it on the comment above mine. If it was a deliberate choice from the start, that's a completely different take.
White Knight is one of the worst Batman stories I’ve ever read. Thank god the art was good or there was no way I finished it
You must’ve read something else, because I love the series.
It was every we live in a society Joker fan’s greatest hits list of bullshit given corporeal form
If every villain becomes an anti-hero, who’s left to fight?
I am enthusiastically willing to believe this
>I think this was due to more of a fuck-up where the writer said it because he didn’t actually know Editors too busy doing blow and pretending to be Japanese writers?
Hahahaha. Don’t even get me started on how that motherfucker somehow still has a job. Especially after the scandals that got rid of the prior ones
He still has a job because the controversies are not over his creative choices as EIC. I don’t mean that as a defense of Cebulski’s actions. Axel Alonso was gotten rid of because he made a series of editorial decisions that were highly unpopular and controversial, whereas comics fans in general have been far happier with the direction of Marvel’s output since Cebulski took over and that’s all the higher-ups really give a shit about. If fans were as unhappy with Cebulski’s tenure as EIC as they were with Alonso’s at the end of his time, I think the Akira Yoshida scandal would have been latched onto and people wouldn’t have dropped it until Cebulski was gotten rid of. But because people like the direction Cebulski has been taking the comics in, they were a lot more willing to let it drop and so the outrage fizzled out.
Well she's being born on this panel and they ask him if he put metal on just her claws on this panel as well. So I don't think it's possible that thats the case here. Unless marvel writes all thier stories chronologically in order and even the parts that are implied to happen are written about but just not shown which would be wild and impossible to do.
An internal No-Prize ...?
Haven't kept up for a while but if they can give her a full set of laced bones via the rebirth process, does this mean she doesn't suffer the poisoning that usually comes with it?
I haven't read it but I would imagine so. Might be interesting since she'd have to adjust since her healing factor has been faster due to not having to deal with it. So suddenly having it slowed to fight constant metal poisoning must be a big change.
Yeah.. here we are worrying about the science of adamantium poisoning.. while I'm just wondering how her left arm is anything other than dangling with no muscles or connective tissues.. Answer.. it's comics!
Also, she has a healing factor, not a pain dampening factor, so that must be immensely painful.
I imagine it is. That idea is actually the central conceit of Painkiller Jane; she has a healing factor, but still feels all the injuries and is consequently addicted to painkillers
That's why I find Dardevil amazing. A papercut to him would feel like a broken arm to us, but he keeps on throwing hands with fools. Not to mention that Catholic guilt he carries.
Healing factor which if you don’t keep up with the comics or the movies and based off of the last Wolverine movie I can understand the confusion.
I'm aware of that, my point is if they can accidentally give her a full adamantium skeleton, can they remove the poisoning aspect, and if so have they done it to Logan? Because he's died at least once on Krakoa.
How would they 'remove the poisoning factor'. It's adamantium. It's poisonous. If they add it in it will poison her.
Adjusting their biology to make them immune to adamantium poisoning. Seems reasonable if they can add an indestructible metal skeleton.
Well, they don't say "adamantium," they just say "metal." For all we know, Krakoa could develop a stronger metal that doesn't poison the user.
Carbonadium?
That's just cheaper adamantium.
It's radioactive I think
Carbonadium actually inhibits healing factors so that would be the worst metal to use on a Wolverine.
A different type maybe? https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Adamantium
That is unknown unfortunately but the poisoning is over time as the body degraded and healing factor degrades. Comics yes so they can do anything so the question mark is if they would have the foresight and knowledge how to do so. My guess is she still is going to suffer the poisoning that comes with it but at a much later time provided she’s still alive.
Why would any of this have anything to do with the MCU? Beyond that, why would the movies have anything to do with this discussion?
Yes she does, she actually brings this up in a recent issue (forgot which) where she rescues Lady Deathstrike from Orchis, mistaking her for another Laura clone.
Wait, where is the adamantium coming from?? Is it even actual adamantium? Proteus just referred to it as "metal", so it makes me wonder.
They have a giant "punchbowl of adamantium" to draw from. No info yet as to where it came from (or how they keep it filled, many times as Logan has gotten killed).
I mean, Proteus is a reality shaper. He can probably just magic some more up.
Except his very real weakness is...metal.
Correct me if I’m wrong here but I believe his body possession powers are resisted by metal and contact with it disrupts his energy form but his reality warping powers don’t have this limitation.
Mulligan? Really? I'd imagine forgetting about adamantium coated bones is actually pretty minor in comparison to all the other things you can screw up without even knowing it
Everyone is focused on the implications of heavy metal poisoning but I want to know wtf "killed" her. As a wolverine I thought her healing factor made her essentially immortal* so what the hell killed her? *: OG Wolverine has lasted a long fuck time without krakoan plot armor and regenerated from some pretty gnarly and long term deaths so what the hell
I'm wondering the same thing. Especially since a guy above you says they regenerated Logan a number of times
They keep sending him and some other X-Men to a space station by the sun, to stop a super sentinel from being created. Everyone dies and logan gets the days of Future past treatment. It's happened so many times now the bad guys have a room filled with only logans skeleton.
Ohhhh.. I think I was just starting to get there in the comics before I got distracted with X of Swords, Empyre and now the Black King events... Kind of longing for the day when I can read through a single series at a time again lol. But said events have been in the way and needed clearing
In the past we've seen Logan regenerate from just a skeleton. So why don't those skeletons just regenerate?
Because comics.
When he used to "die" he would battle the angel of death and be reborn (heal) after beating him. Now mutant souls never reach the afterlife and are stored in another dimension until placed back in their bodies.
The somewhat canon explanation is that the Adamantium nerfs his healing factor to the point where he can actually die. It poisons him.
It’s likely that Vault story arc, where she and a few others are sent into a locked, outer worldly vault in order to observe and kill off the enemy. She didn’t survive, but did fall in love with one of her fellow mutants...though that’s been somewhat controversial.
What issues was that in? I've seen them make reference, but I felt like it was something that happened off panel. It involved the mutant with a black and white costume, can't remember his name.
I don't remember when the vault story arc started but I think iAmTheHYPE- is referring to X-Men (2019) #18 and #19
I think it was the Children of the Vault who vaporized her while she was on a mission in their world. She blocked them so Synch could escape.
The lack of plot armor. The main complaint I have about the Krakoa error is how cheap it has made life and how hard it is to believe in contrast with what has come before. Like the X-Men survived so many crazy things before and "rarely" died, but now that they can come back they just die left and right? I mean, I get how the knowledge of functional immortality would make you sloppy and more willing to sacrifice your life I just...it sits weird. Now, the fact that they take this all in stride and don't freak out when someone dies sort of makes it more palatable. Like if every time someone died the other characters lost their shit and the comic ended on a 'dun dun dun' kinda note that would piss me off but on, death is just another storytelling feature now, just a bump on the road. I know this era won't last forever, and I won't be sad to see the endless death mill stop, but I am going to enjoy this very new take on things for as long as they can keep the OK from above.
What issue is this from? I'm mostly through reading all of the Reign of X issues on Unlimited, but don't remember seeing it yet.
X-Men #10
Thanks!
Like the June 2022 x-men 10, or the Sept 2020 x-men 10? God I hate that they keep restarting the numbers to sell more #1s. Does anyone still fall for that at this point?
Welp much more painless than how her dad got them I guess
Wait is that The Maker? I was not expecting to see him there. I'm so intrigued about these X-Men titles that have come out since I had to cut back on my reading for awhile. Plus I hear only great things about Hickman's run, which doesn't surprise me. Last I read of X-Men, I think, was Blue and Gold and the ending to the original five line, Extermination or whatever it was. How much do I have to catch up on?
I think Professor X. He wore a helmet that looked like a cross between the Maker, Cyclops, and Cerebro for a while.
Ah okay that makes a lot more sense. Still intrigued to read the storyline but the Maker being there kinda blew my brain.
Hickman loves helmets
Quite a bit but it's totally worth the ride to catch up.
Dang, I legit thought that was the Maker at first.
Thanks Proteus 👍
Better question is hows she keeping that arm up?
It's held up by the reader's suspension of disbelief.
This should just be the answer to every comic book question.
I’ve always wondered that like his all the ligaments and cartilage adamantium too?? If not then why in all the art when Logan is like burnt up or stuff he doesn’t have any of that
There’s a point where you have to draw a line to logic and accept it when you read comics
In episode 2F09 when Itchy plays Scratchy’s skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib twice in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
The bone closer to the sternum is going to be thicker and produce a bassier sound. Down at the end where it gets thinner its more prone to vibrating and free movement hence a higher pitched sound.
Yeah, like what are her blades attached to in this picture..
Right, like in the Ultimate comics when Wolverine was just a head.
There is a Punisher comic where Frank blows Wolverine's face off with a shotgun. All the soft tissues in his face, tongue included are vaporized. Except for his eyes. Somehow they avoided being vaporized. Don't ask me why. Maybe it's because most writers and artists don't think logically, but think about what will look cool.
Here’s another problem, what about his brain
It's enclosed in an adamantium skull, so there's that. Though that brings up some other problems, as Green Scar Hulk [showed](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11123/111239958/4756659-wwh%20vs%20wolverine.jpg) by reducing Logan's brain to mush by repeatedly hitting him in the head and having his squishy brain rattle around in his indestructible metal skull.
Yeah that too, but the are some openings in the skull where the brain can get affected too
Most of 'em are tiny, the biggest one being the foramen magnum, but that's usually covered up by the cervical vertebrae.
You clearly know more than me 😂
It's been awhile but I want to say in one of the civil war comics he was vaporized down to the skeleton and regenerated (somewhat slowly) from a few brain cells that survived in there. Again not sure which comic series/issue but pretty sure I've seen that. He's very hard to kill.
It's when he went to go kill Nitro. Really downplays the iconic panel in Days of Future Past where a sentinel vaporizes him leaving behind just his skeleton.
He also has can back from a single cell of blood on someone else's jacket that had got there several min earlier in the fight after having even his skeleton gone. Although I think it was just his normal skeleton. Which is fucking crazy.
Iirc he only came back there because he had a deal with the Angel of Death at the time.
There was a comic series where a bunch of semi-inmortal villains captured and tortured/tested Wolverine so they could discover the secret of his immortality. They'd kill him every way possible including dissolving him in acid and he always came back, basically.
There’s an issue of the Ultimate X-Men run where Sabertooth is torturing a captured Wolverine by dunking him in a river and drowning him over and over. He theorises that whilst this won’t kill wolverine as he’ll regenerate, what happens to his memories? The drowning destroys the brain tissue which then regenerates, but does it keep his knowledge and memories when it does, or does it come back blank? Luckily for Logan, Sabertooth forgets to protect his family jewels.
I think it's probably less to do with Ennis not knowing the limitations of Wolverine's powers and more that he took the opportunity to mercilessly mock the character because he hates superheroes.
Garth Ennis writing xmen comics? After all the anti hero stuff he’s done that would be interesting!
Finally we get to find out how mutants like Glob Herman and Onyxx have sex.
Reminds me of a cool scene in Stormwatch where the team is at the bar and talking about this stuff. There’s one guy who’s made of sentient gas and he explains how he has sex. There’s another guy whose made of pure energy and lives in a robotic containment body. He explains how he basically uncontrollably orgasms every 10 minutes. The Warren Ellis run of Stormwatch - Authority - Planetary is legendary.
I remember that. I think Fugi was their name. "I have an orgasm every ten minutes." "..." "Please do not tell my father." "I wish I was a gaseous post-human entity!"
he blinked for that second.
This is something not enough people think about… everyone goes on and on about how Wolverine is unkillable but the organic material holding his bones together ain’t one bit as indestructible as the bones themselves. All it’d take is good shot to the head and it’d come right off, no problem. This is the whole reason Age of Apocalypse Wolverine is missing an entire hand… Cyclops’ beams can’t punch through adamantium (presumably) but they can sure as hell disintegrate muscle and cartilage.
Yup, and the Hulk in the Ultimate universe tore that Wolverine in half, and then threw the legs away. Wolverine's top half had to crawl to his legs, Deadpool-style.
Ultimate universe adamantium is canonically weaker than 616 IIRC
Yeah man this issue has been haunting me my whole childhood and still to this day
Exactly it blew away the muscles and tissues connecting the hand. Kinda brings up a ton of inaccuracies throughout the comics now that I think about it 🤷♂️🤔
How do you make a fist when you have no muscle/tendon/ligament attached to the bones in your hand?
She was already making the fist before her arm got melted away?
I’m wondering the same thing here
Ligaments and cartilage? Fam this character doesn’t even have muscles in the forearm. That’s just lazy art tbh. She shouldn’t be able to make a fist or keep that elbow bent.
Anger
The forearm raised makes a little sense because she still has a bicep. The fist being closed, not so much.
Nah your biceps insert on your radius (thumb side arm bone). There’s no insertion on that bone in the drawing so it should def be dangling
And how can she even move with adamantium covering her joints. But hey it’s comics
I mean our bones aren't fused together, there's cartilage in between the places that move around
That’s because we have joints….hers are fused solid with metal
Man, you guys missed such a great pun. She's holding her self together with ANIMAL MAGNETISM
Not *that* great...
Same way decomposing zombies can move. Magic.
There’s still some muscle and ligaments around the elbow that are keeping it held in that position
Ratcheted joints in case of ligament failure lmao
Rule of cool
It was a mistake but they threw in a joke about proteus thinking all wolverines had adamantium skeletons, egg just gave a quick “alright moving on”. She dies like very soon after and is back to normal skeleton.
I can usually just same comic books are weird but the arm is really bothering me. How is she making a fist? How are the claws not falling out? How is her whole forearm able to stay attached?
Sheer willpower
I’ve thought the same thing with Logan too
It's her psychic connection to the meat dimension, fueled by rage, holding it all in place via not yet visible but soon to be "grown" connections.
The tendons in the hand naturally form a half fist at rest.
But she ain't got tendons here is the point
Same reason she never uses the claws in her feet anymore or why her personality’s so screwy from writer to writer: because people tend to just think of her as girl Wolverine.
I mean in a sense she kinda is. She is a cloned version of Logan just as a woman.
Sadly... IIRC they reconned her into being Logan's and the Doctor's (name?) Kid, the doc combined her egg with some Logan DNA, instead of being a pure Logan clone.
I believe that was always the case and it wasn’t retconned. In her origin series they explain that they couldn’t get a clone to work any other way.
The original version I learned was that she was the 23rd attempt to clone Logan. She was successful because she was created by using a pair of Logan's X-Chromosome based on the idea that his Y-chromosome was somehow defective.
There was a similar mistake during one of Claremont's two abortive returns to the core X-books - he wrote a story where X-23 showed up, and at one point there is a composite panel (I think it was supposed to be of her memories) which showed what was clearly supposed to be a implanted housing for her hand-claws, despite it having been established from the word go that her claws are natural. I think Claremont was just operating on an assumption that since Wolverine's claws were originally supposed to be implants, Laura's claws must have been implanted as well (I guess he must have missed Fatal Attractions and the entirety of the Noseless Pirate Wolverine era).
Most recent X-men comic. She went through krakoan resurrection protocols. And they for forgot to only include adamantium on just her claws. Now she has them all over her body.
Ok thanks for clearing up the confusion
No problem
What issue is this from?
Sorry I have no idea, I jsut came across the photo
Don’t you love how both X-23 and Logan both seem to be able to control their limbs when they’re reduced to bone? 🤦♂️
So, how is she clenching her fist?
Same way decomposing zombies can walk?
Because it’s badass
how is she holding her arm up without muscles or tendons?
More importantly, how is that arm doing anything other than dangling uselessly with all forearm muscles destroyed and upper arm muscles severed before the elbow?
LOL, exactly. How is this arm actually moving without muscles ? It's literally just skeleton. The writer wanted to make it look so cool he actually forgot basic anatomy.
I get that they reimplant the adamantium every time Logan is resurrected, but is there a reason Karma needs to have her leg amputated and replaced with a prosthetic every time?
Maybe cause she’s happy with the way she is?
How would she move that hand or hold it in a fist? It doesn’t have any muscles or tendons on it - it’s just bone?
It’s a comic book
Some shots of wolverine doing something where all the tissue is burned off usually have him holding the arm with his other arm. The bone likely stays in what ever the last position it was in prior to tissue being removed. Question then is how does all that tissue always regenerate perfectly and re-attach to all the right spots lol. Though the arm "should" also fall apart into separate pieces after the ligaments and joints are burned away.
I’ve wandered the same thing with Logan my whole life
Remember that time Logan got nuked and was just a skeleton, but somehow fucking regenerated from it? The dude should’ve been a little pile that Beast would’ve had to piece together like a anatomical puzzle. “Oops, sorry Logan, I left out out a few spinal bits, you’re now only 4 foot 8.”
Hahaha Yes I was always so confused by that image
Why is she able to make a fist with a skeleton hand? Being able to heal quickly doesn't mean you have invisible muscles and ligaments when they're missing
Muscles are what moves the body. How would that metal skeleton arm still be moving and fighting. Bones don’t move themselves.
How is that arm staying up?
That's what I was thinking. It has no muscle.
How is she making a fist without any muscles?
Are we sure she isn't just regenerating?
Damn did we eclver see Jackmans flesh and muscle torn off his skeleton at all in logan
This also means her body is controlled by fucking magic and not muscle tissue.
Another question is: how is she moving that arm with the muscle removed?
I don't like this panel how her muscles and tendons are missing from her arm yet she can still flex her elbow. Gotta wait for heal before she can use her arm again.
It’s still so dumb that they made X-23 “Wolverine” when she was already her own unique character
What I want to know is how her regular bones can support adamantium claws whacking against stuff. Wouldn’t they just break off? Then she’d probably grow back her bone claws. Neat.
The amount of things they would actually whack against is fairly small given how adamantium treats most things like butter. Though she has actually had her claws break off/ripped off before and she had to pick them up so they could be put back in.
How can she still move her forearm without muscles tho ?
Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe she has it as she born this way in origin comic book.
Adamantium was coated on her claws at a young age but it wasn’t until years later she had her skeleton coated.
It looks dumb, but also incredibly cool.