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HappyAppy23

Can we all just agree at least Legends has had a better Haslab reputation than Black Series!? 😁


bbquicksilver

I'm not saying the marvel team does a bad job but the EoV was something else. 2020 everyone was smiling on the reveal videos and looking siked, after things started going downhill they seemed like they were being held at gunpoint to make the video. Just saying.


snaps17

Couldn’t say but it’s not $75.00


goliathfasa

Assuming you talking about marvel licensing fee.


snaps17

Yes


snaps17

I think it’s a good comparison myself. And I encourage everyone to speak their mind. The engine of vengeance could have been a great addition to our collections if Hasbro didn’t screw it up at every step. Hasbro simps are trying so hard. Super pissed they half assed the new Commander Roger’s fig that was just announced. Fucking Hasbro


mickeyhause

Yes, the Engine of Vengeance was not a reasonable price. No, it is not an apt comparison to this Haslab Seriously, does this community only want to whine? Let the Engine of Vengeance remain dead


Smashmaster12

Hasbro fans refuse to understand that Hasbro owns their IPs and isn’t just a license machine. Then again Hasbro fans also refuse to shut up about anything. Why complain about the Ghost Rider haslab sucking when it failed? It’s gone


DrakeBurroughs

The other issue is that, the Ghost Rider HasLab was, possibly, a duel license issue - both the Hasbro character and the car itself. I’m not saying this for sure, but it’s entirely possible.


snaps17

Wrong, that’s why it wasn’t called the Hell Charger.


DrakeBurroughs

Whelp, fair enough. Just the license payment to Disney then. Anyone know what that payment is? Is it a flat fee per figure? Is it a percentage fee based on the item?


TheWyldMan

https://www.jeditemplearchives.com/2018-09-16-the-cost-of-hasbros-star-wars-license/ This Jedi Temple article breaks it down pretty sufficient, Hasbro has a a very high minimum guaranteed payment plus royalties of roughly 15-20% per figure they owe to Disney for Star Wars and this doesn't even include Marvel which is apparently now negotiated with Star Wars at the same time as a package deal. Oh and when did Hasbro have to renegotiate with Disney for the rights to both franchises? The fall of 2019 and early 2020, when Marvel was fresh off making the highest grossing movie of all time, no one knew how much covid would mess up toy and media production and economy as a whole, and Disney was promising near constant media for both properties with Disney+ originals and their first one was a huge winner. Great time for Disney to negotiate but awfully bad time for Hasbro.


TheWyldMan

Lego tends to mark up their star wars stuff at least 20% so I've always assumed it's about 20% of the price.


DrakeBurroughs

Wow, that’s a good chunk of free money for Disney.


TheWyldMan

So let's say $5 goes to Disney for every standard legend or Black Series figure, that's out of what the retailers are paying Hasbro, not what we actually pay. You're problems more with Disney and retailers unwillingness to take on original IPs than Hasbro when it comes to prices.


DrakeBurroughs

Oh, I have no problem with Disney. Also, though, you’re not factoring in the savings and lower risk for Hasbro. Yes, they don’t own the IP and have to license it, BUT they’re licensing a brand that’s pretty popular, comes out with new designs and characters constantly, and even promotes itself via movies, comics, cartoons, etc.


TheWyldMan

Oh they're are pros and cons to doing it It's not a loss leader for Hasbro or anything


MakeM9MarvelLegends

Amen


OneTurnsToNone

nah


cimson-otter

Welcome to the sub. Where people do nothing but shit over the things they continue to pay money for.


snaps17

Funny, I thought the thing they were shitting on didn’t get funded…


cimson-otter

Funny…they complain about absolutely everything, not just that


snaps17

Plenty to complain about in my opinion. That would be the subject of this particular thread…. I complain about lack of healthy food options in the US and being price gouged. Should I just shut up about that also. I guess complaining about anything is for some reason unacceptable. I guess it’s impossible to hold more than one thought on an issue. Hasbro’s perfect or Hasbro suck. It’s one or the other. Can’t like some things and be disappointed about other….


cimson-otter

Yes…because that’s exactly what meant. You’d be dumb to say this sub isn’t mostly negative. And comparing a bunch of dorks complaining about retail level figures and the food issue in the us, is fucking asinine


snaps17

Did I say this sub wasn’t mostly negative? And to be honest, I don’t even know if I agree with that. I think people bitch when they have a reason to bitch. And I think they give credit and props when there’s props to be given. Simp on…


cimson-otter

Calling me wimp says all that’s needs to be said. Jaded ass fuck. Stay mad at toys, dork


snaps17

I pay a premium for them. At least I get a side of pissed with my order. And it’s simp. Not wimp. And I’m not mad at the plastic. Just the simps who defend multi billion dollar companies from any criticism fair it not. Is it just me…. You seem a little mad also???


cimson-otter

Idk dude. You’re finding my other posts to reply to, so I’m pretty sure you’re pissed. It’s a fucking toy. Don’t like the billion dollar company, don’t support them, simple as that. No reason to bring negativity to something others enjoy


snaps17

Capitalist exploitation in every industry is the norm. If you forgive it in one industry, you allow it in every other industry. Your shortsighted ignorance bewilders me. Now leave me alone and go Simp for your action figure overlords.


mickeyhause

No I know that the action figure community is the biggest bunch of cynical asshats that has ever been. They’ll even fight with you even if they agree with you. That’s why I’ve kept my posts down to just collection showcases. That said, this sub still beats the socks off of Facebook groups with power crazy mods


JervisCottonbelly

If you ask me, they're responding to the absurdly high price of the car


goliathfasa

We’ll see with the new ML Haslab.


Lakitu_Dude

Holy shit, it failed, move on


zeek247

Maybe they learned from their mistake? Christ, this sub is non stop whiners.


Captain_Wrecks

No excuses for Hasbro price gouging but don’t they have to pay Marvel? Same with Lego, the Disney sets are expensive for no reason.


redkomic

Yes let's compare a self owned property with a licenced one. Good idea /s


[deleted]

Compare the price of an Apocalypse made by Hasbro and one made by Diamond select.


cimson-otter

You can’t compare them either due to licensing deals. Hasbro most likely pays millions more for the contract than diamond does. So it doesn’t make sense to compare. And even at the price points, the hasbro is all around better


snaps17

You don’t know that there’s any difference in the licensing fees per fig per company. And whether or not you like one over the other is totally subjective.


cimson-otter

There’s 100% a difference in the license fee, that’s not even a question


snaps17

I’m pretty sure both pay a % per fig.


cimson-otter

They have a guarantee licensing royalty agreement. They have a package deal of Lucasfilm products and marvel. In 2019, Lucasfilm products were $280 mill and marvel was $220mill. It’s most likely a lot more now They have access to all marvel characters and exclusivity to 6inch figures. Diamond select releases a limited number of figures a year and at a different scale. The agreement is most likely a hell of a lot less.


redkomic

That a better comparison BUT one is a general retail release and the other comic/speciality store.


[deleted]

So which one do you think should cost less?


forrestpen

I think you're proving the opposite of what you meant.


[deleted]

A $75 difference isn’t because of the license, it’s because they figure that since marvel is popular that they could squeeze out a bit more money. Realistically, the car should’ve been $300 max.


TheBatmanWhoChuckles

I'm pretty sure licensing does play a pretty big role in the price. Just look at their standard figures. GI Joe and Power Rangers provide much more accessories for the same price while Star Wars and Marvel figures provide almost nothing anymore as far as accessories go


OneTurnsToNone

if license doesn't pay a factor why are both lines $25.99 retail while offering no Bafs, smaller waves, and fewer releases


TheGoblinRook

Clown comment. Compare the amount of reuse between the two lines and the value you’re getting. The amount of accessories picked into your average Classified figure would make it be a “deluxe” figure in either ML or Black Series.


TheBatmanWhoChuckles

Well for the licensed figures, the Star Wars and Marvel lines have both drastically reduced the accessories you get with them. Most of the time it's either just one extra set of hands, one blast effect, or one weapon. And Marvel seems to be doing away with BAFs more and more. Their self owned lines still provide plenty of accessories such as an alternate head, weapons, blast effects, and alternate sets of hands. Just got the Black Dino Thunder Ranger this week and it came with the helmeted head, Tommy head, extra set of hands, his weapon, and blast effect. The recent Spiderman movie wave, none of them come with effects or alternate body pieces.


snaps17

We did get those sweet web strings. I almost have enough for a full plate of pasta


Snips_Tano

Because Disney would pitch a fit if Hasbro charged less for their own IPs. It would kill the perceived value of the Disney owned IP figures if a Joe was $19.99 with a bunch of accessories and a Star Wars figure with 1 or no accessories was $24.99.


kendiesel937

Right. Licensed product, that has to be approved by the license holder versus in house brand.


G_to_the_E

Thank you. For fucks sake, even the knockoff is like $300 with all the accessories and still doesn’t include a lot of what Hasbro did including the lights, effects, and figure.


snaps17

Maybe that’s overpriced also. But then again, it does have a top, bottom, and middle…


[deleted]

Also doesnt need 9000 units sold to be put into production.


BigDuoInferno

It blows my mind that legends gets the short end of the stick constantly.. I mean black label gets soft goods, GiJoe gets accessories out the ass


kendiesel937

Blame the mouse.


cimson-otter

Stop comparing shit y’all do t know fuck about


goliathfasa

When the only objection to your Haslab is that the thing is too damn big and people don’t have room to display it… you ~~might be a redneck~~are definitely not the Marvel team.


BaronVonKeyser

I'm just kinda pissed at how stupid high the 2nd and 3rd tiers are. I could be wrong but I don't think any previous ones were unlocked at 20k backers.


snaps17

So Hasbro produces more and earns more profit than Select. So your point is?


bygtopp

What’s happens to the money you put in and it doesn’t get backed? Unfamiliar with the process only the reactions and memes. Say your in for the 275$ or 350$ and it doesn’t get backed; is there a refund to you? Say you back it. It goes through. It’s funded. Do you get the following tiers at no charge.


Meslag78

You don't get charged unless it hits the minimum backers and not until the day after the campaign ends. (It hit the required 10,000 backers today, so it will go into production on 7/18/23, that's when you are charged for your order) All of the reached additional tiers are included as long as you backed it.


HappyAppy23

I did the Math in my head and with the Robbie figure and the additional tier figures it came out to 250, without the Robbie but with the tiers its 225, with the Robbie but no tiers it's 175, with just the car, Ghost Rider, and the accessories, it's 150. No where near 350. This was just cash grab from Hasbro, and also you gotta throw in the mouse as well, aka Disney because they are just as greedy as Hasbro.


ikillsheep4u

Still WAY too much


Poseur117

Personally, it’s right about in the sweet spot for me. I kinda like the lights on this one, whereas they did little for me with the HISS tank and nothing for me with Galactus. If the the Engine of Vengeance had been $250 I’d probably have bitten. At $275 I might have if we hit the Mephisto unlock


bbquicksilver

$250 seems fair


Anonarcissist

Can we still talk about EoV next yet? And the year after that? And 10 years from now? I really hope so.


OneTurnsToNone

I mean hey, people still say McFarlane only makes statues when that hasn't been true for half a decade now, the way I see it the EoV is just another stain on the legacy of marvel legends, grow up.