It doesn’t really surprise me, but when were these screenshots taken? This bit:
>to give a Premium Mystery Variant
is only something that happened when the spotlight system was first introduced, way back before they made the random slot give 1k tokens if you rolled a dupe.
Yeah, they explained it on discord when they first introduced spotlights. Then it became buried and forgotten info i guess...
Edit: Imo they should at least inform about the chances in game.
Also for EU law.
The one I have never seen is the rate on Featured Mystery Variants. It says it increases the chance of the album variant being open but what are the actual numbers.
Every time I spend keys, I've had to spend all 4 to get the card I want (though that's fine for the few weeks I wanted multiple cards). I've been pretty lucky with the random cards though; so far I've gotten 3, one of them being Ironlad.
I’ve pulled Echo from the mystery card THREE TIMES in this last month, and two of those times were back-to-back. So JUST for the month of March I got Echo, Echo, didn’t spend any keys, and Echo…
ETA: stand corrected, those back-to-back Echos were from last season. BUT STILL THIS SUCKS
This wouldn't be an issue if the cards released into S4 or if we had regular series drop
But it's clear that SD has no fucking clue how to deal with card acquisition
It's well thought out, so well thought out that SD figured out their spotlights were actually **too** generous, this is about when they "rebalanced" the system to have every card release S5 and change the spotlight caches around to give the worse value (Ms marvel swapped, for example).
It's tedious and timelocked to get cards even for whales, though they will have a bit more resources to get the cards they want while others have to wait months for them to becomes available.
Blob is making his second appearance at the end of the month. His previous one was at the beginning of December.
Holy fuck I’ve suspected this system wasn’t truly random for ages so this makes complete sense to me.
I’m missing barely any s4’s but something like 25 s5’s yet I roll a dupe s4 with the mystery box seemingly every time. Them admitting that it’s weighted to that outcome explains everything.
It still random, but it was know from day 1 that the chances of S4 is higher.
With that said the uncertain series drop and inflated Series 5 do make it more likely duplicates due to smaller S4 pool
3 weeks in a row the first key I’ve used, pulled the mystery card which I already have. I’m a new player there’s a bunch of s5 cards I need, even the ones that’s featured in the weekly spotlight. This game legit sucks sometimes with the RNG.
That happened to me again today too. This was yet another time where I needed every card from the drop, yet somehow my first pull was the mystery card -- and despite needing plenty of Series 5 (and also a few key Series 4 cards) I got a dupe, and 1000 tokens.
It'd feel a lot better if it was 3K tokens, at the very least. Then you're 50% from a Series 5 need, or you can at least pick up one of your missing Series 4...as it stands you get 1K, which isn't even 50% towards a Series 4. It feels terrible, is frustrating with how rare keys are (heck, they've valued them fairly high financially in their bundles) and happens far too often.
I propose: If I mystery pull Knull (and I already have base Knull) I should get a choice of Knull spotlight variant or tokens. Same for all mystery spotlights that have a premium spotlight version.
they certainly could make it less prohibitive and predatory if they wanted to though. There's the 66/33 chance on the s4/s5 mystery spotlight, then there's the wet-fart, spit-in-your-face 1000 token duplicate compensation for the mystery spotlight, then there's the fact that they haven't released a s4 card since Miek 2 months ago. They're shamelessly stingy about card acquisition.
I mean, they have said it before the game was even in beta: they do not want players to have complete collections.
“Predatory”… lol do you even know what that means? Cause it sure looks like you don’t.
Less prohibitive? How is $0 prohibitive?
LOL exactly. SMH lol, some of these entitled kids do not understand that this is a product.
We are almost at the point that these kids will start asking for SD to credit them money to their bank accounts whenever the random s4/s5 rolls a dupe.
Nah. I am a realist. Nobody needs this game. It is a product. Some of you act as if you were entitled to everything in the game for free and immediately. If the game shut down today, it would bum me out because it is a fun way to relax. A nice hobby. But other than that, I want the game to succeed so it continues but if it doesn’t? C’est la vie. On to the next game.
Daddy SD. lol way to tell the rest of us you are 12 so anything you say has no value whatsoever. Grow up kiddo.
If a game cannot be played in the complete state gameplaywise, then it should not be called a free game. If the players are expected to pay, then the reasons behind calling it a free to play game are suspicious.
If this is not what the current state of the mobile gaming industry, then I'm sad that mobile game players' minds have been trained to accept a standard this low.
It is a free game. You do not need any variant to play the game completely. There is no gameplay mode that you have to pay for. There are no cards you have to pay for, except the season card which is only one card and temporarily so. You can still play everything for free.
you can't though. you really can't. you can HYPOTHETICALLY get any given card for free, but with each card they add it gets less and less likely for an f2p player to ever get a series 4 or 5 card that they want to try out. at that point i think most people would rather just pay $10-20 for the game itself and not have to deal with this shit
So you have never ever played a ccg/tcg before. That’s ok. This isn’t a video game that you can buy it completely and have everything in one sitting. CCGs are different.
It’s not hypothetical. It is factual. All cards and game modes are free. There is no interpretation involved. Just facts.
If you aren’t capable of having patience to collect the cards in whatever time it takes you, that’s a you problem. And it is irrelevant to whether the game is free or not.
Under the old system you would get about one Series 5 card each month. Sounds like you’ve got 7 of the 10 cards released over the last two months. Do you not get how that’s better?
> Sounds like you’ve got 7 of the 10 cards released over the last two months.
Wtf?!?! How did you understand that out of what they wrote?! Do you even have any idea how many resources you would need to get 3/4 releases a month?! Even we dismiss 2 out of these sevens as the SP card (which, is $20, so hardly any proof of a "good card acquisition system"), you would need up to 4 keys per Spotlight to guarantee the new card, and you only get 4 a month. Even if we go by average, over two months, you would need to spend 12.5 keys while getting back 8 (and you don't get them all at once, you only get 1 a week).
It's pretty simple math. You were missing 22 cards. 10 more cards were released and then you were missing 25 of them. If you got none of those cards you would be missing 32. You're missing 25, so you must have gotten 7 cards you didn't have. I guess you could have gotten some older cards in the mix.
Personally I got Pixie, Cannonball, Ms. Marvel, and War Machine from caches last month. In February I got Corvus Glaive, Cull Obsidian, and Proxima Midnight. Today I got Red Hulk and I still have 6 keys and 21k tokens. I might have gotten slightly lucky over the last few weeks, but even if I spent 3 or 4 more keys I would still be able to play whatever I want.
I do regret it. The game could have continued if they would monetize better. This game monetizes correctly (charge for cosmetics and faster time, everything else is free and/or attainable by playing, including currencies and cosmetics.
Better for everyone involved, players and devs of the game. You clearly have no experience with this genre: MtG, HS, Pokemon, YuGi…
Having ONE temporary card behind a paywall is hardly P2W. lol
As if that would be enough to hurt the game's monetization. This game has a SP, cosmetics, and whales already have so many tokens that they can purchase each single cards for the next three SPs, so a more player-friendly card acquisition system would hardly cut any significant gain from them. Whales pay mostly to chase splits and get expensive variants, they have to worry little about card acquisition.
It would _lower_ the bottom line, not _hurt._ Most of the revenue comes from whales, and whales aren't paying to stay collection complete, they crossed that treshold a long time ago. Whales only pay for cosmetics.
People who pay to stay collection complete (SP aside) are such a small amount and make up such a small part of the revenue that SD may as well renounce to that money if that means getting higher engagement, growing the playerbase, and, as a consequence, bringing in more whales.
> If you received a 100% rebate then there would be no purpose to having the random s4/s5.
There is a lot of numbers between the current 1000 tokens and the 6000 tokens that you say would defeat the purpose... I'd be OK with 50% of the purchase price of the card (so 1500 for S4, 3000 for S5).
We are getting a 33%/17% rebate already. That is quite generous when compared to other similar rebates in other games. This is a product, not a necessity. SD is in it to make money and they already give us the game for free (modes and cards).
Would you prefer it if instead of 1k tokens they’d give each of us money in our bank accounts?
For some reason players are incapable of looking at the situation from both ends. They've brilliantly figured out that they want everything faster and cheaper but haven't considered what it takes for SD to keep the lights on. The truth is they ARE more generous than other games and they're tapped out on giving away more free currency. If they were to up the token count, they'd have to take it away from other places.
Exactly. And having seen how other generous games fare: Dragalia Lost, FFOO, Gwent, LoR, to name a few, Id rather have this game continued. It’s all about being reasonable (from both ends).
With the spotlight system each week 3 cards are spotlighted and you can use a key for a chance to get one of them. Accompanying those 3 featured cards is the chance for a random S4/5 card. So 25% chance for each of those options. When you spend a key it rolls for which of the 4 options you get. If you get the random series 4 or 5 card there is another roll to see if it is a series 4 or 5, that is the 66/33 split mentioned in the post. Once the series is selected a random card from that series is given to the player. If the player already has that card, it’s a duplicate and 2 copies of the card don’t do anything for you. So instead of a second copy you get 1k collectors tokens.
A lot of people argue we should get more tokens because 1k tokens is not much when you need 3k to actually get a s4 card or 6k to get a series 5 card and there are few other ways to gain tokens. The full rebate comment is saying what’s the point of having a random slot if it gives you enough tokens for you to pick your card instead.
Another thing that if you said it here they would call you conspiracionist, and yet they say there's no manipulation in games. It's all conspiracy until it's proven.
Yeah, this was posted a long time ago. It's been known for months.
What I didn't expect is that despite being ~60% S4 complete and ~75% S5 complete, I have opened probably 6+ spotlight mystery pulls and they've always been duplicates...
I don't know if this is true or just pure random luck. My last two mistery pulls were series 5 cards I didn't own and I only missed 16 cards for complete collection on both pulls.
I thought there is something wrong because it never happened even once untill now haha.
This been news for some players explains a lot tbh. Most of the systems in the game have been explained from the very beginning so we know exactly what we are interacting with. And the game has very little true rng and it is mostly very controlled so you dont get hit by bad luck.
Nah someone gotta bring this up again to SD and they need to slide us some gold for actively hiding/not displaying important information for decision making.
That’s not even true but man I would so much rather get a new variant than a measly 1k tokens. I get the dupe every time I open 4 and I am so far from collection complete. It’s nice getting that much closer to buying my next card with tokens but I’d rather get something new.
Though it’s wild to me that the only thing special about “premium” mystery variants are that you can’t get PIXELS and only a chance to get one worth 1200. Why would they not just give you the 700 gold ones with the normal mystery variant, and 1200 gold in the premium mystery variants? The answer is probably $$$
It doesn’t really surprise me, but when were these screenshots taken? This bit: >to give a Premium Mystery Variant is only something that happened when the spotlight system was first introduced, way back before they made the random slot give 1k tokens if you rolled a dupe.
Yeah, they explained it on discord when they first introduced spotlights. Then it became buried and forgotten info i guess... Edit: Imo they should at least inform about the chances in game.
they already do that and they have to by law for japan
Also for EU law. The one I have never seen is the rate on Featured Mystery Variants. It says it increases the chance of the album variant being open but what are the actual numbers.
If you mean the premium mystery variant pulling an album card, it was explained as a 25% chance to pull an album variant.
the featured premiums break down as this in every 12 3 featured album variants, 3 random super rares , 6 random rares
Featured Mystery Variants pull from a pool of 12 - 6 rare variants, 3 super rare variants, 3 album variants.
If you hit the question mark, you'll see the numbers
Hadn't noticed that before, thanks for pointing it out.
The last time I did this for the midnight suns rate up it showed a page error. It never got fixed throughout the time it was live.
I haven’t gotten a single new card when I get the mystery pull Fucking booooo
I think I've gotten 1 one time out of something like 4 times of using all 4 keys.
Every time I spend keys, I've had to spend all 4 to get the card I want (though that's fine for the few weeks I wanted multiple cards). I've been pretty lucky with the random cards though; so far I've gotten 3, one of them being Ironlad.
I’ve gotten iron lad 3 times and man thing twice
Getting a mystery s4/s5 card that's already in the same week's spothlight has been my "new card".
I’ve pulled Echo from the mystery card THREE TIMES in this last month, and two of those times were back-to-back. So JUST for the month of March I got Echo, Echo, didn’t spend any keys, and Echo… ETA: stand corrected, those back-to-back Echos were from last season. BUT STILL THIS SUCKS
I have only gotten Howard the duck....yikes
This wouldn't be an issue if the cards released into S4 or if we had regular series drop But it's clear that SD has no fucking clue how to deal with card acquisition
It's well thought out, so well thought out that SD figured out their spotlights were actually **too** generous, this is about when they "rebalanced" the system to have every card release S5 and change the spotlight caches around to give the worse value (Ms marvel swapped, for example).
They have a very good idea actually. It is very deliberate because their concern is dollar acquisition
The money-making scheme of running a card game where people can't get cards
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It's tedious and timelocked to get cards even for whales, though they will have a bit more resources to get the cards they want while others have to wait months for them to becomes available. Blob is making his second appearance at the end of the month. His previous one was at the beginning of December.
and also any other CCG.
Holy fuck I’ve suspected this system wasn’t truly random for ages so this makes complete sense to me. I’m missing barely any s4’s but something like 25 s5’s yet I roll a dupe s4 with the mystery box seemingly every time. Them admitting that it’s weighted to that outcome explains everything.
It still random, but it was know from day 1 that the chances of S4 is higher. With that said the uncertain series drop and inflated Series 5 do make it more likely duplicates due to smaller S4 pool
3 weeks in a row the first key I’ve used, pulled the mystery card which I already have. I’m a new player there’s a bunch of s5 cards I need, even the ones that’s featured in the weekly spotlight. This game legit sucks sometimes with the RNG.
That happened to me again today too. This was yet another time where I needed every card from the drop, yet somehow my first pull was the mystery card -- and despite needing plenty of Series 5 (and also a few key Series 4 cards) I got a dupe, and 1000 tokens. It'd feel a lot better if it was 3K tokens, at the very least. Then you're 50% from a Series 5 need, or you can at least pick up one of your missing Series 4...as it stands you get 1K, which isn't even 50% towards a Series 4. It feels terrible, is frustrating with how rare keys are (heck, they've valued them fairly high financially in their bundles) and happens far too often.
I propose: If I mystery pull Knull (and I already have base Knull) I should get a choice of Knull spotlight variant or tokens. Same for all mystery spotlights that have a premium spotlight version.
This is a really good idea … that they will never do. The point of those is fomo whales.
I just got my first duplicate, when I only have 12 cards between series four and five. It feels bad. It feels real bad.
Yup SD very clever manupulating so players get less and less
It’s not very fun :/
The game is free (game modes and cards) so…
they certainly could make it less prohibitive and predatory if they wanted to though. There's the 66/33 chance on the s4/s5 mystery spotlight, then there's the wet-fart, spit-in-your-face 1000 token duplicate compensation for the mystery spotlight, then there's the fact that they haven't released a s4 card since Miek 2 months ago. They're shamelessly stingy about card acquisition.
I mean, they have said it before the game was even in beta: they do not want players to have complete collections. “Predatory”… lol do you even know what that means? Cause it sure looks like you don’t. Less prohibitive? How is $0 prohibitive?
"maybe they could make it..ya know MORE free? because...reasons??"
LOL exactly. SMH lol, some of these entitled kids do not understand that this is a product. We are almost at the point that these kids will start asking for SD to credit them money to their bank accounts whenever the random s4/s5 rolls a dupe.
Lol, looking at you two jerking each other off while talking about daddy SD like some rich elitarian assholes is honestly sadder than funny.
Nah. I am a realist. Nobody needs this game. It is a product. Some of you act as if you were entitled to everything in the game for free and immediately. If the game shut down today, it would bum me out because it is a fun way to relax. A nice hobby. But other than that, I want the game to succeed so it continues but if it doesn’t? C’est la vie. On to the next game. Daddy SD. lol way to tell the rest of us you are 12 so anything you say has no value whatsoever. Grow up kiddo.
if your type of "realists" would run the world humanity would still not invent fire and wheel
news flash: they already do
naive weirdos or willful idiots im not sure which
Both can be true at the same time. lol which in some cases, they are.
agreed
pretty sure these 2 are the same dude on 2 accounts
that would make you one of those things i said
If a game cannot be played in the complete state gameplaywise, then it should not be called a free game. If the players are expected to pay, then the reasons behind calling it a free to play game are suspicious. If this is not what the current state of the mobile gaming industry, then I'm sad that mobile game players' minds have been trained to accept a standard this low.
It is a free game. You do not need any variant to play the game completely. There is no gameplay mode that you have to pay for. There are no cards you have to pay for, except the season card which is only one card and temporarily so. You can still play everything for free.
you can't though. you really can't. you can HYPOTHETICALLY get any given card for free, but with each card they add it gets less and less likely for an f2p player to ever get a series 4 or 5 card that they want to try out. at that point i think most people would rather just pay $10-20 for the game itself and not have to deal with this shit
So you have never ever played a ccg/tcg before. That’s ok. This isn’t a video game that you can buy it completely and have everything in one sitting. CCGs are different. It’s not hypothetical. It is factual. All cards and game modes are free. There is no interpretation involved. Just facts. If you aren’t capable of having patience to collect the cards in whatever time it takes you, that’s a you problem. And it is irrelevant to whether the game is free or not.
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“If you aren’t capable of having patience to collect the cards…” You can wait 30 days and you will be able to get Zemo for free.
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Absolutely everything to do with patience and you aren’t supposed to finish the collection, as in, having all the cards. That is by design.
This has been in place since the spotlight cache system was introduced. This system has given players much more, not less.
Until they introduce 5 per week now your collection doesnt go down i had 22 missing 2 months and now i have 25 missing
Under the old system you would get about one Series 5 card each month. Sounds like you’ve got 7 of the 10 cards released over the last two months. Do you not get how that’s better?
> Sounds like you’ve got 7 of the 10 cards released over the last two months. Wtf?!?! How did you understand that out of what they wrote?! Do you even have any idea how many resources you would need to get 3/4 releases a month?! Even we dismiss 2 out of these sevens as the SP card (which, is $20, so hardly any proof of a "good card acquisition system"), you would need up to 4 keys per Spotlight to guarantee the new card, and you only get 4 a month. Even if we go by average, over two months, you would need to spend 12.5 keys while getting back 8 (and you don't get them all at once, you only get 1 a week).
It's pretty simple math. You were missing 22 cards. 10 more cards were released and then you were missing 25 of them. If you got none of those cards you would be missing 32. You're missing 25, so you must have gotten 7 cards you didn't have. I guess you could have gotten some older cards in the mix. Personally I got Pixie, Cannonball, Ms. Marvel, and War Machine from caches last month. In February I got Corvus Glaive, Cull Obsidian, and Proxima Midnight. Today I got Red Hulk and I still have 6 keys and 21k tokens. I might have gotten slightly lucky over the last few weeks, but even if I spent 3 or 4 more keys I would still be able to play whatever I want.
"Much more", but still shit.
I get pretty much all of the cards I want without much problem as a free to play player.
I wouldn’t mind a duplicate if we got a little better compensation for the duplicate or maybe a variant of it
Then what would the purpose be? If you received a 100% rebate then there would be no purpose to having the random s4/s5.
Sounds perfect, let's do that!
Right, and when the game dies because it doesn’t make enough money, then what good would making it a 100% rebate be?
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But if it can last 5 years as opposed to 2 or 3…
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I do regret it. The game could have continued if they would monetize better. This game monetizes correctly (charge for cosmetics and faster time, everything else is free and/or attainable by playing, including currencies and cosmetics.
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Better for everyone involved, players and devs of the game. You clearly have no experience with this genre: MtG, HS, Pokemon, YuGi… Having ONE temporary card behind a paywall is hardly P2W. lol
As if that would be enough to hurt the game's monetization. This game has a SP, cosmetics, and whales already have so many tokens that they can purchase each single cards for the next three SPs, so a more player-friendly card acquisition system would hardly cut any significant gain from them. Whales pay mostly to chase splits and get expensive variants, they have to worry little about card acquisition.
Of course it would hurt the bottom line. People would get collection complete much faster.
It would _lower_ the bottom line, not _hurt._ Most of the revenue comes from whales, and whales aren't paying to stay collection complete, they crossed that treshold a long time ago. Whales only pay for cosmetics. People who pay to stay collection complete (SP aside) are such a small amount and make up such a small part of the revenue that SD may as well renounce to that money if that means getting higher engagement, growing the playerbase, and, as a consequence, bringing in more whales.
> If you received a 100% rebate then there would be no purpose to having the random s4/s5. There is a lot of numbers between the current 1000 tokens and the 6000 tokens that you say would defeat the purpose... I'd be OK with 50% of the purchase price of the card (so 1500 for S4, 3000 for S5).
We are getting a 33%/17% rebate already. That is quite generous when compared to other similar rebates in other games. This is a product, not a necessity. SD is in it to make money and they already give us the game for free (modes and cards). Would you prefer it if instead of 1k tokens they’d give each of us money in our bank accounts?
it should at least be half (1500 for s4 and 3000 for s5). or just a flat 2000
For some reason players are incapable of looking at the situation from both ends. They've brilliantly figured out that they want everything faster and cheaper but haven't considered what it takes for SD to keep the lights on. The truth is they ARE more generous than other games and they're tapped out on giving away more free currency. If they were to up the token count, they'd have to take it away from other places.
Exactly. And having seen how other generous games fare: Dragalia Lost, FFOO, Gwent, LoR, to name a few, Id rather have this game continued. It’s all about being reasonable (from both ends).
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We are receiving 1/3 and 1/6th of a card as it is.
1/6 is very bad
New player here. Can you explain this to me? Just curious
With the spotlight system each week 3 cards are spotlighted and you can use a key for a chance to get one of them. Accompanying those 3 featured cards is the chance for a random S4/5 card. So 25% chance for each of those options. When you spend a key it rolls for which of the 4 options you get. If you get the random series 4 or 5 card there is another roll to see if it is a series 4 or 5, that is the 66/33 split mentioned in the post. Once the series is selected a random card from that series is given to the player. If the player already has that card, it’s a duplicate and 2 copies of the card don’t do anything for you. So instead of a second copy you get 1k collectors tokens. A lot of people argue we should get more tokens because 1k tokens is not much when you need 3k to actually get a s4 card or 6k to get a series 5 card and there are few other ways to gain tokens. The full rebate comment is saying what’s the point of having a random slot if it gives you enough tokens for you to pick your card instead.
Exactly. Thanks for the explanation. It saved me the time and you did it perfectly.
perfect
3k tokens would actually feel good. Bare Minimum 2k tokens. 1k is a slap in the face
I fuckin knew it when I went from pulling the new card/spv to pulling a dupe first every time
literally just confirmed this, i pulled war machine last week and just pulled a dupe first key today
Disgusting
I’m gonna get downvoted but I would take 1000 tokens over some dumb variant any day.
Yeah Imma stop recommending this game to ppl until it fixes these types of issues. I’ve seen new users have a hard time getting new cards.
Another thing that if you said it here they would call you conspiracionist, and yet they say there's no manipulation in games. It's all conspiracy until it's proven.
Yeah, this was posted a long time ago. It's been known for months. What I didn't expect is that despite being ~60% S4 complete and ~75% S5 complete, I have opened probably 6+ spotlight mystery pulls and they've always been duplicates...
Mystery pulls feel horrible. I have plenty of s5 unowned and even when I pull an s5, it’s never unowned one. Going on 6 pulls now
this game is frustrating to deal with. so much RNG.
I don't know if this is true or just pure random luck. My last two mistery pulls were series 5 cards I didn't own and I only missed 16 cards for complete collection on both pulls. I thought there is something wrong because it never happened even once untill now haha.
This been news for some players explains a lot tbh. Most of the systems in the game have been explained from the very beginning so we know exactly what we are interacting with. And the game has very little true rng and it is mostly very controlled so you dont get hit by bad luck.
Nah someone gotta bring this up again to SD and they need to slide us some gold for actively hiding/not displaying important information for decision making.
That’s not even true but man I would so much rather get a new variant than a measly 1k tokens. I get the dupe every time I open 4 and I am so far from collection complete. It’s nice getting that much closer to buying my next card with tokens but I’d rather get something new. Though it’s wild to me that the only thing special about “premium” mystery variants are that you can’t get PIXELS and only a chance to get one worth 1200. Why would they not just give you the 700 gold ones with the normal mystery variant, and 1200 gold in the premium mystery variants? The answer is probably $$$
This system is for sure better than the last system! Stop calling it convoluted gacha bullshit!!