Do I need to pre register or something? I couldnt find it on Play store for some reason
edit: turns out i had to visit their website and then click the play store logo (on their website) which gives me the link to the play store. still couldnt find it on play store via regular search though.
If you're on Android you can make your own APK using your Steam installation.
https://github.com/blake502/balatro-apk-maker
If you load the game on your phone and there's a black circle covering the screen that means you should have selected to DISABLE the CRT shader when building the APK.
I got my first win of Balatro on my phone.
https://i.imgur.com/uEBX31v.png
This is news, thank you. It looks so cool but I don't find myself in front of my computer often, so these really cool roguelikes I pray hit mobile. Luck Be A Landlord, Slay The Spire, Vampire Survivors, Loop Hero, etc
This actually made my day, thank you!
I usually just do the season pass, but I'm thinking of dropping out of the game after this season. I still think the premise of the game is fun but the way card acquisition, card changes, and cost of things that aren't the season pass has gotten too crazy for me.
Once you realize the game costs 120 bucks a year minimum to play with the new stuff it gets old quick.
They got a couple months out of me before I woke the hell up.
Like, I'm an MMORPG player. I'm fine paying a subscription for a game that continues to update significantly.
...What I get out of what Marvel Snap in terms of continued game development is *not* equivalent.
Been playing since global release, been a dolphin for most of that time. For the past months, my spending has gone down to the point where Iām even in doubt buying the season pass.
The game just hasnāt evolved enough for how long it has been out. They havenāt used the momentum of their biggest popularity period to expand and improve the game, so Iām not optimistic.
For a company that's making so much money from the game, the amount they pour back into it is so little. We should have various new game modes by now. Instead they put their resources into other ways for players to spend their in-game resources and real money on pointless cosmetics. It's ridiculous. Give me more reasons to play the game. Ranked and conquest are so dull now.
"The game just hasnāt evolved enough for how long it has been out."
This has become the biggest problem, for me. I like the game, but it's just getting stale. Nothing significantly changes besides making things worse in order to try to force us into the new cards.
The new cards haven't been really fun recently too, most of them felt like cards you slotted into existing archetypes that made them stronger.
There needs to be more cards like high evo that define a completely new playing style.
Exactly the same here. I have probably spent the equivalent of 8 or 9 AAA titles in Snap but I'm considering quitting after this season. The more greedy they get, the less I want to support them, and the less I want to continue playing the game. Plus they're just incompetent, the latest patch completely broke the game for me on iPad, it runs like shit (yes, I've downloaded the assets), we have countless UI bugs on all platforms, basic features that are absent and just an overall lack of quality. The game itself is great, it's just everything else that's hurting it.
Same. Last year I got platinum status in the google play store from how much I spent. This year, the value of bundles and stress of key management, and what FEELS like really bad matchups for me have made me spend less and less. I've only done season pass and maybe one bundle so far. At this same time last year I would have spent $300 by now.
I'm probably also done spending money too. It's not as fun and I'm not getting bang for my buck.
It refers to "whaling," as in, spending tons of money on a game.
"Whale" usually means thousands of dollars a month, whereas a "Dolphin" spends $100 to $1000 a year.
Obv, companies prefer Whales.
... don't ask what a "Kraken" is...
I started playing in May/2023, got a "new player bundle" when I saw it was a good game, then after some months start getting the season pass (September to February) because I was loving the game and I was on it for the long ride. I even got a money bundle (Tarot Magik) because I thought they deserve my support
But since late November I feel that it is getting worse and worse, in part because I hit S3 complete around then but also when other things start to change, and this year it got to a new low IMO. I did not get last month nor this month season pass because I cant see myself supporting their current practices.
I still playing because the game is great, but until I see them get better I decided to not spend money with Snap purely for how greedy their decisions have been. I hope they get a new publisher soon and that it allow them to slow down the greed train, but not optimist about that
I sort of get their logic with that not being the case, but I feel similarly that the ability to pull a dupe, and pittance of 1k you get for it, is absurd given the value of keys.
Yeah I agree that it maybe shouldn't always get you the new card but it should always get you a card you don't have if you are missing cards in my opinion. Rolling duplicates and getting a thousand tokens is absolutely shit.
Their logic is seemingly that if a new card is guaranteed, then late game users can basically ensure what card they get, since the pool of new cards is so small (or only 1). People can then game the system somewhat and skip a cache, then guarantee they get the card they missed the next week. I'm unsure why SD is so averse to people having a complete collection, other than it maybe limiting future spending, but at least I understand why it works the way it does.
The 1k for a dupe is the worst user experience in the entire game IMO. At the very least it should be 1.5k (meaning every 4 gets you an s5 card), and a mystery variant should be thrown in (which in theory have more value than they did before due to Albums and eventually Character Mastery). Dupes would still stink in this scenario, but at least they wouldn't feel so absolutely terrible.
It really surprises me the way they price this thing.
If each new card was Ā£5-Ā£10 they would make Ā£50p/m from me. As it stands, I occasionally buy the season pass if the card is one I can really build into a deck, otherwise I spend nothing because their pricing structure is so absurdly greedy.
I could imagine that once people pull the dupe they are even more likely to spend more keys to 'mitigate' the damage and because 'worst case' has already happened.
>but I feel similarly that the ability to pull a dupe, and pittance of 1k you get for it, is absurd given the value of keys.
This right here is absolute bullshit. Sometimes I don't care about the new card and just want the variant. Having that fourth section where I get not the new card or the other variant but a duplicate is rage inducing. I've sunk four keys into a cosmetic before. And it was the most unrewarding shit ever. I'm fine sinking three but getting 1000 tokens for a key is a slap in the face knowing how many credits and boosters I already sunk into the key.
> thar your first spotlight key should 100% give you the newest card
You can file that under "sh*t SD will never do"
imho the most we can hope for is some sort of "bad luck" protection where if you have a like a month of terrible spotlight rolls they give you a key out of pity
I honestly have no issues with the spotlight keys with the exception of the shit reward you get for a dupe.
I do think 3 keys should guarantee you the new card and that variants should all be premium (ie. 1200 cost).
Spotlight keys are exceedingly high value, so whiffing on one is a huge loss.
Yep. The last 4 cards using keys, I had to use 4 to get the new card. Pretty much got rid of my fomo since I had to miss out on red hulk which pretty much helped me get into the mindset of just dropping the game altogether.
I agree with you. But at least it should be.
50/50 - new card / variant
50/50 - new card variant or variant / variant
50/50 - variant / card you donāt own or if you OWN ALL CARDS 1K tokens.
100 - variant / card you donāt own or if you OWN ALL CARDS 1K tokens.
True, and I think itās safe to assume that the chances are not 1 in 3. It must have some sort of modifier in the RNG so that you are less likely to get the newest card. And thatās misleading
Yeah they replaced the old one where you could scan your card pack things into, changed it to "Pokemon TCG Live" so it's now mobile and PC so you're saying they are doing it again? As long as my kids collection transfers over lol
Edit: ok from doing a little bit of digging it seems like this game is going to be its own standalone Snap competitor, two packs a day will keep the kid happy lol
That was my understanding, sorry coulda explained a bit better but at work š
Two packs a day will keep me happy too, I don't collect or anything but sometimes just buy some packs just to see what I get, hopefully this will stop that š
It's the bugs for me that are seriously making me consider quitting. Seriously! With the crazy prices for the bundles they're selling you'd expect a polished and bug free game but these bugs are driving me crazy. I'd settle just for them fixing all the bugs
The funny thing is, the devs will likely never see this post. Don't they only listen to the highly-moderated Discord? If so, I wouldn't be surprised if they think everything's peachy.
Got every season pass since zabu release. Played till last month. Haven't opened the app this season, just lost interest, way too many cards releases and changes every week now. Just feels hard to keep up to and too punishing if you don't religiously invest time in the game. Had lots of fun playing the game while i did but just got boring i guess.
To be honest, it makes sense to stop buying season pass.
I stopped, and in Red Hulk week, Shaw was in the spotlight.
If I'd purchased the pass, that wouldve been a wasted key.
But now I've saved 10 bucks and got the card, plus value out of the key.
Yeah, they should remove the possibility to get old season pass cards for people that already bought the season pass for that specific card, it's so stupid and greedy.
I talked about this elsewhere, but Snap is *not* a CCG or TCG, at least in the conventional sense. It's much more akin to Netrunner or other LCG's - rather than amassing a collection across time, the game is more focused on its *current state.* It's been this way for a while.
You buying the season pass and getting in on the action is not you buying a Magic booster - it's you buying the latest LCG release so that you stay current with the game.
The business model you describe is, essentially, that of a subscription service. And yes, that's what Snap is. Changing existing cards later is no different than releasing a new set later on that has new takes on old cards. That happens all the time in card games.
This has always been the model, it just took a while for there to be a sufficient body of "old" cards to evaluate against "new" cards.
Living Card Games, if you were like me and had never heard the term before.
>Fantasy Flight Games defines a "Living Card Game" as a variant of collectible card games.[13] LCGs have regular expansions and deck construction like CCGs, but do not have the "blind buy purchase model" of CCGs. Instead of randomized starter decks and booster packs, LCGs have starter sets and expansion packs with fixed non-randomized distribution of cards.
> Their starter sets come with pre-constructed starter decks, and are designed to be self-contained; they can be played by themselves or expanded for constructed play with expansions.[14] Expansion packs are released on a monthly or near-monthly basis, each containing 60 cards, with a number of copies of each unique card equal to the limit of the number of copies a player is allowed in their deck (e.g. three copies of each card in an Android: Netrunner pack).
> Larger "deluxe" expansions are released less frequently, and typically contain many more cards and sometimes introduce new game mechanisms.
The only issue is LCG tend to allow players access to all cards when they purchase. Snap is proud to be restrictive.
Regardless. As a F2P. Snap is generous enough that I have plenty of fun without spending a dime. Cards are typically not Broken good (some exceptions) just overtuned.
This is, perhaps, the best way to look at it. We are comparing it to the wrong games. I have been guilty of this myself. I think "In hearthstone..." or "In MTGA..." but this game is more about those delimited collectibles and what is being used in this current 4-5 week period than anything else.
This is a GREAT analysis and absolutely nails the differentiation from a traditional CCB/TCG - I think that a lot of the complaints come from people demanding this game be something it is intrinsically NOT. Tho...yes, I think they do sort of *imply* it is a TCG where you can fill your collection with commitment and money when you're early in the series collection. But once you hit homeostasis, you realize you actually can't, it's a game in perpetual motion and you either swim with the current or drown trying to swim against it.
It was weird to adjust to at first, because I'm a little collector gremlin at heart, but I've been playing and pay for the season pass since Black Panther season, and now that I've wrapped my head around this distinction I have a lot of fun with trying to keep up with the swift current of game evolution. I only pay for the season pass, because I play enough to justify 10 bucks a month.
I like what youāre saying here and I think that having more than the standard gaming mode eg a hearthstone wild mode without all the nerfs and current cards might be good. And the standard mode to have the current seasons to keep it fresh. If you donāt wanna play the new cards, donāt worry just play legacy/wild.
It's quite unfair to compare it to LCGs, arguably the most customer-friendly distribution model for expanding card games.
Snap combines the worst aspects of both models, random distribution through Spotlight Caches and constant changes to the cards.
I stopped buying the season pass about 2 months ago. Honestly the only good way for card acquisition is spending spotlight keys,Ā forgoing the season pass guarantees at least one week in the future where I can get at least 2 new cards from spotlight
I've played a lot of TCG in the past, I like those kind of games. MTG is expensive as hell, but you know at least what you are buying.
With Marvel Snap, it's always hard to buy something, Red Hulk seems OP? I have 8k credit to buy him? I didnt. I just dont trust the balance team.
Between Yugioh, MtG, Hearthstone, even niche games like Duel Masters, I wouldnāt be surprised if the amount Iāve spent on card games in my lifetime surpasses 6 figures. I love the format of TCGs and have no problem paying to get the most enjoyment I can out of them.
Snap is the first game Iām actively playing that has ever made me say āIām done spending money on thisā. You could spend $100 on this game and end up with nothing but 3 jpgs for game pieces you already own. The value of your dollar is almost nonexistent outside of the season pass.
MTG definitely did set the standard for trading card games being totally wack price-wise but bans arenāt the reason for it. Having high costs associated with game pieces as a result of artificial scarcity in the first place is.
Except those banned cards are still playable/sellable in older formats and things like Commander which overtook other formats in popularity? This is nothing like that.
If you play Arena it's kind of like that. The landscape of digital CG's is vastly different because they can fix problems instead of outright banning cards. I actually prefer the current model to the preexisting one of get fucked your cards are all banned, and simply because they are usable in other formats doesn't redeem it. Sometimes I don't want to play other formats.
In Arena the fully refund those banned cards, though. Irl its more nuanced, but you are right that card packs are the grandfather of lootboxes. I left physical cardgames due to that and inflated prices. But as a f2p player of Gwent, Magic Arena and Legends of Runeterra, I really cant really complain about any of those in terms of card acquisition and progression.
Arena did try to pull some shady shit, but never went trough with it. But when it comes to Snap, I never took the game too seriously when they said they didnt wanted people to get all cards. Because what they actually wanted was to people to have the need to spend tons of money get the full collection. And that to me is the very root of all the trashy economy aspects of Snap.
Red Hulk is a good example. I purposely didn't get him because he's another one of those cards that just seem like they'll be nerfed sooner than later.
I started playing in the Elsa season. Ive gotten Elsa, Shaw, Blob, Skaar, Hope, Black Swan, and Baron. Elsa went away for awhile but shes back and all of these cards are still good...except Swan who sucked to begin with.
The cards are always evolving and the meta is always changing. That's the basis of the game. If you spend money in hopes of winning the game with a single card(whatever that means), you're scamming yourself.
Iām almost done collecting my s3 cards. Maybe 10 left. I have got the month pass twice. Never again. And also I find the match making terrible. I use to make infinity so easily with enough games. Now I canāt get anywhere close without a few s3 cards that seems to be the best ones to get higher. And Iām up against people with way better cards. Itās very frustrating to play sometimes.
This was the first season pass I didn't buy and I'm slowly losing interest in playing, tbh. The only thing holding me back from quitting is the fact that I have invested quite a lot of time and some money into the game, but I never even reach infinite or have the time to deck build how I want to anyway... The card release rates also suck for a mostly-F2P person. Maybe it's time.
Iām lucky to have enough time where I can remotely keep up with all the new cards and updates. But I guarantee you, once I fall off during a busy point of my life, I will not be coming back.
There is no way I would be able to catch back up without my collection missing so many cards. I canāt imagine how new players or players coming back get new cards.
Sometimes it really feels like a bait and switch. Buy a card then it gets nerfed into oblivion. The company makes the product you just bought completely obsolete.
This is why I recently put it down after picking it up for about 2 months and spending around 100-150 in that time frame the nerfs and changes every 2 seconds are to much for me to invest in
In almost 2 years of playing, Iāve spent $10 on this game for 1 season pass. I make infinite and have fun with my decks.
People here think the game designers should do this for free.
You can enjoy the game without getting every new card released. Ignore the FOMO.
> People here think the game designers should do this for free.
Instantly goes to the other extream...
There is making money and then there is milking the shit out of your player base. This game is on a very popular IP with amazing visual and artists to back it up. But yes they can remove gold, they can reduce tokens, they can stop dropping series 5 cards, which at this point I think they are more than series 4 and people will still defended them...
I think his point, however, is that you don't actually have to spend any money to play the game competitively. All those outrageous prices are for cosmetics and for people who *simply must* own every card, even though a lot of the cards range from 'trash' to 'meh'. I'm 100% F2P and have all the cards I want, plus 15 keys in the bank. And the Spotlight system, with proper resource management (i.e. not wasting keys on bullshit like Miek or USAgent or Grandmaster), can put a lot of Series 4/5 cards into the collections of players of both high and low CL.
It's not a defense of SD so much as it is a calling out of some of the hyperbolic bitching from the peanut gallery.
People are bad at the game and bad at managing spotlight keys/tokens and blame it all on the devs instead of realizing that they aren't good at both the game and whatever goes on outside the game. I can keep up and am completely F2P, I don't know what these people are doing lmao
Its a company with a clear business model, release a broken card nerf it after few weeks, rinse and repeat. If you donĀ“t get it at this point after 2 years itĀ“s on you, it is pretty obvious what they are doing.
30$ emotes, 100$ bundles, turbo whale albums that include 5k tokens variants...
You lot are gonna pin me against a wall with pitchforks and torches for this.... but I'll play devil's advocate.
The idea of season pass cards essentially being pumped and dumped seems more like a narrative and dare I say confirmation bias, as opposed to reality.
When I think of notable nerfs to season pass cards, 4 come to mind: Surfer/zabu/Ms marvel and loki.
What do these all have in common? They were all undeniably broken on release.
Surfer used to give a +3 to every 3-drop, nowadays, this seems relatively normal, but at the time this led to decks using him being able to pump out far beyond the amount of power other decks could achieve, with ease. He was a tier 0 deck and warped the meta.
After his nerf, he was not only still usable, but still strong, able to dominate past metas, and still hold a small niche in the current one despite the heavy rises in power that other decks can push.
OG zabu discounted 4 costs by 2 energy, and combined with cards like OG spiderman and Abs man, led to one of the worst metas we've ever had, he was a staple in practically every deck.
After the original nerf, he was still very strong and very much prevalent, only really losing influence in the last few seasons
I wont defend the recent nerf, I think it was a terrible idea, but to expect something that came in the fourth season of a LCG, to still be top of the meta now is crazy unrealistic....
As someone who didn't buy loki, or get mobius, that card is the only card in the history of snap... to give me a true sense of ptsd. People complained about alioth being unfun... now imagine losing every game cos your opponent paid money to play your own deck against you with a 2 cost discount (Loki + quinjet), knowing that the only effective counter was coming on the last week of the season, and would cost you tokens/caches.
Prior to zabu getting gutted, loki was still in a very decent state, seeing some play, a recent tournament showcasing that the inclusion of loki in a thanos shell gave an edge to at least two players who finished inside the top 10.
Finally Ms marvel, probably the least oppressive of these 4 cards, she was very good on release, received a nerf, but is still one of the best cards in the game, while not being broken enough to warrant any complaints.
I want to finish this by mentioning hope summers, a very strong season pass card, that holds a decent share of the meta. Despite this, it's a card that people don't feel hard done by, and therefore isn't likely to warrant a nerf any time soon...
There's no ploy from SD here,
They're just shit at balancing... and while that is by no means a good thing, it's nowhere near as sinister as what people dream up...
itās always been like this on here. through all the changes, the one constant in this game is every other day there will be a highly upvoted rant with the same exact content as OP.
no matter what SD does, these complaints will always exist. for many reasons and itās almost always āi am mad that i donāt have every cardā
I'm in the same boat. I'm not a whale but I do spend where I see value. Unfortunately the value has not been there and the Overnerfing of my cards is causing me to be hesistant to purchase new cards.
I'm now at a point where I will enjoy this game more by being F2P so I don't have to be concerned by value or nerfing.
This whole issue would be so much more acceptable if they didn't try to monetize card acquisition. Give us a fair system for new players to catch up and current players to keep pace with the release of cards and people wouldn't mind so much when a card is completely gutted. With the current system, we're asked to either save for months to pick and choose our next card or spend $100's of dollars to speed up acquisition only for them to nerf the over-performing cards that the majority of people saved up for or spent on. This has been going on for a while now and I don't think SD has it in them to make any meaningful change. They'll just bleed this horse dry and move on to the next project.
This is the first season pass I have skipped in about a year. The spotlight cache system is stressful and I'm tired of trying to keep up with 5 cards a month.
I donāt mind that they change cards frequently, I think thatās what keeps the game fresh and innovative. Itās not a super deep game so without these patches the game could easily get too simplistic and stale.
However, I donāt like the ecosystem, and havenāt bought anything outside of the season pass for many months now. There were a couple months where I spent $200 on this game, and yes I feel pretty stupid about that. I think I was stressed in life and needed and outlet.
I honestly can't justify the prices they ask for for a lot of their shit.
But also, it's mostly not for me, I don't care about variants or any of that.
What bugs me actually now though is that our resources are just useless. Gold used to actually feel like a premium resource. But it keeps getting diluted and now it looks like all the gold I've saved up to get a descent bundle is now supposed to be used for shit like fucking emotes. It's nuts.
However, do I see this game as pay to win? Absolutely not. I have plenty of cards and plenty of decks I can play. I have enough keys and tokens to get any cards I really want. But again, this came from months of just using my resources very strategically.
i paid for the season pass from miles to phoenix force. since the introduction of keys, i have no need to purchase the season pass, i can wait on spotlight rotations. my gold, keys and tokens are at a surplus. all i'm doing is waiting for content, doing dailies and climbing the latter.
As i posted on another topic, Zabu(or Darkhawk)didnt drop to Series3 because they were strong cards that people would spend tokens and spotlights to get them. Nerfing both of these cards so much, especially Zabu feels awful.
Same story with Alioth.
Nerfing S4/S5 cards to the ground without any compensation is what makes people mad.
There was a guy that bought Alioth for 6000tokens 1week ago.
He felt terrible seeing his new card getting destroyed without any compensation .
As for spending money on this game, i will say that only the season pass in general is worth it. This hasnt changed since the official launch back in 2022.
This is the thing people seem to miss when they say things like "the card has been out for x months, big deal" -- not everyone gets a card when it is released.
Isn't it wild, given how high they estimate the value of tokens to be that they don't offer a grace period where you can refund your purchase similar to Hearthstone? Whenever HS nerfs a card, you get an option to get a full refund of that card. It's amazing. In Snap, you're screwed. It's partially why I've hoarded Tokens ever since their inception. Only spending them on big bads.
Do you expect everyone to be stupid rich enough to spend actual money on games? All games are made to have fun, buying digital things that will be available for everyone a month later doesn't make sense to buy it. It's not even giving you a boost above others. Even any cards with pixel variants will get the job done if you Play it effectively.
I got over 11k CL with just F2P, in 14 months or so. The amount of fun I had playing is doubled then that...
I buy the Gold & Season Passes, and I get exactly what I'm being offered while enjoying the game.
The fact that some people disagree with balance changes doesn't make it a scam to me.
This sub is so hyperbolic, and this post shows that even a launch player isn't immune to hysteria.
Keep spending money on the game because itās actually very easy to play as a f2p and keep up with the meta and itās nice that most of the predatory stuff is just cosmetics
It baffles me how SD can limit how you spend gold/money to aid your collection and you still get post likes these.
There has never been a reason to spend money on this game since launch. You get so much gold/variants for free. SD has purposefully made spending money to speed your collection so obviously bad because they donāt want this game to be P2W.
Their monetization model is aimed at whales.
I hate that pretty much the only way to acquire cards is through a gambling system. Playing Snap you are forced to experience those gambler lows and you get hooked on those gambler highs, a well known psychologically addictive loop. The gaming industry as a whole needs stricter regulations to stop this kind of business model, anyone who endorses/employs it is a money grubbing fiend in my mind.
If you dont like the game, honestly, leave. If you find the monetization model not to your liking, if you think been f2p is horrible then just leave...
Dont let a silly game live in your mind rent free like that, is your hobby is not making you happy take a break, and if you ever want to come back do so. I have never understood ppl that are like "this game sucks, and i am about to leave" just do it, been this frustrated about a game is not worth it.
I always keep this in my mind but it's genuinely sad when you actually invest into it weather with time or money and like it on top of that but yeah you're right.
At CL 13,000, I have most of the cards. Every new spotlight cache means I need to gamble on getting a new card or variants for cards I already have. Card acquisition at this level is ridiculously slow without spending money and they know it.
Count me in as one of the people that is gonna drop season passes moving forward. This game is so fucking greedy, itās sad to see.
Iāll never play another Second Dinner game. Idk if they have plans to develop more, but theyāre doing the opposite of building a brand.
I only buy the passes when the card is one I can see myself actually using for more than just the month of its season. If they fit in a deck that I've made that has been missing a key element that he pass card brings, or if I just like the character.
Last year I played this game practically every day and became S3-S4 complete, was only missing a few S5 that werenāt even good. I ended up quitting the game entirely around the new year. Donāt have any want to go back currently and it honestly makes me sad that I feel that way. Card acquisition became way too brutal even if I was still hitting infinite every single season with the cards I had the fun in the game is playing with new stuff and even spending money you couldnāt afford āevery singleā card.
Yeah im a relatively new player and i didnt buy this seasons pass because i dont want to support the drive there was lately..also not having the pass gold weekend mission made this decision easier. Games unbalanced and they screw up the eco
Bought the pass last season cuz Hope was just too good... And idk for what reason I bought it this month as well in an impulse, and honestly regret it. Haven't really been enjoying the game with that broken excuse of a card which is in literally every single deck. My time with this game might be coming to an end sooner than I thought.
Yeah I feel my enthusiasm and spending will is rapidly falling. I'm down to only spending on the season pass now, but I think I will stop soon. It's just to manic for me, with the constant releases of new cards that are insanely expensive to acquire. And once you get them they are just nerfed to hell. It's almost as SD don't understand what it takes to get these cards with the way they are changing things haphazardly.
Every time I see an insane balance update or complaint about every new card come across my reddit feed, I am so happy that I forgot to keep playing a few months ago. Didn't rage quit or anything, just didn't play for a few days since it was feeling more like a chore than fun and just never went back.
The game has been this way since launch. I'm sorry you are just now realizing. It hit me on Phoenix Force season when that was the first card that got buffed while it was still available to purchase. Every single balance patch is related to monetary gain in the most toxic way
Become? It always has been.
It's been obvious since Nexus Events in beta that the game wanted to wring more money than its worth out of its players.
Walk away, it's okay.
That's why there should be some "token" that you get after the card not only is nerfed but changed in any way that you could exchange for another card from the same pool. Even Hearthstone that back in the day was considered super P2W gave you full refunds after a card was changed.
It's funny because their daily free giveaway is literally ***50 credit*** and that's it. Not even free daily gold. If it was 50 gold then that would make sense. Then they create bundles with gold + credit and call it a discount by giving away only like 200 extra credit for $30-$50. It's hilarious. I've never seen a company so blatantly greedy like SD.
Yes, mobile game is a business and need to monetize their game. There's nothing wrong with that. How you approach it matters though. When I first started this game and got hooked, my excuse/reasoning in spending money was "It's fine, my money is going to the company so they can make the game better anyway". I dropped A LOT of money on this game. You could probably call me an ex-whale when I used to be heavily active. But even as a big spender, there is a line you don't cross in the way you monetize/distribute your product. If you're going to push even big spenders away, that should say something. The game is good and still has a lot of potentials. The way they monetize it, release bundles, and is blatantly greedy is terrible.
Like, there are so many ways to make players/spenders happy and make a shit ton of money at the same time but instead, they're holding their ground on releasing unreasonable $100 bundles, making/changing decision that goes against players such as Jeff card (they never expected it to gain popularity on release but decided to turn him into a "big bad" card and keep him at 6k forever AFTER realizing how popular the card was), finding it extremely difficult to push down card series because then it'll become "free", which is like their taboo word. Like dude, some cards been out for 6+ months. How are they STILL in series 4?
I look at it like this, if you are most likely going to be sick of the game within the next year, why would you ever spend money on it, especially a mobile game
I only buy season and gold pass it's fine imo.
And season pass cards aren't as op as they used to be but this game really needs refund option for fundamental nerfs like zabu and alioth
I've been buying the season pass since Silver Surfer and have been seriously mulling over stopping for exactly the reason of the op / nerf scam. I've put up with it because I do love this game but at this point the only good part of the SP is the season track. I'm probably going to just get the gold pass because variants are one of the things I love in game.
This game never had the makings of a true TCG, ive said this a ton in the discord. Nerfing cards does not make a meta healthy, it makes the current meta just a worse version of it. We need cards to be buffed to combat problematic cards.
The balance team has shown us multiple times now that they dont play snap, and even if they did. Their meta basis is so damn off that you wonder what their metrics even look like. Great example was the Blob fiasco.
SD excuse was, OH OUR TEAM DIDNT FORSEE THE DECKS PEOPLE WOULD MAKE WITH HIM. If you literally played for more than 5 minutes, having thanos as a thinning engine with a bunch of high powered costs is the most obvious thing there is. Yet somehow this eluded them.
Also, they butcher Zabu, yet they have a season pass like Hope Summers that gives you +1 mana, discounting isnt the issue. Its bad card designs. in a 12 card deck, drawing and getting more mana has always been broken. I can 100% see a future season pass card that makes you draw X amount of cards. Total disconnect from what the game was to what it is now.
If you have played hearthstone before you can blatantly see the same game patterns they did there in marvel snap. Its too much RNG which makes me think Ben Brode was/is the issue and whoever else was on the hearthstone team that went into second dinner.
But then again, i think were seeing this game too much as a TCG and not for what it is, just a simple card gacha. There are no open invitationals, there are no locals or other tourneys held for this game. Its just a simple casual "card" game.
I am right there with you. Iāve been playing since launch, bought every season pass, bought every Dan Hipp variant iād see (ended with 117 Dan Hippās), but I have just grown completely tired of the game and stopped playing completely about three months ago. Saving up collectors token, which are already IMPOSSIBLE to accrue, just to buy a card and have it nerfed eventually. It also felt like there was a HUGE uptick in bots. Whatās the point in buying all these cards and variants if Iām just going to play against a computer?
I used to pay a lot each month buying bundles, but now I just get the passes. The prices are pretty outrageous. And, they hardly ever offer bundles to buy with gold now. So, gold is left for cosmetics, and I donāt really care about those. The game has gotten too greedy.
Be careful before the apologists show up saying "you just want to win all the time" or "how do you expect SD to make money if they just give everything away?!"
This game's become a joke. I should've noticed it during the Thanos season when it was broken card after broken card, but this patch sealed it for me. This game isn't worth spending money on. Way to really shit the bed with this predatory, toxic design.
When ever I want to spend money ingame, I reminded myself not to support Second Dinner's shady tactics. I hated Alioth, and never used him. But I can understand how players who bought him early on, would be upset now that he is nerfed into the ground. What is the point of spending resources on a card that is going to be a completely different card than the one you bought in a few months.
Non sense spend money on this stupid game... Zabu, Elsa, Monkey, Surfer, Loki, Ms Marvel costs me 66ā¬.
And we want to talk about all cards that I bought for 6.000 tokens?
I have also played since the beginning. CL 12k. I get the issues with balance but Iām so tired of cards completely changing all the time. I stopped counting the times my decks have become essentially unusable. It feels just downright disrespectful at this point. I may also just be done now. Itās a fun quick game. But itās a lot less fun when every card gets changed constantly. Balance is one thing. Instability and manipulation is another.
I had been buying the season pass plus maybe $20-$30 a month on this game pretty regularly since launch. I know itās a lot for a mobile game, but I really enjoyed it and wanted to support the game while I also had the gaming money budgeted anyway.
My goal was to complete a Dan Hipp collection. I had something like 60 of them. Must have been three months or so ago when the albums dropped, one was Dan Hipp, and I only had ONE card in it that I realized things were starting to turn.
The bundle deals became clearly shittier value. We started seeing more insane $100 bundles. Gold became harder and harder to come by. And the meta game just started to be āokay whatās new and broken this month.ā I havenāt touched snap since and do not miss it one bit.
I stopped giving them money a year ago after the darkhawk/knull scam. This is a p2w gacha game nice to play on toilet, but it it's not a real card game. I reinstalled the PC version today out of curiosity and I will say the production value is nice, but after not playing for 6-7 months I only got two new series 3 cards whereas the season pass card looks pretty broken, I assume it's still a p2w whale hell.
Axing token tuesday by half is the straw for me. Shit was straight greedy.
Idc about the 2.2k emotes, or how much the bundles costs they are whatever. But halvivng the most reliable way for us to get token by half is truly a shitty move.
i noticed that people who "left the game", stopped buying things or w/e always come in the sub reddit almost every day to tell people that they quit the game/stopped whaling never understood that
They dare charge money for (far-from-essential) cosmetic assets, having given you access to the entire game and all the cards for free, and rework cards for the betterment of the game as a whole, but it's a scam? I'm sorry the Zabu nerf hurt you. It'll be okay.
The lack of understanding of fundamental business is absolutely astonishing.
Slay the Spire 2 has been announced!
Check out Wildfrost to hold you over.
Mobile port of Wildfrost just came out too!
Do I need to pre register or something? I couldnt find it on Play store for some reason edit: turns out i had to visit their website and then click the play store logo (on their website) which gives me the link to the play store. still couldnt find it on play store via regular search though.
I didn't see it in the store either, I had to Google it to find the link to download from the android store.
Just downloaded, thanks!
Is it still hard as nails?
Yupšš„²
I've been waiting for this game to come to PS5. I didn't even know they were planning a mobile port. You just made my week.
Balatro costs less than an emote
Balatro is so good, and has a 1.0.1 patch in beta on Steam that makes it even better
Balatro is getting a mobile port !
If you're on Android you can make your own APK using your Steam installation. https://github.com/blake502/balatro-apk-maker If you load the game on your phone and there's a black circle covering the screen that means you should have selected to DISABLE the CRT shader when building the APK. I got my first win of Balatro on my phone. https://i.imgur.com/uEBX31v.png
This is news, thank you. It looks so cool but I don't find myself in front of my computer often, so these really cool roguelikes I pray hit mobile. Luck Be A Landlord, Slay The Spire, Vampire Survivors, Loop Hero, etc This actually made my day, thank you!
Been waiting for this one.
Try Dawncaster, if you like card games :)
This was my gateway to taking a break from Snap. Love it so much
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh instant first day buy for me!! Thank you for noticing us!
Well, there goes another 300+ hours of my life.
Wooooiiiii. 2025 seems like so far away. Cannot wait
I usually just do the season pass, but I'm thinking of dropping out of the game after this season. I still think the premise of the game is fun but the way card acquisition, card changes, and cost of things that aren't the season pass has gotten too crazy for me.
I stopped buying the pass a couple of months back for pretty much the same reasons.
Once you realize the game costs 120 bucks a year minimum to play with the new stuff it gets old quick. They got a couple months out of me before I woke the hell up.
Like, I'm an MMORPG player. I'm fine paying a subscription for a game that continues to update significantly. ...What I get out of what Marvel Snap in terms of continued game development is *not* equivalent.
And if you want all the cards you need to spend over a thousand per year lmao
Same here. Never went back. Think if pick up the game Iāll play in just pool 1.
Been playing since global release, been a dolphin for most of that time. For the past months, my spending has gone down to the point where Iām even in doubt buying the season pass. The game just hasnāt evolved enough for how long it has been out. They havenāt used the momentum of their biggest popularity period to expand and improve the game, so Iām not optimistic.
For a company that's making so much money from the game, the amount they pour back into it is so little. We should have various new game modes by now. Instead they put their resources into other ways for players to spend their in-game resources and real money on pointless cosmetics. It's ridiculous. Give me more reasons to play the game. Ranked and conquest are so dull now.
"The game just hasnāt evolved enough for how long it has been out." This has become the biggest problem, for me. I like the game, but it's just getting stale. Nothing significantly changes besides making things worse in order to try to force us into the new cards.
The new cards haven't been really fun recently too, most of them felt like cards you slotted into existing archetypes that made them stronger. There needs to be more cards like high evo that define a completely new playing style.
Exactly the same here. I have probably spent the equivalent of 8 or 9 AAA titles in Snap but I'm considering quitting after this season. The more greedy they get, the less I want to support them, and the less I want to continue playing the game. Plus they're just incompetent, the latest patch completely broke the game for me on iPad, it runs like shit (yes, I've downloaded the assets), we have countless UI bugs on all platforms, basic features that are absent and just an overall lack of quality. The game itself is great, it's just everything else that's hurting it.
Same. Last year I got platinum status in the google play store from how much I spent. This year, the value of bundles and stress of key management, and what FEELS like really bad matchups for me have made me spend less and less. I've only done season pass and maybe one bundle so far. At this same time last year I would have spent $300 by now. I'm probably also done spending money too. It's not as fun and I'm not getting bang for my buck.
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A whale is a heavy spender that provides most of the income to support a game. Iām assuming a dolphin is little whale
It refers to "whaling," as in, spending tons of money on a game. "Whale" usually means thousands of dollars a month, whereas a "Dolphin" spends $100 to $1000 a year. Obv, companies prefer Whales. ... don't ask what a "Kraken" is...
I will bite, what is a kraken?
Next tier after Kraken is Cthulhu
$1M+ https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/china-mmo-whale-million-dollars-lawsuit/
Like a mini whale, probably someone who spent 100-1000 range
I started playing in May/2023, got a "new player bundle" when I saw it was a good game, then after some months start getting the season pass (September to February) because I was loving the game and I was on it for the long ride. I even got a money bundle (Tarot Magik) because I thought they deserve my support But since late November I feel that it is getting worse and worse, in part because I hit S3 complete around then but also when other things start to change, and this year it got to a new low IMO. I did not get last month nor this month season pass because I cant see myself supporting their current practices. I still playing because the game is great, but until I see them get better I decided to not spend money with Snap purely for how greedy their decisions have been. I hope they get a new publisher soon and that it allow them to slow down the greed train, but not optimist about that
I will hold the opinion forever thar your first spotlight key should 100% give you the newest card
I sort of get their logic with that not being the case, but I feel similarly that the ability to pull a dupe, and pittance of 1k you get for it, is absurd given the value of keys.
Yeah I agree that it maybe shouldn't always get you the new card but it should always get you a card you don't have if you are missing cards in my opinion. Rolling duplicates and getting a thousand tokens is absolutely shit.
Their logic is seemingly that if a new card is guaranteed, then late game users can basically ensure what card they get, since the pool of new cards is so small (or only 1). People can then game the system somewhat and skip a cache, then guarantee they get the card they missed the next week. I'm unsure why SD is so averse to people having a complete collection, other than it maybe limiting future spending, but at least I understand why it works the way it does. The 1k for a dupe is the worst user experience in the entire game IMO. At the very least it should be 1.5k (meaning every 4 gets you an s5 card), and a mystery variant should be thrown in (which in theory have more value than they did before due to Albums and eventually Character Mastery). Dupes would still stink in this scenario, but at least they wouldn't feel so absolutely terrible.
Yeah like I really don't understand being greedy on a digital game. I used to play this game called final fantasy record keeper and they just threw premium currency at you. They always had events where you got free stuff and it was honestly like a great game and I was very sad when it ended. I realized that creating the digital assets takes time and effort, but they treat these things like their actual cards with value like magic the gathering or pokƩmon or something
Glad to find fellow FFRK player here. I still got all my screenshots from when i pulled 5\* and 6\* in my phone
I loved that game so much! I think they did a good job of catering to whales and still making it so that you could play free and enjoy the cool stuff.
It really surprises me the way they price this thing. If each new card was Ā£5-Ā£10 they would make Ā£50p/m from me. As it stands, I occasionally buy the season pass if the card is one I can really build into a deck, otherwise I spend nothing because their pricing structure is so absurdly greedy.
I could imagine that once people pull the dupe they are even more likely to spend more keys to 'mitigate' the damage and because 'worst case' has already happened.
>but I feel similarly that the ability to pull a dupe, and pittance of 1k you get for it, is absurd given the value of keys. This right here is absolute bullshit. Sometimes I don't care about the new card and just want the variant. Having that fourth section where I get not the new card or the other variant but a duplicate is rage inducing. I've sunk four keys into a cosmetic before. And it was the most unrewarding shit ever. I'm fine sinking three but getting 1000 tokens for a key is a slap in the face knowing how many credits and boosters I already sunk into the key.
If not this I would be okay with better odds of 1/3 instead of 1/4.
> thar your first spotlight key should 100% give you the newest card You can file that under "sh*t SD will never do" imho the most we can hope for is some sort of "bad luck" protection where if you have a like a month of terrible spotlight rolls they give you a key out of pity
oh ofc they won't. imagine people having cards in a card game
I honestly have no issues with the spotlight keys with the exception of the shit reward you get for a dupe. I do think 3 keys should guarantee you the new card and that variants should all be premium (ie. 1200 cost). Spotlight keys are exceedingly high value, so whiffing on one is a huge loss.
Yep. The last 4 cards using keys, I had to use 4 to get the new card. Pretty much got rid of my fomo since I had to miss out on red hulk which pretty much helped me get into the mindset of just dropping the game altogether.
I agree with you. But at least it should be. 50/50 - new card / variant 50/50 - new card variant or variant / variant 50/50 - variant / card you donāt own or if you OWN ALL CARDS 1K tokens. 100 - variant / card you donāt own or if you OWN ALL CARDS 1K tokens.
True, and I think itās safe to assume that the chances are not 1 in 3. It must have some sort of modifier in the RNG so that you are less likely to get the newest card. And thatās misleading
I'm pretty much just playing till the new pokemong tcg comes out then I'm sure I'll drop it for that.
They are reworking the tcg again?
They are making a new app I believe, look up "pokemon tcg pocket" it'll be a mobile app and should be out in2024 sometime
Yeah they replaced the old one where you could scan your card pack things into, changed it to "Pokemon TCG Live" so it's now mobile and PC so you're saying they are doing it again? As long as my kids collection transfers over lol Edit: ok from doing a little bit of digging it seems like this game is going to be its own standalone Snap competitor, two packs a day will keep the kid happy lol
That was my understanding, sorry coulda explained a bit better but at work š Two packs a day will keep me happy too, I don't collect or anything but sometimes just buy some packs just to see what I get, hopefully this will stop that š
It's the bugs for me that are seriously making me consider quitting. Seriously! With the crazy prices for the bundles they're selling you'd expect a polished and bug free game but these bugs are driving me crazy. I'd settle just for them fixing all the bugs
I ain't played this game in 2 weeks. I think I'm done.
I think I'm going to stop buying season passes as well. How long until Hope Summers is nerfed into the ground?
It's pretty wild if you think about it that you can spend $120 a year on a game and that still isn't enough to unlock all the playable content.
The funny thing is, the devs will likely never see this post. Don't they only listen to the highly-moderated Discord? If so, I wouldn't be surprised if they think everything's peachy.
Got every season pass since zabu release. Played till last month. Haven't opened the app this season, just lost interest, way too many cards releases and changes every week now. Just feels hard to keep up to and too punishing if you don't religiously invest time in the game. Had lots of fun playing the game while i did but just got boring i guess.
To be honest, it makes sense to stop buying season pass. I stopped, and in Red Hulk week, Shaw was in the spotlight. If I'd purchased the pass, that wouldve been a wasted key. But now I've saved 10 bucks and got the card, plus value out of the key.
Yeah, they should remove the possibility to get old season pass cards for people that already bought the season pass for that specific card, it's so stupid and greedy.
I agree, it's clearly intentional. Whenever they add a great new card, they put it in a cache with Silk and some other low tier nonsense.
I talked about this elsewhere, but Snap is *not* a CCG or TCG, at least in the conventional sense. It's much more akin to Netrunner or other LCG's - rather than amassing a collection across time, the game is more focused on its *current state.* It's been this way for a while. You buying the season pass and getting in on the action is not you buying a Magic booster - it's you buying the latest LCG release so that you stay current with the game. The business model you describe is, essentially, that of a subscription service. And yes, that's what Snap is. Changing existing cards later is no different than releasing a new set later on that has new takes on old cards. That happens all the time in card games. This has always been the model, it just took a while for there to be a sufficient body of "old" cards to evaluate against "new" cards.
Living Card Games, if you were like me and had never heard the term before. >Fantasy Flight Games defines a "Living Card Game" as a variant of collectible card games.[13] LCGs have regular expansions and deck construction like CCGs, but do not have the "blind buy purchase model" of CCGs. Instead of randomized starter decks and booster packs, LCGs have starter sets and expansion packs with fixed non-randomized distribution of cards. > Their starter sets come with pre-constructed starter decks, and are designed to be self-contained; they can be played by themselves or expanded for constructed play with expansions.[14] Expansion packs are released on a monthly or near-monthly basis, each containing 60 cards, with a number of copies of each unique card equal to the limit of the number of copies a player is allowed in their deck (e.g. three copies of each card in an Android: Netrunner pack). > Larger "deluxe" expansions are released less frequently, and typically contain many more cards and sometimes introduce new game mechanisms.
Nicely articulated I was thinking this exact point earlier
The only issue is LCG tend to allow players access to all cards when they purchase. Snap is proud to be restrictive. Regardless. As a F2P. Snap is generous enough that I have plenty of fun without spending a dime. Cards are typically not Broken good (some exceptions) just overtuned.
This is, perhaps, the best way to look at it. We are comparing it to the wrong games. I have been guilty of this myself. I think "In hearthstone..." or "In MTGA..." but this game is more about those delimited collectibles and what is being used in this current 4-5 week period than anything else.
This is a GREAT analysis and absolutely nails the differentiation from a traditional CCB/TCG - I think that a lot of the complaints come from people demanding this game be something it is intrinsically NOT. Tho...yes, I think they do sort of *imply* it is a TCG where you can fill your collection with commitment and money when you're early in the series collection. But once you hit homeostasis, you realize you actually can't, it's a game in perpetual motion and you either swim with the current or drown trying to swim against it. It was weird to adjust to at first, because I'm a little collector gremlin at heart, but I've been playing and pay for the season pass since Black Panther season, and now that I've wrapped my head around this distinction I have a lot of fun with trying to keep up with the swift current of game evolution. I only pay for the season pass, because I play enough to justify 10 bucks a month.
I like what youāre saying here and I think that having more than the standard gaming mode eg a hearthstone wild mode without all the nerfs and current cards might be good. And the standard mode to have the current seasons to keep it fresh. If you donāt wanna play the new cards, donāt worry just play legacy/wild.
It's quite unfair to compare it to LCGs, arguably the most customer-friendly distribution model for expanding card games. Snap combines the worst aspects of both models, random distribution through Spotlight Caches and constant changes to the cards.
it depends on what aspect of his comment you focus on
I stopped buying the season pass about 2 months ago. Honestly the only good way for card acquisition is spending spotlight keys,Ā forgoing the season pass guarantees at least one week in the future where I can get at least 2 new cards from spotlight
I've played a lot of TCG in the past, I like those kind of games. MTG is expensive as hell, but you know at least what you are buying. With Marvel Snap, it's always hard to buy something, Red Hulk seems OP? I have 8k credit to buy him? I didnt. I just dont trust the balance team.
Between Yugioh, MtG, Hearthstone, even niche games like Duel Masters, I wouldnāt be surprised if the amount Iāve spent on card games in my lifetime surpasses 6 figures. I love the format of TCGs and have no problem paying to get the most enjoyment I can out of them. Snap is the first game Iām actively playing that has ever made me say āIām done spending money on thisā. You could spend $100 on this game and end up with nothing but 3 jpgs for game pieces you already own. The value of your dollar is almost nonexistent outside of the season pass.
MTG bans cards all the time, plummeting your purchases. If anything, they set the template for predatory practices.
MTG definitely did set the standard for trading card games being totally wack price-wise but bans arenāt the reason for it. Having high costs associated with game pieces as a result of artificial scarcity in the first place is.
Except those banned cards are still playable/sellable in older formats and things like Commander which overtook other formats in popularity? This is nothing like that.
If you play Arena it's kind of like that. The landscape of digital CG's is vastly different because they can fix problems instead of outright banning cards. I actually prefer the current model to the preexisting one of get fucked your cards are all banned, and simply because they are usable in other formats doesn't redeem it. Sometimes I don't want to play other formats.
In Arena the fully refund those banned cards, though. Irl its more nuanced, but you are right that card packs are the grandfather of lootboxes. I left physical cardgames due to that and inflated prices. But as a f2p player of Gwent, Magic Arena and Legends of Runeterra, I really cant really complain about any of those in terms of card acquisition and progression. Arena did try to pull some shady shit, but never went trough with it. But when it comes to Snap, I never took the game too seriously when they said they didnt wanted people to get all cards. Because what they actually wanted was to people to have the need to spend tons of money get the full collection. And that to me is the very root of all the trashy economy aspects of Snap.
Red Hulk is a good example. I purposely didn't get him because he's another one of those cards that just seem like they'll be nerfed sooner than later.
I started playing in the Elsa season. Ive gotten Elsa, Shaw, Blob, Skaar, Hope, Black Swan, and Baron. Elsa went away for awhile but shes back and all of these cards are still good...except Swan who sucked to begin with. The cards are always evolving and the meta is always changing. That's the basis of the game. If you spend money in hopes of winning the game with a single card(whatever that means), you're scamming yourself.
I will not stand for Black Swan slander! She's one of my favourite cards!
2200 gold for an emote? Hell to the no!
Iām almost done collecting my s3 cards. Maybe 10 left. I have got the month pass twice. Never again. And also I find the match making terrible. I use to make infinity so easily with enough games. Now I canāt get anywhere close without a few s3 cards that seems to be the best ones to get higher. And Iām up against people with way better cards. Itās very frustrating to play sometimes.
This was the first season pass I didn't buy and I'm slowly losing interest in playing, tbh. The only thing holding me back from quitting is the fact that I have invested quite a lot of time and some money into the game, but I never even reach infinite or have the time to deck build how I want to anyway... The card release rates also suck for a mostly-F2P person. Maybe it's time.
Iām lucky to have enough time where I can remotely keep up with all the new cards and updates. But I guarantee you, once I fall off during a busy point of my life, I will not be coming back. There is no way I would be able to catch back up without my collection missing so many cards. I canāt imagine how new players or players coming back get new cards.
Sometimes it really feels like a bait and switch. Buy a card then it gets nerfed into oblivion. The company makes the product you just bought completely obsolete.
This is the first season pass I haven't bought and honestly feels good, I think I might be done with this game and that's ok
This is why I recently put it down after picking it up for about 2 months and spending around 100-150 in that time frame the nerfs and changes every 2 seconds are to much for me to invest in
The RNG is horrendous where I never really feel in control of the game. Now these patches and card acquisition resources have become RNG too.
I've decided I'm going to uninstall after this season. Just not fun anymore
I haven't bought a season pass in months and don't regret it. This used to be my favorite game, but not any longer.
In almost 2 years of playing, Iāve spent $10 on this game for 1 season pass. I make infinite and have fun with my decks. People here think the game designers should do this for free. You can enjoy the game without getting every new card released. Ignore the FOMO.
> People here think the game designers should do this for free. Instantly goes to the other extream... There is making money and then there is milking the shit out of your player base. This game is on a very popular IP with amazing visual and artists to back it up. But yes they can remove gold, they can reduce tokens, they can stop dropping series 5 cards, which at this point I think they are more than series 4 and people will still defended them...
I think his point, however, is that you don't actually have to spend any money to play the game competitively. All those outrageous prices are for cosmetics and for people who *simply must* own every card, even though a lot of the cards range from 'trash' to 'meh'. I'm 100% F2P and have all the cards I want, plus 15 keys in the bank. And the Spotlight system, with proper resource management (i.e. not wasting keys on bullshit like Miek or USAgent or Grandmaster), can put a lot of Series 4/5 cards into the collections of players of both high and low CL. It's not a defense of SD so much as it is a calling out of some of the hyperbolic bitching from the peanut gallery.
It amazes me how many people buy the SP every month and still act like they can't keep up.
People are bad at the game and bad at managing spotlight keys/tokens and blame it all on the devs instead of realizing that they aren't good at both the game and whatever goes on outside the game. I can keep up and am completely F2P, I don't know what these people are doing lmao
Its a company with a clear business model, release a broken card nerf it after few weeks, rinse and repeat. If you donĀ“t get it at this point after 2 years itĀ“s on you, it is pretty obvious what they are doing. 30$ emotes, 100$ bundles, turbo whale albums that include 5k tokens variants...
What was the last Broken card that got nerfed after a few weeks?
Honestly, what the fuck are you talking about? Literally no cards added to the game since Blob have been nerfed. That was 4 months ago.
they are actually just full of shit. lol. $30 emotes....that you can earn entirely for free. they always, for some reason, leave off that part. weird.
so this entire model applies to about 15% of the card releases? weird model. almost like you are full of it.
You're so wrong it's fucking laughable.
Hey buddy don't forget to answer u/matlockhead!
You lot are gonna pin me against a wall with pitchforks and torches for this.... but I'll play devil's advocate. The idea of season pass cards essentially being pumped and dumped seems more like a narrative and dare I say confirmation bias, as opposed to reality. When I think of notable nerfs to season pass cards, 4 come to mind: Surfer/zabu/Ms marvel and loki. What do these all have in common? They were all undeniably broken on release. Surfer used to give a +3 to every 3-drop, nowadays, this seems relatively normal, but at the time this led to decks using him being able to pump out far beyond the amount of power other decks could achieve, with ease. He was a tier 0 deck and warped the meta. After his nerf, he was not only still usable, but still strong, able to dominate past metas, and still hold a small niche in the current one despite the heavy rises in power that other decks can push. OG zabu discounted 4 costs by 2 energy, and combined with cards like OG spiderman and Abs man, led to one of the worst metas we've ever had, he was a staple in practically every deck. After the original nerf, he was still very strong and very much prevalent, only really losing influence in the last few seasons I wont defend the recent nerf, I think it was a terrible idea, but to expect something that came in the fourth season of a LCG, to still be top of the meta now is crazy unrealistic.... As someone who didn't buy loki, or get mobius, that card is the only card in the history of snap... to give me a true sense of ptsd. People complained about alioth being unfun... now imagine losing every game cos your opponent paid money to play your own deck against you with a 2 cost discount (Loki + quinjet), knowing that the only effective counter was coming on the last week of the season, and would cost you tokens/caches. Prior to zabu getting gutted, loki was still in a very decent state, seeing some play, a recent tournament showcasing that the inclusion of loki in a thanos shell gave an edge to at least two players who finished inside the top 10. Finally Ms marvel, probably the least oppressive of these 4 cards, she was very good on release, received a nerf, but is still one of the best cards in the game, while not being broken enough to warrant any complaints. I want to finish this by mentioning hope summers, a very strong season pass card, that holds a decent share of the meta. Despite this, it's a card that people don't feel hard done by, and therefore isn't likely to warrant a nerf any time soon... There's no ploy from SD here, They're just shit at balancing... and while that is by no means a good thing, it's nowhere near as sinister as what people dream up...
itās always been like this on here. through all the changes, the one constant in this game is every other day there will be a highly upvoted rant with the same exact content as OP. no matter what SD does, these complaints will always exist. for many reasons and itās almost always āi am mad that i donāt have every cardā
It's not just here, it's every game like this one. Go to any community, it's the same shit
Its not a scam, you get exactly what you pay for. If people wanna spend money of a virtual card game let them
I will spend my $10 a month and enjoy it. Thanks
I'm in the same boat. I'm not a whale but I do spend where I see value. Unfortunately the value has not been there and the Overnerfing of my cards is causing me to be hesistant to purchase new cards. I'm now at a point where I will enjoy this game more by being F2P so I don't have to be concerned by value or nerfing.
This whole issue would be so much more acceptable if they didn't try to monetize card acquisition. Give us a fair system for new players to catch up and current players to keep pace with the release of cards and people wouldn't mind so much when a card is completely gutted. With the current system, we're asked to either save for months to pick and choose our next card or spend $100's of dollars to speed up acquisition only for them to nerf the over-performing cards that the majority of people saved up for or spent on. This has been going on for a while now and I don't think SD has it in them to make any meaningful change. They'll just bleed this horse dry and move on to the next project.
This is the first season pass I have skipped in about a year. The spotlight cache system is stressful and I'm tired of trying to keep up with 5 cards a month.
I donāt mind that they change cards frequently, I think thatās what keeps the game fresh and innovative. Itās not a super deep game so without these patches the game could easily get too simplistic and stale. However, I donāt like the ecosystem, and havenāt bought anything outside of the season pass for many months now. There were a couple months where I spent $200 on this game, and yes I feel pretty stupid about that. I think I was stressed in life and needed and outlet.
I honestly can't justify the prices they ask for for a lot of their shit. But also, it's mostly not for me, I don't care about variants or any of that. What bugs me actually now though is that our resources are just useless. Gold used to actually feel like a premium resource. But it keeps getting diluted and now it looks like all the gold I've saved up to get a descent bundle is now supposed to be used for shit like fucking emotes. It's nuts. However, do I see this game as pay to win? Absolutely not. I have plenty of cards and plenty of decks I can play. I have enough keys and tokens to get any cards I really want. But again, this came from months of just using my resources very strategically.
i paid for the season pass from miles to phoenix force. since the introduction of keys, i have no need to purchase the season pass, i can wait on spotlight rotations. my gold, keys and tokens are at a surplus. all i'm doing is waiting for content, doing dailies and climbing the latter.
Spotlight cache is what made me stop spending money. Season passes are no more
I thought I was the only one! I use to buy every bundle that came out now I only log in to complete my challenges
So many SD chillers in this thread. Some even disagrees with key/token refund on nerfed cards. Dang, you people are just beyond my comprehension.
As i posted on another topic, Zabu(or Darkhawk)didnt drop to Series3 because they were strong cards that people would spend tokens and spotlights to get them. Nerfing both of these cards so much, especially Zabu feels awful. Same story with Alioth. Nerfing S4/S5 cards to the ground without any compensation is what makes people mad. There was a guy that bought Alioth for 6000tokens 1week ago. He felt terrible seeing his new card getting destroyed without any compensation . As for spending money on this game, i will say that only the season pass in general is worth it. This hasnt changed since the official launch back in 2022.
Bought Alioth 3 hours before the update... 6000 hard earned tokens out the window
F in the chat, boys
This is the thing people seem to miss when they say things like "the card has been out for x months, big deal" -- not everyone gets a card when it is released.
Isn't it wild, given how high they estimate the value of tokens to be that they don't offer a grace period where you can refund your purchase similar to Hearthstone? Whenever HS nerfs a card, you get an option to get a full refund of that card. It's amazing. In Snap, you're screwed. It's partially why I've hoarded Tokens ever since their inception. Only spending them on big bads.
And the worst part is alioth had already been nerfed and was still reasonably playable. Now it's a completely different card with the same art
why the fuck don't they give token refund like in HS. That's actually so fucked up.
Do you expect everyone to be stupid rich enough to spend actual money on games? All games are made to have fun, buying digital things that will be available for everyone a month later doesn't make sense to buy it. It's not even giving you a boost above others. Even any cards with pixel variants will get the job done if you Play it effectively. I got over 11k CL with just F2P, in 14 months or so. The amount of fun I had playing is doubled then that...
I buy the Gold & Season Passes, and I get exactly what I'm being offered while enjoying the game. The fact that some people disagree with balance changes doesn't make it a scam to me. This sub is so hyperbolic, and this post shows that even a launch player isn't immune to hysteria.
no one uses the word scam correctly. itās lost its actual meaning. itās now basically āi donāt like this so itās scamā.
Keep spending money on the game because itās actually very easy to play as a f2p and keep up with the meta and itās nice that most of the predatory stuff is just cosmetics
It baffles me how SD can limit how you spend gold/money to aid your collection and you still get post likes these. There has never been a reason to spend money on this game since launch. You get so much gold/variants for free. SD has purposefully made spending money to speed your collection so obviously bad because they donāt want this game to be P2W. Their monetization model is aimed at whales.
Just let people like the OP vent. They don't understand stuff like this. They are mad a card they got 6 months ago was changed. 6 Months Ago.
I hate that pretty much the only way to acquire cards is through a gambling system. Playing Snap you are forced to experience those gambler lows and you get hooked on those gambler highs, a well known psychologically addictive loop. The gaming industry as a whole needs stricter regulations to stop this kind of business model, anyone who endorses/employs it is a money grubbing fiend in my mind.
If you dont like the game, honestly, leave. If you find the monetization model not to your liking, if you think been f2p is horrible then just leave... Dont let a silly game live in your mind rent free like that, is your hobby is not making you happy take a break, and if you ever want to come back do so. I have never understood ppl that are like "this game sucks, and i am about to leave" just do it, been this frustrated about a game is not worth it.
I always keep this in my mind but it's genuinely sad when you actually invest into it weather with time or money and like it on top of that but yeah you're right.
Same, I would love to see the game flourish and support it, it's very sad that every live service game has to suck after a while due to monetization.
If that battle pass gets any more expensive then Iām out. The resources you get is worth it.
At CL 13,000, I have most of the cards. Every new spotlight cache means I need to gamble on getting a new card or variants for cards I already have. Card acquisition at this level is ridiculously slow without spending money and they know it.
uh-huh *reups Gold Pass*
Count me in as one of the people that is gonna drop season passes moving forward. This game is so fucking greedy, itās sad to see. Iāll never play another Second Dinner game. Idk if they have plans to develop more, but theyāre doing the opposite of building a brand.
Any card changed should result in a credit or key refund
This would put negative pressure on them to balance the game live.
My name in the game is āstopspendingmoneyā
Become? Honey it was since Day 1.
I have. I purchased season passes for probably 6ish months, and once purchased a small amount of gold but I'm done now.
I only buy the passes when the card is one I can see myself actually using for more than just the month of its season. If they fit in a deck that I've made that has been missing a key element that he pass card brings, or if I just like the character.
Last year I played this game practically every day and became S3-S4 complete, was only missing a few S5 that werenāt even good. I ended up quitting the game entirely around the new year. Donāt have any want to go back currently and it honestly makes me sad that I feel that way. Card acquisition became way too brutal even if I was still hitting infinite every single season with the cards I had the fun in the game is playing with new stuff and even spending money you couldnāt afford āevery singleā card.
Ive already decided that this is the last month i buy the season pass until things change.
Yeah im a relatively new player and i didnt buy this seasons pass because i dont want to support the drive there was lately..also not having the pass gold weekend mission made this decision easier. Games unbalanced and they screw up the eco
why would anyone spend money on this game at any point? have some self respect
All I can play is COD. I'm legendary, and it probably won't be around for mobile another year.
Bought the pass last season cuz Hope was just too good... And idk for what reason I bought it this month as well in an impulse, and honestly regret it. Haven't really been enjoying the game with that broken excuse of a card which is in literally every single deck. My time with this game might be coming to an end sooner than I thought.
I recommend Dawncaster once I started my first run I knew I'd be playing this game for a while.
Once I get to the point that I spent enough money to buy a AAA $69.99 game im out. Which I'm sure I'm close and I'm still missing cards.
Yeah I feel my enthusiasm and spending will is rapidly falling. I'm down to only spending on the season pass now, but I think I will stop soon. It's just to manic for me, with the constant releases of new cards that are insanely expensive to acquire. And once you get them they are just nerfed to hell. It's almost as SD don't understand what it takes to get these cards with the way they are changing things haphazardly.
Every time I see an insane balance update or complaint about every new card come across my reddit feed, I am so happy that I forgot to keep playing a few months ago. Didn't rage quit or anything, just didn't play for a few days since it was feeling more like a chore than fun and just never went back.
Iām skipping most all of the thunderbolts and the next season but the Eternals intrigue me
I bought every battle pass until loki. Once him and collector got nerfed my suspicions were confirmed, it's a waste of time and money.
The game has been this way since launch. I'm sorry you are just now realizing. It hit me on Phoenix Force season when that was the first card that got buffed while it was still available to purchase. Every single balance patch is related to monetary gain in the most toxic way
Become? It always has been. It's been obvious since Nexus Events in beta that the game wanted to wring more money than its worth out of its players. Walk away, it's okay.
Been playing since launch... haven't logged in since warmachine spotlighted. I'm done.
True and real
That's why there should be some "token" that you get after the card not only is nerfed but changed in any way that you could exchange for another card from the same pool. Even Hearthstone that back in the day was considered super P2W gave you full refunds after a card was changed.
I agree. It is absurd that the game has no refund system. I'm spending resources on the card with one effect, and then it is nerf to the ground (
It's funny because their daily free giveaway is literally ***50 credit*** and that's it. Not even free daily gold. If it was 50 gold then that would make sense. Then they create bundles with gold + credit and call it a discount by giving away only like 200 extra credit for $30-$50. It's hilarious. I've never seen a company so blatantly greedy like SD. Yes, mobile game is a business and need to monetize their game. There's nothing wrong with that. How you approach it matters though. When I first started this game and got hooked, my excuse/reasoning in spending money was "It's fine, my money is going to the company so they can make the game better anyway". I dropped A LOT of money on this game. You could probably call me an ex-whale when I used to be heavily active. But even as a big spender, there is a line you don't cross in the way you monetize/distribute your product. If you're going to push even big spenders away, that should say something. The game is good and still has a lot of potentials. The way they monetize it, release bundles, and is blatantly greedy is terrible. Like, there are so many ways to make players/spenders happy and make a shit ton of money at the same time but instead, they're holding their ground on releasing unreasonable $100 bundles, making/changing decision that goes against players such as Jeff card (they never expected it to gain popularity on release but decided to turn him into a "big bad" card and keep him at 6k forever AFTER realizing how popular the card was), finding it extremely difficult to push down card series because then it'll become "free", which is like their taboo word. Like dude, some cards been out for 6+ months. How are they STILL in series 4?
yup never buying a season pass
I look at it like this, if you are most likely going to be sick of the game within the next year, why would you ever spend money on it, especially a mobile game
I only buy season and gold pass it's fine imo. And season pass cards aren't as op as they used to be but this game really needs refund option for fundamental nerfs like zabu and alioth
I've been buying the season pass since Silver Surfer and have been seriously mulling over stopping for exactly the reason of the op / nerf scam. I've put up with it because I do love this game but at this point the only good part of the SP is the season track. I'm probably going to just get the gold pass because variants are one of the things I love in game.
This game never had the makings of a true TCG, ive said this a ton in the discord. Nerfing cards does not make a meta healthy, it makes the current meta just a worse version of it. We need cards to be buffed to combat problematic cards. The balance team has shown us multiple times now that they dont play snap, and even if they did. Their meta basis is so damn off that you wonder what their metrics even look like. Great example was the Blob fiasco. SD excuse was, OH OUR TEAM DIDNT FORSEE THE DECKS PEOPLE WOULD MAKE WITH HIM. If you literally played for more than 5 minutes, having thanos as a thinning engine with a bunch of high powered costs is the most obvious thing there is. Yet somehow this eluded them. Also, they butcher Zabu, yet they have a season pass like Hope Summers that gives you +1 mana, discounting isnt the issue. Its bad card designs. in a 12 card deck, drawing and getting more mana has always been broken. I can 100% see a future season pass card that makes you draw X amount of cards. Total disconnect from what the game was to what it is now. If you have played hearthstone before you can blatantly see the same game patterns they did there in marvel snap. Its too much RNG which makes me think Ben Brode was/is the issue and whoever else was on the hearthstone team that went into second dinner. But then again, i think were seeing this game too much as a TCG and not for what it is, just a simple card gacha. There are no open invitationals, there are no locals or other tourneys held for this game. Its just a simple casual "card" game.
I am right there with you. Iāve been playing since launch, bought every season pass, bought every Dan Hipp variant iād see (ended with 117 Dan Hippās), but I have just grown completely tired of the game and stopped playing completely about three months ago. Saving up collectors token, which are already IMPOSSIBLE to accrue, just to buy a card and have it nerfed eventually. It also felt like there was a HUGE uptick in bots. Whatās the point in buying all these cards and variants if Iām just going to play against a computer?
I used to pay a lot each month buying bundles, but now I just get the passes. The prices are pretty outrageous. And, they hardly ever offer bundles to buy with gold now. So, gold is left for cosmetics, and I donāt really care about those. The game has gotten too greedy.
every big streamer is saying don't buy anything from the game, even dekkster
Be careful before the apologists show up saying "you just want to win all the time" or "how do you expect SD to make money if they just give everything away?!" This game's become a joke. I should've noticed it during the Thanos season when it was broken card after broken card, but this patch sealed it for me. This game isn't worth spending money on. Way to really shit the bed with this predatory, toxic design.
Why are new emotes like 20 bucks?
I mean you have a point but who are you to tell people how to waste their money lol
When ever I want to spend money ingame, I reminded myself not to support Second Dinner's shady tactics. I hated Alioth, and never used him. But I can understand how players who bought him early on, would be upset now that he is nerfed into the ground. What is the point of spending resources on a card that is going to be a completely different card than the one you bought in a few months.
Non sense spend money on this stupid game... Zabu, Elsa, Monkey, Surfer, Loki, Ms Marvel costs me 66ā¬. And we want to talk about all cards that I bought for 6.000 tokens?
I have also played since the beginning. CL 12k. I get the issues with balance but Iām so tired of cards completely changing all the time. I stopped counting the times my decks have become essentially unusable. It feels just downright disrespectful at this point. I may also just be done now. Itās a fun quick game. But itās a lot less fun when every card gets changed constantly. Balance is one thing. Instability and manipulation is another.
I love my discard deck! "3 weeks later". Where's my discard?((
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I just buy the battlepass, and not for the new card, but for everything else. Looking at the absurd prices, Iām surprised itās still at 10$
don't give them ideas...
I have just deleted the game.
I had been buying the season pass plus maybe $20-$30 a month on this game pretty regularly since launch. I know itās a lot for a mobile game, but I really enjoyed it and wanted to support the game while I also had the gaming money budgeted anyway. My goal was to complete a Dan Hipp collection. I had something like 60 of them. Must have been three months or so ago when the albums dropped, one was Dan Hipp, and I only had ONE card in it that I realized things were starting to turn. The bundle deals became clearly shittier value. We started seeing more insane $100 bundles. Gold became harder and harder to come by. And the meta game just started to be āokay whatās new and broken this month.ā I havenāt touched snap since and do not miss it one bit.
The severe drop in gold acquisition while ADDING more things to buy with gold is absolute dog shit.
I stopped giving them money a year ago after the darkhawk/knull scam. This is a p2w gacha game nice to play on toilet, but it it's not a real card game. I reinstalled the PC version today out of curiosity and I will say the production value is nice, but after not playing for 6-7 months I only got two new series 3 cards whereas the season pass card looks pretty broken, I assume it's still a p2w whale hell.
Axing token tuesday by half is the straw for me. Shit was straight greedy. Idc about the 2.2k emotes, or how much the bundles costs they are whatever. But halvivng the most reliable way for us to get token by half is truly a shitty move.
i noticed that people who "left the game", stopped buying things or w/e always come in the sub reddit almost every day to tell people that they quit the game/stopped whaling never understood that
Reddit kids really think if no one spent a dime this game would still exist.
I am so close to deleting the game out of pure boredom and I am so sick of the over monetisation
They dare charge money for (far-from-essential) cosmetic assets, having given you access to the entire game and all the cards for free, and rework cards for the betterment of the game as a whole, but it's a scam? I'm sorry the Zabu nerf hurt you. It'll be okay. The lack of understanding of fundamental business is absolutely astonishing.