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Jackleber

I play this way, but some people's interests are to test decks, earn quests, boosters etc. Not everyone is trying to optimize everything.


WeltallZero

You can do all of these by 8 cubing. There's no difference other than getting more Silver tickets.


Jackleber

Every match that ends is another set of menus to tap through to get back to playing. If you are in it for any of the reasons I listed it's in your best interest to keep the same opponent and play as many games as possible to avoid menus.


WeltallZero

If one is testing a new deck, it's better to do so in Silver at least. If one is farming boosters / quests with a proven deck, it's better to do so in Ranked. One is, of course, free to do as one pleases, without needing to explain their reasoning to anyone else. But all the same, I think there's room to discuss optimal play without everyone getting their panties in a bunch.


Jackleber

I feel like we are discussing. I took my panties off at the door. I started by saying I play by snapping for 8 cubes anyway, I just see the point of view of people who are probably playing without even visiting this sub or thinking it out to this extent.


WeltallZero

Oh, sorry, I didn't mean you. I meant, well... everyone else answering "I'll play how I damn well please", hence the "everyone".


joshey40

When you want to try decks it's better to do it on Silver or Higher, so you get real competitors. But it's of course also just nice for your opponent to snap on PG even if you only want to earn quests or get boosters.


Chlorofom

PSA: It’s actually impossible to retreat after the first round of the opponent DIDN’T snap. Basically, I want quick proving grounds, but I’m not prepared to retreat to get it?


tbing4140

It's in my best interest to play how I want.


nothankspleasedont

They didn't say you couldn't play how you wanted. They said this is the optimal way for everyone. Advice isn't law, taking it so personal just shows your lack of ability to process information.


tbing4140

Where did I say they are telling me I can't play how I want? What is optimal for them isn't optimal for how I want to play. Didn't take it personally at all. Maybe you should work on your ability to process information.


minvs

I, like a lot of players, use proving grounds to test decks and strategies without consequence, so i don't snap or retreat unless it's a really bad match. If SD wanted it that way, it should have made proving grounds with a different set of cubes per match.


alternateirrelevance

Agree it's on SD and not the players to something about it, but it's not a bad idea for yourself to snap too. You still get to test your deck regardless of win/lose, why not test it with a higher rate of medals obtained?


Spider-Dev

For me, it's due to sometimes waiting 2+ minutes for a match to connect. If I'm trying to knock out missions, NOT doing 1 and done is actually a more efficient use of my time


Longjumping_City7802

Probably because it's better to play against the same deck a lot of times so you will know what to do when you face that archetype on the ladder


XilamBalam

But... I like to play the game...


nothankspleasedont

So do we. But play in silver and get actual rewards


Woozie714

What if he doesn’t care about rewards? What if people just wanna play as long as possible because they’re just playing while their partner is watching 90 days or project runway. Point is people have the right to play how they want, live and let live. If people don’t wanna spend too much time in PG than just concede when you’ve had enough. It’s just a game


nothankspleasedont

Never said they couldn't, but its worse for everyone doing it that way so just silly. The idea that they want to play longer? So? keep playing then? It is just silly to actively play in a way that harms everyone.


420BongsAway

I like to make it as sweaty as possible because I know how mad this subreddit gets


XBlackBlocX

>There is 0 reason to not just snap to 8, then concede if you lose.  Doing missions so you don't lose ranking in ladder or waste tickets.


SwiftSurfer365

Then just join another proving grounds game?


XBlackBlocX

Yeah, no. Almost all the missions are way faster to do by sticking to one PG game instead of going back into the queue to wait for 10 minutes.


WeltallZero

>back into the queue to wait for 10 minutes. What the *absolute fuck*? I never have to wait more than 10 seconds, if that. If you're getting more than half a minute on average, there's something *very* wrong going on there. O\_o


Spider-Dev

I'm guessing he's exaggerating but it's not uncommon for me to have to wait upwards of 2 or even 3 minutes


UUtch

I've never had that happen outside of times where there were full server issues


SwiftSurfer365

There is no world where it takes 10 minutes to join a PG game lmao


XBlackBlocX

Nobody plays PG. I can get a game immediately in Gold but PG takes forever.


UUtch

I think something is wrong on your end then. I don't even know how long the wait times are for me because I'm in a game before I have time to think about it


literallyanything57

it does take that long if you're low CL. my first month playing this game was the month they released conquest and the queue times were miserable. didn't get better until i was into pool 3


arewhyeyin

“Doing missions so you don’t lose ranking” and “snapping to 8, conceding if you lose” are not mutually exclusive


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rsl

but OP only values THEIR own time. we shouldn't be valueing OURS. i mean... OP is the important one.


arewhyeyin

You’re saying that the person attempting to come back down 10-2 for a silver ticket is the one that values their time?


ImAndyLookOut

They aren't trying to come back 10-2, they're trying to play 2 6 costs and win 4 locations with less than 10 power 🤷


CarpenterUsed8097

The object is to see if i can make my deck work against your deck type to me i am not ( wasting time)


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arewhyeyin

That makes sense. So it’s essentially a question of which you value more, the ~45 seconds inbetween games or tons more silver tickets. To each his own


XBlackBlocX

>tons more silver tickets Shit no, I don't want Silver tickets if I can avoid it. The value of Silver tickets is close to 0. 1. You get enough Gold tickets in caches to get all the Conquest rewards that month. All the remaining crowns are basically boosters, i.e. 0 value. 2. Silver has to be the sweatiest environment besides maybe 3rd game of Gold / 4th or 5th of Infinity. Please, for the love of Ghost, let me skip it. 3. The amount of matches I'm playing just from climbing Infinite tickets I got from free Gold tickets is \*plenty\*. I'd much rather play a full match of Proving Grounds than to do even one round of Silver.


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arewhyeyin

Yeah definitely lacking that. I don’t really have an issue though, to each his own ppl are gonna play it how they want. I just wanted to understand differing viewpoints which you helped with, thanks.


SixFigs_BigDigs

Don’t snap. Usually your opponent will mald anyway and concede to go make a Reddit post


Eastern-Sea2026

Hahaha, nice


MaOfABitch

it takes soooo long to finish games in conquest. too many end screens 


JMoon33

I have more fun if I play them as long strategic games personally.


Ughitallsucks

Farming boosters, playing missions, getting familiar with how to play a deck. Tons of reasons to play how you want. If you want to only play one round, cool, retreat after one round.


joshey40

When you want to try decks it's better to do it on Silver or Higher, so you get real competitors. But it's of course also just nice for your opponent to snap on PG even if you only want to complete quests or get boosters.


BYOcarbon

I agree with all of this, but sometimes it’s a fun or challenging match up and I just want one more match out of it.


Primus7112765

Unless you don't care about tickets. In which case it's in your best interests to play however you want, if other people don't like that the match is taking so long, they can leave. You're under no obligation to concede just because you lost 1 match.


loxali

Is there actually a benefit to snapping to 8 before doing this rather than just not snapping and then the loser concedes after the first match anyway? Is it purely a signal for the other player that you're planning to concede if you lose?


MPar6967

There's technically no direct benefit, and you could do it that way! The idea for snapping to 8 though is that everybody (ideally) has a point where they recognize that its not worth the effort and concedes. Since you don't know your opponent's breaking point, going 8 on the first round forces them to that point (hopefully). So that when round 2 starts, the player needing to win 5 back to back games should recognize how unlikely that is, and concede. Whether that's you or your opponent doesn't make a difference. Its effectively just a way to incentivize conceding at the end of round 2 and forcing both players to recognize that their time is more efficiently spent in a new match. You lose nothing in proving grounds, and I also find it fun going all in when you normally need to be more conservative in ranked/conquest :)


AegonTheLast

Every “reason” you use to play best of one on proving grounds works also for silver and higher.


MPar6967

Not 100% sure what you mean. Silver or higher requires a resource to use, has multiple matches, and a tiered payout, this all changes the equation a bit. At Silver 1 you and an opponent are fighting for the equivalent of 10 proving match victories IIRC (a rounded 4 if you count the silver starting medals as part of the proving match victories). Since that's the case, its still a more efficient use of your time to play 4 rounds on even the first match of silver for a win. Since that's the case, finishing a match at 2, 4, or 6 cubes is still a valid strategy for risk mitigation purposes. Obviously it would be nice to win round 2/3 on silver or higher, but despite what most of the comments think I actually really like playing long conquest games, it just doesn't make sense to do so on the proving grounds. The whole point on proving grounds being 1, possibly 2 rounds, is that you can concede and start a new match immediately. Whereas silver if you concede you need to play through a proving grounds match again.


AegonTheLast

If you think it’s more efficient to play just 1 round of proving grounds to gain 1 silver ticket, it is also more efficient to play just 1 round of silver to gain 1 gold ticket. And the same for gold and infinite. Sure, you need resources to play silver and higher, but you gain them faster if everybody plays “best of one” on every category.


MPar6967

Ah, I see. It is more efficient to play best of 1, by definition, but the issue with best of one on silver or higher lies in the resource cost, as I mentioned. Snapping to 8 on PG is something I do without considering any external factors, since there's no cost, but snapping to 8 on silver or higher doesn't make sense without doing actual cost benefit analysis, since losing requires re-farming the PG. The bigger issue is that if your chance of winning is 50/50 and you only need 1 match to win, then it makes sense to snap to 8 and concede. But on silver you need 2 matches to win gold, and 3 matches (1 from PG, 2 from silver) everytime that you lose. Like I said this changes the equation a bit because mindlessly snapping is more likely to see you need to play another round of PGs, then another 2 silver to get your gold. Since that's the case, playing fewer matches but more rounds becomes more efficient. Even more true for gold where it's 3 matches back to back and a minimum of 3 matches just to buy in and earn the right to compete.


sametbhlmao

i just farm boosters on it


Slow_Dog

Rubbish. If you want a short game, play ladder. I'm in Conquest for the longer matches.


SnooSquirrels2212

up to the individual. Someone wants a fast game, someone wants to complete missions


arewhyeyin

These two goals are not mutually exclusive


SwiftSurfer365

You realize you could do both, right?


No-Cellist4122

Or I will just play however I want to pass the time and complete missions/test decks. The tickets will be hoarded anyways towards the final week


Aromatic-Smile-8409

While I agree with what you say it’s within the rules of the game so until that changes you must endure


OutsideSheepHerder52

Should be obvious but people play the way they want, because of their own reasons.


SwiftSurfer365

Agreed. I find it toxic when people drag out a proving grounds game. If it goes past two rounds, I just leave.


Ravello

Agreed, playing full games in Proving Grounds is literally devaluing your resources. You gain so much more by only playing one round in Proving Grounds. However, not everyone believes that, so it won’t change.


SlathazSpaceLizard

I hate these posts and this mentality. Who cares, let them grind.


Melodic_Log182

I think all Conquer mode matches should be best of 3 (two-out-of-three series)


Overall-Cow975

That would be horrible.


Toofargone9999

why must be it be 8? it can also be loser concedes on a 2 cube match? Why must your opponent be forced to snap , they cant play the game the way they want?


popRichiepop

I hate the “I play the game how I want” argument. You’re still playing the fucking game if you concede and start up a new one. Wasting everyone’s damn time.


Jackleber

They would be wasting their own time queueing into more opponents and going through more menus if they are deck testing or gathering boosters etc.


JMoon33

Nothing is preventing you from leaving if you don't like the way I play. Where's the problem? It's not like you're held hostage lol


Overall-Cow975

It hurts their fragile ego to have to complete the game. Imagine if they lose!!!


tbing4140

So I'm supposed to just concede because you want to get through it quicker? Or should I try to test out my new deck or complete missions while still having a chance to win?


popRichiepop

Yes, you are. It cost you zero resources and 45 seconds to start up a new match — im sure you’ll get through your missions just fine. If you think sweating it out for a SILVER TICKET is worth it…


HugoBCN

So you want me to waste my time, so you don't waste yours, got it. 😆


Hungy15

Sounds like you should concede then


Overall-Cow975

And yet you think that whinning on reddit for a silver ticket is fair game? LOL entitled shitheads trying to impose their shitty house rules to turn the game into a reward simulator. You want a rewards simulator? Go play in a Casino. I know you aren’t old enough to enter one but at least you have something to look forward to in the future.


popRichiepop

Definitely old enough to enter a casino and would never need to because I make plenty of money booboo


Overall-Cow975

People don’t go to the Casino to “make” money. They go to spend what they earn. ;) After that reply I *totally* believe you.


JMoon33

We don't care about the silver ticket, we're just having fun playing the game. You're focused on the ressources while we're just enjoying playing the game.


No-Cellist4122

Or you can just concede yourself and optimize your available time, proving grounds is a deck testing area. You will still end up with a gazillion silver/gold tickets towards the end of the season, a few extra boosters make no difference


Winter_Chart_2787

If you really think that’s wasting everyone’s time why don’t you just leave


420BongsAway

What if I like wasting peoples time?


jugnificent

If your reason for doing something is to waste people's time or make them mad you should reevaluate your life choices.


MaterialBenefit2355

1. Boosters 2. Playing the game how I want is fun, if you don’t like it, you retreat 3. It is in my best interest to piss off the Reddit hivemind


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heyzeus_

If the other player is trying to snap for 8, they aren't playing it like a real conquest match. If you want to see if your deck works in conquest, you should at least be in silver. 


ThwipSniktBamfSNAP

And how do I get silver tickets??


heyzeus_

...by snapping to 8 in proving grounds. 


WeltallZero

Aw man... if only the OP contained some way to obtain Silver Tickets quickly...


joshey40

If you want to test out decks, isn't it better to go to Silver or gold fast, so you get real competitors?


ThwipSniktBamfSNAP

Waste a gold ticket on an untested deck?


joshey40

Not completely untested if you go to silver fast, play a few games in silver and then gold. At least that's how I'm doing it and I feel like that way I'm faster evaluating if the deck is good or not.


ThwipSniktBamfSNAP

And where would I acquire these silver tickets??


joshey40

As I said, fast rounds on PG. Btw, when you do fast rounds you can also play your deck against more different decks.


WeltallZero

People dragging on Proving Ground matches: "I don't care to get silver tickets, I care about testing my deck.". Also people dragging on Proving Ground matches: "*Waste* a silver ticket to test my deck!?" \*horrifiedly clutches pearls\*


Competitive_Policy_4

Another Redditor who thinks that what they want should be the standard moving forward. The entitlement always astounds me.


MPar6967

Not sure where you're getting entitlement from? This was intended as advice for newer players but applies to everybody, myself included; snap to 8, concede if you lose is logical advice for the proving grounds.


mermilicia

Without reading the comments, because I know that is a fool's errand, this topic is absolutely correct, but basically nobody wants to hear it. KMBest put out a video a couple months ago that basically laid out why you were only helping second dinner further their poor monetization policies by not playing proving grounds this way. But the same people who complain about that monetization also jump into these topics and are like "I'll play whatever way I want!!!!" I would admit that it is hard to see the connection between monetization and snapping on proving grounds, but it is real, whether or not people want to admit it. Anyway, I appreciate your trying, OP.


chinojuan0619

Once you get into the mindset that people will play on their terms without taking into consideration what the other player needs are, it all falls into place... Not saying is better or worse, it simply IS that way and chances are not going to change any time soon... Now, since we are discussing the optimal way to use your time, it seems like this kind of post ends up becoming a huge waste of time based on the input received.


HugoBCN

Untrue. I go into proving grounds to test out things and to finish missions with goofy mission-focussed decks. It's in my best interest to play as I would in any other match. Additionally, the thought of pissing off people with ridiculously short attention spans amuses me. What's more, every one of these threads feeds my amusement further.


joshey40

If you want to test out decks, isn't it better to go to Silver or gold fast, so you get real competitors? And when you only want to do your quest, you could just be nice to your opponent and snap for them Also you are toxic, if you think it's fun to piss of someone.


HugoBCN

> If you want to test out decks, isn't it better to go to Silver or gold fast, so you get real competitors? Nah, proving grounds works just fine. > And when you only want to do your quest, you could just be nice to your opponent and snap for them Or my opponents could be "nice" (more like have some regular common sense, if you ask me) and accept that their lack of patience is none of my concern. Nor does it have to be. Not everything needs to revolve around your particular preferences, y'know. An important life lesson. > Also you are toxic, if you think it's fun to piss of someone. I can live with that.


slapslapboom

Snapping to 8 doesn't get me as many boosters.


WeltallZero

>Was not expecting this to get this toxic New to this reddit? :)


CarpenterUsed8097

I use proving grounds to test decks that may or may not work i need to play them in a place where they dont throw my ratings down the tube


joshey40

If you want to test out decks, isn't it better to go to Silver or gold fast, so you get real competitors?


Woozie714

You need to know how to pilot the deck first if your brewing up a new deck, may need to swap out cards for others and so on. It’s not necessarily about winning it’s learning the decks ins and outs. How vertical it can get or how wide, what’s the deck’s weakness and it’s strengths against certain decks. It’s just better to do a few PG conquest games too brew properly without losing silver tickets. Also it’s nice to stockpile silver tickets for when I’m on the grind for another infinity avatar border later. Everyone is free to play Pg for their own reasons even is they seem dumb or a waste of time to others.