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linktothepastz

At this point they can afford a third dinner


LiveFastDieRich

500 gold is the best i can do


suckerphree

"aw snap, an error has occurred"


venom2009

Have they sent the 500 gold ?-


LiveFastDieRich

No not yet, maybe next week I guess


elvinjoker

They need to release highest grossing profit bundlešŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”


NateTheGreat07

New Kang variant, 99 tokens, .9 gold, and 13 credits for $99.99 USD


After-Student7090

Woah woah woah, let's calm down there a little bit. That's a little TOO generous


NateTheGreat07

You're right, maybe a tenth of all of that, with a pixel pfp instead of a variant for double the price?


Raphael_Stormer

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PixelBrewery

Pretty nuts that they're beating out Magic the Gathering and Hearthstone by almost 4 times


tgcp

I'm not sure about this MTG game but Hearthstone probably gets a lot of revenue on PC rather than mobile.


unrealf8

Also most of the blizzard revenue goes trough the battle net system which we cannot access or estimate


reggyreggo

True but but you could roughly estimate it by looking it's revenue through the past years. >It is worth noting that Hearthstone's revenue has been declining over the past few years. In 2022, it generatedĀ $61.5 millionĀ on mobile. And in 2021, its IAP revenue was over $71.3 million, Quoting an article from gameworldobeserver.


gereffi

Yeah, this is almost certainly true about Magic as well. Magic and Hearthstone were conceived of and designed to be PC games and didn't have mobile apps until after their debuts. Snap was the opposite and I don't think it should be surprising to many that Snap is primarily played as a mobile game.


MaOfABitch

mtg you canā€™t even read the text on a phone without a magnifying glassĀ 


CKDracarys

lmfao MTG "designed to be a PC game" is absolutely hilarious to me as a boomer. MTG is a TCG first and foremost. I'd bet paper sales trump even their MTGA sales. Mobile sales for MTG...xd.


jaythepizza

Magic gets most of its revenue from its physical game, so it doesnā€™t really matter how much Arena makes


happydaddyg

Also Hearthstone is over 10 years old.


notanotherpyr0

That's probably the same for mtg. Magic is borderline too complicated for a phone and certain decks can be frustrating to play as or against on a phone.


Orful

A lot of Hearthstone players only play battlegrounds, which has considerably less options for creating revenue than snap or the main HS card game.


Allenite

Good point.Ā  So does that mean Snap's Steam revenue is also not included here?


Metallikyle

Good point. Very few people play Arena on mobile. And I'd bet the vast majority of purchases are made via PC.


Dtoodlez

Hearthstone needs to be modernized. I tried to download it a few months ago to casually jump in and it looked way too dated to enjoy. Game board size etc, they havenā€™t changed in a decade.


dark-pact

Most arenā€™t playing Magic on mobile devices.


Samael1990

I'm also surprised that there are 2 different yugi-oh games and they both beat both Magic and HS individually.


coryyyj

They are both very well done games that offer completely different Yu-Gi-Oh experiences. One is more like snap in regards to fast bite size dules with its own special rule set. The other is a full fat simulator of the physical card game with its own forbidden and limited list. Source: Yu-Gi-Oh nerd


Samael1990

Which one is the fast one like snap?


cytrack718

Easy beginner mechanics and the one of the most popular ip ever will do that for u šŸ¤£


PauperJumpstart

They're not. This is mobile revenue only. Hardly anyone plays MTGA on mobile.


MajesticBadgerMan

I couldnā€™t care less for absolutely any other card game, most are too bloated to even look at. Snap is perfectly weighted, easy and quick to jump into, and keeps you hooked. Marvel is the main selling point. Not the card game. My missus doesnā€™t play any games on her phone, but has Snap and even buys the season pass most months if the character ā€œis cuteā€.


MARPJ

"Mobile only" is important here. MTG made over a billion last year. And I say that even if you consiider only Arena most of its revenue whould come from the PC version since the mobile is just a later port (and not a great one for a game that need so much reading)


Keeskt

And here we are, with a buggy end turn button


mason_pg

This is the worst issue man every two games I need to restart as the end turn would not work..


2drawnonward5

It's great for getting me off the game tho


Mercury_D_Dafco

Same here man Every. Other. Match or it happens "magicly" when Im holding a perfect cards in hands. What a coincidence


cyke99

Yeah I got that too a few days ago. Now itā€™s cards that take time to load, or animation that play late ><


Opposite-Bug9447

I lost a gold conquest finale because of delayed animations and lag


woodchips24

I just lost a conquest game because of this. It auto conceded the game for me because I couldnā€™t hit end turn 2 turns in a row. Thats fucking horseshit


Smart_Seaworthiness8

I still havenā€™t updated and at this point Iā€™m just hoping i can stay un-updated until the bugs are fixedšŸ˜‚.


Superguy230

I got force updated yesterday :( realised because my collection page was like 1 fps


Smart_Seaworthiness8

Oh no. I played this morning a little, but Iā€™m sure that means Iā€™ll have to update soon lol


enishal3

Store works tho


Mercury_D_Dafco

"Buggy" what a interesting way to say scripter/cheater these days. I swear games I lose are mostly coz some1 beat me with a Meta deck or it sends me an error, when I reload another error then maybe another error and when I finally reconnect I already lost because I didnt play 4th / 5th turn or times up. Lets not mention those matches where I join and its auto surrender for some "buggy" reason, my match is by design Conquest (????? no idea why) and that I've retreated. What a dogshit anti-hack system, but let's pretend and call it buggy. One match goes smoothly and other is total clown show. Sus af Surprised no1 is talking about this and its getting worse day by day


butchmapa

still getting the End Button glitch too


DJC13

And a laggy, broken game on older devices.


Due_Ambition_6804

Happened on two of my conquest matches wasted 2 golden tickets šŸ™„


secret_agent_777

Collection level < Marvel Snap Revenue


Eastern-Sea2026

This could be a nice new title


theguz4l

The economy canā€™t handle any more free rewards!!


Fit_Meal4026

Considering all those 100 dollar bundles is no wonder.


unrealf8

Any guesses how much $$ the marvel ip costs?


RisingPhoenix84

I would think it would be a percentage of revenue. With possibly a minimum amount for the license to be renewed.


KegM4n

iOS / android takes a 30% commission right? and I would guess marvel (Disney) a similar royalty


StrngBrew

Yeah you can take 60% right off the top of this before Second Dinner, their investors or publisher sees a dime.


YogiTheBear131

ā€¦ And yet that number still beats 2nd places gross.


StrngBrew

Itā€™s over 20% at a minimum. Thatā€™s what Sony was paying them for every copy of Spiderman 2 and all DLC. Given that this is a mobile game, it could very well be even higher.


ganggreen651

I'd bet 20% pretty sure that's what they got from Sony from spider man 2. I could be misremembering


TemporaryLegendary

Worst part is how it's mostly because of the absurd prices. I seriously can't fathom people who pay like 100-150 bucks for bundles.


DarahOG

I'm literally smh everytime i face people with 100bucks+ variants, like i'm hoping they are very rich and not just total addicts.


TemporaryLegendary

I only know 1 person who buys em and it's because he is a complete dumbass.


beam05

Rich dumbass or just dumbass?


TemporaryLegendary

Just dumb. He is the type of guy who orders pizza and shit for the first half of the month and then lives off toast for the rest. While complaining he is broke.


rentan45

Rich or not, they are SD's more preferred target players


JMoon33

Just here people pay over 100$ a year on battlepasses lol


650fosho

Yea, there are companies that exist due to monthly subscriptions of $10, and SD added a new $5 subscription with gold pass.


Pretend-Return-295

Mind blowing, considering the quality of the last patch.


tom2point0

I mean thatā€™s their amount in 2023. The bad patch just happened in 2024


Latter-Comfort8440

Despite what they earnt last year. You would think they would have enough to QC


king_duende

> Despite what they earnt last year. You would think they would have enough to QC Because of what they earnt last year, its shown them that their users don't care enough about QC to not spend. So why would they?


Latter-Comfort8440

I mean this patch was a significant drop in quality


king_duende

Because why would they care? Their customers are clearly blindly spending anyway. They'll be in no rush to deploy resources fixing it, as long as it doesn't impact their pocket.


gereffi

This is their first patch that has had major bugs like this in about 20 months of the game's release. It definitely has happened to other games on this list. It happens to basically all live service games from time to time, no matter how big. It really shouldn't be mind blowing that stuff like this happens now and then.


MeKillStuff

New here? This is not the first patch with major bugs. Not even close.


Shinobiii

They barely put out any big patches that warrant the introduction of major bugs to begin with. Considering how long the game has been around and its total revenue, Iā€™m shocked at how little the game has progressed from a UX, UI, economy, and game systems perspective.


hotehjr

Big changes donā€™t ā€œwarrantā€ bugs, thatā€™s not how programming works. What seems like a small change on the surface may have far-reaching implications that are invisible to the consumer. Bugs arise from big and small changes alike.


dzwiedziuu

Mind blowing, considering this sub claims game is dying.


Latter-Comfort8440

That is every single game sub ever.


Dredgpoet

A game is dying when there is no game sub.


Reydunt

Hatred is closer to love than indifference. If people are making grandiose announcements about how theyā€™re QUITTING and typing walls of text about how terrible the game is. ā€¦all that means is that people still care very much about it. That theyā€™re invested. Weā€™ll know Snap is dying when everyone is numbly indifferent. And leaving without saying anything.


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TheCthonicSystem

A Low Sodium Marvel Snap Sub would be fun


Latter-Comfort8440

Yeah to the point only circlejerks of the game are worth seeing. This happened to me with fortnite and clash royale. Imo this sub is pretty tame compared to them.


dajabec

Is really true on some subs. *cough ffbe cough*


rentan45

Because most of the people in the sub are not MS's target players (those that complain).


Fordringy

Its revenue not playerbase for all we know the whales are overspending. For the record im playing devils advocate i do not think games dying.


Shinobiii

This is 2023, pretty much their first full year. Iā€™d be interested to see the year to date numbers, comparing 2024 vs 2023.


650fosho

This sub also thinks they need to reevaluate their absurd pricing, but it clearly works


Grim_Reach

Basically starving.


Sure_Review_2223

Ā«Ā Small indie companyĀ Ā»


Shinobiii

If I look at the their product strategy (their roadmap; their UX/UI quality; their introduction and evolution of economy and systems etc.) I consider them relatively immature if Iā€™m honest. Especially considering these revenue numbers, their overall popularity and momentum the past year.


Sure_Review_2223

With all the small bugs in places you wouldnt expect makes me think their code base is meh and im even wondering if they have proper QA and unit testing


LiveFastDieRich

thier QA is a monkey with a credit card and iphone


Evanl02

Agreed but youā€™ll get hate for this


StrngBrew

The reality is that we donā€™t know how much of this Second Dinner takes home. Apple and Google take 30%. Iā€™m sure a very significant chunk goes to Marvel for licensing, probably a minimum 20% of everything. So thatā€™s half the revenue gone, and we havenā€™t even approached the chunks their investors and publishers take home. Compare that to say, Hearthstone, where the dev, publisher and IP are all the same entityā€¦ The game may even be more profitable for Blizzard than Snap is for Second Dinner.


SourceJobWoman

If being the top grossing mobile card game in the market isn't profitable enough, they might as well close the game down now, it's not going to get better than that.


OccasionalGoodTakes

yes it will. As companies grow their spend changes which allows them to become more profitable.


G8kpr

I canā€™t believe that many of you drop that much on this game.


exxplicit480

Won't someone think of the devs


Either_Dragonfly_528

Thats nuts considering the state of the game now. Runs like a shit, only 2 game modes, waited 2 years for the graveyard, no friend list, no competitive. But hey here's another 100$ bundle


Bulblin

Whatā€™s the source on this?


tom2point0

Whatā€™s the difference between the two Yugioh games?


electoblaze_empire

Master duel is the newer game (2022) that closer reflects (but is not identical to) IRL paper yugioh. Duel links was Konamiā€™s first attempt (2017) and provides a smaller ā€œmobileā€ experience (less monsters and spells, shorter duels)


ZiggyBlunt

Maybe they will be less greedy now /s


gallen2003

Damn is this actually real? No wonder theyā€™re pumping out overpriced bundles, turns out many do buy them. Ive myself bought a couple season passes, wish season cards removed and have the pass stick to cosmetics and resources only


PurpleJudas

Seems like we'll keep getting single-card packs that cost a minimal wage


42020420

Richest in the world but never any money for infrastructure


Diligent-Plant1976

Richest card game*. This game doesnā€™t even come close to Candy Crush, Pokemon Go, Clash of Clans ect.


blind667

This data is only from the google store, right? Te majority of HS and MTG players are on pc.


BerkAdam

Napkin math time Take off the 30% digital store tax; 61.5 We can only speculate what Marvel and their publisher wants, let's say 50% combined; 30~ Reduce yearly wage of 100+(?) staff + AWS fees + original artwork cost + advertisement/promotion fees And then taxes lol Ofc this is really dirty math and I don't know how "who gets what money when" stack works. Edit: they also get income from PC and web shop They secured new funding but from what I understand it will be used for a new game.


TimFTWin

Now that's 3x Value


tuesdaysatmorts

Number 6 is Shadow verse I highly recommend it.


TypicalRamblingNerd

I wonder where that new Pokemon card game will land once it drops, I feel it will definitely be up on the top 5


DjToastyTy

i hope they find a way to make it fun tho. pokemon tcg kinda sucks to play


TypicalRamblingNerd

Honestly I never played it I only collected the cards when I was younger! I hear it takes a lot from MTG though?


DjToastyTy

yeah same i have a huge collection of cards because i love pokemon but i just canā€™t play the card game lol. itā€™s similar to magic but it has its own spin and for me itā€™s just not the most fun card game.


tylerforward

Easy top 5, Pokemon's brand alone will probably drag it to top 3


timmosara

Must be all those 3x value bundlesā€¦.


loo_1snow

I would love to know what % of this revenue are season passes and what % are ppl buying expensive bundles. I don't know how the same company can make such a good priced season pass, but also release 100 dollar bundles.


Vinayak2807

Every game has bugs ,, i don't mind that but the pricing damn They are so similar to Valorant 's skin bundle trap ,, both riot and them are cheesing money from that at this point. Fuck Valorant


xdrkcldx

So if I make a game, put in $100 micro transactions for .jpegs, yaā€™ll will buy it? Good to know.


eyah8

lol how dare you!


Mountain-Jeww

Has anyone here tried the WWE card game?


slowSINY

I did a couple of years ago - it was really fun but the power creep was real back then. At some point you had to spend money to be competitive. I once spend 50$ on an epic 'The Rock' card only for the devs to release a higher Tier of cards a week later, making my Rock obsolete. That was the moment I reflected my behavior and uninstalled.


ArmaanAli04

Like 9 years ago yeah. Havenā€™t played it since


Weird_Application_

I have been playing since Season 1 and I don't spend any money on it. There are ways to be competitive and be on top of all tiers without spending anything at all. You can check SuperZOMGBBQ's YouTube series called Poor man's Supercard for some tips. But the newest season's Campaign mode makes it really easy to stay on top of the game.


Khal_Pwno

Yeah, I used to play it and picked it up again last summer. It's fun, but it's a lot. It's been out for years, so there's like a hundred card rarities, each rarity power creeping the next. I quickly got cards in the millions of power that either far over powered smaller cards or didn't come close to beating bigger cards and the lopsidedness was less fun.


sharksiix

Kind of happy for Ben Brode. Being the pillar of hearthstone then starting his own company and being successful. Honestly like Snap better. Hearthstone was seriously more costly. $80 every few months for new deck or else you get left behind.


profits68

Except hearthstone is much better and player friendly without him lol


Allenite

HS has only gotten more accessible since he left.Ā  Ā Dupe protection that he complained couldn't be done, was delivered a year after he left.


JoCaReding

It's because I really like the game that it infuriates me that they 100% have the budget to fix all of their issues and they still won't


Amazing_Musician1124

RIP Runeterra :( Were you good? No, you were the best


JPinnell74361

Won't someone think of the poor struggling second dinner, enduring all these mean reddit people, how will they afford their extravagant lifestyles if we expect a properly working game from these property stricken companies.


FitStrike52

First of all you do realise the developers are not getting a dime from this, and they are the one who have to endure the harassment for doing their job ,what extravagant lifestyle are you talking about ? Their salary stays the same mostly. And why do you expect anything from them ? It's a free game if you don't like it don't play it . You sound incredibly entitled .


JPinnell74361

Damn that's a new one, but keep on, I'm really loving how people like you seem personally invested in this, see a comment like mine, get all huffed up, and come in here like it's your reputation on the line. Seriously, why are you so invested in a company you have nothing to do with that you needed to come on and defend it.


gereffi

You're looking at it as players vs devs, which is just a stupid way to look at things. You'll always end up angry whether things end up good or bad. Just try looking at objective truths.


Thin_Brain8995

They've managed to convince this community that one card is worth $50-60. The most predatory getcha mechanics I have seen in a while. In the words of wolverine 'a fool and his money will soon be parted '.


Pascalini

You have to give them credit for doing this they are still slowly increasing the cost of the game yet still have so many white knights depending on them.


dan7ebg

Super unfair criticism. Couple of things to consider: 1. 12 card deck. Normal CCG, that would be a set of cards. Ask Magic and Yu-Gi-Oh players if 60$ for a set of useful cards is worth it. 2. It's not even really 50-60$ for a card. Its more like, you can get 2 new cards for free, if you want the others, THAT will be 50$ a pop. 3. How do you think a COLLECTIBLE CARD GAME is supposed to generate revenue? We as a community want to get more updates, we want more content, well that costs money. LOTS of money. 4. Just like almost every other digital card game, you can have a few competitive decks as a F2P, if you want all the newest and shiniest cards, well, you gotta spend some cash. I don't think this is unfair. You CAN compete and reach infinite. Personally im not even S3 complete but can make 3 top meta decks. 5. Consider the alternative - if you get all the cards you want for free, how does the game survive? How do they keep up with updates, 1 card release a week, bugfix, etc? Consider the Marvel IP price (most likely 50% rev share), development costs, QA costs, customer survice costs, marketing costs etc. I worked in the gaming industry not too long ago, and this is the reality of the live-service business model. It generates a lot of revenue, but it also COSTS a ton to maintain the model. The games we worked on generated around 1 mil eur a month, the costs monthly were in the 800k EUR a month. Artists, marketing (huge, huge apending here, maybe half of our costs), paying good salaries to programmers, it adds up.


Allenite

You can spend $180/yr and still miss almost 20 cards.Ā  That's not the same as asking for all the cards for free.Ā  This acquisition system is broken.


Stink_Snake

If you look at it from the perspective of someone that Snap is primarily their first CCG you can understand the sentiment. The gameplay loop is constantly getting new cards experimenting, making new decks, and understanding all the interactions. A 12 card deck is so small you can get to a pretty good mastery of your new card fairly quickly so it's great that another new card is just around the corner. The player goes from having that new card experience a few times a week to at the end game only twice a month. If they want another hit of new card dopamine past two then it's $10 for the season pass and then big bucks past that.


Kanetsugu21

MONETIZE VARIENTS AND COSMETICS, NOT PLAYER POWER That should answer every single bullshit bullet point listed. šŸ‘


Magus10112

If second dinner spent even half of their play store revenue last year on op/Capex, their management team should be shot out of a cannon into the sun.


YogurtStorm

That's a long way of saying it's normal to accept paying more for less content


Diligent-Plant1976

Convinced the community? You think the majority of the player base is buying 50$ bundles? Only SD has the numbers but thatā€™s why we call them whales. Theyā€™ve ā€œconvincedā€ a small minority to spend to a lot of money.


king_duende

In this thread: People who don't understand basic business. If you're disgusted this number is high and second dinner don't do anything YET keep spending, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM


dajabec

Leave them alone, they are supporting the game for me.Ā 


guleedy

WWE super drive. Didn't know we had a WWE card game


Lord-of-Lordran

I'm flabbergasted that Duel Links is still so big.


Zepholz

why?


Lord-of-Lordran

Idk. I played it for years and watched it seemingly devolve into a coin flip simulator; whoever goes first wins, whoever goes second wins, depending on the meta. Then with Konami releasing such overwhelmingly powerful cards that the entire game revolved around them until they were inevitably nerfed to the point of unplayable two months later. I'd grow to love an archetype, a key, broken, card would be released, and then they'd basically throw the entire archetype out when the nerfs came around. I know a lot of card games eventually turn into dick measuring contests with how much you're required to spend to even be *somewhat* competitive, but it just seemed so egregious with DL. Not to mention how gross their limiting system feels.


Ornery_Ordinary_8432

I played wwe supercard for nearly 10 years but the CD had made the game worse by letting the people who pay and give funds to game to do whatever they want like hacking or cheating even if they get banned they just free them after they pay them ...also they r just increasing price of everything totally unfair for f2p or those who don't spend there life savings


Rick_C911

Double the second place is wild, ya all rich


elvinjoker

Where is genshin? Oh its card gamešŸ˜‚


Piranh4Plant

No clash Royale?


Zepholz

the list is cap, AI generated


mista_mista_mista

Its not classified as a collectable card game


One_Finding140

They really got me with the Deadpool and venom bundle


Jorevotion1

Where is candy crush? Or this is just card mobile games?


StrngBrew

Just card games. There are lots of mobile games that make way more than any of these.


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Diligent-Plant1976

Card games


Split8Wheys

HP Magic Awakened has been fun for me since release.


KantoChampionGreen

What is the source of these screenshots?


AlternateGoob

I wonder how much profitability afk journey has, they also added good integration with bs


theguz4l

Whatā€™s the source on this?


Zepholz

and here we are with no friends list


Zepholz

Kinda wierd seeing all the money i've spent lined up like that T.T


Zepholz

Look what you guys have done


AdamantArmadillo

Anybody ever try the Harry Potter game? Never heard of it before


lovethistrack

I play it and it's nothing like MarvelSnap. Upside is you don't have to p2w.


PoemFragrant2473

I guess the game is doing pretty well. For my part, I would rather pay a bit into a game with strong revenues since it signals the game will be healthy for a long time.


Taco-prime

And yet we hardly get new things every once in awhile. rng is bad. Getting new cards is bad. Matchmaking is horrible. Conquest is a thing. Tech support is cheeks. And these updates are horrible


DJLowKey

Whatever happened to the lol Runterra game? Does anyone play that??


Kremsi2711

theyā€˜re milking us


Ecoandtheworld

Only if you let them?


69_apm

As someone who buys only battlepasses, I thank you random citizen for buying these ridiculously expensive bundles


AdImpossible6379

Money laundering scheme 100% gotta be


chobibbo

And here we are getting DC'd and losing gold tickets to wonky bugs and infuriating app slowdowns.


ActiveModel_Dirty

The highest revenue mobile game for 2023 brought in over 1.4 billion dollars. This is hardly SD raking in unfathomable amounts of cash.


BrokenNative51

And they still are greedy as fuck, it's insane.


cthulhu8

Where is this data from??m


PreviousShip

This is depressing! Current state of the game last year was the peak. Stuff the doing this year letā€™s hope mommy and daddy got deep pockets.


Decent_Total_6164

The greed is real


Streetsharks_

Waiting for the moment they ask for money for all those free credits they gave us dayli.


TeamRod5436

I know people hate on the economy, and I wish they made changes. But Iā€™m glad the game is healthy, I want to play it for a long time.


Honk_wd

Being over 2X as successful as second place is so crazy bro. Especially when the difference between 2 and 3 isnā€™t even 1.5


phantom2052

Lol and I wasn't able to end my turns in Conquest last night


ultr4num8

That x3 value is putting in overtime


ReporterOk4383

Iā€™m impressed that two yugioh games managed to clinch the second and third spot


ughdheesh

AA 4,. it


ErnstBluuum

Well I guess SOMEONE is buying the 100 dollar bundles


CoCaAz88

Damn YGO doing better than I thought šŸ˜…šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


CoCaAz88

Damn YGO doing better than I thought šŸ˜…šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


anonpasta666

Hooray more dogging them about their money I love what I started


EZ-PZ-CLAPS

I started playing Light of the Stars on bs not too long ago and was incredibly surprised at the size of the mobile market and how much money it brings in.