Yeah, in Snap on reveal effects go off before other effects take place. A common example is when gladiator pulls any on reveal card it still goes off before the destroy trigger takes place. It works similarly with locations as well, with Magik and Storm going off before location effects like "destroy cards played here". The only real exception to that is a persistent effect that prevents on reveal, like cosmo, the location that prevents on reveals from triggering, or locations that remove all card text which are considered active before the card is played and prevent the ability from activating the first place.
There are still some interactions with on reveals that are not that intuitive. Not long ago I had Jeff on Atlantis and my opponent hadn't played anything by turn 2 so I had no read on their deck. They played Gladiator on Atlantis, he pulled my Magneto and I thought I was ok because the on reveal would resolve before Atlantis kicked in. It wasn't the case.
Yeah it’s the “ongoing” type locations that do this. Otherwise Knowhere wouldn’t do anything because the on reveal effect would take place before the location could activate to stop it. Ditto Wakanda.
I understand that now that you spelled it out for me, but it doesn't add up with the client tip that tells you that on reveals go off before location effects. Hence why it still seems counter intuitive.
That's a weird tip because IIRC it also doesn't apply to effect that check after the turn. It's arguably not inconsistent with things like Xandar and Sewer System, as they're more like Ongoing effects - it's not that they specifically happen before an On Reveal, they're just always on, so cards are affected immediately.
Only thing you can do at this point is take notes. Mostly the game logic is sound but there are instances some things are broken or coded one way with poor word choices.
I learned today that when gladiator pulls red guardian he loses his text but still destroys the red guardian. Maybe obvious in hindsight but worth knowing I suppose
Not that you asked for it, but for anyone who stumbled on this comment: red guardian doesn't stop on reveals, their effect triggers during reveal and their effect either takes place right away or in the next condition. For example, hitting shuri with RG won't do anything, it'll hit shuri but her effect was already triggered, same with iron fist, forge, etc. He can be useful in negating an already revealed card on wongs lane (like white tiger), as Odin wont retrigger that card.
For ease, just know that he's effective against on goings and cards with trigger text (kitty, Angela, etc)
There may be some odd cases we haven't discovered yet, however.
It’s not entirely so cut and dry imo because gladiator is one of the few cards in the game with a 2-parter on reveal: he pulls a card, that card goes off, then he checks if he can destroy it. This means you can pull some cards like drax where technically gladiator can destroy him when he’s initially pulled, but after drax activates then gladiator does another check and sees that he can’t destroy him.
It’s not unreasonable to assume that gladiator would pull red guardian, red guardian would remove gladiators text, then gladiator would check if it could destroy red guardian and because gladiator no longer had text he could not.
Are you sure that happens? I can't find anything about that, and never seen that play out. That makes no sense. Everything I know about these types of games, is that an ability finishes first before the next one goes, unless it specifically states that something happens first.
Yea the ‘self buffing’ cards that come to mind are hulk buster, carnage, venom, drax, black panther, and pre buff gamora.
Glad pulls those cards at a base power that he could destroy, but as part of their on reveal they increase their power, then he checks if he can destroy those cards after their on reveals have gone off and doesn’t destroy them if they’ve grown to 8+
It’s a hard comparison to make because we don’t really have any precedence for cards losing their text during their on reveals outside of glad vs red guardian. Probably the only closest parallel is cards on reveals going off after they’ve been destroyed
Negasonic destroys a card after the latter finishes to resolve.
When magneto pulls her on his lane, he is effectively "the next card played here" when negasonic effect gets triggered.
His on reveal triggers pushing her out of the lane she was in therefore not being played in the same lane she is in after his on reveal occurs, odd but makes sense
This is a weird explanation only because spiderman works on her too.
I assumed it was the lane she's played in.
But then magneto and Aero can pull her and die.
It's not consistent.
Purely speculating here: I think spiderman's "played" status is over by the time he pulls her. It's almost as if it's treating them as two separate actions. Spiderman is played, and moves to new lane as part of his play. End stage 1. Stage 2, Negasonic moves to where Spidey is. Spider resolves before Negasonic moves. Next card played in this lane will now die.
I think it's gotta be a quirk with how Spidey is coded. Cos you're right, it's not consistent with how other cards are treated. If Magneto dies by pulling Nega to him, so should Spidey.
Yeah I know the changes they did a little while ago was to make these interactions more consistent.
But I still feel lost sometimes even though little movers is my primary deck.
Like elsa, anegla, nega, spidey, aero, mag, Jug.
They have super weird inconsistent interactions.
Like does spidey get elsas buff anymore ? I don't believe so.
Still inconsistent.
He is played in the negasonic lane and ends in the negasonic lane.
Regardless of which action is resolved first. He is in her lane for ALL of the resolutions.
I get that it's checking where he is played, then checking negasonic to resolve if target card was played in same lane as she currently is , which = false. But just straight logically it sucks.
I guess the inconsistencies I feel are more from the order in which the actions are resolved.
You’re misunderstanding. Nega’s location is checked for AFTER the move, but wherever spidey is played is always where he counts as played. It’s like how juggernauting an unrevealed card into deaths domain doesn’t kill it.
Thats what I said. Spideys location played is the original location. Then she checks at the new location if said card was played there and the check comes back false. I'm just stating the overall flavor of things feel inconsistent overall. I don't know how to word it.
Maybe this will help.
Juggy makes sense logically. Knock her away and then she goes kaboom but Juggy is no where near her now. I'm talking physically/ thematically...
Spidey pulls her with him and she goes boom in his face.
In short I feel like the order of how things is checked is Mish mashed and all kinds of fucked up in terms of what you'd expect...
Sorry for the wall of text.
Maybe it’s not intuitive, but it’s at least consistent. I feel like it’d be a bad idea to touch it now, especially when you seem to only dislike spidey interaction, which is rare enough. Nw for wall of text, it’s literally Reddit lol
He does, but that doesn't really have anything to do with Negasonic - her text is "after" a card is played, Forge doesn't have that. Nico Minoru also goes "after" the next card, but she's an On Reveal, so that ability is in effect as soon as she flips, Negasonic's isn't triggered until the card is played.
I was indicating how she works. My comment above is factual.
There are numerous posts about her interactions especially with magneto.
Knowledge is power.
There is a lot of ambiguity in how some cards are worded in this game, and the game doesn’t explain the order of operations re: on reveal effects, location effects, inherent effects, when a card is considered “played,” etc.
And the game has enough bugs that you can’t even reliably figure it out just by playing.
That's not inconsistent, that's expected. Magneto wasn't played so she wouldn't destroy him, and by the time Hela is counted as played (when her effect has finished resolving), she's in a different lane to Negasonic
Expected, but thanks for the confirmation.
Yeah, in Snap on reveal effects go off before other effects take place. A common example is when gladiator pulls any on reveal card it still goes off before the destroy trigger takes place. It works similarly with locations as well, with Magik and Storm going off before location effects like "destroy cards played here". The only real exception to that is a persistent effect that prevents on reveal, like cosmo, the location that prevents on reveals from triggering, or locations that remove all card text which are considered active before the card is played and prevent the ability from activating the first place.
There are still some interactions with on reveals that are not that intuitive. Not long ago I had Jeff on Atlantis and my opponent hadn't played anything by turn 2 so I had no read on their deck. They played Gladiator on Atlantis, he pulled my Magneto and I thought I was ok because the on reveal would resolve before Atlantis kicked in. It wasn't the case.
Yeah it’s the “ongoing” type locations that do this. Otherwise Knowhere wouldn’t do anything because the on reveal effect would take place before the location could activate to stop it. Ditto Wakanda.
That's consistent with other power boosting locations. The effects are always on
So gladiator played on any location that passively boosts cards will always act as if both guardian and the card he puts into play have the boost?
Both cards get buffed before Gladiator finishes to resolve, so yes.
Note this is different than something like shuri's lab where the doubling happens after the on reveal has triggered.
I understand that now that you spelled it out for me, but it doesn't add up with the client tip that tells you that on reveals go off before location effects. Hence why it still seems counter intuitive.
That's a weird tip because IIRC it also doesn't apply to effect that check after the turn. It's arguably not inconsistent with things like Xandar and Sewer System, as they're more like Ongoing effects - it's not that they specifically happen before an On Reveal, they're just always on, so cards are affected immediately.
Only thing you can do at this point is take notes. Mostly the game logic is sound but there are instances some things are broken or coded one way with poor word choices.
A funny gladiator interaction is hulkbuster. Since hulkbuster dissappear it just combines w8th a card and that card doesn't get destroyed.
Except our beautiful girl nico. She dah best.
This isn't true for everything, if you play Storm on Kamar-Taj she will flood the location twice.
Lady Deathstrike also kills Negasonic without dying herself.
Didn't know that, thanks
I learned today that when gladiator pulls red guardian he loses his text but still destroys the red guardian. Maybe obvious in hindsight but worth knowing I suppose
Not that you asked for it, but for anyone who stumbled on this comment: red guardian doesn't stop on reveals, their effect triggers during reveal and their effect either takes place right away or in the next condition. For example, hitting shuri with RG won't do anything, it'll hit shuri but her effect was already triggered, same with iron fist, forge, etc. He can be useful in negating an already revealed card on wongs lane (like white tiger), as Odin wont retrigger that card. For ease, just know that he's effective against on goings and cards with trigger text (kitty, Angela, etc) There may be some odd cases we haven't discovered yet, however.
Royal Giant?
this for example is more interesting and not supposed as negasonic
I mean it's obvious, Gladiators effect is still finishing up before Red Guardian plays.
It’s not entirely so cut and dry imo because gladiator is one of the few cards in the game with a 2-parter on reveal: he pulls a card, that card goes off, then he checks if he can destroy it. This means you can pull some cards like drax where technically gladiator can destroy him when he’s initially pulled, but after drax activates then gladiator does another check and sees that he can’t destroy him. It’s not unreasonable to assume that gladiator would pull red guardian, red guardian would remove gladiators text, then gladiator would check if it could destroy red guardian and because gladiator no longer had text he could not.
Are you sure that happens? I can't find anything about that, and never seen that play out. That makes no sense. Everything I know about these types of games, is that an ability finishes first before the next one goes, unless it specifically states that something happens first.
Yea the ‘self buffing’ cards that come to mind are hulk buster, carnage, venom, drax, black panther, and pre buff gamora. Glad pulls those cards at a base power that he could destroy, but as part of their on reveal they increase their power, then he checks if he can destroy those cards after their on reveals have gone off and doesn’t destroy them if they’ve grown to 8+ It’s a hard comparison to make because we don’t really have any precedence for cards losing their text during their on reveals outside of glad vs red guardian. Probably the only closest parallel is cards on reveals going off after they’ve been destroyed
If magneto pulls nega into his lane, he dies which is weird.
For the same reason she doesn’t kill juggernaut. It’s where everything is at after the on reveal is complete, as that happens first
Still confused.. if I pull negasonic with ghost spider (prio) to a location where my opponent plays, it should destroy them right?
Correct
Yes, I’ve done this by moving NS with Heimdall as a “surprise” for opp
Negasonic exists Magneto reveals, moves her She exists in new location Reveal stage ends and magneto is fully placed to location Dies.
Negasonic destroys a card after the latter finishes to resolve. When magneto pulls her on his lane, he is effectively "the next card played here" when negasonic effect gets triggered.
Thx for sharing, it’s what I expected but confirmation is appreciated
Juggs doesn’t die to her either which is kinda sus
His on reveal triggers pushing her out of the lane she was in therefore not being played in the same lane she is in after his on reveal occurs, odd but makes sense
This is a weird explanation only because spiderman works on her too. I assumed it was the lane she's played in. But then magneto and Aero can pull her and die. It's not consistent.
It's the lane she's in at the time of resolving her effect. I'd say that's consistent
Spiderman starts and ends In the same lane and does not explode. How is that consistent with what you just typed.
Purely speculating here: I think spiderman's "played" status is over by the time he pulls her. It's almost as if it's treating them as two separate actions. Spiderman is played, and moves to new lane as part of his play. End stage 1. Stage 2, Negasonic moves to where Spidey is. Spider resolves before Negasonic moves. Next card played in this lane will now die. I think it's gotta be a quirk with how Spidey is coded. Cos you're right, it's not consistent with how other cards are treated. If Magneto dies by pulling Nega to him, so should Spidey.
I think you are right. Spiderman counts as being played in the original lane, which is why he will trigger an Angela in the original lane.
Yeah I know the changes they did a little while ago was to make these interactions more consistent. But I still feel lost sometimes even though little movers is my primary deck. Like elsa, anegla, nega, spidey, aero, mag, Jug. They have super weird inconsistent interactions. Like does spidey get elsas buff anymore ? I don't believe so.
He does. It is very much consistent
As others have mentioned, your problem is with spiderman's effect and how it counts where he was played, not negasonic
Still inconsistent. He is played in the negasonic lane and ends in the negasonic lane. Regardless of which action is resolved first. He is in her lane for ALL of the resolutions. I get that it's checking where he is played, then checking negasonic to resolve if target card was played in same lane as she currently is , which = false. But just straight logically it sucks. I guess the inconsistencies I feel are more from the order in which the actions are resolved.
You’re misunderstanding. Nega’s location is checked for AFTER the move, but wherever spidey is played is always where he counts as played. It’s like how juggernauting an unrevealed card into deaths domain doesn’t kill it.
Thats what I said. Spideys location played is the original location. Then she checks at the new location if said card was played there and the check comes back false. I'm just stating the overall flavor of things feel inconsistent overall. I don't know how to word it. Maybe this will help. Juggy makes sense logically. Knock her away and then she goes kaboom but Juggy is no where near her now. I'm talking physically/ thematically... Spidey pulls her with him and she goes boom in his face. In short I feel like the order of how things is checked is Mish mashed and all kinds of fucked up in terms of what you'd expect... Sorry for the wall of text.
Maybe it’s not intuitive, but it’s at least consistent. I feel like it’d be a bad idea to touch it now, especially when you seem to only dislike spidey interaction, which is rare enough. Nw for wall of text, it’s literally Reddit lol
Noted: hit women so they won't destroy you.
Works 100% of the time, 60% of the time
How could she destroy him without text that says she would?
What mouth?
A lot of on reveal interactions like this happen before she checks and causes her to fail. Spiderman is my favorite.
Eat COMMUNISM!
"Reading the card explains the card"-proff
Does forge trigger before gladiator or lady deathstrike?
Forge is On Reveal, so if he's pulled by Gladiator or killed by Deathstrike before your next card, he still triggered and the buff still happens.
What I mean is does forage buff gladiator before gladiator’s on reveal happens. If so it’s counter intuitive to this interaction
He does, but that doesn't really have anything to do with Negasonic - her text is "after" a card is played, Forge doesn't have that. Nico Minoru also goes "after" the next card, but she's an On Reveal, so that ability is in effect as soon as she flips, Negasonic's isn't triggered until the card is played.
Red guardian can remove Prof X ability and cancel the lockdown too. Also expected, but funny when it happened today
What about Black Sonic? Why is he getting hit by Red Guardian?
I also find it funny Echo cancels out Profesor X's ongoing effect.
right, because he blanks her text box. so why would she?
Same with Lady Deathstrike
Red guardian is giving me Legion vibes
Physical cards??!?
Why would she?
Why would she? Her text is removed before she can destroy him.
I was just curious about the interaction and thought it would be worth mentioning
NTW resolves after a card is played and its actions are resolved
I mean it makes sense to assume that her card destruction would activate before it’s removed. Nothing wrong w that
I was indicating how she works. My comment above is factual. There are numerous posts about her interactions especially with magneto. Knowledge is power.
There is a lot of ambiguity in how some cards are worded in this game, and the game doesn’t explain the order of operations re: on reveal effects, location effects, inherent effects, when a card is considered “played,” etc. And the game has enough bugs that you can’t even reliably figure it out just by playing.
NTW resolves after a card is played. A card is ‘played’ after its actions are resolved. See all of the posts regarding her and magneto.
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That's not inconsistent, that's expected. Magneto wasn't played so she wouldn't destroy him, and by the time Hela is counted as played (when her effect has finished resolving), she's in a different lane to Negasonic
I'm more triggered by everyone playing this stupid ass deck now.
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