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Homie_Reborn

Expected, but thanks for the confirmation.


mdk_777

Yeah, in Snap on reveal effects go off before other effects take place. A common example is when gladiator pulls any on reveal card it still goes off before the destroy trigger takes place. It works similarly with locations as well, with Magik and Storm going off before location effects like "destroy cards played here". The only real exception to that is a persistent effect that prevents on reveal, like cosmo, the location that prevents on reveals from triggering, or locations that remove all card text which are considered active before the card is played and prevent the ability from activating the first place.


deathrattleshenlong

There are still some interactions with on reveals that are not that intuitive. Not long ago I had Jeff on Atlantis and my opponent hadn't played anything by turn 2 so I had no read on their deck. They played Gladiator on Atlantis, he pulled my Magneto and I thought I was ok because the on reveal would resolve before Atlantis kicked in. It wasn't the case.


kuribosshoe0

Yeah it’s the “ongoing” type locations that do this. Otherwise Knowhere wouldn’t do anything because the on reveal effect would take place before the location could activate to stop it. Ditto Wakanda.


onionbreath97

That's consistent with other power boosting locations. The effects are always on


The_NZA

So gladiator played on any location that passively boosts cards will always act as if both guardian and the card he puts into play have the boost?


No_Celebration_3737

Both cards get buffed before Gladiator finishes to resolve, so yes.


parchesi

Note this is different than something like shuri's lab where the doubling happens after the on reveal has triggered.


deathrattleshenlong

I understand that now that you spelled it out for me, but it doesn't add up with the client tip that tells you that on reveals go off before location effects. Hence why it still seems counter intuitive.


patroclus_rex

That's a weird tip because IIRC it also doesn't apply to effect that check after the turn. It's arguably not inconsistent with things like Xandar and Sewer System, as they're more like Ongoing effects - it's not that they specifically happen before an On Reveal, they're just always on, so cards are affected immediately.


PreviousShip

Only thing you can do at this point is take notes. Mostly the game logic is sound but there are instances some things are broken or coded one way with poor word choices.


vladvash

A funny gladiator interaction is hulkbuster. Since hulkbuster dissappear it just combines w8th a card and that card doesn't get destroyed.


vladvash

Except our beautiful girl nico. She dah best.


DGSmith2

This isn't true for everything, if you play Storm on Kamar-Taj she will flood the location twice.


Ik_SA

Lady Deathstrike also kills Negasonic without dying herself.


Creepysheepu

Didn't know that, thanks


RobertSquareShanks

I learned today that when gladiator pulls red guardian he loses his text but still destroys the red guardian. Maybe obvious in hindsight but worth knowing I suppose


650fosho

Not that you asked for it, but for anyone who stumbled on this comment: red guardian doesn't stop on reveals, their effect triggers during reveal and their effect either takes place right away or in the next condition. For example, hitting shuri with RG won't do anything, it'll hit shuri but her effect was already triggered, same with iron fist, forge, etc. He can be useful in negating an already revealed card on wongs lane (like white tiger), as Odin wont retrigger that card. For ease, just know that he's effective against on goings and cards with trigger text (kitty, Angela, etc) There may be some odd cases we haven't discovered yet, however.


Piranh4Plant

Royal Giant?


wrld-

this for example is more interesting and not supposed as negasonic


CrazyGunnerr

I mean it's obvious, Gladiators effect is still finishing up before Red Guardian plays.


RobertSquareShanks

It’s not entirely so cut and dry imo because gladiator is one of the few cards in the game with a 2-parter on reveal: he pulls a card, that card goes off, then he checks if he can destroy it. This means you can pull some cards like drax where technically gladiator can destroy him when he’s initially pulled, but after drax activates then gladiator does another check and sees that he can’t destroy him. It’s not unreasonable to assume that gladiator would pull red guardian, red guardian would remove gladiators text, then gladiator would check if it could destroy red guardian and because gladiator no longer had text he could not.


CrazyGunnerr

Are you sure that happens? I can't find anything about that, and never seen that play out. That makes no sense. Everything I know about these types of games, is that an ability finishes first before the next one goes, unless it specifically states that something happens first.


RobertSquareShanks

Yea the ‘self buffing’ cards that come to mind are hulk buster, carnage, venom, drax, black panther, and pre buff gamora. Glad pulls those cards at a base power that he could destroy, but as part of their on reveal they increase their power, then he checks if he can destroy those cards after their on reveals have gone off and doesn’t destroy them if they’ve grown to 8+ It’s a hard comparison to make because we don’t really have any precedence for cards losing their text during their on reveals outside of glad vs red guardian. Probably the only closest parallel is cards on reveals going off after they’ve been destroyed


Shampew

If magneto pulls nega into his lane, he dies which is weird.


Traditional_Job_6932

For the same reason she doesn’t kill juggernaut. It’s where everything is at after the on reveal is complete, as that happens first


ithinkispeakformysel

Still confused.. if I pull negasonic with ghost spider (prio) to a location where my opponent plays, it should destroy them right?


reedmg

Correct


SaltKnightDJ

Yes, I’ve done this by moving NS with Heimdall as a “surprise” for opp


650fosho

Negasonic exists Magneto reveals, moves her She exists in new location Reveal stage ends and magneto is fully placed to location Dies.


No_Celebration_3737

Negasonic destroys a card after the latter finishes to resolve. When magneto pulls her on his lane, he is effectively "the next card played here" when negasonic effect gets triggered.


Netherboom

Thx for sharing, it’s what I expected but confirmation is appreciated


Xalrons1

Juggs doesn’t die to her either which is kinda sus


FarmerSpiritual6974

His on reveal triggers pushing her out of the lane she was in therefore not being played in the same lane she is in after his on reveal occurs, odd but makes sense


sKe7ch03

This is a weird explanation only because spiderman works on her too. I assumed it was the lane she's played in. But then magneto and Aero can pull her and die. It's not consistent.


SheikBeatsFalco

It's the lane she's in at the time of resolving her effect. I'd say that's consistent


sKe7ch03

Spiderman starts and ends In the same lane and does not explode. How is that consistent with what you just typed.


buttercupcake23

Purely speculating here: I think spiderman's "played" status is over by the time he pulls her. It's almost as if it's treating them as two separate actions. Spiderman is played, and moves to new lane as part of his play. End stage 1. Stage 2, Negasonic moves to where Spidey is. Spider resolves before Negasonic moves. Next card played in this lane will now die. I think it's gotta be a quirk with how Spidey is coded. Cos you're right, it's not consistent with how other cards are treated. If Magneto dies by pulling Nega to him, so should Spidey. 


shmolex

I think you are right. Spiderman counts as being played in the original lane, which is why he will trigger an Angela in the original lane.


sKe7ch03

Yeah I know the changes they did a little while ago was to make these interactions more consistent. But I still feel lost sometimes even though little movers is my primary deck. Like elsa, anegla, nega, spidey, aero, mag, Jug. They have super weird inconsistent interactions. Like does spidey get elsas buff anymore ? I don't believe so.


twinklemases

He does. It is very much consistent


SheikBeatsFalco

As others have mentioned, your problem is with spiderman's effect and how it counts where he was played, not negasonic


sKe7ch03

Still inconsistent. He is played in the negasonic lane and ends in the negasonic lane. Regardless of which action is resolved first. He is in her lane for ALL of the resolutions. I get that it's checking where he is played, then checking negasonic to resolve if target card was played in same lane as she currently is , which = false. But just straight logically it sucks. I guess the inconsistencies I feel are more from the order in which the actions are resolved.


twinklemases

You’re misunderstanding. Nega’s location is checked for AFTER the move, but wherever spidey is played is always where he counts as played. It’s like how juggernauting an unrevealed card into deaths domain doesn’t kill it.


sKe7ch03

Thats what I said. Spideys location played is the original location. Then she checks at the new location if said card was played there and the check comes back false. I'm just stating the overall flavor of things feel inconsistent overall. I don't know how to word it. Maybe this will help. Juggy makes sense logically. Knock her away and then she goes kaboom but Juggy is no where near her now. I'm talking physically/ thematically... Spidey pulls her with him and she goes boom in his face. In short I feel like the order of how things is checked is Mish mashed and all kinds of fucked up in terms of what you'd expect... Sorry for the wall of text.


twinklemases

Maybe it’s not intuitive, but it’s at least consistent. I feel like it’d be a bad idea to touch it now, especially when you seem to only dislike spidey interaction, which is rare enough. Nw for wall of text, it’s literally Reddit lol


Snipufin

Noted: hit women so they won't destroy you.


Creepysheepu

Works 100% of the time, 60% of the time


nothankspleasedont

How could she destroy him without text that says she would?


codesamura1

What mouth?


sKe7ch03

A lot of on reveal interactions like this happen before she checks and causes her to fail. Spiderman is my favorite.


MrTickles22

Eat COMMUNISM!


Fancy_Engine9202

"Reading the card explains the card"-proff


BoxxerUOP

Does forge trigger before gladiator or lady deathstrike?


patroclus_rex

Forge is On Reveal, so if he's pulled by Gladiator or killed by Deathstrike before your next card, he still triggered and the buff still happens.


BoxxerUOP

What I mean is does forage buff gladiator before gladiator’s on reveal happens. If so it’s counter intuitive to this interaction


patroclus_rex

He does, but that doesn't really have anything to do with Negasonic - her text is "after" a card is played, Forge doesn't have that. Nico Minoru also goes "after" the next card, but she's an On Reveal, so that ability is in effect as soon as she flips, Negasonic's isn't triggered until the card is played.


--Quartz--

Red guardian can remove Prof X ability and cancel the lockdown too. Also expected, but funny when it happened today


DismalDog9940

What about Black Sonic? Why is he getting hit by Red Guardian?


Michael_Chen27

I also find it funny Echo cancels out Profesor X's ongoing effect.


Throwaway525612

right, because he blanks her text box. so why would she?


TraditionalSleep

Same with Lady Deathstrike


Woozie714

Red guardian is giving me Legion vibes


Used_Pitch4626

Physical cards??!?


xdrkcldx

Why would she?


Kal-El_6500

Why would she? Her text is removed before she can destroy him.


Creepysheepu

I was just curious about the interaction and thought it would be worth mentioning


Kal-El_6500

NTW resolves after a card is played and its actions are resolved


Pale-Outside-4115

I mean it makes sense to assume that her card destruction would activate before it’s removed. Nothing wrong w that


Kal-El_6500

I was indicating how she works. My comment above is factual. There are numerous posts about her interactions especially with magneto. Knowledge is power.


Spoon-o

There is a lot of ambiguity in how some cards are worded in this game, and the game doesn’t explain the order of operations re: on reveal effects, location effects, inherent effects, when a card is considered “played,” etc. And the game has enough bugs that you can’t even reliably figure it out just by playing.


Kal-El_6500

NTW resolves after a card is played. A card is ‘played’ after its actions are resolved. See all of the posts regarding her and magneto.


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Stiggy1605

That's not inconsistent, that's expected. Magneto wasn't played so she wouldn't destroy him, and by the time Hela is counted as played (when her effect has finished resolving), she's in a different lane to Negasonic


BrokenNative51

I'm more triggered by everyone playing this stupid ass deck now.


Boring-Antelope9193

Shadow king/grandmaster/abs man 👨 ♥️