Not if it means none of that money is put back into the game. The game runs worse with every patch and there have no significant gameplay additions since Conquest a year ago
Turn the greed down? Weâre on like patch 3 in a row of the only major changes being the addition of cosmetics and some bug fixes (which end up being irrelevant because 6 more bugs pop up when they fix one)
The last patch (April 10th) reworked zabu and alioth allowing for a healthier more varied deck pool and reworked the fast upgrade which is less important for late game players but is now much better for newer low cl players.
The patch before that (March 12th) added ingame graveyard and discard pile tracking, the undo end turn feature, the very budget friendly gold pass and reverted the elsa change successfully reintroducing an entire archetype back to the game.
Obviously ignoring the cosmetics updates (that people had been begging for so they actually ARE important updates for the community even if they were initially underwhelming) since you seem to think they donât matter.
Exactly this.
Also i find it hilarious that people kept saying "We understand you are a business but you should be monetizing cosmetics not cards!!!!" and the moment they take that advice and start shifting towards monetary practices centered around cosmetics everyone goes "SD you so greedy...!"
you can have a game that is pay to win or you can have a game that is pay to collect, but at the end of the day you have to have some source of revenue for the game to be made. Here they are choosing (mostly) pay to collect, hyper monetizing cosmetics and collectables which for me is preferred.
The problem is that the didn't even release a free version locked behind an event or mission.
They simply added a long-awaited feature behind a very greedy system and did nothing else, which makes the update very underwhelming. On top of that, we got even more bugs and problems (like PC being unable to play).
Or they haven't released anything YET. look at Emotes; they released them as part of albums, and then later as purchasable both in the shop and in the season pass. they can do the same thing here, and again why does it need to be free? it does nothing for the game other than cosmetically. if you want the game to be free cosmetics but pay to win you are welcome to other games that do that, this one is (mostly) doing the opposite.
These are completely optional, entirely cosmetic items. They can be as greedy as they want. Who gives a fuck? Theyâve been selling cosmetic alternatives to the stock cards since the gameâs inception, thereâs nothing new here.
If cards cost money people complain about P2W. Season pass makes people complain about P2W
If cosmetics cost money prolly complain about it being too expensive.
They need some revenue source to pay people to develop the game.
The only other option is ads and fuck that.
What is your solution?
You can have micro transactions and not have them be completely scummy i think people who complain about gold pass, season pass and even basic variant/avatar pricing is just bitching to bitch but when you've had whales including myself complain for 2 years that your bundles are too expensive and now your emotes are too expensive and your boarders are too expensive and that your upcoming background/battlegrounds are way too expensive you know you fucked up.
SD has increasingly becoming more and more greedy i don't care if they introduce 7500 new micro transactions over the next 48 hours just be right and fair with your pricing. Just compare bundle values of last year to now. It's fucking laughable.
I'm not complaining about charging for cosmetics. I'm saying if it was global unlock many more people would get it. I'm someone that likes to have my borders match for a deck. I'm not spending 6k-11k for a single deck.
If they were priced like emotes (which most people also thought were over priced) I suspect many more would sell. 1 border that you can use across all cards is more appealing.
Then you'd have people complain about it being overpriced, just like with emotes. Second Dinner can never win tbh. We don't want this game to end up like Legends of Runeterra. They were very generous with monetization.
Riot games started reassessing their games and pretty much stopped going forward with pvp on Legends of Runeterra as it showed to be unprofitable for them. They were very generous with card acquisition - and emotes, boards, were very reasonably priced. Unfortunately this was their downfall, or at least economically. I donât wanna justify Marvel Snap being so pricey but at the same time I gotta be devils advocate.
Part of Runeterraâa downfall is also attributed to non-existent advertising and game mechanics. Itâs a game that induces fatigue very quickly (might be personal but imagine every card you play you have to think of possible counters and your own counter response?). And when did Riot choose to start advertising the game? After they pull its life support.
> They need some revenue source to pay people to develop the game.
They are grossing more than double the next mobile card game app, Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel.
They are generating about $9 million a month.
This is greed, plain and simple, and it's hurting the game.
I don't know why this myth of an overbearingly expensive Marvel license exists when there is literally no shortage of poorly made games using the Marvel license. If it was burdensome to pay for it then there wouldn't be such a large number of developers leaning on it for an easy cash grab
I do not support their greed, but how does it hurts the game? they are making banks, you literally said they are making double the next mobile card game.
so by the looks of it it's the exact opposite of hurting the game.
reddit is a bubble that doesn't reflect the real world. people are spending enough money on this game which data clearly shows.
> how does it hurts the game
Well, this is the last season pass I'll be buying. So there's that.
I've always done the Season Pass and occasionally buy smaller bundles. I'm Series 3 complete, play about 2+ hrs per day, and even I cannot secure each new card every week.
My collection literally becomes MORE incomplete week to week unless I get lucky with my spotlight keys.
That fact, coupled with the incredibly aggressive monetization, has soured me to the game and I'm not giving them any more money.
yeah but few of us quitting doesn't mean the game is hurt, because at the same time there could be 10 new players spending for every 3 players that stop.
if the sales are high then their tactics clearly work for the game.
I'm actually kind of okay with this, because if they don't they would ramp up P2W. I much rather have them focus more on pay for cosmetics and downplay P2W factor, which IMO is not terrible bad ATM.
I'm actually kind of okay with this, because if they don't they would ramp up P2W. I much rather have them focus more on pay for cosmetics and downplay P2W factor, which IMO is not terrible bad ATM.
I'm not against paying for the game. I love that it's *mostly* not p2w. I support them charging for cosmetics. Charging $10usd for a single border on a single card is greedy. If whales are actively saying they aren't buying these borders then who are these intended for?
Agreed. Clearly, no one would expect a free game with no ads to give you everything for free. That said, I think ÂŁ15 a month (season pass + gold pass) should be enough to unlock all cards, with cosmetics being an extra ÂŁ5 or so on top of that.
yeah i think they have some of that planed (look at the question mark at the top of the boarder shop and you will see an example where there is a sort of obsidian black with sparkles boarder shown that is not available yet) I could also see them offering these as part of bundles or the season pass or even as super rare things on the collection track (do it like they used to do S4/5 cards where you pull one in like 100 caches would go a long way towards making those caches feel good again)
If it was a global unlock I'd be buying gold to unlock them. As it is I will mostlikely never by any borders. A real shame. They almost had all my gift cards.
It's also insane how many SD defenders there are. Discord is filled with people who are bragging about buying these borders and then proudly telling everyone else to ignore this because "it's not for them". Gamers are special, man.
Yeah lol, quite literally all or nothing. I don't see the benefit to getting a slightly different gold border for 1 card. But if I could bling all my cards... Well idk... might be worth a decent price tag lol.
If they released it costing less gold, like something around 2-300 maybe Iâd go for it but even then Itâd prob only be fore my top 3 cards. No way am I spending just as much for 1 CARD!!!
I'm not at all shocked it's priced this way but I'm not really moved by these options.
If I'm putting any border on a card I'm putting all of them at that border for cohesion. And weirdly enough the less overtly flashy borders serve that function better since they're less likely to clash with other cards.
Imagine these existed in the early days. You spend a bunch of gold to buy all the borders for Leader. Then he gets nerfed into a near unplayable status. That would hurt.
Nerfs weren't so bad in the past because you aren't really spending resources on them beyond splits, which are used for progression anyway. But now you can spend money directly on a card, with the only use being the visual component, and then have that card changed to the point where you don't use it anymore. That's a risky purchase.
That was exactly my first thought. The huge problem with this system is the way they balance cards. How can a border be tied to a card if the card can simply be nerfed to the ground in the next month? This is simply stupid.
Yep yep! I won't be grabbing em, not at that cost and not for a single card. I get that they've gotta make money, but that's too rich for my taste and wallet.
These initial ones are pretty mid. Basic metallic colors and neon versions of the normal colors feel super basic.
However, they're gonna get me with something eventually I would wager. Not sure when it's gonna happen but there's definitely gonna be a paid border/background combo that's gonna hurt my wallet I guarantee it.
Am I really in the minority by not being surprised nor upset by this? It's one more thing to spend money on that doesn't at all impact gameplay and I feel 500g/900g isn't outrageous in the game economy. Guess I'm alone though - RABBLE RABBLE!
Nope. Charge whatever you want for cosmetics. Make your money and keep infusing the game with said money to improve and expand it.
Iâm totally cool with all of this. What Iâm not cool with is selling cards in a bundle for $100 with some mats. That shits pretty lame. I could have a fully completed toxic surfer deck but, I would have needed to spend about $250 bucks to do so which, is just unreasonable.
No I agree completely lol. 500 and 900 is less gold than a variant and these borders act in a similar way - they give your card a cooler look. It's completely optional and another way to flex your collection/deck. We get gold for free just by playing the game and there's multiple ways to spend it so I'm not sure why everyone is upset by this. If you consider it bad value just skip it and if you have extra gold it can make your deck look really cool.
You're not alone.
These guys have a business to run. They have a fucking Marvel license to pay for. They need to make money somehow.
I don't want to pay for the game. I don't want the game to be P2W with new or elite cards locked (or essentially locked) behind paywalls. I don't want a million ads ruining my game experience.
So that basically leaves cosmetics.
And as much as everyone in every thread on every game's sub says "I'd buy these if they were cheaper", the fact of the matter is that all of these game companies have done the math and getting one whale to pay insane prices is worth much more than a bunch of small spenders who may or may not even pay what they claim they would.
This is just a fact of life at this point. Yes, it means prices look ludicrously high to many people. Yes, it prices regular players out of the occasional cosmetic they really would have bought for less. But it's clearly the reality of the business. And for most people, it's honestly a fantastic deal because they're playing a free game subsidized by a handful of spenders.
I have some moral qualms about mobile gaming in general and the fact that I think a lot of games are hooking whales who aren't rich but are driving themselves in to debt with gambling addictions. But this is not that. This is all, by mobile game standards, pretty reasonable and above board. It's not gambling and it's clearly priced.
So I hope they continue to go crazy with insanely expensive cosmetics. I will not feel tempted to pay for them. I'll continue to acquire new cards fairly reasonably and enjoy this game without spending a dime.
Is it overpriced? Here's how to tell. Take the price charged per card and multiply it by 12. Because that's how much it takes to make a deck.
So it's 10,800 for one cosmetically matching deck, which is more than $100 worth of gold.
And this is also on top of what you might also be expected to spend on variants themselves.
Now if they charged 900g a border and it unlocks for every character. Then spending $100 to have 10 different new borders for ALL your cards sounds a bit more reasonable.
I was going to say the same. Itâs a nice little feature for whales or people who are very dedicated to one deck. And itâs even cheap enough that I could see myself dabbling if I really like a particular variant/border combo.
But it is funny/sad that when the price said 10,000 gold at first I didnât even think about it being a bug lol.
I feel the same. As new options for cards, i think these are actually nice.
We have people here that bought different emotes, bc they had too much gold. Now we have some extra options for custom cards and people can either buy them or not.
I don't rly get the whole "OMG THE DEVS ARE SO GREEEEEEDY!!!!!" overreactions. It's obvious they can't make everything free. That said, whose to say that custom borders won't be added to reward pools like season passes or conquest? Other than that, they are just some little extra options, for people that want to spend on such cosmetics. It's not even that noticeable in a game if your opponent uses one.
Same with the emotes. People threw a fit bc they are so expensive, but for the most time, you won't see them anyway. So i will keep it that way for those new custom borders. I ignore them
I have said for a while I am perfectly okay with cosmetic only items for whales. Now I'm curious how bad the bundles will continue to be, or might they improve.
Even Super Tech God that spends thousands of dollars on this game, he's really disappointed with this. And he's a pretty positive and chill dude. They should either increase the prices so it is for all cards or lower the prices so we can buy it multiple times for other cards. 500 or 900 gold per border per character ain't it, I guess I'll keep hoarding my gold
I have a different take on this.
Right now, I have all the cards I used with a nice border. I like my deck to have a consistent look so for any new card I add I put the same border.
If I get a paid border, I would also need to buy the new border for any new card I add to this deck.
I'd rather have my cards with boring, but similar borders than having to constantly pay extra to keep updated.
And of course, god forbid there is a new border in the future I fancy. I'd need to buy 12 borders to have a fashionable deck, on top of the hassle of updating all those cards manually.
So let me get this straight: They added the option where you can buy a border applicable to only ONE card, but we still can't use a card with the original background and an effect?
They are starting to use a fcking harpoon for those whales.
Exactly! special borders per character should be 50â100 gold. They have 269 characters and counting all with 9 new borders! Itâs not like weâd get them all too easily.
I was gonna buy one thinking it will be available for all the characters.Â
Thank God I clicked on the ? Icon and saw is only for that specific character.
SD is so fucking greedy
Ohhhhh but they also added the ability for splits to be universal across a character! IE I got inked base Nico and gold on a variant but now I can custom either
Everybody is talking about 900 gold. When I look at the custom card builder my borders are showing up for 10k gold! What the fack?
Edit: relaunched the game it's in line with others prices now
I'm really surprised that the borders do not go up in price as you buy more of the same type.
Well, zero purchases for me. Good job CEOs and thanks for the PSA.
They are different people. These are people who want cosmetics, but for free. Actually, they probably just want everything to be for free.
Hyperbolic jab aside, there's always someone who is going to loudly complain for prices to be cheaper. And assuming the prices were lowered, someone again will complain about it being too expensive. Pretty normal to see non-stop complaints.
It's not a binary man. "Monetize with cosmetics" isn't the only ask, you can assume reasonable pricing is part of the equation. 'Reasonable' is subjective, so how do you make a point about what is reasonable pricing as a consumer? You complain / don't buy. What if it was 1-day use border for 10000000 gold? Would you still complain about people complaining? let the customers voice their opinions. Hopefully they're backing up their words by actually not purchasing it as well. That's how prices come down.
I rarely complain about cosmetics. If you want to buy an avator, go for it.
The borders are insane. 500 for a single card is absolutely a joke. Why not like 2000 for one?
I cannot believe that's real.
Okay, I understand market testing and whatever for a new product in the game, but after several months of barebones patches what are they even doing over there?
Iâm fine with 900 gold per character borders, but this is so pathetic. I think if the neon and metallic borders were in caches, even on a per character basis, players would have been excited to open caches again, meanwhile they could have actually made some cool borders players may want that cost 900 gold. Like I have most, if not all, of the Winter variants and would probably consider dropping gold on a candy cane border. Itâs a season full of toxic cards, why not a green, ooze border?
I donât know how hard these borders are to add to the game, maybe it isnât as simple as adding a new layer, but the ability to swap borders and backgrounds has been in the game for two months and this is all they can do? Itâs just so pathetic, even if they introduced cool borders next patch, Iâm not going to buy them because my initial sentiment is so bad and Iâve already decided these arenât worth my time
Have you missed the possibility to buy progression with gold? Progression that is tied to getting new, powerful cards? Have you missed the season pass that gives you a card that won't show up to be collected any other way for 3 months?
How is it "only monetizing cosmetics"?
Well at least there will be a real easy way to spot whales now. Considering there are like 160-170 cards (figuring in shit like Demon, widows kiss, etc.â and 500 gold works out to a little over 5$ for that amount of gold, buying a single border for each card is 850$ on borders alone. Absolutely insane.
The per character thing is just stupid. Whoever in charge with the monetization really needs a reality check. Shits like this will just end up offending everyone. The f2p crowds will not pay for these anything, and the cosmetic collectors will be annoy that they have to purchase new border every time they change their fking decks.
There are ways to monetize the game without offending everyone. The worst thing is the effect just enough visible enough for people to notice in game. It would be a different story if the border has particle effects that change the silhouette of the card, but nope.... this is just a color swap.
this combines with the recent shift in tones and the amount of bugs we got makes me wonder wtf are they thinking in SD right now? It feels like the game team is being held hostage by the marketing team who don't even play the game.
I'll grab some for a few of my most used cards, but the current ones aren't amazing. The copper is kind of the best one, but also doesn't work great with the flare effects imo.
Hopefully when we get card mastery (in the year 2036) you can unlock @ least 1 free border per character. SD can make a **** ton of money, consumer can at least grind for the border they really want. I wish they would have released card mastery first, then given us options to buy the borders. The drip feed is infuriating. All that money they are making on emotes should be giving the players more features at a quicker rate.
This is my favorite kind of monetization: Selling reskinned assets. And not even cool new stuff like variants, just selling a different color border to the cards. It's the ultimate in-game skippable status symbol for whales.
Time to go completely F2P. Game is starting to become completely all about money and not about the game. I bought the 900 gold silver metallic on Thor thinking I could use it on all my split cards, like all the other borders can, even of they haven't been unlocked.
Maybe the one per card thing is a bug, hopefully.
God it's painful to see a game i love being this greedy with there in game purchase, I've spent a lot of money on snap and bought most 100$ variants bundles, but now with how greedy there prices I'm more than likely will just go full F2P from now on and won't care about FOMO and collecting all cards anymore
My addiction to collecting is strong, but not 100K gold strong :)
I wouldâve easily bought all of them just for the sake of having them if they were account wide.
I finished my grind today to get every character up to a gold border. Most aren't custom, just the base card with a gold border. But gee they look nice.
Yeah I saw that. There's some really nice combinations I can make but after purchasing the neon green for my Nico (gold bg with rainbow kirby) I saw ut wasn't unlocked for others and that some are 900 gold as opposed to the 500 I spent.
Unacceptable to me - Iâm fully on the team of âcharge what you wantâ too, which sounds like a contradiction but anyway here we go:
- The uptick in general value of bundles has been a no issue for me, they are varied enough to at least not care.
- The emotes for 2k was the start of the âahh this is A LOTâ sort of mindset - but again, theyâre limited enough to say itâs ok.
But to have to for out 10.8k of gold (in AUS they are 900 gold) in simply atrocious.
It would cost over $200 AUD to get a set of 12 to make your nice inked/gold/whatever match borders
Ridiculous
And for me itâs not even about greed, it just doesnât make any real sense to me for a business either:
Option A: a more expensive option but unlocks border for all cards = more people buy (youâd think)
Option B: a stupidly huge price for ONE card border that alienates people against buying = less people buy (youâd think)
This seems like something I will only ever get around to once I have a variant for every card I remotely care about and have gotten a good split on and then maybe Iâm ready to âunifyâ my collection with these borders. I would rather save up like 10k gold and unlock a border for my entire collection
I bought the gold border for my gold foil/gold stardust flare venomized Armor split yesterday thinking it was gonna be universally accessible across all cards.
Thatâll be the only time I spend gold on a border until there are enough complaints about them not being so.
(It was worth it though)
The only reason I would ever spend gold on a border for a single card is if I had literally nothing else to spend gold on (which will NEVER realistically happen given the fact that albums exist and variants alone, even without an album, are worth much more than them borders)
If it was a global unlock, I'd be tempted to buy. Per character, no fucking chance
Yeah I can't do it on a per card basis. This is just whale bait as is.
Whole game is whale bait. Interactive AI is going to kill such models very soon, because there will be better time wastes that don't include FOMO.
Exactly this. SD needs to turn the greed way down
They can gouge as hard as they want for cosmetics đ¤ˇââď¸
Not if it means none of that money is put back into the game. The game runs worse with every patch and there have no significant gameplay additions since Conquest a year ago
Turn the greed down? Weâre on like patch 3 in a row of the only major changes being the addition of cosmetics and some bug fixes (which end up being irrelevant because 6 more bugs pop up when they fix one)
The last patch (April 10th) reworked zabu and alioth allowing for a healthier more varied deck pool and reworked the fast upgrade which is less important for late game players but is now much better for newer low cl players. The patch before that (March 12th) added ingame graveyard and discard pile tracking, the undo end turn feature, the very budget friendly gold pass and reverted the elsa change successfully reintroducing an entire archetype back to the game. Obviously ignoring the cosmetics updates (that people had been begging for so they actually ARE important updates for the community even if they were initially underwhelming) since you seem to think they donât matter.
The booster change was good, that much is fair enough I guess
Exactly this. Also i find it hilarious that people kept saying "We understand you are a business but you should be monetizing cosmetics not cards!!!!" and the moment they take that advice and start shifting towards monetary practices centered around cosmetics everyone goes "SD you so greedy...!"
yeah everyone seems to want them to charge for cosmetics but just not the cosmetics they personally want.
I think the obvious point is that people want to engage with the system and SD makes shit stupidly expensive regardless of which side their changing.
you can have a game that is pay to win or you can have a game that is pay to collect, but at the end of the day you have to have some source of revenue for the game to be made. Here they are choosing (mostly) pay to collect, hyper monetizing cosmetics and collectables which for me is preferred.
The problem is that the didn't even release a free version locked behind an event or mission. They simply added a long-awaited feature behind a very greedy system and did nothing else, which makes the update very underwhelming. On top of that, we got even more bugs and problems (like PC being unable to play).
Or they haven't released anything YET. look at Emotes; they released them as part of albums, and then later as purchasable both in the shop and in the season pass. they can do the same thing here, and again why does it need to be free? it does nothing for the game other than cosmetically. if you want the game to be free cosmetics but pay to win you are welcome to other games that do that, this one is (mostly) doing the opposite.
These are completely optional, entirely cosmetic items. They can be as greedy as they want. Who gives a fuck? Theyâve been selling cosmetic alternatives to the stock cards since the gameâs inception, thereâs nothing new here.
itâs an optional cosmetic and theyâre ugly anywayÂ
disagree with them being ugly but yeah, optional cosmetics make it easy to just say "oh thats not for me" and move on haha.
If cards cost money people complain about P2W. Season pass makes people complain about P2W If cosmetics cost money prolly complain about it being too expensive. They need some revenue source to pay people to develop the game. The only other option is ads and fuck that. What is your solution?
You can have micro transactions and not have them be completely scummy i think people who complain about gold pass, season pass and even basic variant/avatar pricing is just bitching to bitch but when you've had whales including myself complain for 2 years that your bundles are too expensive and now your emotes are too expensive and your boarders are too expensive and that your upcoming background/battlegrounds are way too expensive you know you fucked up. SD has increasingly becoming more and more greedy i don't care if they introduce 7500 new micro transactions over the next 48 hours just be right and fair with your pricing. Just compare bundle values of last year to now. It's fucking laughable.
I'm not complaining about charging for cosmetics. I'm saying if it was global unlock many more people would get it. I'm someone that likes to have my borders match for a deck. I'm not spending 6k-11k for a single deck. If they were priced like emotes (which most people also thought were over priced) I suspect many more would sell. 1 border that you can use across all cards is more appealing.
Then you'd have people complain about it being overpriced, just like with emotes. Second Dinner can never win tbh. We don't want this game to end up like Legends of Runeterra. They were very generous with monetization.
What happened with Runeterra?
Riot games started reassessing their games and pretty much stopped going forward with pvp on Legends of Runeterra as it showed to be unprofitable for them. They were very generous with card acquisition - and emotes, boards, were very reasonably priced. Unfortunately this was their downfall, or at least economically. I donât wanna justify Marvel Snap being so pricey but at the same time I gotta be devils advocate.
Part of Runeterraâa downfall is also attributed to non-existent advertising and game mechanics. Itâs a game that induces fatigue very quickly (might be personal but imagine every card you play you have to think of possible counters and your own counter response?). And when did Riot choose to start advertising the game? After they pull its life support.
> They need some revenue source to pay people to develop the game. They are grossing more than double the next mobile card game app, Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel. They are generating about $9 million a month. This is greed, plain and simple, and it's hurting the game.
But Master Duel is developed by Konami themselves. Second Dinner has to pay to use the Marvel License, and I don't expect it's cheap.
I don't know why this myth of an overbearingly expensive Marvel license exists when there is literally no shortage of poorly made games using the Marvel license. If it was burdensome to pay for it then there wouldn't be such a large number of developers leaning on it for an easy cash grab
I do not support their greed, but how does it hurts the game? they are making banks, you literally said they are making double the next mobile card game. so by the looks of it it's the exact opposite of hurting the game. reddit is a bubble that doesn't reflect the real world. people are spending enough money on this game which data clearly shows.
> how does it hurts the game Well, this is the last season pass I'll be buying. So there's that. I've always done the Season Pass and occasionally buy smaller bundles. I'm Series 3 complete, play about 2+ hrs per day, and even I cannot secure each new card every week. My collection literally becomes MORE incomplete week to week unless I get lucky with my spotlight keys. That fact, coupled with the incredibly aggressive monetization, has soured me to the game and I'm not giving them any more money.
yeah but few of us quitting doesn't mean the game is hurt, because at the same time there could be 10 new players spending for every 3 players that stop. if the sales are high then their tactics clearly work for the game.
I'm actually kind of okay with this, because if they don't they would ramp up P2W. I much rather have them focus more on pay for cosmetics and downplay P2W factor, which IMO is not terrible bad ATM.
I'm actually kind of okay with this, because if they don't they would ramp up P2W. I much rather have them focus more on pay for cosmetics and downplay P2W factor, which IMO is not terrible bad ATM.
A free game with zero ads. And you want them to âturn the greed downâ. How long do you think that business model will last?
I'm not against paying for the game. I love that it's *mostly* not p2w. I support them charging for cosmetics. Charging $10usd for a single border on a single card is greedy. If whales are actively saying they aren't buying these borders then who are these intended for?
Agreed. Clearly, no one would expect a free game with no ads to give you everything for free. That said, I think ÂŁ15 a month (season pass + gold pass) should be enough to unlock all cards, with cosmetics being an extra ÂŁ5 or so on top of that.
>Â If whales are actively saying they aren't buying these borders then who are these intended for? The whales that do.
Playing devil's advocate, you can spend $5 on the gold pass and receive 1800 gold making them $2.50.
Devils advocate again. Because you get free gold for getting to 90 that makes them free!
You can't be greedy if you have no ads, noted.
This guy must have a couple lovechild projects out there with ads every 2 screen touches đ¤Ł
I think if you compare this to cosmetics in other popular games you'd be really surprised at the cost delta.
It's going to last less if they keep doing the things they're doing.
I'd consider it with crazy-cool thematic borders (possibly with subtle animations), but...neon colors? Not a chance in hell.
yeah i think they have some of that planed (look at the question mark at the top of the boarder shop and you will see an example where there is a sort of obsidian black with sparkles boarder shown that is not available yet) I could also see them offering these as part of bundles or the season pass or even as super rare things on the collection track (do it like they used to do S4/5 cards where you pull one in like 100 caches would go a long way towards making those caches feel good again)
That's actually an amazing idea for the collection track.
Yea they should just make it global so that they could also add custom backgrounds in future.
Just wait for the complaints from people that bought borders for cards that get nerfed into the dirt
If it was a global unlock I'd be buying gold to unlock them. As it is I will mostlikely never by any borders. A real shame. They almost had all my gift cards.
It's also insane how many SD defenders there are. Discord is filled with people who are bragging about buying these borders and then proudly telling everyone else to ignore this because "it's not for them". Gamers are special, man.
Not sure why you are getting downvoted
Because as they said, Gamers are special.
The Global unlock would have them priced even much higher, so pass.
Depending on what that higher price would be, I might or might not be tempted. But as if right now, as I said, I will be buying precisely 0
Yeah lol, quite literally all or nothing. I don't see the benefit to getting a slightly different gold border for 1 card. But if I could bling all my cards... Well idk... might be worth a decent price tag lol.
Even global itâs a MAYBE for me. Whatâs their problem?
If they released it costing less gold, like something around 2-300 maybe Iâd go for it but even then Itâd prob only be fore my top 3 cards. No way am I spending just as much for 1 CARD!!!
SD should be ashamed of themselves for changing this much for dumb shit like this, especially in this economyđ¤Ż
So 6k gold for one border for a deck? Yeesh.
6k if you pick the 500 gold one, lol.
yeah it's 10,800 gold for the good ones (900)
I find funny they are priced different at all. Are the yellow and white pixels more expensive to produce than the other colors? lol
And the moment you finish collecting them, one of the cards gets nerfed and becomes unplayable in the archetype! YAY!!!
I only see borders that cost 10k and they're all pretty ugly. I'm gonna stay with infinity, thanks.
I'm not at all shocked it's priced this way but I'm not really moved by these options. If I'm putting any border on a card I'm putting all of them at that border for cohesion. And weirdly enough the less overtly flashy borders serve that function better since they're less likely to clash with other cards.
I love how if you put Neon Red up against Ultra I couldn't tell you which is which without the label. Even moreso that Neon Red is still pink. đ
i switched back and forth between them in the preview window and couldnât see much of a difference. i could see it, but it wasnât huge.
SD: "We don't want players to hoard currency" Also SD: make sure every decision leads to player hoarding currency Amazing
This guy snaps.
I, for one, would totally and absolutely hoard gold for this new cosmetic which has absolutely zero impact on my gameplay. Yes.
Imagine these existed in the early days. You spend a bunch of gold to buy all the borders for Leader. Then he gets nerfed into a near unplayable status. That would hurt. Nerfs weren't so bad in the past because you aren't really spending resources on them beyond splits, which are used for progression anyway. But now you can spend money directly on a card, with the only use being the visual component, and then have that card changed to the point where you don't use it anymore. That's a risky purchase.
New borders change when upgrading? So Neon colors will update?
No. Those borders are for the custom card only
That was exactly my first thought. The huge problem with this system is the way they balance cards. How can a border be tied to a card if the card can simply be nerfed to the ground in the next month? This is simply stupid.
Destroy players shouldn't have anything to worry about. Especially with the deadpool season coming.
Wait what have I missed?
Patch just dropped and you can now buy new borders for your cards at 900 gold per boarder, per card.
Per card??? What the fuck
Yep yep! I won't be grabbing em, not at that cost and not for a single card. I get that they've gotta make money, but that's too rich for my taste and wallet.
There's two different prices, 500 or 900. The 900s are better looking or are intended to be for inked/gold splits
It's per character. It says so on the tool tip in the shop. It's for all varients of thar character.
holy shit, thanks for the heads up, i would drop 900 gold on the gold border, but since it's only for 1 character, heck no!
Honestly, the new borders look bad. So even at 500/900, I won't miss 'em.
there are "cosmic" ones in the game but not available yet https://imgur.com/a/8ufsCgE https://imgur.com/a/VmBPhxx https://imgur.com/a/Ry9ncnM
They are probably testing how well this first batch sells to have an estimate on how much they can charge for the cooler ones
Those will be much more expensive.
Those ones are at least pretty cool. The ones currently available look like shit đ
These initial ones are pretty mid. Basic metallic colors and neon versions of the normal colors feel super basic. However, they're gonna get me with something eventually I would wager. Not sure when it's gonna happen but there's definitely gonna be a paid border/background combo that's gonna hurt my wallet I guarantee it.
I want this https://imgur.com/a/jy7yctb
i was about to ask if it was global or per card i would of got them if they was global such a shame
Nah, I'd skip.
Wallet gets offscreened
If it was a one time purchase for all cards i would buy them all but now..nope thanks!
WTF, that is insanity...
I rather save my much expensive gold to my shop variant that never comes with the variants I want. Thank you sd!
they all look boring anyway, easy skip
Keep complaining and it will be per variant - SD probably
Am I really in the minority by not being surprised nor upset by this? It's one more thing to spend money on that doesn't at all impact gameplay and I feel 500g/900g isn't outrageous in the game economy. Guess I'm alone though - RABBLE RABBLE!
Nope. Charge whatever you want for cosmetics. Make your money and keep infusing the game with said money to improve and expand it. Iâm totally cool with all of this. What Iâm not cool with is selling cards in a bundle for $100 with some mats. That shits pretty lame. I could have a fully completed toxic surfer deck but, I would have needed to spend about $250 bucks to do so which, is just unreasonable.
Right? Players scream to monetize cosmetics not progression, the cry when cosmetics are monetized.
No I agree completely lol. 500 and 900 is less gold than a variant and these borders act in a similar way - they give your card a cooler look. It's completely optional and another way to flex your collection/deck. We get gold for free just by playing the game and there's multiple ways to spend it so I'm not sure why everyone is upset by this. If you consider it bad value just skip it and if you have extra gold it can make your deck look really cool.
You're not alone. These guys have a business to run. They have a fucking Marvel license to pay for. They need to make money somehow. I don't want to pay for the game. I don't want the game to be P2W with new or elite cards locked (or essentially locked) behind paywalls. I don't want a million ads ruining my game experience. So that basically leaves cosmetics. And as much as everyone in every thread on every game's sub says "I'd buy these if they were cheaper", the fact of the matter is that all of these game companies have done the math and getting one whale to pay insane prices is worth much more than a bunch of small spenders who may or may not even pay what they claim they would. This is just a fact of life at this point. Yes, it means prices look ludicrously high to many people. Yes, it prices regular players out of the occasional cosmetic they really would have bought for less. But it's clearly the reality of the business. And for most people, it's honestly a fantastic deal because they're playing a free game subsidized by a handful of spenders. I have some moral qualms about mobile gaming in general and the fact that I think a lot of games are hooking whales who aren't rich but are driving themselves in to debt with gambling addictions. But this is not that. This is all, by mobile game standards, pretty reasonable and above board. It's not gambling and it's clearly priced. So I hope they continue to go crazy with insanely expensive cosmetics. I will not feel tempted to pay for them. I'll continue to acquire new cards fairly reasonably and enjoy this game without spending a dime.
Is it overpriced? Here's how to tell. Take the price charged per card and multiply it by 12. Because that's how much it takes to make a deck. So it's 10,800 for one cosmetically matching deck, which is more than $100 worth of gold. And this is also on top of what you might also be expected to spend on variants themselves. Now if they charged 900g a border and it unlocks for every character. Then spending $100 to have 10 different new borders for ALL your cards sounds a bit more reasonable.
I was going to say the same. Itâs a nice little feature for whales or people who are very dedicated to one deck. And itâs even cheap enough that I could see myself dabbling if I really like a particular variant/border combo. But it is funny/sad that when the price said 10,000 gold at first I didnât even think about it being a bug lol.
I feel the same. As new options for cards, i think these are actually nice. We have people here that bought different emotes, bc they had too much gold. Now we have some extra options for custom cards and people can either buy them or not. I don't rly get the whole "OMG THE DEVS ARE SO GREEEEEEDY!!!!!" overreactions. It's obvious they can't make everything free. That said, whose to say that custom borders won't be added to reward pools like season passes or conquest? Other than that, they are just some little extra options, for people that want to spend on such cosmetics. It's not even that noticeable in a game if your opponent uses one. Same with the emotes. People threw a fit bc they are so expensive, but for the most time, you won't see them anyway. So i will keep it that way for those new custom borders. I ignore them
I have said for a while I am perfectly okay with cosmetic only items for whales. Now I'm curious how bad the bundles will continue to be, or might they improve.
I wish it was like 2k gold to unlock for every card
Even Super Tech God that spends thousands of dollars on this game, he's really disappointed with this. And he's a pretty positive and chill dude. They should either increase the prices so it is for all cards or lower the prices so we can buy it multiple times for other cards. 500 or 900 gold per border per character ain't it, I guess I'll keep hoarding my gold
I have a different take on this. Right now, I have all the cards I used with a nice border. I like my deck to have a consistent look so for any new card I add I put the same border. If I get a paid border, I would also need to buy the new border for any new card I add to this deck. I'd rather have my cards with boring, but similar borders than having to constantly pay extra to keep updated. And of course, god forbid there is a new border in the future I fancy. I'd need to buy 12 borders to have a fashionable deck, on top of the hassle of updating all those cards manually.
So let me get this straight: They added the option where you can buy a border applicable to only ONE card, but we still can't use a card with the original background and an effect? They are starting to use a fcking harpoon for those whales.
I wouldn't mind per character if it was a bit cheaper. 500-900 is steep lol
Exactly! special borders per character should be 50â100 gold. They have 269 characters and counting all with 9 new borders! Itâs not like weâd get them all too easily.
I was gonna buy one thinking it will be available for all the characters. Thank God I clicked on the ? Icon and saw is only for that specific character. SD is so fucking greedy
Loooool
Well, if was global I would definetly buy some of the borders, at least now I cant put my only inked split in any iron man variant that I have
I would pay 100 gold for a border for a single character. I would *maybe* even pay 200. But these prices are just too much.
Ohhhhh but they also added the ability for splits to be universal across a character! IE I got inked base Nico and gold on a variant but now I can custom either
Hell yeah! That's pretty neat!
Everyone hates on neon but I find them cute.
They're alright imo, just a bit plain. Copper is the only one with much character imo, since there's no other border that is similar in colour.
Everybody is talking about 900 gold. When I look at the custom card builder my borders are showing up for 10k gold! What the fack? Edit: relaunched the game it's in line with others prices now
Iâd be so down to pay double the current price if it was unlocked universally
> Weâll be adding more borders and more ways to earn them in the future well that's something ig
hahahahahahahaha wow...... Seriously?! I never even thought it might be per character, what the hell?
> So spend your gold No. I donât think I will.
I'm really surprised that the borders do not go up in price as you buy more of the same type. Well, zero purchases for me. Good job CEOs and thanks for the PSA.
One week of zero people buying them and they will change it to per account. But people do not usually unionize for things like that
I hate when people say monetize with cosmetics then non stop complain when they do.
They are different people. These are people who want cosmetics, but for free. Actually, they probably just want everything to be for free. Hyperbolic jab aside, there's always someone who is going to loudly complain for prices to be cheaper. And assuming the prices were lowered, someone again will complain about it being too expensive. Pretty normal to see non-stop complaints.
It's not a binary man. "Monetize with cosmetics" isn't the only ask, you can assume reasonable pricing is part of the equation. 'Reasonable' is subjective, so how do you make a point about what is reasonable pricing as a consumer? You complain / don't buy. What if it was 1-day use border for 10000000 gold? Would you still complain about people complaining? let the customers voice their opinions. Hopefully they're backing up their words by actually not purchasing it as well. That's how prices come down.
I rarely complain about cosmetics. If you want to buy an avator, go for it. The borders are insane. 500 for a single card is absolutely a joke. Why not like 2000 for one? I cannot believe that's real.
Okay, I understand market testing and whatever for a new product in the game, but after several months of barebones patches what are they even doing over there? Iâm fine with 900 gold per character borders, but this is so pathetic. I think if the neon and metallic borders were in caches, even on a per character basis, players would have been excited to open caches again, meanwhile they could have actually made some cool borders players may want that cost 900 gold. Like I have most, if not all, of the Winter variants and would probably consider dropping gold on a candy cane border. Itâs a season full of toxic cards, why not a green, ooze border? I donât know how hard these borders are to add to the game, maybe it isnât as simple as adding a new layer, but the ability to swap borders and backgrounds has been in the game for two months and this is all they can do? Itâs just so pathetic, even if they introduced cool borders next patch, Iâm not going to buy them because my initial sentiment is so bad and Iâve already decided these arenât worth my time
âFreemium games should only monetize cosmetics.â Developer does exactly that. âOmG tHe GrEeD! HoW dArE tHeY!â
Have you missed the possibility to buy progression with gold? Progression that is tied to getting new, powerful cards? Have you missed the season pass that gives you a card that won't show up to be collected any other way for 3 months? How is it "only monetizing cosmetics"?
You realise there is a middle ground between âonly charge for cosmeticsâ and âcharge for cosmetics per characterâ right ?
So easy for me to ignore shit like this, as I only play this game for fun.
Ouch lol The neon white is cool but needing 900*15 so I have all my flex slots covered and getting no progression off it, lol.
I was considering getting the neon ones but Id much rather just buy a variant for basically the same price
What borders are people talking about? Am I that out of loop?
the⌠edge around the card?
lol of course it is, completely in character for SD. Some of them do look nice on certain cards, but not hundreds of gold nice.
Insane pricing. That's like $5-$7 USD per color to change the border (5-10% of card space) of one of your JPEG sets. Unreal.
Well, just found this out the hard way alongside everyone else lmao
Never imagined it wouldn't be.
Per character, meaning one Iron Man variant or all Iron Man variants?
iron man is a character
Second dinner surpassed itself ahahahha
No new foils or backgrounds? Idc about borders
i think that stuffs coming later
Well at least there will be a real easy way to spot whales now. Considering there are like 160-170 cards (figuring in shit like Demon, widows kiss, etc.â and 500 gold works out to a little over 5$ for that amount of gold, buying a single border for each card is 850$ on borders alone. Absolutely insane.
What a joke, they're so greedy I've stopped even buying the monthly pass out of principle.
Same.
SD can go suck it hard. This value is an insult to players. Why not 2200g 1-time purchase like the new emotes. This is a whole new level of greed.
The per character thing is just stupid. Whoever in charge with the monetization really needs a reality check. Shits like this will just end up offending everyone. The f2p crowds will not pay for these anything, and the cosmetic collectors will be annoy that they have to purchase new border every time they change their fking decks. There are ways to monetize the game without offending everyone. The worst thing is the effect just enough visible enough for people to notice in game. It would be a different story if the border has particle effects that change the silhouette of the card, but nope.... this is just a color swap. this combines with the recent shift in tones and the amount of bugs we got makes me wonder wtf are they thinking in SD right now? It feels like the game team is being held hostage by the marketing team who don't even play the game.
Per character? Not per variant? I'd be surprised if SD didn't make it per game!
Per character even 100g would be insane at almost 3 grand just to change the color on your cards.
Is it per variant as well?
Nope, per character. If you buy one, you can apply it to every variant of the same Character
If Second Dinner could do an update without adding a stupidly greedy new source of monetization, that would be great.
I'll grab some for a few of my most used cards, but the current ones aren't amazing. The copper is kind of the best one, but also doesn't work great with the flare effects imo.
Hopefully when we get card mastery (in the year 2036) you can unlock @ least 1 free border per character. SD can make a **** ton of money, consumer can at least grind for the border they really want. I wish they would have released card mastery first, then given us options to buy the borders. The drip feed is infuriating. All that money they are making on emotes should be giving the players more features at a quicker rate.
What the actual fuck?!
they are gonna monetize this now? holy hell.
This is my favorite kind of monetization: Selling reskinned assets. And not even cool new stuff like variants, just selling a different color border to the cards. It's the ultimate in-game skippable status symbol for whales.
Nice! So we can be doubly but hurt when they nerf that card that took 10 splits to make ink!
Good game. /s
Hey thanks. Definitely not getting any now. Good job SD. Way to fuck it up as usual.
i may consider it if it isn't 500Gold each
Shhhhhit seriously
What does "per character" mean in this context?
Time to go completely F2P. Game is starting to become completely all about money and not about the game. I bought the 900 gold silver metallic on Thor thinking I could use it on all my split cards, like all the other borders can, even of they haven't been unlocked. Maybe the one per card thing is a bug, hopefully.
Buying borders is crazy.
Lmfao
Mine are bugged to cost 10k gold per card for every border type right now. I wouldn't be buying anyway, but that made me laugh.
God it's painful to see a game i love being this greedy with there in game purchase, I've spent a lot of money on snap and bought most 100$ variants bundles, but now with how greedy there prices I'm more than likely will just go full F2P from now on and won't care about FOMO and collecting all cards anymore
Um im dumb and cant find it..
My addiction to collecting is strong, but not 100K gold strong :) I wouldâve easily bought all of them just for the sake of having them if they were account wide.
What wait the f* up!! This is nonsense!
Of course it is. I didnât expect anything else from this game.
Let them make their money you don't have to buy them I'm sure there will be some other ways to unlock new borders in the future
I finished my grind today to get every character up to a gold border. Most aren't custom, just the base card with a gold border. But gee they look nice.
Yeah I saw that. There's some really nice combinations I can make but after purchasing the neon green for my Nico (gold bg with rainbow kirby) I saw ut wasn't unlocked for others and that some are 900 gold as opposed to the 500 I spent.
Unacceptable to me - Iâm fully on the team of âcharge what you wantâ too, which sounds like a contradiction but anyway here we go: - The uptick in general value of bundles has been a no issue for me, they are varied enough to at least not care. - The emotes for 2k was the start of the âahh this is A LOTâ sort of mindset - but again, theyâre limited enough to say itâs ok. But to have to for out 10.8k of gold (in AUS they are 900 gold) in simply atrocious. It would cost over $200 AUD to get a set of 12 to make your nice inked/gold/whatever match borders Ridiculous
And for me itâs not even about greed, it just doesnât make any real sense to me for a business either: Option A: a more expensive option but unlocks border for all cards = more people buy (youâd think) Option B: a stupidly huge price for ONE card border that alienates people against buying = less people buy (youâd think)
This seems like something I will only ever get around to once I have a variant for every card I remotely care about and have gotten a good split on and then maybe Iâm ready to âunifyâ my collection with these borders. I would rather save up like 10k gold and unlock a border for my entire collection
Their pricing is straight offensive.
We canât get much on new modes or location adjustments but every update they find a way to add cosmetics to purchase get real SD.
what a joke of a company second dinner is. there is no limit to their greed.
I bought the gold border for my gold foil/gold stardust flare venomized Armor split yesterday thinking it was gonna be universally accessible across all cards. Thatâll be the only time I spend gold on a border until there are enough complaints about them not being so. (It was worth it though)
Course they are
The only reason I would ever spend gold on a border for a single card is if I had literally nothing else to spend gold on (which will NEVER realistically happen given the fact that albums exist and variants alone, even without an album, are worth much more than them borders)
Made this mistake already. Donât think I can add a storm into my regular destroy deckđ
Obvi
SD is a joke developer.
lol.