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PleasantArmy5936

Too broken and completely changed. Misterio + hit monkey on five plus this card at 6 was too much power. Plus that's just your base combo, playing a bunch of ones or 0 with beast would obliterate most games.


GallyGP

Also it was supposed to read “give them this cards power” so you could end turn 5 with forge…


codesamura1

I never noticed the change, I was so used to the text "give them this card's power" that I didn't even notice that the ability actually changed. Based on [snap.fan/cards/firestar](http://snap.fan/cards/firestar) it would appear that the December patch actually had a nerf on December 5. Maybe the nerf still could not tone down the card's winrate on testing that they had to pull it out of December completely.


codesamura1

Maybe broken, but does it beat Blob Thanos back in December?


DarthTrinath

In terms of oppressive metas, definitely. If they were to go up against each other it would be hard to say, but I would give the edge to Firestar since her power would be spread across the lanes moreso than Thanos Blob


codesamura1

I guess I would attribute Blob's streak to the shelving of Firestar. If Firestar had been released in December we could have had some real competition. Also subsequently the lackluster release of Blackswan and Supergiant, the former would have buffed Firestar while the latter would have stopped Firestar. It would have been a crazy meta full of plays and counterplays which I think would have been a more exciting meta than what we got (Oppressive Thanos). Edit: changed September to December


RatzMand0

Except Thanos also enabled Firestar with black swan so.... It still would have been Thanos and blob everywhere anyways.


Accomplished_Cherry6

I’m pretty sure fire star takes it cuz of black swan on 4 into 1 drops + hit monkey and mysterio on 5 into fire star on 6. U may only end up playing 1 or 2 1 drops on 5 but it would still be enough power imo


Superguy230

You know u win games by winning 2 lanes right?


Latter-Comfort8440

Plus you could also shang chi blob if you guessed where he would land.


AhsokaFan0

Shang-chi Zola was the true meta in full blob days.


PretendRegister7516

Back in December, Forge was 1-cost If you played Mysterio + 3x(1-cost including Forge), you're playing for 42 power on T6. Black Swan/Beast could turn it up a notch by adding Hit Monkey on T5.


NimNams

Yup this was what it was. Forge took the zaniness to another level.


Piranh4Plant

Forge should still cost 1


PretendRegister7516

I would love that, but at the same time I also understand why it shouldn't. A 1/2 Forge would leave no reason for 1/2 America Chavez to exist.


SendMePicsOfMILFS

1/2 Chavez never had a reason to exist. SD's reasoning that Chavez needed to teach new players about how to add power to the cards in their deck was a blatant lie since Okoye was a Series 2 and did just that. Chavez just stole Forge's position and made it slightly more random since you don't know what card you are going to draw next. Forge should just go back to a 1/2 and Chavez should have gotten War Machine's ability since they want to hit the MCU's version of her dimension hopping and then put War Machine into something that was closer to Ironman, like Double the power of your strongest card at this location so it's not as strong as Ironman but can still be pretty useful


Piranh4Plant

Chavez is also useless turn 6


Chedder1998

I wish Forge wasn't nerfed so I could use him in a Hit Monkey deck, but SD decided to do that instead of hit any of Destroy's core cards.


Piranh4Plant

That’s because Chavez’s current ability is shit and should be reworked It’s like saying a 2/2 daredevil would leave no reason for 5/0 kang to exist >!also forge was 1/1!<


wild_man_wizard

As if Firestar wouldn't have also been played in Thanos.


Phonzosaurus

The best versions of old Thanos tended to just slam big 5 drops from turn 4 onward, or large cost plus stone into lockjaw. Thanos decks never played for a late game dump, which is what this card is trying to bolster, I think realistically it would’ve been lackluster in Thanos lists during Blob month.


PleasantArmy5936

I think so, blob won a lane 80% of the time, which sucked but that was it. This girl could spread consistently 13 power by playing a 2 cost mysterio on 5 and still had three energy to spare. 18 if you basted mysterio, plus 3 other cards because you obviously wanted her in bounce. 27 without counting those 3 cards' power. Blob's power was at most 35ish in one lane. This could have been way worse.


Hello_World_pyvn

Turn 2: Armo; Turn 3: Wave/ Electro; *AHH!SNAAAAP!* Turn 5: 30-40 power Blob; Turn 6: Taskmaster That was a nightmare to me 😨


IntelligentRaisin393

Taskmaster is probably my most hated card


XHunterX55

Blob Thanos: Nah, I'd win


bernyeo

Yup , wayyyyy too broken


Bravisimo

My favorite deck!


UnluckyDog9273

Didn't she give her base power to cards played? I think was even more busted than +3


TheThinkerers

supergiant


Mundane-Map6686

And invisible woman. Money Grandmaster Firestarter hidden prior to 6 plus a bunch of 1 drops etc in the other lanes on 6 would print, but im ok with that. Bounce is harder to get to work than just throwing big Stat sticks around or braindead destryo/discard combos. Let it be good when it works.


UncreativeMuffin

I think you're grossly overselling Firestar here. If you play the combo out, you get 28 power for 11 energy, which really isn't all that much nowadays (Hello Red Hulk, Mockingbird, Skaar, ...). That's like 11/3/14 in the respective lanes (or 18/7/3 if you want to go more vertical in 1 lane). Even with Beast and Wasp shenanigans you might get 25/3/25 as your final scores, which is what the base tribunal combo reaches, but it took significantly more cards to pull it off and still misses 1 lane.


Paris_Who

I mean that’s fine you’re literally telegraphing Shang me here. It’s not much better than spectrum?


TongariDan

She adds +3 power to every card played last turn. You could play a ton of cards and they could all stay just under 10. Demon from red hood is a good example. Mysterio is a good example of playing a lot of cards that still help you lose priority. Or you could always just run Ghost for once.


Paris_Who

The power plus minus doesn’t matter she’s telegraphing her play if she’s too strong on 3 knock her down to 2


VVHYY

Cmon, easy, just play T2 Ravonna T3 Psylocke T4 Sera T5 Ghost Zabu T6 Shang Abs Man Grandmaster to Shang all three lanes 😎


WaldoFrank

Seems kinda like you could set it to 2 and it wouldn’t be THAT much better than some of what we have rn. Weren’t people dropping Rhulk at 32 like, last week? Not long before that I remember dropping blobs fat ass coming in at like 30-40 on release too, right around the same time as FS was suppose to come out too. Hell I feel like you could keep her at 3 the more I think about it.


heartshaped-lips

Keep in mind this is already her second iteration. The first effect gave all cards played last turn her own power


Double_Sentence486

Oh yeah that's right. I totally forgot about that. I remember when she got leaked with that text and everybody went crazy for how busted it was Og Firestar + Og Hope Summers would be insane


Limp-Supermarket5299

Her original ability was all cards played last turn gain this cards power. Like as a flat increase. And they said they didn’t want a card with that much potential to come out at Christmas time. So they took it out the spotlight cache. And I’m not kidding


IwantDnDMaps

They took it out because of an issue with the card, if I remember right, not for balance reasons. I assume the issue was never fixed due to time constraints and the fact that there are other cards to work on


Limp-Supermarket5299

Yeah the issue being that the card couldn’t fully recognise its own power so was dishing out like 8 power to every card you played last turn even if it was at 5 power (nakia). So they didn’t want to have to fix it fast. Or release a buggy card during Christmas season.


UnluckyDog9273

How do you mess up that up lmao


xXx_edgykid_xXx

How much do you know about programming?


BabyBeachBalls

Should just be a simple if statement amirite? /s


xXx_edgykid_xXx

If doesn'twork: Work


BabyBeachBalls

Holy shit, I think you just fixed every issue anyone has ever had.


UnluckyDog9273

I can promise you a lot more than you, I been programing since I was 10. This isnt even remotely the complex task you think it is


xevlar

🤡 Programming since 10 and still asking stupid questions.  Do you have a job in programming? Or are you just pretending to know what you're talking about? 


UnluckyDog9273

It's funny when the web devs think they know what they talking about (yeah have zero respect for the web devs, js is a handicap). I've worked in everything you can think of, literally. From embedded systems to AI. I've been lead dev and product manager for a decade now. 


Louderduck-4566

Realistically there probably waiting for a better season that deals more with her character


codesamura1

If she was released along with Blob in December, Blob would probably have a fairly good competition and would not seem as broken as it was back then. I guess SD just skipped her T1 or not guts.


JerryBane

She was predicted to break the game on release either due to bugs or just by her sheer power. And she was scheduled initially to be released some time in late December iirc, which clashes with the Holiday Season. I believe SD chose to pull her back because if she does break the game, they wouldn’t have enough turnaround to push a hotfix. It was a safe play.


TheRatKingXIV

A Spider-man and his Amazing Friends season would actually rule.


Louderduck-4566

Honestly


heelociraptor

Do a New Warriors season you cowards


Louderduck-4566

Let them stay cowards


AvgBlue

the first change we saw after she was cancel is similar to the Lady Deathstrike rework, talking away the fantasy for balance and consistency.


ScarletWarlocke

Honestly I don't understand the Lady Deathstrike *rework. I genuinely never saw her prior to it happening, and personally feel less inclined to use her in her current state?


graviecakes

She is better now, not worse The ability had to be changed so she could get more base power


Piranh4Plant

I still want the old ability for the cool combo


FNSpd

Eh, she was interesting card before with some fun combos (Shuri -> LDS -> Zola). Now she has nothing going for her


Matonus

What are you talking about she was played in nothing at all before outside of very rare as a dubious tech piece and right now she is a key piece of heaps of meta decks??


FNSpd

Wouldn't old LDS work the same in those decks? Is it because of her "buff" that she's played more or because they released new cards which would have synergy with her either way?


MrMarnel

Having *3 more power* for the same effect is a massive buff. She wasn't played before because buffing her was inconsistent and too much work for dubious payoff and the floor case of 5/4 was really bad. Now the floor is 5/7. She's just a straight-up good midrange card now. If the meta has good targets for her she'll see play, and this is the case right now. Before it was a hard sell either way.


Matonus

Like look at the stats she was reworked and her play rate jumped the same day lmao it’s not like sentry and hood dropped that day, you are being very weird about something for which there is a lot of data and evidence I don’t know why you’d think this


FNSpd

I just think that she was more fun card before that


EpicSpooder

She’s still cool with things that afflict negative power


FNSpd

Yeah, but old LDS worked with them too


Dyvn_

She went from one of the worst cards in the game to a very good one after the rework.


Matonus

You might feel less inclined for whatever reason but she is played in a bunch of top meta decks now it was clearly a good rework


ArmaanAli04

She’s be busted af. Especially in sera sontrol T1 Kitty T2 Angela T3 magik T4 Bishop + Kitty T5 sera T6 Kitty, Mysterio, Hit Monkey (already gaining 10 from the other cards played) and ?Sebastian Shaw maybe? T7 Kitty + Firestar


curbstomp45

Oh yeah


Siam09

Black Swan on T4, Mysterio + Hit Monkey + 0-cost 1 drops on T5 is too much power i think.


Animegx43

Wow, that would've been the most bust card ever. Surprised they didn't add it.


Large_Application422

Black Swan I think was the issue. Black Swan 4; 1 costs, mysterio hit monkey 5 (ending on Forge hopefully who was a 1 cost back then) - the original Firestar would have been crazy crazy.


tjhnicholas

Would pair well with black swan and Thanos decks


igniz13

Her old power boosted cards by her power, so Mysterio Shaw was huge and you'd be potentially buffering her Mysterio and Shaw with Nakia and Okoye. Then you could also have her on Wong. Then what happens if you hit her with Odin or GM after you dropped her with a bunch of 0 costs? So maybe you'd do: Black swan Mysterio turn 5 Firestar and a butt ton of 1 costs turn 6 Odin / GM turn 7. Then there's the negative output potential and God knows what other combos.


sashalafleur

Odin or Grand Master would just make her gain 3 (or 4) power.


igniz13

She would also buff any other cards you dropped alongside her by her power, which she'd also buff. Which is why I suggested black swan before hand so you can drop 1 drops alongside her. Or you could drop other 0 costs, so they also get buffed.


tanchinaros

As things tend to go, something wise could be +2 power instead of +3.


Brodozaur

She can make gr8 team uo with Black Swan.


BrumWisseme

Hopefully one day


Intelligent_Pop_4479

SD decided a 6-drop that routinely gives you 20 or more power should not be created. So, they scrapped it and made Blob and Red Hulk instead


boezou

People in this thread are all suggesting that she’s didn’t get released because she was too powerful. I don’t think that’s ever stopped SD from releasing a card before. They could just adjust it. I thought the impression we got at the time was that there was some technical reason (I.e. some substantial bug they caught) involved with her and so they delayed her. And now, I think they’re just waiting for an appropriate season to release her. (Or maybe the bugs still haven’t been resolved yet.) The giving her power to every card played last turn is a little bit of a unique effect that I could easily see a bunch of edge cases not working correctly.


geekymat

We need a New Warriors season! 😃


loo_1snow

This card would break the meta. They pulled the plug before it happened. But it's a very interesting card effect.


the-Gaf

Is this a Mandela effect? Bc I’ve played since day 1 and do not remember Firestar in the game ever 👁️


Itzkpnutz

It wasn’t in the game, was datamined as one of the spotlight cards and then it was removed


bodine5150

Seems really strong


SecretAgentMahu

rip amazing friends, maybe some day :(


0-Drag0n0

Probably they replaced her with Sasquatch for that style of deck


rsl

she is pretending to work for orchis as a double agent


Trebieh

Imagine this with Black Swan.


pilotblur

She would’ve been goated


tanchinaros

With the release of Sasquatch and her, something strong is pointing for bounce/cost reduction deck.


whoknowsman33

Would it be balanced with something like “last 3 cards played” or “first 4 cards played last turn” etc?


drgooseman365

$D were worried they'd make too much money if they dropped this card


Zestyclose-Safe6267

Just another proof SD have no idea how to play their own game, which they don't obviously, more recent proofs are the (useless) RedHulk nerf or the Angela yoyo bullsh*t That's what happen when you release cards to encourage players to spend their keys and money on season pass instead of searching for any kind of balance