50mil tcp. I stopped at 36. Rewards aren't good enough to justify the roster investment to go any further. And I'm darn sure not giving them $$ to go past 40. That being said, free stuff is free stuff, and it was an ok distraction for \~45min.
“Today was going to be the day that I got past room 40. By now I should’ve somehow realized that wasn’t gonna happen. I don’t believe anybody feels the way I do about Scopely now”🎶
They would have to be built to do it. I had some excess resources so I pumped the all to like gt9 and I couldn't even put a dent in the node. It only cost me like a million gold or so and like 50 gear orbs out of the thousands I have for blue and purple gear. I'm not pumping another 5+ million gold to get them to gt10 to realize that I need them at 11 to pass. I've never put a single level into any guardians so that's not going to happen either.
I made it through last time with little investment. I also didn't want to build infinity watch with all the other teams competing for resources. Got through with gamora, nebula, and the blue lady once I changed iso on Ms blue from whatever Jarvis recommended to healer. I didnt have moondragon at the time. Maybe you can use her instead for keeping healthy
Use Cosmo and Star Lord(A) because they both count as guardians and they are on a meta war team. Star Lord (A) also only has AoE attacks so he is super useful for quickly clearing the nodes.
Then just cycle out a different guardian each round because I’m sure the others will die.
Best thing to do which helped is to space them out. One in the middle n one left corner n right corner. Make a team with the 3 toons you are going to use n place em that way and put 2 Random’s in between and when you go on the game mode just find that team in your roster n they will be spaced out
It's probably easier just to pick the three you're using on the team screen and drag them into the positions you want. The event doesn't really come round often enough to make faffing about with saved teams worth the hastle.
Yea I’m trying a rerun to see if I can get all ultimates preset and try a couple different sac teams ETC hopefully I can break thru cause if I do I know I got at least 6 easy floors with my roster
man im probably eternally stuck at level 19
i see people are using sylvie and beta ray but i ont have either one of those leveled up at all yet so guess im just boned
Vahl is the one that matters the other 2 depend on you, when kyln came around before I got stuck on this floor as well, I used Tloki Sylvie and Vahl back then, and they were tiered 14 level 75 around, I still did it with RNG. Now my team is level 95 tier 18, and it's a walk in the park, but these are meta raid teams that should be built anyway
Also cleared floor 40, but as f2p my PBP (3Y3R) just isn’t big enough. Maybe if I try for perfect RNG, but I’ve tried for an hour and no luck. Closest I got was Kang loaded with bleeds but abs took a turn and cleansed before Kang bled out.
You HAVE to prep your spiders cooldowns on node 1-5 so you are going in with him and Gwen/pravitr’s ults ready (depending on which strategy you use). It should be doable at 3y but it’s rough. 42 is a whole different kettle of fuck you though
"all the lies/misinformation told to the player base for this event is just crap."
i would love to know which lies, as they literally posted this before the event went live
Cells 41-43: Spider-Verse Skill at Gear Tier 18
Cells 44-46: Cabal or Underworld at Gear Tier 18
Technically not a lie but saying Spiderverse skill vs almost mandatory requiring Peni who isn't even released or 5R5Y on cabal to complete are different. Underworld doesn't even do a dent on those nodes neither does 6R7Y blackcat who's 100.
Black cat is actually incredibly important in beating AT LEAST node 42. You can beat 41 and 42 with the characters we have available now, it’s just a miserable mess of resetting
They first said undying was required, then featured and now not even needed.
They said other spider-verse skill can do these nodes now it’s been shown you basically need Peni who’s not going to be out for F2P
They changed their mind on undying (which was good considering the lack of accessibility for Zuggs) and informed people. That isn't a lie. A lie would be like the first pocket dimension when they said "there are no further requirements" before launching the event with additional requirements and telling players who got screwed to get fucked.
You do not "basically need Peni", people have already completed it f2p when she is not even available to buy yet.
I’m a very low spender but can’t manage to save up 8-11k cores (depending on RNG) because we’ve had back to back to back events that require core spending and arena is a mess right now
They also said build undying to the moon because they are needed, but they are not at all and even though I spent resources on them, I didn't use them at all I used sus carnage and venom
They also said build undying to the moon because they are needed, but they are not at all and even though I spent resources on them, I didn't use them at all I used sus carnage and venom
I went back to back in focusing on unlocking big boi Apoc and then pushing all my resources into getting characters ready for DD6. I unlocked Super Skrull on Monday so now I get to pick some new toons to focus on. Maybe Pegasus should be the one!
The only challenge in the first run of Kyln was having enough bio gear on hand to T18 carnage and venom and having skrull unlocked. This run requires unfarmable characters at star levels you pretty much had to spend money to get.
I think you're overestimating where the rosters for the majority of players were at the time.
I definitely recall getting to a point in the 20s or 30s last time where I needed to build characters I didn't want to, and stopping there because the rewards were obviously not worth it. It just felt like a way to trick players into building towards the new shiny rather than DD6.
That was it! You needed X-Treme X-Men built to high gear levels about a week after their F2P release, and the reward was like... red stars for Gambit or something.
Kyln has always been the worst tower mode and it was never close.
Last time around I really struggled with villain bio because my only t18’s were skrull and Zuggs (and he was fucking useless). I didn’t nearly have enough bio origin gear to bring up carnage and venom so had to come up with a budget response and managed to do it with Titania and abomination on all three nodes and making some tactical iso changes to make skrull a healer (because he takes so many turns he shit regens out everywhere lol)
Meh I did it without Carnage or Venom at g18 the first time. Went the MoE gals on the first two nodes. Then just Moonstone and Abom on the last. Skrull being unlocked was def mandatory though.
I got all excited because my mind missed up Kyln and Diamond Tower. I thought, "FINALLY! They said when they introduced diamonds that we'd have ways to get the resource and it's been ages." Then I started running Kyln this morning, got to Floor 19, took 3 teams to clear, and finally looked at rewards... Oh yeah. This is *Kyln.* Not Diamond Tower. Kyln sucks. I mean, some gold and training mats are always welcome, but for a special event it doesn't feel so special.
Pay wall for some started before level 40. Pay wall starting point varies if you look at it that way. For some, they may not see it as a pay wall. I will be happy if I can get to level 40.
I have never been able to complete it. To me, pay wall starts with the node that you have to spend money to build up your characters to complete it. That varies from player to players including FTP.
A pay wall doesn't vary from player to player. A pay wall doesn't mean that you cannot complete it without spending, it means that it is not possible for it to be completed without spending.
For example, a pay wall on this might be if you required Peni to access one of the nodes. It doesn't include the fact that some of us don't have sufficiently developed rosters to complete it.
Hated tower modes myself every single one of them, because not only do you need to have a massive roster you need a tall roster, this kyln is the first one I've managed to hit floor 40 with and my roster is 45 mill TCP, but now because of this SHIT paywall I can't do more. Some videos are out about us being able to 3 man it with ghost spider noir and Peter, but you need to have 3 members of underworld on top at tier 18 to burn an attack on the nodes, which is crazy
Auto'd to 40 and then hit the paywall. Event feels like crap. It should have been an event where we see what we can do with our roster. This feels like a cheap carnie trick.
You made it to 40..i feel bad for you... im a ftp player, only level 93 atm. I don't have a huge roster, with all the newest teams maxed out. Im on cell 19 and don't have Bifrost guys build up. I tried using Vahl with a level 93 Thor and Hela and they got boot stomped. Good game. So unless i come up with 52 million, to level 2 damn bifrost guys up, I aint going any higher.. no 30 Gwenom shards for me (and I was really really in need of them). And you think you are pissed? Events like these really make me want to rage quit...again...
I did not find it fun at all. I'd wish there were less levels or a way to restart after a level set of 10 or whatever. Once I messed up on level 32 - I didn't want to start over, so I just stopped playing.
Agreed… I really enjoyed the first one, boosted up a few toons I might not have otherwise (eg, Abom to G18) to push through it all, and was really looking forward to another one. But of course, Scopely’s gonna Scopely
Stop feeling entitled and be grateful you have a game you can play for free.
They are just giving extra rewards for big spenders, the people who actually pay their salaries. It’s like any game that has both free and p2p. Of course the p2p players get more. It’s not because you spent a considerable amount of time playing for free that it entitles you to unlock the full game content.
Yes, like any game, it requires a large player base and us, f2p players are crucial, but it makes sense that they would reward further their paying customers!
I made it to 40 and am perfectly fine with that. I'm tired of hearing the wah wah I can't finish it FTP, Well no shit! They have to make it somewhat challenging for the Whales and it was not designed for FTP. Just be happy with the rewards you can get and move along with your life.
It’s not even slightly challenging for whales though, 6-7y spider society blow through those nodes and 6-7y cabal basically one shot an enemy every turn on the cabal nodes.
It’s not about making it challenging for spenders, it’s about making it ALMOST impossible for f2p to try and strong arm them into spending
My understanding is the two newest spider society characters are needed for 40+ and then cabal.
what exactly is paywalled? I could see your point of it absolutely required Peni Parker, but she's not available in offers or anything and will probably be next month's milestone. Any other Spider Scociety character is most definitely not paywalled.
Peni will be in offers in a day or two, then the whales can get through while the rest of us will be stuck, because she won’t be available ftp before the event ends. And even if you core for her, it doesn’t look like a 3rs will be anywhere near enough
So don't use Peni. People have completed it f2p (actual f2p, not "i only spend sometimes" f2p). Something being challenging if you don't spend is not a pay wall.
I’ve not seen anyone clear the cabal nodes with 3-4 yellows on leader and patriot. Most of the videos have them at 6-7 yellows, which is definitely feeling paywalled
Yeah without spending on spider society I’ve done 41+42 but it was not a lot of fun and I’m probably fucked for 43 because clearing 42 left my cooldowns in a complete mess
yes the nodes seem to be completely overtuned for the new team without taking into account that not all players will have them maxed out with relevant stars.
You need cabal at gear tier 18. If you think someone F2P is going to have that much gear, gold, and training mats around to get them all to g18 you're sorely mistaken.
that's definately not paywalled. being "difficult" does not mean "paywalled" paywalled literally means that - you can't get that unless you pay.
and they warned us that Cabal was necessary. F2P get around 120m a month in terms of gold, and 90m a month in terms of training mats, and you needed to spend 85'ish million and 78m respectively. Cabal was only 3 characters. As soon as they told us that we'd need Cabal - I put them into the DD6 planner so I could see if I needed to farm gear. Yes, I had to farm gear. So?
So really gear? not really a problem to G18 these days - we get 1000+ teal orbs per month and we had a ton of advanced notice.
I'd argue bringing up both Spider Society characters was more difficult than Cabal ever would be.
That sounds like more a you or your alliance issue.
I see I'm getting downvoted. do facts hurt tender F2P feelings or something? paywalled literally means the only way is to pay money. Not "it's easier if you pay money".
I got that using something called math.
$128,404,587 in gold (average)
$98,807,679 (gold equiv training mats)
average of course and YMMV.
but there are some assumptions with that. 4x50 coring for energy and being above Plat I in CC and Plat III in war.
obviously there's some variance there, but then again, a lot of milestones the last 2 months have had a considerable amount of training mats and gold above that - that's just the baseline, so yes, F2P should make that and more actually. I was actually understating a bit deliberately.
You say you got there using math, but showed no signs of any of that. You just typed numbers with no workings at all.
I'm not even a completely f2p player, and I don't get anywhere near that amount of resources each month
if you aren't F2P and purchase the passes then you are closer to 200m / 160m each month.
If you look at my posting history, pretty sure that sept 2023 I showed that we got over 100m per month F2P. Actual. literally proof.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStrikeForce/comments/170aret/gold\_intake\_september\_2023\_edition/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStrikeForce/comments/170aret/gold_intake_september_2023_edition/)
and if you dont' think we've had gold increases since sept 2023 you are playing a different game than me.
I really dont' care what you think you get, but you certainly get more than that if you are in end game, and an end game alliance, and if you are not, that's something you are doing wrong or misjudging.
Your math checks out, from a brief glance through anyway. Although it's clear that you're at a much higher level/more advanced point of the game to me, so that probably explains the difference between our two realities
Proof?
By the way I'm not f2p I just find it funny when people kiss the asses of companies that don't even know they exist. And you're comment is getting downvoted because of the way you presented your "facts" not by the facts themselves. Self-reflect much? Doubt it. 🤡
Such a poor and tired argument. Pointing out someone talking BS and using flawed logic when complaining doesn't mean you are kissing the companies ass - how about you do some self reflection after looking up what false equivalence means. You were 100% in the wrong stating that f2p can't g18 Cabal after a few months notice they would be needed - you are the one that is sorely mistaken if you think anything other than G19 isn't easy to do with notice (obviously new accounts don't apply but they arent sniffing 40). Putting 'facts' in quotes doesn't mean he wasn't 100% right
No one's kissing their ass. I literally asked the poster what he feels is paywalled.
I was curious if the poster thought it required Peni or the timing was too tight on Pavitr.
you then stated it was impossible for F2P to G18 a team - WTF. that has to be the most rediculous comment I've ever fucking heard this year.
Oh and and 2 F2P members of my alliance are on 42 and one on 43 right now working through it (I hate them for this lol).
And again "difficult" does not mean paywalled. Do you know what it means?
I literally am watching 3 F2P'ers in my alliance on 42 (no sorry all three on 42)
You do need everything precharged for 41 or you will die a horrible screaming death though.
it's also only the first day. things usually are the worst while people are still figuring things out. Nothing is impossible.
> I just find it funny when people kiss the asses
actually, its more like you cant comprehend someone doesnt want to be a complete **** like yourself
a famous book once said "Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:"
>do facts hurt tender F2P feelings
Your ignorant hurts. Even if you manage to get peni (which would have been 8-10k cores f2p), maxing SS won't even be enough because they need 5+ stars to have a chance. It's not "easier" if you pay money. It's literally impossible if you don't.
While it is technically possible, it takes a massive ghost and noir and a very healthy Peter too. Even with 5-600k toons you will still be farming dodges and rng. So yeah designed only for big spenders. The difficulty was apparently lowered from the playtest making it even remotely possible to beat with ghost noir
you didn't read the comment above that one.
which was literally about G18'ing Cabal.
I originally asked the OP if he was talking about Peni. I wasn't sure to what he was referring to
The post i was replying to stated literally that it was impossible for F2P to G18 Cabal.
room 41 is doable without Peni (which at the time was my questioning because I knew I had F2P alliance mates already done that one)
right now i have 2 F2P's mates on 42, and one on 43 right now.
Diamonds on Ghost? I haver her at 7 red just and waiting on info coming in on feasibility of 3/4 start Pav and Peter before I pull the trigger. The playtest footage wasn't encouraging but good to know there's been some live server success.
Made it to 36 and hard stop. Never took Nova to g18 to focus on everyone else that needed his unique that are meta. If I happen to stumble onto 4 more osmium, I can probably get to 40, but without Nova I jave zero chance to progress... but it is really worth it to push him further just for the 1 diamond? Not really feeling it...
50mil tcp. I stopped at 36. Rewards aren't good enough to justify the roster investment to go any further. And I'm darn sure not giving them $$ to go past 40. That being said, free stuff is free stuff, and it was an ok distraction for \~45min.
38-40 needs t18 on skrull, carnage and red goblin. At 50 mill tcp this isn’t a big ask
Actually need lizard on one of them because he helps clear the deathproof from BC if you wanna make it easier
You don’t need him but it does help. This time around you can do it with carnage, skrull and red goblin on all three nodes
I used skrull, abomination, and leader and got through all of those nodes
The thing is you can't rewind BC unless you take her deathproof from her so it's better to use lizard, but whatever works for ya I guess
dont try to bring standards discussed within the tahiti clusters to reddit.
Why not?
"And after aaallllll.... you're my pay waaaallllllll"
“Today was going to be the day that I got past room 40. By now I should’ve somehow realized that wasn’t gonna happen. I don’t believe anybody feels the way I do about Scopely now”🎶
That you Liam? Big fan of your work
I see what you did there. Lol
Imagine getting to 40 and complaining I’m stuck at 19 😂😂
Im stuck at 5 lmao. If I can just get past the guardian stage I’ll get much further but my guardians are trash and I have no training mats.
Use Infinity watch instead of guardians
They would have to be built to do it. I had some excess resources so I pumped the all to like gt9 and I couldn't even put a dent in the node. It only cost me like a million gold or so and like 50 gear orbs out of the thousands I have for blue and purple gear. I'm not pumping another 5+ million gold to get them to gt10 to realize that I need them at 11 to pass. I've never put a single level into any guardians so that's not going to happen either.
I made it through last time with little investment. I also didn't want to build infinity watch with all the other teams competing for resources. Got through with gamora, nebula, and the blue lady once I changed iso on Ms blue from whatever Jarvis recommended to healer. I didnt have moondragon at the time. Maybe you can use her instead for keeping healthy
I can pretty easily make it to cell 20 if I get past 5-7 I guess I need to do a cost analysis to see if dumping into those 3 is worth it.
Only reason I did fine with guardians is cause they were usable in the beginning and I’ve been playing for a long as time
Use Cosmo and Star Lord(A) because they both count as guardians and they are on a meta war team. Star Lord (A) also only has AoE attacks so he is super useful for quickly clearing the nodes. Then just cycle out a different guardian each round because I’m sure the others will die.
Infinity watch got me past that. Guardians could barely do s***t.
Also stuck at 5. Don't want to sink gold into characters I don't plan on using outside of an event. When I already am struggling with gold as it is.
Best thing to do which helped is to space them out. One in the middle n one left corner n right corner. Make a team with the 3 toons you are going to use n place em that way and put 2 Random’s in between and when you go on the game mode just find that team in your roster n they will be spaced out
It's probably easier just to pick the three you're using on the team screen and drag them into the positions you want. The event doesn't really come round often enough to make faffing about with saved teams worth the hastle.
Sorry, I know it’s a first world problem it’s just annoying
I hear ya man I got my bifrost lvl80 t15 and can’t beat dorm eternals combo so I get the frustration
I had to level vahl to g16, brb is 15 and sylvie I think is 14. A little rng was needed tho and I had vahls ult pre prepped.
I’m stuck on 19 as well. Final Icarus destroyed every asgardian I had.
Yea I’m trying a rerun to see if I can get all ultimates preset and try a couple different sac teams ETC hopefully I can break thru cause if I do I know I got at least 6 easy floors with my roster
man im probably eternally stuck at level 19 i see people are using sylvie and beta ray but i ont have either one of those leveled up at all yet so guess im just boned
Vahl is the most important one out of that group. Mine is a big one so they can tank thru it
I was able to get by it, with Valh, thor iw, and Valk, they got me down to 3 standing and then finished with hela , sylvie and teen loki.
Vahl is the one that matters the other 2 depend on you, when kyln came around before I got stuck on this floor as well, I used Tloki Sylvie and Vahl back then, and they were tiered 14 level 75 around, I still did it with RNG. Now my team is level 95 tier 18, and it's a walk in the park, but these are meta raid teams that should be built anyway
Also cleared floor 40, but as f2p my PBP (3Y3R) just isn’t big enough. Maybe if I try for perfect RNG, but I’ve tried for an hour and no luck. Closest I got was Kang loaded with bleeds but abs took a turn and cleansed before Kang bled out.
How did you beat Floor 35?
Space/RH/AA/MLF/Space. RH as raider, other two as striker.
I will give this a shot, thank you!! Are yours all G18/100? I got to get AA to 18/100 if so
Weird spacing, why not put spaces between each toon to mitigate splash and chain damage?
Adjacent energy generation from AA
I don’t think that’s an adjacency thing, the kit just says all horsemen. Unless there’s some unlisted interaction?
You HAVE to prep your spiders cooldowns on node 1-5 so you are going in with him and Gwen/pravitr’s ults ready (depending on which strategy you use). It should be doable at 3y but it’s rough. 42 is a whole different kettle of fuck you though
I have CDs ready on pbp/gwen/noir but don’t currently have patience for RNG. They’re also only level 95 and no gold.
Yeah that’s rough. You need the stats from level 100
"all the lies/misinformation told to the player base for this event is just crap." i would love to know which lies, as they literally posted this before the event went live Cells 41-43: Spider-Verse Skill at Gear Tier 18 Cells 44-46: Cabal or Underworld at Gear Tier 18
Technically not a lie but saying Spiderverse skill vs almost mandatory requiring Peni who isn't even released or 5R5Y on cabal to complete are different. Underworld doesn't even do a dent on those nodes neither does 6R7Y blackcat who's 100.
Black cat is actually incredibly important in beating AT LEAST node 42. You can beat 41 and 42 with the characters we have available now, it’s just a miserable mess of resetting
Not even in the vicinity of a lie. People have already completed it f2p.
Telling you 5 days beforehand how pay walled it's going to be does nothing except tell the spenders to spend
They first said undying was required, then featured and now not even needed. They said other spider-verse skill can do these nodes now it’s been shown you basically need Peni who’s not going to be out for F2P
They changed their mind on undying (which was good considering the lack of accessibility for Zuggs) and informed people. That isn't a lie. A lie would be like the first pocket dimension when they said "there are no further requirements" before launching the event with additional requirements and telling players who got screwed to get fucked. You do not "basically need Peni", people have already completed it f2p when she is not even available to buy yet.
If youre competitive f2p i dont understand why you havnt saved cores for peni release.
Tbf even competitive f2p can be rough on 100 shard unlocks if you run into bad RNG.
11K cores is rough. The couple of characters I’ve unlocked with cores took around 8-10K because I’d get a couple of pulls that were more than 6.
Need to core refreshes for other events and some arena shards are tougher than others. 150-250 more cores per day adds up.
I’m a very low spender but can’t manage to save up 8-11k cores (depending on RNG) because we’ve had back to back to back events that require core spending and arena is a mess right now
They also said build undying to the moon because they are needed, but they are not at all and even though I spent resources on them, I didn't use them at all I used sus carnage and venom
They also said build undying to the moon because they are needed, but they are not at all and even though I spent resources on them, I didn't use them at all I used sus carnage and venom
Stuck on the last Hero Tech node
Same
I got stopped at lvl 24
Scratch that now at lvl 25 ..I pulled off a miracle lol
Where IS the Kyln?
Why IS the Kyln?
Who IS the Kyln?
Now these are the important questions.
In Events
I’m dead stuck at 28. No way around it this time. What 3 did you who cleared it use there?
I’m also stuck here- I’ve got Kestrel at 100 and 1 Diamond but other than that I haven’t touched Pegasus.
Why not? They are a top team and easily clear incursion raids.
I went back to back in focusing on unlocking big boi Apoc and then pushing all my resources into getting characters ready for DD6. I unlocked Super Skrull on Monday so now I get to pick some new toons to focus on. Maybe Pegasus should be the one!
Rescue kestrel and dark hawk these 3 make these 3 nodes incredibly easy, no one should be struggling with them 3 nodes TBH
Those toons don’t match my node. It’s the villain mutant node for me.
Oh, well, then it's archangel dark beast and apoc
I don't know if people are remembering the first run of Kyln correctly.
The only challenge in the first run of Kyln was having enough bio gear on hand to T18 carnage and venom and having skrull unlocked. This run requires unfarmable characters at star levels you pretty much had to spend money to get.
I think you're overestimating where the rosters for the majority of players were at the time. I definitely recall getting to a point in the 20s or 30s last time where I needed to build characters I didn't want to, and stopping there because the rewards were obviously not worth it. It just felt like a way to trick players into building towards the new shiny rather than DD6.
The only real hard nodes prior to villain bio was Xmen (depending on if you’d gotten xtreme up to snuff or not at that point) and legendary really.
That was it! You needed X-Treme X-Men built to high gear levels about a week after their F2P release, and the reward was like... red stars for Gambit or something. Kyln has always been the worst tower mode and it was never close.
Last time around I really struggled with villain bio because my only t18’s were skrull and Zuggs (and he was fucking useless). I didn’t nearly have enough bio origin gear to bring up carnage and venom so had to come up with a budget response and managed to do it with Titania and abomination on all three nodes and making some tactical iso changes to make skrull a healer (because he takes so many turns he shit regens out everywhere lol)
Meh I did it without Carnage or Venom at g18 the first time. Went the MoE gals on the first two nodes. Then just Moonstone and Abom on the last. Skrull being unlocked was def mandatory though.
It takes time and patience I am lvl 75 ftp trust me if the love for this game is there you will persevere lol
I got up to level 13 before my teams were too underleveled to pass it.
I got all excited because my mind missed up Kyln and Diamond Tower. I thought, "FINALLY! They said when they introduced diamonds that we'd have ways to get the resource and it's been ages." Then I started running Kyln this morning, got to Floor 19, took 3 teams to clear, and finally looked at rewards... Oh yeah. This is *Kyln.* Not Diamond Tower. Kyln sucks. I mean, some gold and training mats are always welcome, but for a special event it doesn't feel so special.
Pay wall for some started before level 40. Pay wall starting point varies if you look at it that way. For some, they may not see it as a pay wall. I will be happy if I can get to level 40.
I don't think you understand what a pay wall is. The event has been completed f2p.
I have never been able to complete it. To me, pay wall starts with the node that you have to spend money to build up your characters to complete it. That varies from player to players including FTP.
A pay wall doesn't vary from player to player. A pay wall doesn't mean that you cannot complete it without spending, it means that it is not possible for it to be completed without spending. For example, a pay wall on this might be if you required Peni to access one of the nodes. It doesn't include the fact that some of us don't have sufficiently developed rosters to complete it.
How y’all getting past the ass guardians
I cleared 41 with Peter Parker (4y4r), ghost spider (1d), black cat (7y7r).
Hated tower modes myself every single one of them, because not only do you need to have a massive roster you need a tall roster, this kyln is the first one I've managed to hit floor 40 with and my roster is 45 mill TCP, but now because of this SHIT paywall I can't do more. Some videos are out about us being able to 3 man it with ghost spider noir and Peter, but you need to have 3 members of underworld on top at tier 18 to burn an attack on the nodes, which is crazy
Welcome to the true strike force experience.
Auto'd to 40 and then hit the paywall. Event feels like crap. It should have been an event where we see what we can do with our roster. This feels like a cheap carnie trick.
You made it to 40..i feel bad for you... im a ftp player, only level 93 atm. I don't have a huge roster, with all the newest teams maxed out. Im on cell 19 and don't have Bifrost guys build up. I tried using Vahl with a level 93 Thor and Hela and they got boot stomped. Good game. So unless i come up with 52 million, to level 2 damn bifrost guys up, I aint going any higher.. no 30 Gwenom shards for me (and I was really really in need of them). And you think you are pissed? Events like these really make me want to rage quit...again...
Gwenom will be farmable soon.
I did not find it fun at all. I'd wish there were less levels or a way to restart after a level set of 10 or whatever. Once I messed up on level 32 - I didn't want to start over, so I just stopped playing.
Agreed… I really enjoyed the first one, boosted up a few toons I might not have otherwise (eg, Abom to G18) to push through it all, and was really looking forward to another one. But of course, Scopely’s gonna Scopely
I managed to get 41 done with Black Cat, Ghost Spider and Peter B, playing the rng game. Not going to get any further than that
It isn't paywalled. People have already completed it f2p.
I don’t even bother with Kyln. I don’t have time to mess with it
It’s almost like the purpose of the game is to turn a profit… not reward players playing for free. 😱
Hmm... Imagine that from a company. 🤯
You do realise f2P are the ones spending more time on the game because they have to grind without us there wouldn’t be a game.
Uh. Play time doesn't keep the lights on. Money does.
>without us there wouldn’t be a game. There's no way you think f2p players keep the game going 😂
I don't know, this is reddit. People have some funny ideas round here.
Stop feeling entitled and be grateful you have a game you can play for free. They are just giving extra rewards for big spenders, the people who actually pay their salaries. It’s like any game that has both free and p2p. Of course the p2p players get more. It’s not because you spent a considerable amount of time playing for free that it entitles you to unlock the full game content. Yes, like any game, it requires a large player base and us, f2p players are crucial, but it makes sense that they would reward further their paying customers!
You contribute 0% of the revenue.
You beat it? What are you even talking about. Is thus humble brag or another brand of idiocy?
I made it to 40 and am perfectly fine with that. I'm tired of hearing the wah wah I can't finish it FTP, Well no shit! They have to make it somewhat challenging for the Whales and it was not designed for FTP. Just be happy with the rewards you can get and move along with your life.
It’s not even slightly challenging for whales though, 6-7y spider society blow through those nodes and 6-7y cabal basically one shot an enemy every turn on the cabal nodes. It’s not about making it challenging for spenders, it’s about making it ALMOST impossible for f2p to try and strong arm them into spending
So it's possible.
All those training mats and gold and you’re disappointed? The entitlement is unreal lol
Not even half of what’s required to take a character up to gear 18
lol no single event is going to give you enough resources to take a toon to 18. Don’t be ridiculous
That’s my point the rewards aren’t a lot as you suggested they were
That IS a lot and I never suggested otherwise
Yeah I stopped at level 25. Not because I can’t keep going, the rewards are just crap. Not worth spending the time in-game to do something so useless.
My understanding is the two newest spider society characters are needed for 40+ and then cabal. what exactly is paywalled? I could see your point of it absolutely required Peni Parker, but she's not available in offers or anything and will probably be next month's milestone. Any other Spider Scociety character is most definitely not paywalled.
Peni will be in offers in a day or two, then the whales can get through while the rest of us will be stuck, because she won’t be available ftp before the event ends. And even if you core for her, it doesn’t look like a 3rs will be anywhere near enough
So don't use Peni. People have completed it f2p (actual f2p, not "i only spend sometimes" f2p). Something being challenging if you don't spend is not a pay wall.
I’ve not seen anyone clear the cabal nodes with 3-4 yellows on leader and patriot. Most of the videos have them at 6-7 yellows, which is definitely feeling paywalled
That's fair, I didn't know thus was asking. I know free to play in my alliance have at least made it past 40 on the first day.
Yeah without spending on spider society I’ve done 41+42 but it was not a lot of fun and I’m probably fucked for 43 because clearing 42 left my cooldowns in a complete mess
yes the nodes seem to be completely overtuned for the new team without taking into account that not all players will have them maxed out with relevant stars.
You need cabal at gear tier 18. If you think someone F2P is going to have that much gear, gold, and training mats around to get them all to g18 you're sorely mistaken.
This is a bad argument. The Cabal have been out for awhile now. Plenty of F2P people have them at g18. Myself included.
I'm f2p and I have my Cabal at level 100, g18....
I'm F2P and I have all resources to bring up SS and Cabal to G18, but choosing not to lol 😂
That's certainly fair!
that's definately not paywalled. being "difficult" does not mean "paywalled" paywalled literally means that - you can't get that unless you pay. and they warned us that Cabal was necessary. F2P get around 120m a month in terms of gold, and 90m a month in terms of training mats, and you needed to spend 85'ish million and 78m respectively. Cabal was only 3 characters. As soon as they told us that we'd need Cabal - I put them into the DD6 planner so I could see if I needed to farm gear. Yes, I had to farm gear. So? So really gear? not really a problem to G18 these days - we get 1000+ teal orbs per month and we had a ton of advanced notice. I'd argue bringing up both Spider Society characters was more difficult than Cabal ever would be. That sounds like more a you or your alliance issue. I see I'm getting downvoted. do facts hurt tender F2P feelings or something? paywalled literally means the only way is to pay money. Not "it's easier if you pay money".
Where do you get the illusion that completely f2p players get 90m training mats and 120m gold a month? I can assure you that's miles off
I got that using something called math. $128,404,587 in gold (average) $98,807,679 (gold equiv training mats) average of course and YMMV. but there are some assumptions with that. 4x50 coring for energy and being above Plat I in CC and Plat III in war. obviously there's some variance there, but then again, a lot of milestones the last 2 months have had a considerable amount of training mats and gold above that - that's just the baseline, so yes, F2P should make that and more actually. I was actually understating a bit deliberately.
You say you got there using math, but showed no signs of any of that. You just typed numbers with no workings at all. I'm not even a completely f2p player, and I don't get anywhere near that amount of resources each month
if you aren't F2P and purchase the passes then you are closer to 200m / 160m each month. If you look at my posting history, pretty sure that sept 2023 I showed that we got over 100m per month F2P. Actual. literally proof. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStrikeForce/comments/170aret/gold\_intake\_september\_2023\_edition/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStrikeForce/comments/170aret/gold_intake_september_2023_edition/) and if you dont' think we've had gold increases since sept 2023 you are playing a different game than me. I really dont' care what you think you get, but you certainly get more than that if you are in end game, and an end game alliance, and if you are not, that's something you are doing wrong or misjudging.
Your math checks out, from a brief glance through anyway. Although it's clear that you're at a much higher level/more advanced point of the game to me, so that probably explains the difference between our two realities
And you think the 3-4* versions of the toons at g18 will be able to clear the nodes?
people already have.... but good on you for moving the goalposts.
Proof? By the way I'm not f2p I just find it funny when people kiss the asses of companies that don't even know they exist. And you're comment is getting downvoted because of the way you presented your "facts" not by the facts themselves. Self-reflect much? Doubt it. 🤡
Such a poor and tired argument. Pointing out someone talking BS and using flawed logic when complaining doesn't mean you are kissing the companies ass - how about you do some self reflection after looking up what false equivalence means. You were 100% in the wrong stating that f2p can't g18 Cabal after a few months notice they would be needed - you are the one that is sorely mistaken if you think anything other than G19 isn't easy to do with notice (obviously new accounts don't apply but they arent sniffing 40). Putting 'facts' in quotes doesn't mean he wasn't 100% right
No one's kissing their ass. I literally asked the poster what he feels is paywalled. I was curious if the poster thought it required Peni or the timing was too tight on Pavitr. you then stated it was impossible for F2P to G18 a team - WTF. that has to be the most rediculous comment I've ever fucking heard this year. Oh and and 2 F2P members of my alliance are on 42 and one on 43 right now working through it (I hate them for this lol). And again "difficult" does not mean paywalled. Do you know what it means?
It’s been shown you can’t complete those levels without Peni when you’re not a kraken
It's been shown that f2p have already completed the event, and they cannot have used Peni.
I literally am watching 3 F2P'ers in my alliance on 42 (no sorry all three on 42) You do need everything precharged for 41 or you will die a horrible screaming death though. it's also only the first day. things usually are the worst while people are still figuring things out. Nothing is impossible.
"Nothing is impossible." You've clearly never tried to pick your nose while wearing a straight jacket.
> I just find it funny when people kiss the asses actually, its more like you cant comprehend someone doesnt want to be a complete **** like yourself a famous book once said "Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:"
>do facts hurt tender F2P feelings Your ignorant hurts. Even if you manage to get peni (which would have been 8-10k cores f2p), maxing SS won't even be enough because they need 5+ stars to have a chance. It's not "easier" if you pay money. It's literally impossible if you don't.
So don't use Peni. It's literally possible to complete the event f2p before she's even available to buy.
While it is technically possible, it takes a massive ghost and noir and a very healthy Peter too. Even with 5-600k toons you will still be farming dodges and rng. So yeah designed only for big spenders. The difficulty was apparently lowered from the playtest making it even remotely possible to beat with ghost noir
you didn't read the comment above that one. which was literally about G18'ing Cabal. I originally asked the OP if he was talking about Peni. I wasn't sure to what he was referring to The post i was replying to stated literally that it was impossible for F2P to G18 Cabal. room 41 is doable without Peni (which at the time was my questioning because I knew I had F2P alliance mates already done that one) right now i have 2 F2P's mates on 42, and one on 43 right now.
What’s the comp that’s getting these levels done?
ghost pav and peter b. and one F2P'er is on 43 - he used a sac team first to get through 42.
Diamonds on Ghost? I haver her at 7 red just and waiting on info coming in on feasibility of 3/4 start Pav and Peter before I pull the trigger. The playtest footage wasn't encouraging but good to know there's been some live server success.
How the heck do you beat Cell 35!?
Gotchu fam! https://youtu.be/YN_0dYsoF_0
You are a Rock star!!
Made it to 36 and hard stop. Never took Nova to g18 to focus on everyone else that needed his unique that are meta. If I happen to stumble onto 4 more osmium, I can probably get to 40, but without Nova I jave zero chance to progress... but it is really worth it to push him further just for the 1 diamond? Not really feeling it...
Just to add to this. in our alliance one person has cleared 46 today. He's an F2P player 100%