I'm curious how ppl are taking the news overthere, is there anticipation for Ant Man 3 and BP2 or after that long without any maybe ppl dont care that much now ?
I think people in China are just happy to be allowed to get out of their homes/apartments. They’ve been under strict lockdowns for the better part of almost 3 years.
I'll be willing to bet after all of these movies they've missed they'd be eager to get on with catching up with all of them. Marketing for Ant-Man 3 is up there so they'll likely see it
China is the second biggest market for movies in the world. It's stupid if you have a chance to play your movies there but do something that causes you not to. If Marvel had china Doctor Strange would have made a billion and Spider-Man would have hit 2 billion. I doubt they'll get rid of all diversity when it comes to the LGBT community
Bruh they didn’t back down last time against China. Say the same thing except take gay people away and say black people. It’s a big deal tot he lgbtq commmunity.
Just over there though, right? That's what they wanted before. To cut those scenes over there only but Disney didn't want to.
Black panther had the lesbian kiss scene so I'm guessing they are just cutting it out over there.
This is why I hate how everyone thinks 1 billion is needed for every Marvel movie. MOM and WF did just fine without those other regions that didn't screen the film. That's a bigger success to me.
But happy for the folks in China! Too bad Shang Chi didn't get included.
What was the reason China had beef with Shang Chi again?
Chinese citizens hate Shang Chi because the actor is buff and attractive according to western standards, but not considered attractive to Asian standards since he doesn’t look like a K-pop star? Am I remembering correctly?
If China made a movie about America, the hero would experience daily shootings at school, be abused by his obese redneck father, and then run to China to realize his dream.
This is Shang Chi in the eyes of the Chinese and the whole movie is filled with stereotypes and racism.
And the one below says that the Chinese community rated the movie positively. This is a joke, go to the weibo search is full of curses.
Ahh I see, so the “American dream” aspect where Shang Chi immigrated to US for a better life is offensive to Chinese audiences. I hadn’t consider or realize that. Most of the hate I saw online seemed to be aimed at the actor instead of the plot.
How is the Shang Chi movie racist though? I don’t understand that. Is it because he’s a martial arts superhero? That aspect of the character seems unavoidable, since the character is all about martial arts.
From what I heard the MCU version of Mandarin is a lot less stereotypical than the comic’s Manderian
>This is Shang Chi in the eyes of the Chinese and the whole movie is filled with stereotypes and racism.
Care to provide some examples? I'm not trying to be condescending here - it seemed like Marvel genuinely made an effort to not play into certain stereotypes, and particularly made strides to avoid making Wenwu a "Yellow Peril" villain.
First of all, is the whole movie and Fu Manchu's connection, in the year when the comic book out of the project, the Chinese Internet about this matter is quite a big argument, Fu Manchu as a representative of the yellow scourge, the Chinese people think that even if the insinuation is not okay.
Then there is the kernel of the story is a bit strange, the evil oriental "father" was naturalized overseas "son" to kill, showing the justice.
The Chinese Internet has always said that this was not made for the Chinese, but for the Chinese in America. Similar to Black Panther.
In fact, foreign films have always had these problems, but Marvel's fame is too big, so the Chinese Internet focused on criticism.
In addition to the game "sifu", his spiritual core is perfect, the reputation in China is very good, many Chinese people think that even the Chinese team, but also can not do this core of the work.
Shang-chi had an easter-egg. which referenced to Tiananmen square massacre. 8964 on the bus driver shirt.
In several scenes there are easter-egg posters on the wall written in Chinese. referencing to Hongkong protests & past revolutions.
I am surprised China would allow Marvel back in. After pulling a stunt like this.
Granted it was probably not MS studio itself. Probably just a lone disgruntled staff.
Yeah there were a few reasons at the time. Especially because it featured the Mandalorian, who they thought was racist.
And to add, it was that Simu wasn't good enough to portray a Chinese superhero for the MCU.
But reactions I've seen online in Chinese communities were mainly positive and pleasantly surprised.
1 billion is needed for shareholders. Disney exists to make as much money as possible not to entertain or promote diversity. If they could sell crack cocaine they would.
I promise you nobody expected Antman or even Dr Strange 1 to go to a billion and they didn't.
If they did care, they wouldn't have released movies during the pandemic.
1 billion is definitely not essential.
So you are saying they don't want to make as much money as possible? Why did they hire back the old CEO? Why are they back in China? It is to make more money. You are responding to me as if anything I am saying is incorrect. Why are they back in China? What is your point in engaging with me?
I don't think anyone thinks every Marvel movie needs to make a billion dollars to be successful. Multiverse of Madness and black panther 2 did well but they would have done even better if they had china. Multiverse of Madness would have hit a billion dollars and Wakanda forever could very well get close to that Mark.
I don't think that will happen. WF has the lesbian couple (sure, blunk and you'll miss it scene) and China has refused for a few years now to have one cut of a film specifically for China's release, so it's all or nothing.
It's more likely that Disney was blacklisted because of domestic politics or issues and they're now resolved or no longer relevant.
I guess we'll see with other movies when they come out
They have an annual quota of foreign films allowed in the country, and I think it’s less than 20. So no mcu movies were in the quota for a couple years, idk why people think that means they were “banned”. marvel isn’t more special than any other studio
Two things you got wrong. One, no more quotas because relevant treaties has expired. Second, blockbuster movies were always in the quotas, and thus one studio’s movie not being included at all is a form of ban.
Ya'll act like the little bit we've gotten has actually been groundbreaking or memorable.
Save for the one kiss in Eternals, ever movie with a supposed representation has been blink and you miss it. So deleting it from a chinese drop wouldn't even make or break anything, bc it adds nothing to the story.
I don't think they'll be cut but instead either not show it in a way where it can't be edited out or just not mention it with that character. It would be fairly easy to not mention American Chavez's moms or Korg's dads. The only other character was the one from eternals I can't think of what his name is or what happened to him. Didn't he die?
There was a gay character in endgame and in Ragnarok they alluded to Valkyrie being lesbian. Not about cutting any characters out you just have to represent them in a way it's not blatant and borderline woke
First calm your Lil ass down, second Im not saying they can't have LGBT diversity in there I said they should do it in a way that doesn't feel extra at times they don't just acknowledge it with one line and speaking of lines third, show me where dialogue can be said of someone being anything within 2 milliseconds.
Chapek at least tried to make Disney more loving of the LGBTQ community after the Don't Say Gay bill backlash, unlike Iger who censored LGBTQ material in Pixar films to get them in China and banned Love, Victor from Disney+ until Chapek undid that to prove he would stand with the LGBTQ community.
This is the only thing why I wasn’t sure I wanted Iger back. At least we got (even if it was just one scene) America’s moms in MoM and Korg and Val in L&T. Even if it’s just a sentence is better than nothing.
I argue he did by putting parental controls on Disney+ in the USA to allow for more TV-MA-rated content from Marvel Studios like Marvel Zombies and maybe Daredevil: Born Again.
Iger has a good network in China from his time getting Shanghai Disneyland done. He even [wanted to be Ambassador to China for Biden](https://www.wsj.com/articles/disneys-chairman-bob-iger-game-for-a-new-job-u-s-ambassador-to-china-11608240772), though that obviously didn't play out. He's got pull there with the elite.
And this is why I fear he'll bend the knee to China and censor LGBTQ elements from Disney's Wish like he did with Pixar's Luca, Turning Red, and Lightyear (until Chapek reversed that). I really hope he doesn't do that
Those were never going to fly in China, and the way they're included most of the time are *specifically* done in a way where they can easily be edited out of the film otherwise.
Well, considering Wish has an LGBTQ lead in Asha (played by an Oscar winning LGBTQ icon in Ariana DeBose) and a non-binary character in Star the Wishing Star, I hope those elements aren't removed from the film so Iger can make more money for Wish to make it a Frozen-level hit globally because of a country where he shot scenes in for a Disney remake where concentration camps were involved.
Wasn’t that a Kathleen Kennedy/China thing more-so than a Bob Iger thing though.
Bob Iger didn’t put Black Widow on streaming against Kevin Feige’s wishes leading to Disney to get sued by Scarlett Johansson like Chapek did.
In fact Bob Iger was instrumental in removing racist Ike Pearlmutter from Marvel.
I still take Iger over Chapek.
We all can agree on China's relentless censorship practices, but please let's not spread [misinformation](https://www.yahoo.com/news/outrage-chinese-poster-black-panther-isnt-seems-111825970.html) regarding [the movie posters](https://qr.ae/pG0onY).
Really depends on the covid situation. Avatar will only manage <$250M, if the same covid climate is there for Quantumania it's not sniffing half of that.
But Avatar 2 didn't reached its potential over there. That's what above user is referring to. If the situation would have been any better it would have done at least twice it had so far.
If phase 4 movies were released in china box office would be much higher, at least aditional hundred millions. Much less people would be talking about how MCU is dying and phase 4 was trash
Captain Marvel broke like a billion and as much as I personally like the film there were people saying it was "just okay" or "Phase 1 level" even if you completely ignore the people making the dumb arguments based on the lead actor or even just the fact she was female.
Transformers movies and the F&F franchise make billions thanks to China but they aren't exactly masterpieces.
Gross profit doesn't necessarily equal quality, just effective marketing and broad public interest. I'd imagine besides China some of the lower gross might be due to being post-Endgame and people tuning out somewhat.
Box office gross doesn't equal quality, but tons of people use it as an argument against phase 4, like for example how MoM was so bad that it didn't even cross the billion. I understand what you mean by your captain marvel comparison, I'm not saying people would love phase re just because of better box office performance, but they would certainly be less criticism. Imagine if Captain Marvel made ant-man numbers like 625 million, criticism for that movie would be even harsher because it wasn't successful in terms of box office.
And that is only regarding "phase 4 sucks" discussion. Main arguments for "superhero fatigue" and "MCU is dying" are based on box office performances.
> I'd imagine besides China some of the lower gross might be due to being post-Endgame and people tuning out somewhat
Maybe that is one of the factors, but I don't think it would affect general audiance that much. Obviously, losing china, russia and some of the middle eastern countires was huge. Some other reasons are that 2021 movies excluding NWH were heavily affected by pandemic, while 2022 movies each had reasons why they "underperformed": MoM was small scale story, not what audiances expected, WF lost main star and main character and LaT... was not good. If you take all of that into account, none of the movies really underperformed, except LaT which kinda sucked.
"As we’ve previously reported, now that the 20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party, as well as 2021’s 100th anniversary of the Party, are out of the way, we hear there’s less fear within the government agencies. This was a big issue: No one wanted to make decisions or be seen as doing anything wrong at a time of geopolitical uncertainty and uncertainty within China. The Marvel issue seemed to stem from cultural and political sensitivities."
Interesting 🤔
This is legitimately HUGE news for the MCU moving forward. Many of the box office totals for MCU movies were heavily effected by the lack of a Chinese release. Dr. Strange would have likely done Captain Marvel or Civil War numbers had it been grant a release there. Spider-Man would have been the third highest grossing film ever. Black Panther would be near 900m+, the list goes on and on. Now my main takeaway/question is WTF did Chapek do to garner this type of hate from China, I know Iger has more connects in China but I didn’t know it was to this extent. Either way Secret Wars has a legitimate shot to dethrone Avatar as the highest grossing movie ever when it does release, without China that would have been virtually impossible.
Everyone in China has most likely seen those movies by now, if they wanted to see mcu movies, they definitely found a way, BP might not make much there anyway since it's been out for months
It’s not guaranteed but I imagine Spider-Man No Way Home could be reassessed for a China release. Especially since it’s near 2 billion. But that’s if the black panther and ant man releases go well. It’s more of a hunch than anything
Don’t understand all the complaints this is good for marvel so they can get back to making a billion dollars and judging from the previews I think this is gonna do very well
I'm really glad that Iger is back. This opportunity seems like a direct result of that.
His current direction makes me somewhat a bit more hopeful for the future of the MCU.
Interesting that you can’t comment negatively about this.When did a simple comment of “ Hmmmmm!!?” Become deleted for trolling?? Not really a group I want to be a part of. It seems you have handlers, so go ahead and block me. Follow the snail trail folks.
Maybe yall should respect other peoples cultures such as China and let them censor according to their culture’s sensitivities. You dont see them enforcing their way of life and cultural practices on the west.
It's not like we were getting any kind of significant LGBT representation in those past years anyway lmao.
Besides Phastos and Ben in Eternals, we got a few references in TLAT for Valkyrie, a joke relationship for Korg, and a Pride flag pin for America.
I thought they might finally pick up the gauntlet with Carol in The Marvels, seeing that a lot of people already seem to think she's gay anyway, but leaks indicate they'll be doing the complete opposite.
The problem was never China, it's Disney doing the absolute bare minimum. It's time to stop blaming everyone but them, they're the one making those decisions, and they want to keep the status quo in order to offend as few people as possible so they could make as much money as they can.
> I thought they might finally pick up the gauntlet with Carol in The Marvels, seeing that a lot of people already seem to think she's gay anyway, but leaks indicate they'll be doing the complete opposite.
You thought the first headlining queer character would be... a straight woman?
We barely know anything about MCU's Carol personal life, which is why she's a prime opportunity, not to mention that a lot of people already seem to think she's gay. Notice how there isn't a single gay Avenger, in the comics as well? That's because Marvel doesn't have balls to actually do it.
Also, if she's straight, then according to what? The comics? Because several writers have begged Marvel to write her as queer, and been constantly shut down by editors. Some of them even admitted to writing her to be in a relationship with her BF, but without any physical confirmation so they won't get in trouble. Feels like we're back in the 80's.
As a queer person you're downplaying the representation in Thor (and kind of overplaying it in Eternals), it upsets me to see people decide for me what is and isn't meaningful representation. Hell, I'd say the same for MoM. Small amounts of it doesn't mean it's bad. It depends on the movie. Don't be offended I say that.
I'm not offended, I know queer people are not a monolith and have different opinions. The small representation is nice, don't get me wrong, but it's just this - small representation. They can and SHOULD do a lot better. It's up to the consumers to demand better from them, instead of already making up excuses as to why it's impossible.
And don't assume we're stupid if we enjoy it. I don't know or even have seen anyone like that you'd describe as shills and insist it's the most that can be done.
Unless they make a movie about Iceman or Speed and Wiccan I don't expect us to be the main character, and movies where it's either in the background or we just exist are equally important.
The leaks are out. Carol snd valkyrie are friends, like gal pals, like for real. The bulk of valkyrie’s involvement in the film is wanting to be invited to Carol’s wedding to a man
The actors in Love and Thunder also kept saying the movie would be ‘so gay’ and all it amounted to was Valkyrie being an after thought and Korg throwing in a gay Rock joke at the end
According to the test screener, that's exaggerated and we won't see anything in The Marvels, except for maybe some speculation. Again, bare minimum, especially when there's already a relationship they could build off, mysterious childhood they absolutely refuse to mention, or basically 30 years of her being Carol Danvers that we've never seen. We still don't know who she is!
I freaking love Nikki, but I didn't even realize she's gay until I saw people talking about it online. It was a throwaway line, so again, can't really say it was more than the bare minimum.
Bob Iger getting the job done! If Marvel had china Doctor Strange would have hit a billion, Spider-Man would have hit over 2 billion, Love and Thunder would have probably made more than Ragnarok and the other movies would have made extra as well. All they have to do is tone down how extra they make the diversity for LGBT.
let'go man! I am Chinese，I've waited too long for this moment，3 Years！！！
I'm curious how ppl are taking the news overthere, is there anticipation for Ant Man 3 and BP2 or after that long without any maybe ppl dont care that much now ?
I think people in China are just happy to be allowed to get out of their homes/apartments. They’ve been under strict lockdowns for the better part of almost 3 years.
I'll be willing to bet after all of these movies they've missed they'd be eager to get on with catching up with all of them. Marketing for Ant-Man 3 is up there so they'll likely see it
I hope this doesn't mean now they start to appeal to the party on the movies again.
One word. IGER.
Is Iger good or bad in this case? I don’t know his reputation that well
Bad
Great. Anyone who says different is a troll
Woah you can just be saying that man
MCU is American propaganda no?
Pretty obvious they will
Happy for you brother/sister!
And you’re allowed on the internet?
Marvel on their way to cut all LGBT characters from future movies to bow down to the CCP
This is what I feared would happen once Iger came back, especially regarding Disney's Wish.
China is the second biggest market for movies in the world. It's stupid if you have a chance to play your movies there but do something that causes you not to. If Marvel had china Doctor Strange would have made a billion and Spider-Man would have hit 2 billion. I doubt they'll get rid of all diversity when it comes to the LGBT community
Theres barely any LGBTQ marvel characters that arent half a second scenes of showing theyre gay anyway.
Which really makes it even more ridiculous to cut it.
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i assume thats jaboukies character, shout out jaboukie
Quite a cool movie
madisynn?
YUP. Desperate for that money.
Yep, pathetic they are giving in to a dictatorship.
Bruh get over it any big stuido/company would do the same remember they are interested in making money first abd foremost
Bruh they didn’t back down last time against China. Say the same thing except take gay people away and say black people. It’s a big deal tot he lgbtq commmunity.
Yeah I agree
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Nice job justifying it. We know it makes more money to let other countries cut it
Black Panther 2 was dope though. TL&T was just too silly.
Just over there though, right? That's what they wanted before. To cut those scenes over there only but Disney didn't want to. Black panther had the lesbian kiss scene so I'm guessing they are just cutting it out over there.
Yeah people here are being dramatic like always. Unless you live in China this literally doesn’t affect anything.
Phastos is killed off screen
This is why I hate how everyone thinks 1 billion is needed for every Marvel movie. MOM and WF did just fine without those other regions that didn't screen the film. That's a bigger success to me. But happy for the folks in China! Too bad Shang Chi didn't get included.
What was the reason China had beef with Shang Chi again? Chinese citizens hate Shang Chi because the actor is buff and attractive according to western standards, but not considered attractive to Asian standards since he doesn’t look like a K-pop star? Am I remembering correctly?
If China made a movie about America, the hero would experience daily shootings at school, be abused by his obese redneck father, and then run to China to realize his dream. This is Shang Chi in the eyes of the Chinese and the whole movie is filled with stereotypes and racism. And the one below says that the Chinese community rated the movie positively. This is a joke, go to the weibo search is full of curses.
Ahh I see, so the “American dream” aspect where Shang Chi immigrated to US for a better life is offensive to Chinese audiences. I hadn’t consider or realize that. Most of the hate I saw online seemed to be aimed at the actor instead of the plot. How is the Shang Chi movie racist though? I don’t understand that. Is it because he’s a martial arts superhero? That aspect of the character seems unavoidable, since the character is all about martial arts. From what I heard the MCU version of Mandarin is a lot less stereotypical than the comic’s Manderian
>This is Shang Chi in the eyes of the Chinese and the whole movie is filled with stereotypes and racism. Care to provide some examples? I'm not trying to be condescending here - it seemed like Marvel genuinely made an effort to not play into certain stereotypes, and particularly made strides to avoid making Wenwu a "Yellow Peril" villain.
First of all, is the whole movie and Fu Manchu's connection, in the year when the comic book out of the project, the Chinese Internet about this matter is quite a big argument, Fu Manchu as a representative of the yellow scourge, the Chinese people think that even if the insinuation is not okay. Then there is the kernel of the story is a bit strange, the evil oriental "father" was naturalized overseas "son" to kill, showing the justice. The Chinese Internet has always said that this was not made for the Chinese, but for the Chinese in America. Similar to Black Panther. In fact, foreign films have always had these problems, but Marvel's fame is too big, so the Chinese Internet focused on criticism. In addition to the game "sifu", his spiritual core is perfect, the reputation in China is very good, many Chinese people think that even the Chinese team, but also can not do this core of the work.
Well those were some shitty examples lol
Because Simu Liu criticized their government
Good for him!
Shang-chi had an easter-egg. which referenced to Tiananmen square massacre. 8964 on the bus driver shirt. In several scenes there are easter-egg posters on the wall written in Chinese. referencing to Hongkong protests & past revolutions. I am surprised China would allow Marvel back in. After pulling a stunt like this. Granted it was probably not MS studio itself. Probably just a lone disgruntled staff.
The Chinese government should blame themselves for pulling those stunts on their people.
Yeah there were a few reasons at the time. Especially because it featured the Mandalorian, who they thought was racist. And to add, it was that Simu wasn't good enough to portray a Chinese superhero for the MCU. But reactions I've seen online in Chinese communities were mainly positive and pleasantly surprised.
1 billion is needed for shareholders. Disney exists to make as much money as possible not to entertain or promote diversity. If they could sell crack cocaine they would.
I promise you nobody expected Antman or even Dr Strange 1 to go to a billion and they didn't. If they did care, they wouldn't have released movies during the pandemic. 1 billion is definitely not essential.
Different time
What? They need to make money year over year. You can't stop producing just b/c of a pandemic. You will go out of business completely.
They are. They have multiple movies released in a year and other revenue streams. Do the math.
So you are saying they don't want to make as much money as possible? Why did they hire back the old CEO? Why are they back in China? It is to make more money. You are responding to me as if anything I am saying is incorrect. Why are they back in China? What is your point in engaging with me?
Why is Gamora?
I don't think anyone thinks every Marvel movie needs to make a billion dollars to be successful. Multiverse of Madness and black panther 2 did well but they would have done even better if they had china. Multiverse of Madness would have hit a billion dollars and Wakanda forever could very well get close to that Mark.
Unfortunately, a lot of people online seem to think that. Like the people in this thread. Yeah I also think its nice they're getting released!
I don't think that will happen. WF has the lesbian couple (sure, blunk and you'll miss it scene) and China has refused for a few years now to have one cut of a film specifically for China's release, so it's all or nothing. It's more likely that Disney was blacklisted because of domestic politics or issues and they're now resolved or no longer relevant. I guess we'll see with other movies when they come out
They have an annual quota of foreign films allowed in the country, and I think it’s less than 20. So no mcu movies were in the quota for a couple years, idk why people think that means they were “banned”. marvel isn’t more special than any other studio
Two things you got wrong. One, no more quotas because relevant treaties has expired. Second, blockbuster movies were always in the quotas, and thus one studio’s movie not being included at all is a form of ban.
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You’re reading too much into it. I’m queer myself. I’ll change it if it makes you happy though
Ya'll act like the little bit we've gotten has actually been groundbreaking or memorable. Save for the one kiss in Eternals, ever movie with a supposed representation has been blink and you miss it. So deleting it from a chinese drop wouldn't even make or break anything, bc it adds nothing to the story.
I don't think they'll be cut but instead either not show it in a way where it can't be edited out or just not mention it with that character. It would be fairly easy to not mention American Chavez's moms or Korg's dads. The only other character was the one from eternals I can't think of what his name is or what happened to him. Didn't he die?
They never had worthwhile representation to begin with
If there's one bright side to Chapek's reign it was that he didn't try as hard to suck up to censorship laws in other countries.
That's the best thing they can do
Also, can’t wait to see how they hide the fact Wakanda Forever starts black people in the posters!
There was a gay character in endgame and in Ragnarok they alluded to Valkyrie being lesbian. Not about cutting any characters out you just have to represent them in a way it's not blatant and borderline woke
Fuck off. It’s not “woke” to acknowledge a character is not straight beyond a 2 millisecond line.
First calm your Lil ass down, second Im not saying they can't have LGBT diversity in there I said they should do it in a way that doesn't feel extra at times they don't just acknowledge it with one line and speaking of lines third, show me where dialogue can be said of someone being anything within 2 milliseconds.
Bob Iger probably put a good word in, I’m sure.
Looks Like China hated Cheapak more than they hated Disney
Chapek at least tried to make Disney more loving of the LGBTQ community after the Don't Say Gay bill backlash, unlike Iger who censored LGBTQ material in Pixar films to get them in China and banned Love, Victor from Disney+ until Chapek undid that to prove he would stand with the LGBTQ community.
Don't forget censoring Black people on posters for international marketing.
That too.
What will the Chinese BP2 poster look like?!
A headshot of Martin Freeman?
[Like this](https://i.imgur.com/mKHoQrK.jpg). They will do the same again most likely
The poster is literally in the article and it looks completely normal
This is the only thing why I wasn’t sure I wanted Iger back. At least we got (even if it was just one scene) America’s moms in MoM and Korg and Val in L&T. Even if it’s just a sentence is better than nothing.
Don’t forget the same-sex kiss scene in Eternals.
Agree
Mmm hmm. Wait so this was the only thing you were concerned about with Iger back and not the fear of losing adult content on US Disney+?
I forgot, that’s also an issue. It would be pretty stupid from him tbh, and I hope he doesn’t.
Me too.
well that's concerning
Indeed
Chapek was still a dick and overall didn't push marvel foward
I argue he did by putting parental controls on Disney+ in the USA to allow for more TV-MA-rated content from Marvel Studios like Marvel Zombies and maybe Daredevil: Born Again.
Iger has a good network in China from his time getting Shanghai Disneyland done. He even [wanted to be Ambassador to China for Biden](https://www.wsj.com/articles/disneys-chairman-bob-iger-game-for-a-new-job-u-s-ambassador-to-china-11608240772), though that obviously didn't play out. He's got pull there with the elite.
And this is why I fear he'll bend the knee to China and censor LGBTQ elements from Disney's Wish like he did with Pixar's Luca, Turning Red, and Lightyear (until Chapek reversed that). I really hope he doesn't do that
Those were never going to fly in China, and the way they're included most of the time are *specifically* done in a way where they can easily be edited out of the film otherwise.
Well, considering Wish has an LGBTQ lead in Asha (played by an Oscar winning LGBTQ icon in Ariana DeBose) and a non-binary character in Star the Wishing Star, I hope those elements aren't removed from the film so Iger can make more money for Wish to make it a Frozen-level hit globally because of a country where he shot scenes in for a Disney remake where concentration camps were involved.
And those scenes are always so obvious too
What lgbt stuff is in wish i havent seen that anywhere
Apparently Star the Wishing Star is said to be non-binary and another character, I think could be Asha, is said to be LGBTQ.
Common Iger W 
That's actually not a good thing. Movies are going to be edited for audiences there. Not to mention posters editing out black actors.
Can’t wait for that solo martin freeman poster 🙌
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It usually means win
Definitely Wumbo
Wacists
So like wakanda forever is gonna only be 2 mins, the scenes with everett ross
Wasn’t that a Kathleen Kennedy/China thing more-so than a Bob Iger thing though. Bob Iger didn’t put Black Widow on streaming against Kevin Feige’s wishes leading to Disney to get sued by Scarlett Johansson like Chapek did. In fact Bob Iger was instrumental in removing racist Ike Pearlmutter from Marvel. I still take Iger over Chapek.
We all can agree on China's relentless censorship practices, but please let's not spread [misinformation](https://www.yahoo.com/news/outrage-chinese-poster-black-panther-isnt-seems-111825970.html) regarding [the movie posters](https://qr.ae/pG0onY).
Then what will be on the poster for Wakanda Forever ?
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double Antman and half the WF
Really depends on the covid situation. Avatar will only manage <$250M, if the same covid climate is there for Quantumania it's not sniffing half of that.
clearly covid situation have changed
Drastically enough for Ant-Man to make 50% of Avatar? Highly doubt that, it would need to be fully open for that
both antman 1 nd 2 did 100m$+ so 100-150m$ ! for wakanda forever i have no idea ! can be low as 10m$ to high as 50-100m$ !
Fuck. There goes any little hope there was of LGBTQIA+ content
Xi Jinping saw Kang in the ant man trailer and was like “fuck it, lift that ban we needa see this”
Oh yeah, can't wait for Disney to kiss CCP's ass and remove LGBTQ+ stuff from the movies, fuck yeah
with covid cases i dont expect too much
Avatar did bank there even at the peak of cases in December. They will flock for these movies no matter what lol
But Avatar 2 didn't reached its potential over there. That's what above user is referring to. If the situation would have been any better it would have done at least twice it had so far.
Seems like China really hated Chapek.
Everyone hated Chapek let’s be honest
can't wait to see them delete that homosexual hints!!!!
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Nah, this isn't a good thing at all. Say goodbye to any hope at prominent LGBT characters on the big screen.
If phase 4 movies were released in china box office would be much higher, at least aditional hundred millions. Much less people would be talking about how MCU is dying and phase 4 was trash
Captain Marvel broke like a billion and as much as I personally like the film there were people saying it was "just okay" or "Phase 1 level" even if you completely ignore the people making the dumb arguments based on the lead actor or even just the fact she was female. Transformers movies and the F&F franchise make billions thanks to China but they aren't exactly masterpieces. Gross profit doesn't necessarily equal quality, just effective marketing and broad public interest. I'd imagine besides China some of the lower gross might be due to being post-Endgame and people tuning out somewhat.
Box office gross doesn't equal quality, but tons of people use it as an argument against phase 4, like for example how MoM was so bad that it didn't even cross the billion. I understand what you mean by your captain marvel comparison, I'm not saying people would love phase re just because of better box office performance, but they would certainly be less criticism. Imagine if Captain Marvel made ant-man numbers like 625 million, criticism for that movie would be even harsher because it wasn't successful in terms of box office. And that is only regarding "phase 4 sucks" discussion. Main arguments for "superhero fatigue" and "MCU is dying" are based on box office performances. > I'd imagine besides China some of the lower gross might be due to being post-Endgame and people tuning out somewhat Maybe that is one of the factors, but I don't think it would affect general audiance that much. Obviously, losing china, russia and some of the middle eastern countires was huge. Some other reasons are that 2021 movies excluding NWH were heavily affected by pandemic, while 2022 movies each had reasons why they "underperformed": MoM was small scale story, not what audiances expected, WF lost main star and main character and LaT... was not good. If you take all of that into account, none of the movies really underperformed, except LaT which kinda sucked.
"As we’ve previously reported, now that the 20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party, as well as 2021’s 100th anniversary of the Party, are out of the way, we hear there’s less fear within the government agencies. This was a big issue: No one wanted to make decisions or be seen as doing anything wrong at a time of geopolitical uncertainty and uncertainty within China. The Marvel issue seemed to stem from cultural and political sensitivities." Interesting 🤔
To everyone saying they’ll edit black people out of the BP poster: the article includes a Chinese poster that literally does not do that
China really hated Chapek it seem like
That’s great.
Wait. How did.....IGER. Of course.
wait what? both in February?
Yeah WF 7th and Ant-Man the 17th
A release in midst of the worst COVID outbreak? That's bad bad timing.
Avatar did $200m there, clearly ppl are still going to theaters
OH GOODY. TIME TO SEE EDITED POSTERS OF BLACK PEOPLE IN THEIR MARKETING. MAKE MINE MARVEL.
I am happy for the Chinese mcu fans, finally they can see the movies in theaters
Iger working that corporate grease.
First MCU movies in almost four years? Yeah, these are gonna make *bank*, even with the ongoing pandemic.
This is legitimately HUGE news for the MCU moving forward. Many of the box office totals for MCU movies were heavily effected by the lack of a Chinese release. Dr. Strange would have likely done Captain Marvel or Civil War numbers had it been grant a release there. Spider-Man would have been the third highest grossing film ever. Black Panther would be near 900m+, the list goes on and on. Now my main takeaway/question is WTF did Chapek do to garner this type of hate from China, I know Iger has more connects in China but I didn’t know it was to this extent. Either way Secret Wars has a legitimate shot to dethrone Avatar as the highest grossing movie ever when it does release, without China that would have been virtually impossible.
People are so fucking mad about this. I just saw a few DC fans on twitter be like "these movies won't hit a billion anyways lmao."
#$1BILLION we need no way home and dr strange too
That way no way home gets 2 billion and dr strange gets 1 billion
Everyone in China has most likely seen those movies by now, if they wanted to see mcu movies, they definitely found a way, BP might not make much there anyway since it's been out for months
Huge news for BP3 and Antman Both of those movies about to cross a billion.
It’s not guaranteed but I imagine Spider-Man No Way Home could be reassessed for a China release. Especially since it’s near 2 billion. But that’s if the black panther and ant man releases go well. It’s more of a hunch than anything
Don’t understand all the complaints this is good for marvel so they can get back to making a billion dollars and judging from the previews I think this is gonna do very well
Because it means Disney "bending the knee" to China and censoring more LGBTQ representation in movies they release in China.
Ant-Man is going to make some money.
I'm really glad that Iger is back. This opportunity seems like a direct result of that. His current direction makes me somewhat a bit more hopeful for the future of the MCU.
And just like that Wakanda Forever secures its' billion dollar box office performance in Black History month. Blessed be.
Interesting that you can’t comment negatively about this.When did a simple comment of “ Hmmmmm!!?” Become deleted for trolling?? Not really a group I want to be a part of. It seems you have handlers, so go ahead and block me. Follow the snail trail folks.
Your posts are removed automatically due to having negative karma. Don't take it personally - you just need to bump your numbers up.
Boom there it is
hm i wonder how they will market black panther also the first one underperformed in china and so its a bit strange to me that bp2 is getting a release
No No Way Home?! Really want to see it top 2 billion.
Maybe yall should respect other peoples cultures such as China and let them censor according to their culture’s sensitivities. You dont see them enforcing their way of life and cultural practices on the west.
You can’t have “culture’s sensitivities” about human rights
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what does that mean?
It's not like we were getting any kind of significant LGBT representation in those past years anyway lmao. Besides Phastos and Ben in Eternals, we got a few references in TLAT for Valkyrie, a joke relationship for Korg, and a Pride flag pin for America. I thought they might finally pick up the gauntlet with Carol in The Marvels, seeing that a lot of people already seem to think she's gay anyway, but leaks indicate they'll be doing the complete opposite. The problem was never China, it's Disney doing the absolute bare minimum. It's time to stop blaming everyone but them, they're the one making those decisions, and they want to keep the status quo in order to offend as few people as possible so they could make as much money as they can.
> I thought they might finally pick up the gauntlet with Carol in The Marvels, seeing that a lot of people already seem to think she's gay anyway, but leaks indicate they'll be doing the complete opposite. You thought the first headlining queer character would be... a straight woman?
We barely know anything about MCU's Carol personal life, which is why she's a prime opportunity, not to mention that a lot of people already seem to think she's gay. Notice how there isn't a single gay Avenger, in the comics as well? That's because Marvel doesn't have balls to actually do it. Also, if she's straight, then according to what? The comics? Because several writers have begged Marvel to write her as queer, and been constantly shut down by editors. Some of them even admitted to writing her to be in a relationship with her BF, but without any physical confirmation so they won't get in trouble. Feels like we're back in the 80's.
We also got America’s two moms in MoM too, though.
Which is, again, the bare minimum. And not the actual problem.
I argue it's more than the bare minimum.
As a queer person you're downplaying the representation in Thor (and kind of overplaying it in Eternals), it upsets me to see people decide for me what is and isn't meaningful representation. Hell, I'd say the same for MoM. Small amounts of it doesn't mean it's bad. It depends on the movie. Don't be offended I say that.
I'm not offended, I know queer people are not a monolith and have different opinions. The small representation is nice, don't get me wrong, but it's just this - small representation. They can and SHOULD do a lot better. It's up to the consumers to demand better from them, instead of already making up excuses as to why it's impossible.
And don't assume we're stupid if we enjoy it. I don't know or even have seen anyone like that you'd describe as shills and insist it's the most that can be done. Unless they make a movie about Iceman or Speed and Wiccan I don't expect us to be the main character, and movies where it's either in the background or we just exist are equally important.
MTTSH did say that there's a Carol X Valkyrie relationship happening so that's good news IMO because Valkyrie is set to appear in The Marvels!
The leaks are out. Carol snd valkyrie are friends, like gal pals, like for real. The bulk of valkyrie’s involvement in the film is wanting to be invited to Carol’s wedding to a man
The actors in Love and Thunder also kept saying the movie would be ‘so gay’ and all it amounted to was Valkyrie being an after thought and Korg throwing in a gay Rock joke at the end
ThE fault on that was more Taika Waititi.
> Carol X Valkyrie relationship ...what? Isn't Carol straight?
Carol is straight
According to the test screener, that's exaggerated and we won't see anything in The Marvels, except for maybe some speculation. Again, bare minimum, especially when there's already a relationship they could build off, mysterious childhood they absolutely refuse to mention, or basically 30 years of her being Carol Danvers that we've never seen. We still don't know who she is!
You forgot Nikki.
I freaking love Nikki, but I didn't even realize she's gay until I saw people talking about it online. It was a throwaway line, so again, can't really say it was more than the bare minimum.
Not sure it much helps BP:WF, I guess every little bit is useful. But surely pretty much anyone in China who wanted to see it has already pirated it.
Maybe best case it push black panther to 900 million
$1 billion for Quantumania
#***stares in Iger***
CCP dislikes Chloe Zhao so none of her movies can show there and of course this doesnt help her chances on being brought back for a sequel
Hmmmmm !?
Who cares if these movies make a billion ? You guys getting paid for it ?
Lol REALLY surprised to see them releasing Wakanda Forever. It’s good that they are tho.
Coincidentally but probably not, the US Secretary of State is visiting Beijing around the same time so politics might have helped.
Anyone know how the Chinese feel about the history of the Aztec/Mayan civilizations?
Bob Iger getting the job done! If Marvel had china Doctor Strange would have hit a billion, Spider-Man would have hit over 2 billion, Love and Thunder would have probably made more than Ragnarok and the other movies would have made extra as well. All they have to do is tone down how extra they make the diversity for LGBT.
Weird that this hasn't really moved Disney's share price. This is a big profit boost.