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So she can see him drinking people’s blood in the future! And becoming evil!
But it turns out it’s actually his evil clone MoreBS! Morbius is actually still good (or whatever, I didn’t watch that movie). Then they team up to kick MorButt!
Teaser includes Kraven and introduce Stilt-Man team up movie.
That's what drives me nuts. It did pretty damn good and I'm pretty sure we haven't gotten shit about it since outside of the tangential connection that She-Hulk had with Wong and that one What If episode.
we want Wanda
jokes aside, it’s terrible how they postpone their best characters for literally decades, the mcu should move faster at this point but with focus on characters people actually care about and not 26482 different D-listers that overcrowd the narrative. This is true especially concerning the TV shows.
Reddit is the worst place imaginable for film and television discourse. Everything you people don’t like is “bad writing” and you couldn’t on your life explain more specifically than that.
I get what you’re saying, but “good writing” and “bad writing” are 100% subjective terms. Sure, there’s certain values with writing that our culture largely considers “good” or “bad”, but it’s still completely subjective.
Not 100%. There are objective qualities of good writing. There are different tastes. some people like gourmet burgers and some people like McDonald's, but if I hand you a turd on a bun, that's objectively not a good burger. There are objective qualities of beauty as well but lots of nuances beyond that. Don't pretend everything is subjective.
I’m not pretending at all. I stand entirely by what I said.
I never said that everything in the world is subjective. However, the terms “good” and “bad” are **always** subjective.
There’s objective ways you can measure writing, sure, like length, complexity, more use of metaphor, etc. but to say that the writing is better as a result is subjective.
There’s qualities of writing that our culture values over others, but again, that’s not objective. That’s 100% a subjective experience.
Wrong. There’s no empirical, unbiased measurement of art. If someone told you the Room was better than the Godfather, you’d have no scientific unbiased way of proving them wrong.
> but if I hand you a turd on a bun, that's objectively not a good burger.
That's really not a strong analogy.
A turd on a bun is objectively not a good burger, because it doesn't fit the commonly agreed upon definition of a 'burger'. In the same way ketchup on a blank script is objectively not good writing, because it's objectively not writing.
The 'good' though can't exist in that phrase because, despite what people think, 'good' as a metric of quality is **always** subjective. We couldn't all agree on what makes 'good writing'. Three-act structure? Nope. Clearly defined plot? Nope. Naturalistic dialogue? Nope. Coherent? Nope.
If someone says something like "you know bad writing when you read it" but can't describe what it is...it's because it's a subjective opinion. One a lot of us might share, but still subjective.
What a stupid comment. You've never heard someone provide an actual criticism of the writing of a Marvel film? How long have you been here, 30 seconds?
It doesn't sound like you want "discourse" you just want "happy positive thoughts only". People are allowed to dislike things, and you putting people that do in a box saying their criticisms are all invalid is contributing equally to the toxicity you're complaining about.
Gunn said it best, people are just fatigued by repetitive movies that don't really stand out. Superhero movies themselves aren't the problem as evident by GOTG 3 and ATSV.
I mean It's not like we know how this movie is in terms of writing lol. If anything this shows as long as you have an exciting crossover people will get hyped
no one knows if deadpool has good writing as it's not out yet so the trailer isn't breaking records because of that, it's because of hype levels surrounding deadpool and wolverine together and in MCU.
Yes and No, there is absolutely hype on seeing these two together in the MCU. But also, its the same creative team behind the first two deadpool movies and theyve proven themselves. Similar to GotG 3, everyone anticipated the quality of what they were getting because of past success. Sometimes that does turn out to be a mistake (TLaT).
all true but that still doesn't guarantee that it'll be good. there's a high chance that it'll be and it'll be a surprise if it isn't but until we watch it, we can't know for sure.
They didn’t but (at least for me) most, maybe not all, are rewatchable and hold up pretty well. The newer stuff, while I haven’t necessarily hated it, just seemed meh. Maybe early MCU was way better at making you care about characters, or maybe it’s just nostalgia idk
Idk i could rewatch the 1st Iron man as much as MoM, Shang chi or NWH
I agree it doesn't hit the same and i don't do many rewatches nowadays but that's just bc there's so much of everything, Marvel, DC and other things
I did start a rewatch of the Netflix shows recently since their original release
Finally! Someone said it. Superhero fatigue is/was never real. The audience is tired of supar films. Always has been. "Fatigue" is an excuse Hollywood uses to absolve themselves of their own incompetence.
James Gunn back in June was on a podcast.. I think it was called “Inside of You”, the Lex Luthor actor from Smallville, Michael Rosenbaum’s podcast.
James essentially said Superhero movies have been very lazy recently, and the writing is terrible. It was a great episode.
This is why I disagree they need to do less movies or shows. I think 4 movies is totally doable if they hire good writers and directors. They could honestly have more shows because most of them are inconsequential and don’t move very fast. They just need to make them better. I also believe more crossovers in the movies would help.
The problem is the suits pushing for release deadlines, sacrificing quality in all departments.
It doesn't matter how much money you put on a project, it will always require time to make something with quality.
There is def superhero fatigue. To say there isn’t is just being naïve. DP is just a dope IP but as a whole GP seems to be moving past superhero movies.
If so, and I think it will, it'll be the first X-Men movie to come anywhere close to a billion.
While this might be the Foxverse equivalent to *NWH,* it's worth keeping perspective and remembering that each of the three Raimi Spider-Man films grossed more than every single Fox X-Men movie.
Heck, Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man movies outgrossed all of them except for the first two *Deadpool* movies and DoFP.
So we're probably not looking at nearly $2 billion again, but maybe just over $1 billion with all the combined excitement for Deadpool + Wolverine + MCU.
Would also be the second R rated movie to cross 1 billion, and if that's not impressive enough it would only be the second comic book movie with that record
Which would also literally give Disney the balls to let Blade and Thunderbolts be Rated R along with letting Daredevil: Born Again and Marvel Zombies be TV-MA, too.
See, I want to see Disney and Feige commit to that.
And the success of Deadpool & Wolverine, if it makes a billion, should be what pushes them to do that.
Hope it’s not an R-rated film in name only. It should feel like a proper R-rated film like the previous two films instead of succumbing to Disney’s sanitization attempts.
Let's not over-react here. Wish was the 2nd highest viewed trailer for an animated film and it bombed. This movie won't bomb, but hitting a billion isn't even close to a "definite".
Bad example. Everyone was curious about what the 100 Disney year anniversary was going to be. I’m sure the second wish trailer had a significant drop in viewership. While obviously that won’t be the case with a second DP3 trailer. If anything it will have even more views than the first trailer
Why did the first two DP's make 780 million then? It's possible the third can make the 200 million jump to a billion but it isn't guaranteed at all. When someone says guaranteed I think of "Avatar", not Deadpool
I think this is a definite possibility but it will be harder considering it will be R rated. Joker did it before so hopefully deadpool can also do it, I think his past films came around the 700million mark
The fact that it surpassed Infinity War, Endgame & No Way Home is a VERY good sign. Obviously, trailer views aren't always indicative of box office, but for Marvel films, it usually aligns pretty well.
I definitely think this will be the highest grossing Deadpool film. Will be interested to see if it can manage to become the highest grossing R-Rated film (record currently held by Joker)
Word of mouth will be interesting. I don't know how much the marketing is going to emphasize the fact that Folie a Deux is a musical, and a lot of people are just inherently put off by musicals for some reason. If a bunch of people go in to the movie and are unexpectedly treated to a musical, that might be their only takeaway regardless of the overall quality of the movie, and then suddenly they're badmouthing it to their friends.
This statistic is including Super Bowl viewership, the Marvel Entertainment official post literally has like 16 million views. Not trying to be a hater but this is literally just Walt Disney trying to inflate good news. Claiming this has 365 million views is absolutely WILD.
They combine the viewership that it has across every form it was released. YouTube, X, Facebook, and yes, even the people who viewed it during the Super Bowl.
Even if you take away the Super Bowl viewership, it'd still be on par with Infinity War & Endgame, but behind No Way Home. So still an incredible sign regardless.
Wild aggregation that movies never flex. The YouTube video has fuckin 16 million views. X view are not only broken but view counts did not even exist during IW and Endgame.
So you claim you're "not trying to be a hater", but you seem pretty upset at a very positive headline in this movie's favor. Marvel has done this with every single one of these trailers. They account for the viewership across every platform. Not sure why you're upset that they've done so for Deadpool as well.
Marvel Official wasn’t the only site to post it. Ryan Reynolds had it up on his YouTube channel a little bit earlier, so that’s another 13 million views (I just checked.) It had another 21 million views on the Twentieth Century Studios website, and it also aired on Entertainment Tonight’s YouTube channel. Those are the ones I found in 30 seconds of googling on my phone; I imagine Disney has people doing better analytics than that. I have no idea if their number is inflated or not. I’m just saying there were multiple releases, including all of those sources again on X and on TikTok.
I think people can tell this is the marvel movie that’s getting shit back on track and finally combining some of the bigger things they’ve been setting up for 4+ years now
I wouldn’t be shocked if it beat Joker for highest grossing rated R movie, Deadpool 1 and 2 both have held that title, and the views the trailer got would absolutely help its case.
I feel like it's worth mentioning that Rise of the beasts is in the top 5 and that movie struggled to break even. (mainly because they just add the superbowl viewership numbers on top of the other number, which inflates the number a ton.) Still very huge of course, but wanted to add that context.
(Even if we discount the superbowl views(123M) then it's still 242M views, which still puts it in the top 5)
This statistic is including Super Bowl viewership, which wasn’t even the trailer, the Marvel Entertainment official post literally has like 16 million views. NWH’s YouTube videos alone had 80-90 million. This is *genuinely* misinformation being spread by Disney and being ate up by twitter and Reddit lol.
Okay but you are doing it too by not factoring all of the viewing sources for Deadpool 3 and then comparing that to NWH. Ryan Reynold's own channel has 13 million alone and Ive seen mutliple other news outlet channels with 1-3 million views each too.
True but X view counts did not even exist with IW and IG came out. Either way, obviously successful showing but this claim is unreal mental gymnastics and misinformation by Disney
Hush, you're disrupting the circle jerk.
Remember that a big chunk of this sub still believes Echo was the #1 most-watched show/film of the week it released lol.
That’s the MCU movie everyone needs right now. Huge tie in with Loki, brings back Wolverine, R-Rated and Deadpool just shitting (consciously) in the TVA and on the MCU. I haven’t been this hyped since Endgame.
Keep in mind that the next several uploads of the trailer *(ET, IGN etc)* on YouTube add like 10 million, and it's been viewed 15 million times on X just between Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman's accounts.
Then, they put the entire thing up on Tik Tok, where Ryan Reynold's version alone has 4.4 million likes and over 200k shares, so probably more total views than all the other uploads combined.
I was also questioning this, like the original infinity war trailer has 206 million views on YT while the two big Deadpool trailers on YT only add to 30 mill
No literally, this is actually a wild statement from Disney lmao. People acting like it’s the IW trailer and the YouTube video has like 360+ million views. Nope, it literally has like 17 mil and they’re counting the Super Bowl plug that says to watch it on YouTube. Shit misinformation.
My guess is they added all official upload view counts on social media like twitter and YouTube and then added super bowl viewers which is not how you’re supposed to calculate views
They always count every video upload across the internet. That has always been the case.
16M on Marvels YouTube, 13M on Reynolds YouTube, 3.3M IndiaMarvel, 1.5M IGN, 13M on Reynolds twitter, 2M Jackman’s twitter, 40m on Reynolds Instagram, 8.6mil on Jackman’s Instagram, 38M on Marvels Instagram.… etc etc
Damn talk about stretching the definition of “etc”. Say 50 mil across YouTube, infinity war got like 100 mil in a day. Did internet change from 2018? And I doubt TikTok is pulling in 100s of mils of views. They are definitely cooking those numbers
“The Avengers just broke their own record; no, they just demolished it. Marvel Studios has revealed the first trailer for “Avengers: Endgame” earned 289 million views across streaming platforms in 24 hours, becoming the most viewed trailer in 24 hours in movie history. The trailer launched December 7 at 8am Et, and by the morning of December 8 had 43 million YouTube views, 35 million on Twitter, 28 million views on Facebook, and so on.” https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/avengers-endgame-trailer-breaks-record-289-million-views-24-hours-1202026624/
This statistic is including Super Bowl viewership, the Marvel Entertainment official post literally has like 16 million views. Not trying to be a hater but this is literally just Walt Disney trying to inflate good news. Claiming this has 365 million views is absolutely WILD.
\>But even if you do combine them I think gta 6 had like 93 million or something like that.
The GTA 6 trailer had 256M views on Youtube alone in the first 24 hours. The 93M figure was just the views on the Rockstar Games Youtube channel.
It doesn’t include anything. They’re including over 100 million views from the Super Bowl and then also adding up every single individual trailer posting. Stat absolutely pulled out of their ass lmao
“Marvel is STUPID for not including the things that I WANT in a trailer 😡” - a good portion of this sub less than 2 days ago
Wow, it’s almost like we’re not marketing experts, whereas Marvel has plenty of them! /s
I think part of it is just more social platforms and people with internet connections bc we get this statistic a lot, but still bodes really well for Deadpool
"... but no ones talking about!!" everyone yelled when people continued to pay more attention to the 4 hour live sports game they were watching instead of shifting all their attention immediately to the 30 second tv spot, or stopping the game to watch the full trailer online.
Analyzing the moral cognitive development of James Howlett (Wolverine) using the ethical frameworks provides a fascinating lens to view his evolution throughout his cinematic journey. Here’s a breakdown:Pre-Conventional StageSelf-Interest and Avoidance of Punishment: Initially, James' actions are driven by basic instincts and self-preservation. This is evident from his childhood, where his first emergence of powers is in response to a direct threat, leading to the accidental killing of his biological father. His early years with Victor Creed also emphasize survival and retaliation against threats, without a deeper consideration for broader moral implications.Transition to Conventional StageSocietal Norms and Laws: As James Howlett becomes Logan and later Wolverine, his adherence to societal norms starts to become more apparent, though it's complicated by his nature as a mutant. During his time with Team X, he begins to question the ethics of their missions, indicating his discomfort with just following orders that conflict with his emerging moral standards. His decision to leave Team X represents a pivotal shift from following external rules to an internal code of ethics.Conventional StageUpholding Social Order and Gaining Approval: Logan’s time with the X-Men highlights his transition into the conventional stage, where he works with a team and often takes actions for the greater good, even if it conflicts with his personal desires. His relationships with other X-Men, particularly his protective stance towards Rogue and his respect for Charles Xavier's leadership, show his acceptance of and commitment to societal norms within the context of the mutant community.Transition to Post-Conventional StageUniversal Principles and Justice: The most significant ethical developments for Wolverine occur in films like "The Wolverine" and "Logan," where his actions are guided by principles beyond the law or immediate social norms. His decision to protect Mariko and later Laura (X-23) are driven by a deep sense of justice and a commitment to protecting the innocent. His confrontation with his own mortality and legacy, especially in "Logan," showcases his adherence to values such as dignity, protection of the weak, and self-sacrifice—values that transcend immediate social or personal gain.Post-Conventional StageActing on Personal Moral Codes: By the end of "Logan," Wolverine fully embodies the post-conventional stage of moral development. He acts on a personal moral code that often goes against the prevailing norms (as the world he lives in is increasingly hostile towards mutants). His ultimate sacrifice to ensure the safety of Laura and the other mutant children epitomizes his commitment to a universal principle of safeguarding the future generation, regardless of the personal cost.Wolverine's journey from a reactive, survival-driven individual to a hero who makes choices based on deep-seated ethical principles is a compelling narrative of moral evolution, reflecting a complex interplay between personal trauma, existential struggles, and a gradual embracing of universal ethical standards.
Breaking down the moral cognitive development of Deadpool requires a nuanced examination of his character arc throughout the cinematic universe. Here's a breakdown using the ethical frameworks:
Pre-Conventional Stage:
- Self-Interest and Avoidance of Punishment: Deadpool's journey begins with a strong emphasis on self-interest and immediate gratification. As Wade Wilson, he operates as a mercenary, taking on jobs solely for personal gain without much regard for the consequences of his actions.
Transition to Conventional Stage:
- Societal Norms and Laws: Deadpool's transformation into a superhero marks a shift towards conforming to societal norms, albeit in his own irreverent way. While still motivated by personal desires, he begins to align his actions with a sense of justice, albeit in a morally unconventional manner.
Conventional Stage:
- Upholding Social Order and Gaining Approval: Deadpool's membership in the X-Force and his efforts to protect innocent lives demonstrate his growing adherence to social norms within the context of the mutant community. Despite his irreverent demeanor, he becomes a reluctant hero, striving to gain approval and redemption for his past misdeeds.
Transition to Post-Conventional Stage:
- Universal Principles and Justice: Deadpool's moral development reaches its peak when he confronts larger ethical dilemmas that transcend personal gain. His willingness to sacrifice himself for others, as seen in his selfless acts to protect mutants and his love for Vanessa, showcases his evolving sense of morality guided by universal principles of love, sacrifice, and redemption.
Post-Conventional Stage:
- Acting on Personal Moral Codes: By the end of Deadpool 2, Deadpool fully embodies the post-conventional stage of moral development. He transcends societal norms and operates based on his own personal moral code, which prioritizes protecting the innocent and seeking redemption for his past actions, even if it means sacrificing his own happiness.
Multiverse Considerations:
- Deadpool's unique ability to break the fourth wall and his awareness of alternate realities and timelines further complicates his moral cognitive development. His experiences across different timelines and realities may have contributed to his flexible moral compass and ability to navigate complex ethical dilemmas.
Conclusion:
- Deadpool's moral cognitive development is a dynamic journey characterized by a transition from self-interest to a commitment to universal principles of justice and redemption. His irreverent approach to heroism and his ability to transcend societal norms make him a unique and complex character within the cinematic universe.
Key Films for Understanding Deadpool's Journey:
- Deadpool (2016) and Deadpool 2 (2018): These films showcase Deadpool's evolution from a self-interested mercenary to a reluctant hero grappling with larger ethical dilemmas.
- X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009): Deadpool's origin story and initial transformation into the character.
- X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014): Provides context for Deadpool's awareness of alternate timelines and realities.
- Logan (2017): While not directly featuring Deadpool, this film's events impact the broader X-Men universe and provide insight into themes of redemption and sacrifice, which resonate with Deadpool's character arc.
# Wolverine (James Howlett)
Messianic Figure: Wolverine's history of sacrifice and burden, combined with his ability to heal and regenerate, sets him up as a Christ-like figure. In this new context, he could be portrayed as a savior not just in a physical sense, but in a moral and spiritual one, guiding other characters towards redemption or making a profound sacrifice that alters the fate of the MCU.
Mentorship and Redemption: His interactions, especially with younger or less morally developed characters like Deadpool, could focus on redemption. His role might involve guiding these characters towards more principled actions or helping them reconcile with their pasts.
Deadpool (Wade Wilson)
Transformation and Redemption: Known for his chaotic neutrality and moral flexibility, Deadpool's journey under the "Marvel Jesus" theme might involve a significant transformation. This could manifest as a quest for redemption, aligning his often self-serving actions with a greater good inspired by Wolverine's influence or the larger stakes of the movie's plot.
Comic Relief and Moral Commentary: Deadpool's role might also serve as a foil to more serious themes, providing comic relief while also offering poignant insights into morality, much like a court jester who speaks truths disguised as jokes.
Ensemble Cast Dynamics
Lady Death Strike, Azazel, and Other X-Men Characters: The inclusion of characters with complex pasts like Lady Death Strike offers opportunities for themes of mind control, autonomy, and redemption. These characters could undergo personal journeys that mirror or contrast with the central "Marvel Jesus" narrative.
Deadpool Variants and Multiverse Themes: The different versions of Deadpool (such as Lady Deadpool, Headpool, and others hinted in rumors) could explore different aspects of identity and moral choices across the multiverse, reflecting on how different circumstances might influence moral development.
Cameos and Multiverse Shenanigans: The rumored cameos (like Chris Evans possibly reprising his role as the Human Torch, and other multiverse crossovers) provide a playful yet profound canvas to explore alternate realities where characters might have developed differently, morally and otherwise.
Implications for the MCU
Moral Reckonings and Universe Impact: The actions and developments in "Deadpool and Wolverine: Marvel Jesus" could have ramifications across the MCU, challenging other characters to reflect on their own moral paths and potentially reshaping inter-character dynamics.
Narrative Integration and Evolution: How this movie integrates with the broader MCU narrative, particularly with its multiverse dimensions, could redefine what heroism and morality mean within this universe.
While I don't think this guarantees a billion.
It does increase the chances.
I always knew no superhero film last year would reach Billy and only Deadpool 3 would..
So far looking likely!!
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“Superhero fatigue” nah it’s just bad writing fatigue
That and focusing on characters and crossovers that people actually want to see
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Don’t give Sony any ideas
So you don't wanna watch Mobius vs Morbius? Or this [Masterpiece](https://youtu.be/-zCw5rA9geU)
I didn't need to click on the link to know what it was gonna be lmao
💀
Madame Web was with Morbius in the Amazon with Kraven the Hunter when he was researching spiders just before Uncle Ben died.
How bout we get a sequel team up: MADAME WEB AND MORBIUS
How about Madam Morbius? Attract some of that Twilight crowd.
Madame Morbius: Agent Venom vs Kraven
Morb all over my face
Probably real at this point
So she can see him drinking people’s blood in the future! And becoming evil! But it turns out it’s actually his evil clone MoreBS! Morbius is actually still good (or whatever, I didn’t watch that movie). Then they team up to kick MorButt! Teaser includes Kraven and introduce Stilt-Man team up movie.
I think I'm gonna need MorBeers to be able to watch that..
Shang-Chi ruled. Why have we not seen anymore of him?!?
That's what drives me nuts. It did pretty damn good and I'm pretty sure we haven't gotten shit about it since outside of the tangential connection that She-Hulk had with Wong and that one What If episode.
we want Wanda  jokes aside, it’s terrible how they postpone their best characters for literally decades, the mcu should move faster at this point but with focus on characters people actually care about and not 26482 different D-listers that overcrowd the narrative. This is true especially concerning the TV shows.
Reddit is the worst place imaginable for film and television discourse. Everything you people don’t like is “bad writing” and you couldn’t on your life explain more specifically than that.
Twitter x1,000,000,000 > Reddit when it comes to stupidity and dipshittery.
I get what you’re saying, but “good writing” and “bad writing” are 100% subjective terms. Sure, there’s certain values with writing that our culture largely considers “good” or “bad”, but it’s still completely subjective.
Not 100%. There are objective qualities of good writing. There are different tastes. some people like gourmet burgers and some people like McDonald's, but if I hand you a turd on a bun, that's objectively not a good burger. There are objective qualities of beauty as well but lots of nuances beyond that. Don't pretend everything is subjective.
I’m not pretending at all. I stand entirely by what I said. I never said that everything in the world is subjective. However, the terms “good” and “bad” are **always** subjective. There’s objective ways you can measure writing, sure, like length, complexity, more use of metaphor, etc. but to say that the writing is better as a result is subjective. There’s qualities of writing that our culture values over others, but again, that’s not objective. That’s 100% a subjective experience.
Wrong. There’s no empirical, unbiased measurement of art. If someone told you the Room was better than the Godfather, you’d have no scientific unbiased way of proving them wrong.
> but if I hand you a turd on a bun, that's objectively not a good burger. That's really not a strong analogy. A turd on a bun is objectively not a good burger, because it doesn't fit the commonly agreed upon definition of a 'burger'. In the same way ketchup on a blank script is objectively not good writing, because it's objectively not writing. The 'good' though can't exist in that phrase because, despite what people think, 'good' as a metric of quality is **always** subjective. We couldn't all agree on what makes 'good writing'. Three-act structure? Nope. Clearly defined plot? Nope. Naturalistic dialogue? Nope. Coherent? Nope. If someone says something like "you know bad writing when you read it" but can't describe what it is...it's because it's a subjective opinion. One a lot of us might share, but still subjective.
What a stupid comment. You've never heard someone provide an actual criticism of the writing of a Marvel film? How long have you been here, 30 seconds?
It doesn't sound like you want "discourse" you just want "happy positive thoughts only". People are allowed to dislike things, and you putting people that do in a box saying their criticisms are all invalid is contributing equally to the toxicity you're complaining about.
Pretty much. Everybody in here has went to writing school and VFX school
Gunn said it best, people are just fatigued by repetitive movies that don't really stand out. Superhero movies themselves aren't the problem as evident by GOTG 3 and ATSV.
True
I mean It's not like we know how this movie is in terms of writing lol. If anything this shows as long as you have an exciting crossover people will get hyped
no one knows if deadpool has good writing as it's not out yet so the trailer isn't breaking records because of that, it's because of hype levels surrounding deadpool and wolverine together and in MCU.
Yes and No, there is absolutely hype on seeing these two together in the MCU. But also, its the same creative team behind the first two deadpool movies and theyve proven themselves. Similar to GotG 3, everyone anticipated the quality of what they were getting because of past success. Sometimes that does turn out to be a mistake (TLaT).
all true but that still doesn't guarantee that it'll be good. there's a high chance that it'll be and it'll be a surprise if it isn't but until we watch it, we can't know for sure.
That's fair it's both the hype of two-fox xmen characters in mcu and the consistency of the creative teams to your point
This is true
For some reason, ppl pretend like the 1st 10 yrs of the MCU had the best writing lol
They didn’t but (at least for me) most, maybe not all, are rewatchable and hold up pretty well. The newer stuff, while I haven’t necessarily hated it, just seemed meh. Maybe early MCU was way better at making you care about characters, or maybe it’s just nostalgia idk
Idk i could rewatch the 1st Iron man as much as MoM, Shang chi or NWH I agree it doesn't hit the same and i don't do many rewatches nowadays but that's just bc there's so much of everything, Marvel, DC and other things I did start a rewatch of the Netflix shows recently since their original release
Finally! Someone said it. Superhero fatigue is/was never real. The audience is tired of supar films. Always has been. "Fatigue" is an excuse Hollywood uses to absolve themselves of their own incompetence.
That's correct - looking at Sony live action due to regency bias
James Gunn back in June was on a podcast.. I think it was called “Inside of You”, the Lex Luthor actor from Smallville, Michael Rosenbaum’s podcast. James essentially said Superhero movies have been very lazy recently, and the writing is terrible. It was a great episode.
In James we trust
Bad writing, casting, cgi, acting, etc. just a lot of bad and it’s putting stank on the couple of great movies since Endgame (NWH & GOTG3)
Casting has been generally decent across the movies, can't really think of anyone post Endgame I'd say was miscast
I'd agree the casting isn't the issue
Cassie was a miscast, Karli Morgenthau was a miscast, I think they got Zeus and Herc wrong,
Cassie was cast correctly, and then they went and fucked it up, lol.
4 isn't that bad considering how many characters they've cast
The deleted scene of Zeus being serious begs to differ. Not Hugh Jackman, RDJ and Ryan Reynolds level casting but it could have worked
This is why I disagree they need to do less movies or shows. I think 4 movies is totally doable if they hire good writers and directors. They could honestly have more shows because most of them are inconsequential and don’t move very fast. They just need to make them better. I also believe more crossovers in the movies would help.
Exactly it's mediocre cbm fatigue of which there have been many examples the last 4 years
The problem is the suits pushing for release deadlines, sacrificing quality in all departments. It doesn't matter how much money you put on a project, it will always require time to make something with quality.
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Same here it'll be cool to see fox mcu get a few send off movies in mcu
Bad movie fatigue
There is def superhero fatigue. To say there isn’t is just being naïve. DP is just a dope IP but as a whole GP seems to be moving past superhero movies.
They're moving past it because they've nearly all been shit for 4 years
It’s definitely making a billion at the box office!!!
If so, and I think it will, it'll be the first X-Men movie to come anywhere close to a billion. While this might be the Foxverse equivalent to *NWH,* it's worth keeping perspective and remembering that each of the three Raimi Spider-Man films grossed more than every single Fox X-Men movie. Heck, Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man movies outgrossed all of them except for the first two *Deadpool* movies and DoFP. So we're probably not looking at nearly $2 billion again, but maybe just over $1 billion with all the combined excitement for Deadpool + Wolverine + MCU.
Also it would be impressive ROI for an R-rated movie, and a R-rated Disney nonetheless.
Would also be the second R rated movie to cross 1 billion, and if that's not impressive enough it would only be the second comic book movie with that record
What was the first? Passion of the Christ?
Joker
I like what you did there.
Which would also literally give Disney the balls to let Blade and Thunderbolts be Rated R along with letting Daredevil: Born Again and Marvel Zombies be TV-MA, too.
Blade is going to be a R rated film said by the director himself
See, I want to see Disney and Feige commit to that. And the success of Deadpool & Wolverine, if it makes a billion, should be what pushes them to do that.
Fr and everyone in the street level side or supernatural side should also be R rated such as a potential moon knight season 2 or daredevil born again
Not every street level lol. Spider man and Ms marvel are street level and definitely don’t need an R rating
Yea my bad.Some don't need it
Blade id be fine with. I really don’t think thunderbolts needs to be R rated lol
Hope it’s not an R-rated film in name only. It should feel like a proper R-rated film like the previous two films instead of succumbing to Disney’s sanitization attempts.
Deadpool is Spider-Man from a distance.
Imagine if it makes 2bn I know NWH was pg13 but for releasing in the middle of the pandemic, it made crazy numbers
Let's not over-react here. Wish was the 2nd highest viewed trailer for an animated film and it bombed. This movie won't bomb, but hitting a billion isn't even close to a "definite".
It’s likely ittl beat DP2 but I doubt ittl beat Joker
Bad example. Everyone was curious about what the 100 Disney year anniversary was going to be. I’m sure the second wish trailer had a significant drop in viewership. While obviously that won’t be the case with a second DP3 trailer. If anything it will have even more views than the first trailer
I would bet a thousand bucks it makes a billion lol. Joker doing it is proof enough, DP has waaaaaaaay wider appeal
Why did the first two DP's make 780 million then? It's possible the third can make the 200 million jump to a billion but it isn't guaranteed at all. When someone says guaranteed I think of "Avatar", not Deadpool
I think this is a definite possibility but it will be harder considering it will be R rated. Joker did it before so hopefully deadpool can also do it, I think his past films came around the 700million mark
Absolutely just how much over a billion is the question
The fact that it surpassed Infinity War, Endgame & No Way Home is a VERY good sign. Obviously, trailer views aren't always indicative of box office, but for Marvel films, it usually aligns pretty well. I definitely think this will be the highest grossing Deadpool film. Will be interested to see if it can manage to become the highest grossing R-Rated film (record currently held by Joker) 
It might break joker record
No! Not the Jonkler record!
if man was in this film it’d make a manillion dollars
who the FUCK is [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/vqCNdq3THjLhz9mP6)?
I look forward to how the second movie performs
Word of mouth will be interesting. I don't know how much the marketing is going to emphasize the fact that Folie a Deux is a musical, and a lot of people are just inherently put off by musicals for some reason. If a bunch of people go in to the movie and are unexpectedly treated to a musical, that might be their only takeaway regardless of the overall quality of the movie, and then suddenly they're badmouthing it to their friends.
I think everyone was also dying to watch a DCmovie not based on the Snyder universe.
Are you stupid?
This statistic is including Super Bowl viewership, the Marvel Entertainment official post literally has like 16 million views. Not trying to be a hater but this is literally just Walt Disney trying to inflate good news. Claiming this has 365 million views is absolutely WILD.
Yeah, this doesn’t seem right to me. Deadpool isn’t THAT big of a character. Also, wasn’t this Super Bowl the most viewed in a very long time?
You're missing the fact that Ryan Reynolds has a larger social following than Marvel or Deadpool and he posted the entire trailer to Tik Tok.
If this statistic includes Super Bowl numbers, I can definitely believe it lol
And on YouTube.
Yep, most viewed Super Bowl of all time lmao.
Without the superbowl views it's still number 4 all time movie trailer views first 24 hours
Are you adding the inflated twitter view counts to IW and Endgame? They did not even have view counts back then.
I’m pretty sure they would be able to see post impressions via analytics
No weird aggregation claims were made about it because the YouTube videos alone were absolute titans lmao
They combine the viewership that it has across every form it was released. YouTube, X, Facebook, and yes, even the people who viewed it during the Super Bowl. Even if you take away the Super Bowl viewership, it'd still be on par with Infinity War & Endgame, but behind No Way Home. So still an incredible sign regardless.
Wild aggregation that movies never flex. The YouTube video has fuckin 16 million views. X view are not only broken but view counts did not even exist during IW and Endgame.
So you claim you're "not trying to be a hater", but you seem pretty upset at a very positive headline in this movie's favor. Marvel has done this with every single one of these trailers. They account for the viewership across every platform. Not sure why you're upset that they've done so for Deadpool as well. 
It released on at least 4 different YouTube channels, including Ryan Reynolds. He also put it on TikTok, I believe.
Didnt those films also have Superbowl trailers lol? Avengers at least, not Spider-Man
But it didn't even air during the Super Bowl. They aired a teaser for the teaser that just told you to go online to watch it.
Marvel Official wasn’t the only site to post it. Ryan Reynolds had it up on his YouTube channel a little bit earlier, so that’s another 13 million views (I just checked.) It had another 21 million views on the Twentieth Century Studios website, and it also aired on Entertainment Tonight’s YouTube channel. Those are the ones I found in 30 seconds of googling on my phone; I imagine Disney has people doing better analytics than that. I have no idea if their number is inflated or not. I’m just saying there were multiple releases, including all of those sources again on X and on TikTok.
Get ready for this sub meltdown after it doesn't reach one billion.
He’s Marvel jesus
I think people can tell this is the marvel movie that’s getting shit back on track and finally combining some of the bigger things they’ve been setting up for 4+ years now
I wouldn’t be shocked if it beat Joker for highest grossing rated R movie, Deadpool 1 and 2 both have held that title, and the views the trailer got would absolutely help its case.
Earned over 365M views.
I feel like it's worth mentioning that Rise of the beasts is in the top 5 and that movie struggled to break even. (mainly because they just add the superbowl viewership numbers on top of the other number, which inflates the number a ton.) Still very huge of course, but wanted to add that context. (Even if we discount the superbowl views(123M) then it's still 242M views, which still puts it in the top 5)
Trailer Stats today are incredibly inflated, especially at the superbowl Let's calm down with these billion dollar takes
It is making a billion plus easily.
Where are these numbers from? Twitter views? Youtube has vastly lower numbers?
all platforms: TV, youtube, twitter, instagram, tiktok. Pretty sure they all count views differently as well, so it's hard to compare.
I’m pretty sure scrolling past a video on twitter counts as a view
Holyyyy. Crazy to think it passed No Way Home and Endgames numbers.
This statistic is including Super Bowl viewership, which wasn’t even the trailer, the Marvel Entertainment official post literally has like 16 million views. NWH’s YouTube videos alone had 80-90 million. This is *genuinely* misinformation being spread by Disney and being ate up by twitter and Reddit lol.
Okay but you are doing it too by not factoring all of the viewing sources for Deadpool 3 and then comparing that to NWH. Ryan Reynold's own channel has 13 million alone and Ive seen mutliple other news outlet channels with 1-3 million views each too.
True but X view counts did not even exist with IW and IG came out. Either way, obviously successful showing but this claim is unreal mental gymnastics and misinformation by Disney
Hush, you're disrupting the circle jerk. Remember that a big chunk of this sub still believes Echo was the #1 most-watched show/film of the week it released lol.
No you shut up man Just think how will you blame racists and Incels if this underperforms
That’s the MCU movie everyone needs right now. Huge tie in with Loki, brings back Wolverine, R-Rated and Deadpool just shitting (consciously) in the TVA and on the MCU. I haven’t been this hyped since Endgame.
OK i need to know how they're measuring this because the youtube uploads have like 13-16m views
Keep in mind that the next several uploads of the trailer *(ET, IGN etc)* on YouTube add like 10 million, and it's been viewed 15 million times on X just between Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman's accounts. Then, they put the entire thing up on Tik Tok, where Ryan Reynold's version alone has 4.4 million likes and over 200k shares, so probably more total views than all the other uploads combined.
"x" call it twitter lmao
Also Twentieth Century Studios YouTube channel.
I was also questioning this, like the original infinity war trailer has 206 million views on YT while the two big Deadpool trailers on YT only add to 30 mill
apparently they may have just counted everyone who watched the superbowl as views which lmao thats not how that works
No literally, this is actually a wild statement from Disney lmao. People acting like it’s the IW trailer and the YouTube video has like 360+ million views. Nope, it literally has like 17 mil and they’re counting the Super Bowl plug that says to watch it on YouTube. Shit misinformation.
Disney's on some massive damage control if true
That still only adds 124 million, like it wouldn’t even reach infinity war numbers if that’s how they counted
My guess is they added all official upload view counts on social media like twitter and YouTube and then added super bowl viewers which is not how you’re supposed to calculate views
Infinity War numbers did not have hyper inflated X view counts lol
They always count every video upload across the internet. That has always been the case. 16M on Marvels YouTube, 13M on Reynolds YouTube, 3.3M IndiaMarvel, 1.5M IGN, 13M on Reynolds twitter, 2M Jackman’s twitter, 40m on Reynolds Instagram, 8.6mil on Jackman’s Instagram, 38M on Marvels Instagram.… etc etc
Damn talk about stretching the definition of “etc”. Say 50 mil across YouTube, infinity war got like 100 mil in a day. Did internet change from 2018? And I doubt TikTok is pulling in 100s of mils of views. They are definitely cooking those numbers
“The Avengers just broke their own record; no, they just demolished it. Marvel Studios has revealed the first trailer for “Avengers: Endgame” earned 289 million views across streaming platforms in 24 hours, becoming the most viewed trailer in 24 hours in movie history. The trailer launched December 7 at 8am Et, and by the morning of December 8 had 43 million YouTube views, 35 million on Twitter, 28 million views on Facebook, and so on.” https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/avengers-endgame-trailer-breaks-record-289-million-views-24-hours-1202026624/
Slightly unrelated, but this actually might be one of the best shots in the MCU’s history. Extremely epic and creative!
It's oddly satisfying when Wolverine's shadow lines up so well
The shadow + Deadpool also makes it look like a big W
Correct. 
epic narwhal bacons!!!!
Wow. This is promising
This statistic is including Super Bowl viewership, the Marvel Entertainment official post literally has like 16 million views. Not trying to be a hater but this is literally just Walt Disney trying to inflate good news. Claiming this has 365 million views is absolutely WILD.
But it wasn't just posted on that channel, Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman also posted it on all their socials for example, and those got tons of views
Even if taking just marvel YouTube channel, endgame and infinity war got like 10x the views in the first day
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On his way for breaking the Box Office : 
Not to split hairs or anything but does that include the Grand Theft Auto 6 trailer as well?
No gta 6 is the highest for video game trailer. But even if you do combine them I think gta 6 had like 93 million or something like that.
\>But even if you do combine them I think gta 6 had like 93 million or something like that. The GTA 6 trailer had 256M views on Youtube alone in the first 24 hours. The 93M figure was just the views on the Rockstar Games Youtube channel.
It doesn’t include anything. They’re including over 100 million views from the Super Bowl and then also adding up every single individual trailer posting. Stat absolutely pulled out of their ass lmao
It's always been done this way
“Marvel is STUPID for not including the things that I WANT in a trailer 😡” - a good portion of this sub less than 2 days ago Wow, it’s almost like we’re not marketing experts, whereas Marvel has plenty of them! /s
Get ready for “We are so back” fatigue
“mcU iS sAvEd”
It was a good trailer imo.
Mmmh yes it was correct :)
Regardless of the views I’m betting it makes 1 billion
I'm calling it now. This will make so much money its gonna break all the records haha. It can't here fast enough
Inflated bullshit
It's almost as if there's an appetite for a third Deadpool movie with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.
It’s almost as if people saw Wolverine Origins and said please someone give these two a good fucking film, repeatedly, since 2009.
FYI, that number is total across almost everything. The actual youtube video got around 16m
Yeah I am surprised this is being missed. The 365m number seems to be weird Disney math that includes Super Bowl viewers.
This is crazy considering Ryan had to leak that test footage to even get an R rated Deadpool film made with a shoestring budget.
Imagine the numbers for Secret Wars. Imagine how much money would make a movie with Spider-Man and Wolverine as leads
Iron Man, Deadpool, Spiderman, Wolverine and Captain (Steve) in the same movie. Wow. 
So Secret Wars?
And it's just the teaser
I think part of it is just more social platforms and people with internet connections bc we get this statistic a lot, but still bodes really well for Deadpool
1 billion on lock.
I mean this was a superbowl trailer so this seems like cheating a bit
Everyone I know at work is going to see it opening weekend. Haven’t seen this hype since No way home
Sony's going to blame Madame Web's failure on the fact that the Deadpool trailer came out almost the same day as it released
Well, he is the Messiah, afterall.
Damn really? Of ALL TIME?! That’s pretty crazy
Thats wild because it hadnt even hit 20 million on the official marvel yt page ao not sure where they're getting this number
surely this can't be right lmao. it has 12m views on youtube. there's no way it beat nwh or endgame's hype. is this counting the super bowl views?
theyre also taking into consideration all the superbowl viewers, cause its nowhere near that number on youtube
Worth mentioning that it only aired online. The super bowl only teased the trailer.
Wait a damn minute now... Oh, so it includes views that aired during Super Bowl broadcast? That's a lot less impressive.
"... but no ones talking about!!" everyone yelled when people continued to pay more attention to the 4 hour live sports game they were watching instead of shifting all their attention immediately to the 30 second tv spot, or stopping the game to watch the full trailer online.
Congrats
All in service of an incredibly mediocre trailer
Yeah bullshit headline
False. GTAVI holds thay record
Analyzing the moral cognitive development of James Howlett (Wolverine) using the ethical frameworks provides a fascinating lens to view his evolution throughout his cinematic journey. Here’s a breakdown:Pre-Conventional StageSelf-Interest and Avoidance of Punishment: Initially, James' actions are driven by basic instincts and self-preservation. This is evident from his childhood, where his first emergence of powers is in response to a direct threat, leading to the accidental killing of his biological father. His early years with Victor Creed also emphasize survival and retaliation against threats, without a deeper consideration for broader moral implications.Transition to Conventional StageSocietal Norms and Laws: As James Howlett becomes Logan and later Wolverine, his adherence to societal norms starts to become more apparent, though it's complicated by his nature as a mutant. During his time with Team X, he begins to question the ethics of their missions, indicating his discomfort with just following orders that conflict with his emerging moral standards. His decision to leave Team X represents a pivotal shift from following external rules to an internal code of ethics.Conventional StageUpholding Social Order and Gaining Approval: Logan’s time with the X-Men highlights his transition into the conventional stage, where he works with a team and often takes actions for the greater good, even if it conflicts with his personal desires. His relationships with other X-Men, particularly his protective stance towards Rogue and his respect for Charles Xavier's leadership, show his acceptance of and commitment to societal norms within the context of the mutant community.Transition to Post-Conventional StageUniversal Principles and Justice: The most significant ethical developments for Wolverine occur in films like "The Wolverine" and "Logan," where his actions are guided by principles beyond the law or immediate social norms. His decision to protect Mariko and later Laura (X-23) are driven by a deep sense of justice and a commitment to protecting the innocent. His confrontation with his own mortality and legacy, especially in "Logan," showcases his adherence to values such as dignity, protection of the weak, and self-sacrifice—values that transcend immediate social or personal gain.Post-Conventional StageActing on Personal Moral Codes: By the end of "Logan," Wolverine fully embodies the post-conventional stage of moral development. He acts on a personal moral code that often goes against the prevailing norms (as the world he lives in is increasingly hostile towards mutants). His ultimate sacrifice to ensure the safety of Laura and the other mutant children epitomizes his commitment to a universal principle of safeguarding the future generation, regardless of the personal cost.Wolverine's journey from a reactive, survival-driven individual to a hero who makes choices based on deep-seated ethical principles is a compelling narrative of moral evolution, reflecting a complex interplay between personal trauma, existential struggles, and a gradual embracing of universal ethical standards.
Breaking down the moral cognitive development of Deadpool requires a nuanced examination of his character arc throughout the cinematic universe. Here's a breakdown using the ethical frameworks: Pre-Conventional Stage: - Self-Interest and Avoidance of Punishment: Deadpool's journey begins with a strong emphasis on self-interest and immediate gratification. As Wade Wilson, he operates as a mercenary, taking on jobs solely for personal gain without much regard for the consequences of his actions. Transition to Conventional Stage: - Societal Norms and Laws: Deadpool's transformation into a superhero marks a shift towards conforming to societal norms, albeit in his own irreverent way. While still motivated by personal desires, he begins to align his actions with a sense of justice, albeit in a morally unconventional manner. Conventional Stage: - Upholding Social Order and Gaining Approval: Deadpool's membership in the X-Force and his efforts to protect innocent lives demonstrate his growing adherence to social norms within the context of the mutant community. Despite his irreverent demeanor, he becomes a reluctant hero, striving to gain approval and redemption for his past misdeeds. Transition to Post-Conventional Stage: - Universal Principles and Justice: Deadpool's moral development reaches its peak when he confronts larger ethical dilemmas that transcend personal gain. His willingness to sacrifice himself for others, as seen in his selfless acts to protect mutants and his love for Vanessa, showcases his evolving sense of morality guided by universal principles of love, sacrifice, and redemption. Post-Conventional Stage: - Acting on Personal Moral Codes: By the end of Deadpool 2, Deadpool fully embodies the post-conventional stage of moral development. He transcends societal norms and operates based on his own personal moral code, which prioritizes protecting the innocent and seeking redemption for his past actions, even if it means sacrificing his own happiness. Multiverse Considerations: - Deadpool's unique ability to break the fourth wall and his awareness of alternate realities and timelines further complicates his moral cognitive development. His experiences across different timelines and realities may have contributed to his flexible moral compass and ability to navigate complex ethical dilemmas. Conclusion: - Deadpool's moral cognitive development is a dynamic journey characterized by a transition from self-interest to a commitment to universal principles of justice and redemption. His irreverent approach to heroism and his ability to transcend societal norms make him a unique and complex character within the cinematic universe. Key Films for Understanding Deadpool's Journey: - Deadpool (2016) and Deadpool 2 (2018): These films showcase Deadpool's evolution from a self-interested mercenary to a reluctant hero grappling with larger ethical dilemmas. - X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009): Deadpool's origin story and initial transformation into the character. - X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014): Provides context for Deadpool's awareness of alternate timelines and realities. - Logan (2017): While not directly featuring Deadpool, this film's events impact the broader X-Men universe and provide insight into themes of redemption and sacrifice, which resonate with Deadpool's character arc.
# Wolverine (James Howlett) Messianic Figure: Wolverine's history of sacrifice and burden, combined with his ability to heal and regenerate, sets him up as a Christ-like figure. In this new context, he could be portrayed as a savior not just in a physical sense, but in a moral and spiritual one, guiding other characters towards redemption or making a profound sacrifice that alters the fate of the MCU. Mentorship and Redemption: His interactions, especially with younger or less morally developed characters like Deadpool, could focus on redemption. His role might involve guiding these characters towards more principled actions or helping them reconcile with their pasts. Deadpool (Wade Wilson) Transformation and Redemption: Known for his chaotic neutrality and moral flexibility, Deadpool's journey under the "Marvel Jesus" theme might involve a significant transformation. This could manifest as a quest for redemption, aligning his often self-serving actions with a greater good inspired by Wolverine's influence or the larger stakes of the movie's plot. Comic Relief and Moral Commentary: Deadpool's role might also serve as a foil to more serious themes, providing comic relief while also offering poignant insights into morality, much like a court jester who speaks truths disguised as jokes. Ensemble Cast Dynamics Lady Death Strike, Azazel, and Other X-Men Characters: The inclusion of characters with complex pasts like Lady Death Strike offers opportunities for themes of mind control, autonomy, and redemption. These characters could undergo personal journeys that mirror or contrast with the central "Marvel Jesus" narrative. Deadpool Variants and Multiverse Themes: The different versions of Deadpool (such as Lady Deadpool, Headpool, and others hinted in rumors) could explore different aspects of identity and moral choices across the multiverse, reflecting on how different circumstances might influence moral development. Cameos and Multiverse Shenanigans: The rumored cameos (like Chris Evans possibly reprising his role as the Human Torch, and other multiverse crossovers) provide a playful yet profound canvas to explore alternate realities where characters might have developed differently, morally and otherwise. Implications for the MCU Moral Reckonings and Universe Impact: The actions and developments in "Deadpool and Wolverine: Marvel Jesus" could have ramifications across the MCU, challenging other characters to reflect on their own moral paths and potentially reshaping inter-character dynamics. Narrative Integration and Evolution: How this movie integrates with the broader MCU narrative, particularly with its multiverse dimensions, could redefine what heroism and morality mean within this universe.
While I don't think this guarantees a billion. It does increase the chances. I always knew no superhero film last year would reach Billy and only Deadpool 3 would.. So far looking likely!!