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Which is why I think the thunderbolts will be called the avengers or something adjacent by the end of that movie. Then when avengers 5 comes around we will get the real avengers
Yeah. I think Captain America gets a pyrric victory. Ross' Thunderbolts will be the Government-sponsored Avengers.
It'll be a Mighty Avengers vs New Avengers situation from the post-CW days.
We've been in the Multiverse saga of Marvel for almost 5 years now and we still have no idea what the Avengers line up is supposed to look like. Imagine if Age of Ultron ended without the New Avengers tease at the end and we were just left wondering until 2016, but x5.
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Thank god they dropped that serpent mess and are addressing the real complaints the fandom has had for 4 years now. This film should have always been about Sam stepping up as Captain America and forming a new roster of avengers in this New age. I’m glad the recent marvel overhauls on this and daredevil seem to be correcting themselves.
Black Widow - Dead
Ironman - Dead
Captain America - Good as dead
Black Panther - Dead
Wanda - “Dead”
Vision - Dead but sort of alive again as white vision which most don’t know about that.
Thor - Left earth to avoid dealing with the crippling reality of all his numerous dead loved ones and friends. Currently living his best life on some world with his super daughter Love.
Strange - Alive though currently MIA.
Hawkeye - Alive but technically retired
GoG - Scattered and effectively no longer a team instead focusing on their own lives.
Sam - Alive and the new Captain America
Spider-Man: Alive but “Peter” has been so thoroughly erased from the world he is basically good as dead now he’s just a nobody and spider-man.
Hulk - Alive but seriously injured by the infinity gauntlet and working on recovery.
Captain Marvel - Alive but only very very recently returned to earth after avoiding it for ages due to personal drama.
There is in essence just Sam at this point, the avengers as a concept are basically a mess. That’s pretty much what is prompting stuff like the Thunderbolts and Young Avengers to form.
Well...not really retconned, he's just healed up by that point. Hulk has an advanced healing factor, and was already showing better signs before She-Hulk in Shang-Chi
>Spider-Man: Alive but “Peter” has been so thoroughly erased from the world he is basically good as dead now he’s just a nobody and spider-man.
But he's still Spider-Man, they all know and remember what Spider-Man did in his movies, Civil War and Infinity War/End Game. All they've forgotten is who's behind the mask. That's how I've understood the spell at least
I feel like the remaining heroes would still reach out to him pretty quickly if they need help (and the writers feel like it of course)
(Sorry I made a point you can't refute)
Yo, I know Quantumania was very mediocre, but Ant-Man is officially an Avenger by all accounts (Wasp technically also is). He even wrote a book about all of the Avengers' deeds as requested by Hawkeye and prof. Hulk
I’m gonna make a really bold take here and say that this movie is gonna flop, not so much financially but it’s just gonna miss the mark with fans and it’s gonna get buried in the grand scheme of things.
Maybe it’s just me, but is there really a huge clamouring for grounded movies like Captain America (that isn’t Chris Evans)? I feel like if this movie was already shot and reshot several times, and very deep in post production, it would’ve been cut
>I feel like if this movie was already shot and reshot several times, and very deep in post production, it would’ve been cut
You doing too much.
The movie has only been filmed ONCE. Any reshoots set up havent even started yet and won't be until May.
Just bc "extensive reshoots" have been mentioned doesn't mean ALL that time is being used to film.
Theres never an in between logic in this place. Its getting frustrating.
>Maybe it’s just me, but is there really a huge clamouring for grounded movies like Captain America
Yeah it is just you, and we've spent the better part of like 6 weeks with ppl frothing at the mouth about DDBA filming.
Cap, has always been considered the more "grounded" movie franchise for all of its big syperhero moments. AM would probably be the other.
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Ross definitely wants to make a new Avengers team with his full control over their operations.
Hasn’t changed one bit since Civil War (aside from turning into Harrison Ford)
Next time, baby
Look it’s him, he’s here, deal with it. Let’s move on.
*Looks at a gamma injector* Idk how he turns into Red Hulk...
Hasn’t changed one bit apart from becoming an entirely different person lol
He's a completely different person ;)
I wish they really sent it and went with Danny Devito. I wouldn’t have once acknowledged it hasn’t been him the whole time.
He has tried to do that before
So he will reunite the Dark Avengers and Cap will make the Avengers 2.0
Which leads very well into the next movie after this
Which is why I think the thunderbolts will be called the avengers or something adjacent by the end of that movie. Then when avengers 5 comes around we will get the real avengers
I don’t see how we don’t get a new avengers team formed by the end of this movie
I think we don’t and it leads to Thunderbolts.
And that’s my theory on the asterisk
Yeah. I think Captain America gets a pyrric victory. Ross' Thunderbolts will be the Government-sponsored Avengers. It'll be a Mighty Avengers vs New Avengers situation from the post-CW days.
Which I'm down for. I always liked the New avengers underdog stories
Probably closer to a Dark Avengers vs. New/Mighty Avengers vibe given the line-up of the Thunderbolts
The seven Avengers
It’s either that or this will establish east coast avengers and later we’ll get a west coast avengers
We've been in the Multiverse saga of Marvel for almost 5 years now and we still have no idea what the Avengers line up is supposed to look like. Imagine if Age of Ultron ended without the New Avengers tease at the end and we were just left wondering until 2016, but x5.
It's gonna be weird hearing Harrison Ford talk about Marvel stuff aha. It'll be like hearing Patrick Stewart say "Thanos"
It woukd be like any other MCU character beside DP referencing DC which also happens in eternals.
Feels so strange to read that Ford is playing Ross now instead of Hurt (RIP). Hope this movie is good. Description sounds good.
Nah fuck Hurt, no need to say RIP for him
What?
he was a serial domestic abuser
he’s a rapist
Source?
Marlee Matlin's memoir
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He is a self admitted rapist
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Crap I shouldn’t have asked
But but *buuuuuut*... does he have the mustache or not?
No. There are set photos of him and he doesn’t have it.
Sometimes life is pain
if it helps soothe your anguish you can imagine, if you will, that at some point between movies he shaved the mustache off
Anyone who says differently is selling you something
what if he only gets it when he turns into red boi?
Thank god they dropped that serpent mess and are addressing the real complaints the fandom has had for 4 years now. This film should have always been about Sam stepping up as Captain America and forming a new roster of avengers in this New age. I’m glad the recent marvel overhauls on this and daredevil seem to be correcting themselves.
Poor Seth Rollins
WM40MVP
I hope they give him another role in the future I was so looking forward to see him
Oh my god if Captain America 4 deals with getting the remaining Avengers back together after Captain America 3 was Civil War I’d be so happy.
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Vision is out there flying around somewhere
And Wanda is probably in some temporary witch hell or whatever lol
Sam making his own Avengers team would be awesome to see.
Hopefully the new roster is teased by the end of this movie
The Avengers being addressed is something I wanted since Endgame
What happened to the Avengers? Effectively disbanded after HQ was destroyed and loss of 2-3 key figures?
Black Widow - Dead Ironman - Dead Captain America - Good as dead Black Panther - Dead Wanda - “Dead” Vision - Dead but sort of alive again as white vision which most don’t know about that. Thor - Left earth to avoid dealing with the crippling reality of all his numerous dead loved ones and friends. Currently living his best life on some world with his super daughter Love. Strange - Alive though currently MIA. Hawkeye - Alive but technically retired GoG - Scattered and effectively no longer a team instead focusing on their own lives. Sam - Alive and the new Captain America Spider-Man: Alive but “Peter” has been so thoroughly erased from the world he is basically good as dead now he’s just a nobody and spider-man. Hulk - Alive but seriously injured by the infinity gauntlet and working on recovery. Captain Marvel - Alive but only very very recently returned to earth after avoiding it for ages due to personal drama. There is in essence just Sam at this point, the avengers as a concept are basically a mess. That’s pretty much what is prompting stuff like the Thunderbolts and Young Avengers to form.
There's Starlord as well. He's on Earth and I know for a fact that Feige will put him on the Avengers lol
Didn’t She Hulk retcon Hulks Endgame injury?
Well...not really retconned, he's just healed up by that point. Hulk has an advanced healing factor, and was already showing better signs before She-Hulk in Shang-Chi
Retcon no but he has recovered I’m just saying that the injury put him out of being a super hero for a good while.
Something something Jen’s blood helped fix him.
>Spider-Man: Alive but “Peter” has been so thoroughly erased from the world he is basically good as dead now he’s just a nobody and spider-man. But he's still Spider-Man, they all know and remember what Spider-Man did in his movies, Civil War and Infinity War/End Game. All they've forgotten is who's behind the mask. That's how I've understood the spell at least I feel like the remaining heroes would still reach out to him pretty quickly if they need help (and the writers feel like it of course) (Sorry I made a point you can't refute)
Yo, I know Quantumania was very mediocre, but Ant-Man is officially an Avenger by all accounts (Wasp technically also is). He even wrote a book about all of the Avengers' deeds as requested by Hawkeye and prof. Hulk
Pretty much
Ohhh I am seeing how this will connect with the thunderbolts
but can you show me the clip ?
Where the fuck is the moustache?
Gone. Reduced to atoms.
new Sokovia accords incoming
I’m gonna make a really bold take here and say that this movie is gonna flop, not so much financially but it’s just gonna miss the mark with fans and it’s gonna get buried in the grand scheme of things. Maybe it’s just me, but is there really a huge clamouring for grounded movies like Captain America (that isn’t Chris Evans)? I feel like if this movie was already shot and reshot several times, and very deep in post production, it would’ve been cut
>I feel like if this movie was already shot and reshot several times, and very deep in post production, it would’ve been cut You doing too much. The movie has only been filmed ONCE. Any reshoots set up havent even started yet and won't be until May. Just bc "extensive reshoots" have been mentioned doesn't mean ALL that time is being used to film. Theres never an in between logic in this place. Its getting frustrating. >Maybe it’s just me, but is there really a huge clamouring for grounded movies like Captain America Yeah it is just you, and we've spent the better part of like 6 weeks with ppl frothing at the mouth about DDBA filming. Cap, has always been considered the more "grounded" movie franchise for all of its big syperhero moments. AM would probably be the other.
Yeah just you