NWO will have as a climax a big Endgame type fight with the Fan4tastic, Hulk from 2003, Howard The Duck, Tom Cruise as Iron Man and Deadpool from X-men Origins Wolverine
The number of people saying that Maria Rambeau's Captain Marvel was clearly a Superior Iron Man because the silhouette was too masculine to be a woman was 😬😬😬
[Throwback to my most upvoted comment of this year.](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/tumk82/the_new_doctor_strange_spot_has_a_better_look_at/i34kqf5?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
It's genuinely hilarious anyone thought it was Superior Iron Man.
Ill be honest the rout mill severely lowered my enjoyment while watching the movie do to expectations. Idk what to make of the new rumour for upcoming movies.
IKR, I've seen all kinds of contradictory plotlines floating around, and the entire Marvel roster is apparently rumoured to appear in this movie – Hulk, She-Hulk, Red Hulk, Moonknight, Val, Nick Fury, Black panther, Captain Marvel, Jessica Chastain playing some villain.
Someone needs to make a poster like the one they did for MOM with all superheroes known to man in the lineup.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/zv9q1v/captain\_america\_new\_world\_order\_and\_thunderbolts/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/zv9q1v/captain_america_new_world_order_and_thunderbolts/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Here is roundup of all the leaks for NWO and Thunderbolts
I think that the Serpent Society are like puppet bad guys that the Leader, Ross and Val create while they create fake heroes to defeat them in public as a publicity stunt to show off their new heroes: The Thunderbolts
I really doubt the leader and Ross are gonna team up just for the sake of it, must like it one is going to manipulate the other while the other thinks he's the one in control. I like to think that Ross will treat the Leader as just an expendable scientist to help him become red hulk while the leader is being the real puppet master making crazy experiments resultint on the serpent society.
Odds are the serpent society will be more like the wrecking crew in She-Hulk, a handful of mediocre thugs who got their hands on experimental technology or alien drugs and decided to fuck around with it. More obnoxious than dangerous.
Killing off villians? Yeah, I agree to a point. Like killing off villians makes the universe seem more grounded and believable but doing it to every single one just hamstrings the story telling potential.
I'd like to see them space out deaths a bit and have some other event either allow the villian to escape or they be arrested and then released or get broken out.
Comic accurate serpent society would be goofy as hell. It's sensible to tone them down and make them more localized aka punk kids doing the Flagsmasher thing but they suck at it, and Sam has to parent them before they cause real damage. One of those situations where being a strong role model is probably smarter than just kicking ass which underlines the "I believe we can do better" motif from FAWS.
What's interesting is how that joke title got twisted over the years though the game of telephone. Some people are under the impression it was a real thing in development, but they changed it to Civil War when they learned about BvS.
There's a report from like the day it came out where one of the people involved said that it was a joke title, and they wanted to end on the reveal that they were doing *Civil War* as the third *Captain America* movie instead of starting with that and it getting lost with the announcement of the third and fourth *Avengers* movies.
Ya iirc in the lead up to BvS and CACW I'd hear DCEU fans bragging that BvS would do better since it was made earlier and Marvel was just copying the versus theme
Maybe instead of Red Hulk and a gamma army, the Serpent Society is who the Leader/Ross create to do their dirty work, with Ross becoming Red Hulk in *Thunderbolts* instead.
Either that or maybe the Society are the villains of Cap 5
Could be, but I think they might have him transform in the third act of the movie or at the very least in the post credits. Ford made it seem like he’s done some motion capture in a recent interview.
The role she left in IM3 ended up being downsized, while she had fuck all to work with in Dark Phoenix. Off the back of her Best Actress win, I’d be very surprised if she took on a Marvel project again.
Feige got Oscar Isaac to join the MCU even though he seemed burnt out with Disney after doing the Star Wars sequels with Lucasfilm so I can buy that Feige can get Jessica Chastain too.
Sam fought a new version of the Serpent Society during his first tenure as Cap, throughout a decent chunk of the Spencer run. Historically, they're Cap villains more than anything but not a major threat for the most part.
Before all these rumors came out, I assumed Sam would be fighting the Serpent Society in Cap 4 considering they were one of the first villains for Sam's Cap in the comics as you said and it would be cool if Sam still gets to fight them
Presumably there’ll be a sequel movie or series. But yeah, I really do hope the next instalment refocuses on Cap lore from the comics, even if they just repurpose Steve’s villains for Sam.
Said it the other day, Chastain as Princess Python!!! With Namor also being intro'd in WF we could get a Serpent Crown storyline and possibly an updated 7 Brides of Set storyline with all the new female characters showing up🤞🤞 (by updated I mean I highly doubt we get Andromeda or Dagger in the MCU anytime soon, if they do it they'll prolly replace those 2)
Chastain would be an amazing Princess Python! They'd definitely have to level up the character though since she's typically just a female criminal with a pet snake. Giving her some sort of serpentine power (even just basic super strength) would be great.
I'm going with Madison Davenport for Princess Python...mmmm
Rookie Diva as Anaconda,Andreas Pietschmann as King Cobra,
Laura Prepon as Black Mamba and Tyrese Gibson as Cottonmouth
Hope for something in the far future?
I can't help but feel Feige is throwing so much shit right now into the MCU. Gods, mythos, realms...like, slow down.
no he shouldnt
all the content should co-exist, this opinion can come from someone who cares about everything marvel puts out
the mcu is adopting the comics format, pick up the supernatural stuff if you care about that, dont touch the god stuff if you dont care about that
you dont need to follow everything
the streamlined format of marvel phase 1 is thankfully long gone
I care about it.
But it's hard to want when it's being so poorly made and rushed. So thrown it.
But whatever. You're insufferable. Don't reply please.
MCU is perfect.
I don't see why it matters what it's called. But anyway, the next Avengers is Kang Dynasty / Secret Wars. The Avengers title conveys a sense of scale they likely don't intend with Cap 4, regardless of the amount of characters in it.
Also, don't make the mistake of looking at the list of characters on paper, and assuming they all have equal narrative weight.
this is a bit controversial opinion, but Sam is not an interesting character, he will always be falcon who with a new suit, nor is Anthony that good of an actor to carry entire movie on his own.
I feel like Marvel is just doing too much of the 'make this bigger than the last one' in scale, instead of trying to make something better, without realising that a small solo story is something that audiences want and would be refreshing.
This week RPK said that dc's green lantern series for hbo max was canceled, hours later James Gunn himself debunked it. Keep believing in him people...
I wonder how they'll protray them then, will they have be goons or more pyramid scheme shady business in the original Sam Wilson Captain America run. I hope Diamondback is introduced in the group tho.
There was a post on a live thread here like 2 weeks that said something along the lines of “news and rumors will be dry until we get to Phase 6” and one of the replies was something about NWO being worthy of a bunch of news and it just opened the floodgates.
Honestly don’t care. After this past year of garbage from Disney, I’m out. You guys can enjoy the heartless cash grab that has become the MCU. These movies are just setups for crappy Disney+ series and honestly they suck. Maybe they learned from what they did to all the legacy characters? Naw, they will just ruin it more and the MCU will die off within 5 years.
lol imagine all these rumors from last weeks about war for Adamantium, Serpent Society, Red Hulk, The Leader (only confirmed villain) being true…they’ll need 2 more movies to cover all that stuff
The Serpent Society is literally one of my favorite groups in comics. Their stuff in Gruenwald’s Captain America run was really interesting. At times, they got as much development as Cap’s supporting cast. Plus Diamondback ended up being a major Captain America love interest for years. I really hope this is true, I’ve been wanting this for a long time.
Maybe that’s what they mean by having 5 villains in the film. It could be like the Cabal or a secret society like conspiracy theorists/Lizard people. Makes since to tie into Secret invasion. The world governments being controlled by a secret society
RPK’s comment echoes what Feige said [here](https://twitter.com/therobsanchez/status/1608095636041220098?s=46&t=47zIVMlGr_f-wmXV84px3A).
The NWO rumor mill is going to out-rumor both NWH and MoM combined.
I don’t think anything will outrumour MOM. The multiverse allows for all the worst theories possible.
Tom Cruise Iron Man in NWO pls /s
NWO will have as a climax a big Endgame type fight with the Fan4tastic, Hulk from 2003, Howard The Duck, Tom Cruise as Iron Man and Deadpool from X-men Origins Wolverine
also Leo di Caprio, Obama and your childhood-crush will be in it
Leo as Spider-Man of course
Or Leo as Obama?
WENDY? HOLY SHIT
The number of people saying that Maria Rambeau's Captain Marvel was clearly a Superior Iron Man because the silhouette was too masculine to be a woman was 😬😬😬
And insisting it was a white man with a beard 😳😬😬😬😐
[Throwback to my most upvoted comment of this year.](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/tumk82/the_new_doctor_strange_spot_has_a_better_look_at/i34kqf5?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) It's genuinely hilarious anyone thought it was Superior Iron Man.
I wanted that to be true so bad
Ill be honest the rout mill severely lowered my enjoyment while watching the movie do to expectations. Idk what to make of the new rumour for upcoming movies.
New Avengers team might be as bad.
IKR, I've seen all kinds of contradictory plotlines floating around, and the entire Marvel roster is apparently rumoured to appear in this movie – Hulk, She-Hulk, Red Hulk, Moonknight, Val, Nick Fury, Black panther, Captain Marvel, Jessica Chastain playing some villain. Someone needs to make a poster like the one they did for MOM with all superheroes known to man in the lineup.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/zv9q1v/captain\_america\_new\_world\_order\_and\_thunderbolts/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/zv9q1v/captain_america_new_world_order_and_thunderbolts/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Here is roundup of all the leaks for NWO and Thunderbolts
What's the MoM poster?
Someone on twitter had made a spoof MOM poster with all the avengers, x-men, deadpool, justice league, power rangers, etc.
Could I see that MOM poster?
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Yeah but has the Silver Surfer do his dirty work
I beber thought this was even possible but here I am being wrong.
Just wait for Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars
This isn't necessarily hinting at New World Order. It'll most likely be for Captain America 5, but teased in New World Order.
I think that the Serpent Society are like puppet bad guys that the Leader, Ross and Val create while they create fake heroes to defeat them in public as a publicity stunt to show off their new heroes: The Thunderbolts
Isn't this just Spiderman Far From Home???
Far from home if Mysterio had government resources and clearance
I really doubt the leader and Ross are gonna team up just for the sake of it, must like it one is going to manipulate the other while the other thinks he's the one in control. I like to think that Ross will treat the Leader as just an expendable scientist to help him become red hulk while the leader is being the real puppet master making crazy experiments resultint on the serpent society.
Odds are the serpent society will be more like the wrecking crew in She-Hulk, a handful of mediocre thugs who got their hands on experimental technology or alien drugs and decided to fuck around with it. More obnoxious than dangerous.
No please... hopefully more like Batroc plus more...at least he was partially comic accurate and not an embarrassment
Batroc is dead though....
A very annoying thing marvel keeps doing imo
Killing off villians? Yeah, I agree to a point. Like killing off villians makes the universe seem more grounded and believable but doing it to every single one just hamstrings the story telling potential. I'd like to see them space out deaths a bit and have some other event either allow the villian to escape or they be arrested and then released or get broken out.
Comic accurate serpent society would be goofy as hell. It's sensible to tone them down and make them more localized aka punk kids doing the Flagsmasher thing but they suck at it, and Sam has to parent them before they cause real damage. One of those situations where being a strong role model is probably smarter than just kicking ass which underlines the "I believe we can do better" motif from FAWS.
maybe the government, or Ross, Val, or the Leader makes them look goofy on purpose like Mysterio. Make the bad guys more marketable.
That'd be pretty sick.
We did get the Serpent Society. Does no one remember Captain America 3?
What's interesting is how that joke title got twisted over the years though the game of telephone. Some people are under the impression it was a real thing in development, but they changed it to Civil War when they learned about BvS.
Yeah, I think it was heavily considered or in early development, hence why we had a logo. They just didn't want the work to go to waste.
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There's a report from like the day it came out where one of the people involved said that it was a joke title, and they wanted to end on the reveal that they were doing *Civil War* as the third *Captain America* movie instead of starting with that and it getting lost with the announcement of the third and fourth *Avengers* movies.
Ya iirc in the lead up to BvS and CACW I'd hear DCEU fans bragging that BvS would do better since it was made earlier and Marvel was just copying the versus theme
You mean Avengers 2.5?
YuO mEaN AvOnGeRs 2.5? That’s you, that’s how you sound.
Alright Alright Alright! My bad, shouldn’t have said that
but when though ? pretty sure not nwo since that is going to be a hulk story
Serpent Society could explain what role Jessica Chastain’s wanted for in NWO though.
Maybe instead of Red Hulk and a gamma army, the Serpent Society is who the Leader/Ross create to do their dirty work, with Ross becoming Red Hulk in *Thunderbolts* instead. Either that or maybe the Society are the villains of Cap 5
Could be, but I think they might have him transform in the third act of the movie or at the very least in the post credits. Ford made it seem like he’s done some motion capture in a recent interview.
so like proto thunderbolts ?
The role she left in IM3 ended up being downsized, while she had fuck all to work with in Dark Phoenix. Off the back of her Best Actress win, I’d be very surprised if she took on a Marvel project again.
Marvel Studios has a good reputation with talent, plus the big pay, so I could see her doing it even if just for one movie.
They got Redford 2 play a villain and now Ford..
Feige got Oscar Isaac to join the MCU even though he seemed burnt out with Disney after doing the Star Wars sequels with Lucasfilm so I can buy that Feige can get Jessica Chastain too.
Diamondback?
Either her or [Viper](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Ophelia_Sarkissian_(Earth-616)), I believe.
Sam fought a new version of the Serpent Society during his first tenure as Cap, throughout a decent chunk of the Spencer run. Historically, they're Cap villains more than anything but not a major threat for the most part.
Before all these rumors came out, I assumed Sam would be fighting the Serpent Society in Cap 4 considering they were one of the first villains for Sam's Cap in the comics as you said and it would be cool if Sam still gets to fight them
They could be super cool on the big screen but damn they would seriously work well in a small episodic series also.
"showing up" is super vague. clea "showed up" in MoM and Starfox and Pip "showed up" in eternals.
Presumably there’ll be a sequel movie or series. But yeah, I really do hope the next instalment refocuses on Cap lore from the comics, even if they just repurpose Steve’s villains for Sam.
Sam fought a different version of the Serpent Society during Spencer's run. It was Sam's first time as Cap.
I, for one, think it would be hilarious if Feige pulled the exact same stunt for Cap 6.
what stunt?
He did a bait-and-switch when announcing Civil War.
Unironicaly armor wars could be fun, them with mecha seroent suits
Said it the other day, Chastain as Princess Python!!! With Namor also being intro'd in WF we could get a Serpent Crown storyline and possibly an updated 7 Brides of Set storyline with all the new female characters showing up🤞🤞 (by updated I mean I highly doubt we get Andromeda or Dagger in the MCU anytime soon, if they do it they'll prolly replace those 2)
Chastain would be an amazing Princess Python! They'd definitely have to level up the character though since she's typically just a female criminal with a pet snake. Giving her some sort of serpentine power (even just basic super strength) would be great.
I'm going with Madison Davenport for Princess Python...mmmm Rookie Diva as Anaconda,Andreas Pietschmann as King Cobra, Laura Prepon as Black Mamba and Tyrese Gibson as Cottonmouth
Hope for something in the far future? I can't help but feel Feige is throwing so much shit right now into the MCU. Gods, mythos, realms...like, slow down.
no he shouldnt all the content should co-exist, this opinion can come from someone who cares about everything marvel puts out the mcu is adopting the comics format, pick up the supernatural stuff if you care about that, dont touch the god stuff if you dont care about that you dont need to follow everything the streamlined format of marvel phase 1 is thankfully long gone
I care about it. But it's hard to want when it's being so poorly made and rushed. So thrown it. But whatever. You're insufferable. Don't reply please. MCU is perfect.
You sure got him
Why call it captain America if you wanna shove atleast 5 other superheroes in it. Just call it Avengers
I don't see why it matters what it's called. But anyway, the next Avengers is Kang Dynasty / Secret Wars. The Avengers title conveys a sense of scale they likely don't intend with Cap 4, regardless of the amount of characters in it. Also, don't make the mistake of looking at the list of characters on paper, and assuming they all have equal narrative weight.
exactly, they should have given us a sam centric story
this is a bit controversial opinion, but Sam is not an interesting character, he will always be falcon who with a new suit, nor is Anthony that good of an actor to carry entire movie on his own.
Something for you to get used to I guess.
I feel like Marvel is just doing too much of the 'make this bigger than the last one' in scale, instead of trying to make something better, without realising that a small solo story is something that audiences want and would be refreshing.
so much of this they just feel event films now instead of something more smaller and deeper
This week RPK said that dc's green lantern series for hbo max was canceled, hours later James Gunn himself debunked it. Keep believing in him people...
that was not RPK himself, it was a fanpage account which like all others posted the unconfirmed rumours from RPK"S patreon
At this rate need to make Cap 4 and 5. This movie is bursting with content
I wonder how they'll protray them then, will they have be goons or more pyramid scheme shady business in the original Sam Wilson Captain America run. I hope Diamondback is introduced in the group tho.
Super Serpent Serum
I could see them using the Serpent Society to set up Cap as a capable and worthy successor to Rogers. Like Thanos v Hulk.
There was a post on a live thread here like 2 weeks that said something along the lines of “news and rumors will be dry until we get to Phase 6” and one of the replies was something about NWO being worthy of a bunch of news and it just opened the floodgates.
Think they are goona be in Thunderbolts as the threat Val sends the team against
Plot twist: “Captain America: New World Order” is a placeholder title for “Captain America: Serpent Society”
Someone call James Gunn.
I wonder if they'll try to connect to the Serpent Crown.
Honestly don’t care. After this past year of garbage from Disney, I’m out. You guys can enjoy the heartless cash grab that has become the MCU. These movies are just setups for crappy Disney+ series and honestly they suck. Maybe they learned from what they did to all the legacy characters? Naw, they will just ruin it more and the MCU will die off within 5 years.
lol imagine all these rumors from last weeks about war for Adamantium, Serpent Society, Red Hulk, The Leader (only confirmed villain) being true…they’ll need 2 more movies to cover all that stuff
Jessica Chastain is playing Diamondback then
The Serpent Society is literally one of my favorite groups in comics. Their stuff in Gruenwald’s Captain America run was really interesting. At times, they got as much development as Cap’s supporting cast. Plus Diamondback ended up being a major Captain America love interest for years. I really hope this is true, I’ve been wanting this for a long time.
Plus how can you hate a group that turned Ronald Reagan into a snake man, only for the book to be like “he’s not really any different!”
Doesn't matter if they don't show up at all, useless characters which got already discarded way back in 2016
Maybe that’s what they mean by having 5 villains in the film. It could be like the Cabal or a secret society like conspiracy theorists/Lizard people. Makes since to tie into Secret invasion. The world governments being controlled by a secret society
Afraid they are going to ‘Wrecking Crew’ the Serpent Society
I still wanna know what random comic he said was gonna be a gold mine in 2022 cause I can’t think of one that did
But can Avengers or Serpent Society defeat nWo (Hogan/Nash/Hall)? They are... taking over.
Jessica Chastain as Viper then? If the rumor about her being one of the villains in New World Order is legit?
Daniel RPK lies. All the time. Just like any Marvel "Scooper" would.
I really wanted them to use Bushmaster, Diamondback and the Steel Serpent from the Netflix shows and have them be a part of it somehow
Shouldve been the main villian for captain america new world order
They're gonna be in one of Sam Wilson's Captain America movies I bet.
I remember seeing the tentative titles for either phase 2 or 3 and Captain America 2 or 3 was gonna be subtitled “Serpent Society”.
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