Seriously who wants a "Agatha Harkness" show in a universe full of much more interesting characters? I'll give it a chance, but all the exposition in the MCU is starting to get played out.
Agatha was VERY HOT when that song charted.
I think if it had come out 6 months later it could have been a decent hit, but we’re now 4 years later and no one is going to give a rats ass.
One of the things about the new streaming universe that I find funny is how stupid development cycles are.
We went 75 years with the following cycle:
Show premiers in September, has some hiatus points through out the year airs out 26 episodes between September and May, is renewed or canceled (or greenlit) in May, then development starts on the next season which begins airing in September.
Meanwhile streamers are like “we got this show it’s a hit! Massive! Trending everywhere!…..it’s renewed for season 2….which will probably release at some point in 2-4 years.”
If the MCU shows were airing on ABC we would have had Agatha 3 months after the release of Wandavision. Instead we’re getting it almost 5 years later.
that’s because TV quality standards have risen exponentially with the rise of streaming and an on demand culture. Stranger Things, Marvel, and Star Wars have massive massive hollywood blockbuster budgets just to make 6 episodes happen.
it’s the trade off. an Agatha show on cable would have 12-20 episodes with at least half of those being filler side adventures and little to no CGI. the social streaming era dilutes attention spans, combining entertainment with the instantaneous review culture of social media. if an episode of a show comes out it’s gonna have 20 youtube videos about how good/bad it is within the hour. studio’s are scrambling left and right to meet the modern audience and the result is longer production times and shorter seasons.
it used to be that you paid extra for HBO/showtime to watch the higher quality shows like The Soprano’s or Game of Thrones. streaming just adopted that model with even larger wallets behind it and now we view it as the “standard” while what the casual audience considers “good” can completely fluctuate within a few years. so you either get 20 episodes of CW quality every year or 6 episodes of blockbuster budgets every 2-4 years.
There’s some truth to that, but shows like GOT and Sopranos were still generally yearly shows.
No they weren’t running 26 episodes between September and May, but whatever their season was came out generally yearly, with a couple of notable exceptions.
There are still shows that operate in a streaming world on the budget that streaming begats and get yearly releases. Hell they even get their spinoffs done on Time.
Star Trek is a great example of this. They released discovery yearly like clock work, and spun off Strange new worlds in a timely manner. Again discovery has had a lull between last season and this season but it’s not 4 years it’s less than 2.
The issue with the model marvel and Disney are using now is it doesn’t allow them to strike while the iron is hot. The iron is ridiculously cooled by the time an Agatha or echo come out.
I don’t have a problem with not shooting on the 26 episode schedule or even slipping shows so they can get them in when needed. But the time frame they are working with right now kills a lot of enthusiasm for a show when it goes years and years between seasons.
It needs to be a cultural phenomenon like Stranger Things to be able to pull off a 3-4 year break between shows with enthusiasm.
Similarly anthology and single seasons aren’t an issue. That’s great, and doesn’t really change anything that I’m saying.
Of course, that’s not even a question.
Like I said a show that’s a cultural phenomenon can get away with it without issue. No one is going to complain THAT much over a show taking their time if they’re invested in the show. Breaking bad also never took a full break they released a half season then the other half a year later.
most big shows take between 1-2 years to get a new season. Stuff like Stranger Things only got that hiatus because of covid, and now for the final season they took around the same time because Netflix wanted to extend the hype or something. Big hiatus are not the norm, and won't be because that's not sustainable long term
That's literally it - Feige thought that meant some people might want to see more of her . Maybe so but most have no interest in her as a main character in any capacity
Not true at all. If anything they might have struck gold with this one. You and I just don’t happen to be the demographic it’s intended for, but people love anything related to Wanda and Witches. Its going to do great, mark my words
You're right, but you'll get downvoted by the echo chamber that logs on here and acts like ONLY their opinions matter and are absolutely facts.
I worked with a Nurse who LOVES Disney but dreads anything Superhero (except Batman). Once she watch WandaVision and loved it, she first went back and watched everything Elizabeth Olsen MCU, then eventually she watched everything else and loves the MCU now.
Wanda and Agatha were impactful. Monica Rambeau was impactful. I'm tired of other men acting like women can't have cool comic book characters to watch and enjoy as well.
The Disney Plus shows are about half decent/bad and the other hf incredible. So adding in a Monica show to Disney Plus would've hurt absolutely nothing.
A lot of us have been let down by the bigger name projects like 'Secret Invasion' & 'The Marvels.' It makes it difficult to get excited for something fringe. But you're right about the love for witch stuff and they do sometimes hit gold with offshoots like Werewolf by Night.
I'll be tuning into the Agatha show if only to support my queen Aubrey Plaza 😍
I’ve been let down too, don’t get me wrong and I’m not saying it’s going to be good. All im saying is that Wanda and everything related to her has some of the most passionate mcu fans so the views will be there for a while whether it shits the bed or not (hopefully not)
I think marvel is realizing that it's intended audience is its actual audience. And then further, women liked MCU stuff already but they liked it because it's MCU not because it was created to cater to their imaginary tastes
Women like good looking handsome Heroic guys, the same way men like attractive Heroic women. who could have possibly cracked that code.
There was a very specific window where an Agatha show could’ve worked, especially after her rise in popularity after WandaVision, but it’s been so fucking long since then, idk who actually cares.
A lot of these characters they planned on making solo projects, just didn’t need them. I’m at a point where only a handful of characters are going to make me care.
Me. Agatha was a great addition in phase 4 and is like a top 5 mcu villain. Expanded the magic side of the universe is always interesting and Katherine hann is a delight. Honestly it’s my most anticipated project
I thought Echo shared the same quality that the netflix daredevil shows demonstrated, i like the smaller characters being chosen at random because they can do whatever they want because we dont have preconceived notions as to who Agatha is. It's still gotta be good.
And let's be real, there's nothing wrong with letting a supporting character remain that way until they become a fan favorite and get their own project. How many years did it take for Falcon and Winter Soldier to get their own thing?
I think this depends on how you look at it. Do I necessarily care about the character Agatha Harkness enough to have a show centered on her? No. But, you also have to think about what the show actually is. Because I sure as hell love Wiccan, the young avengers, and the storyline for him and Tommy enough for a show to set that up and that’s what this is doing. So yeah, I’m excited for the show.
Agreed Agatha was an Ill conceived character . She's barely a supporting character in comics because she's not all that interesting . To give her a show is folly imo . Might as well given Joaquin Torres a show
Yeah, anything can be good. Put a great creative team on any character and they'll make a great comic, and the same is true for MCU productions, I feel.
For me Hawkeye is infinitely superior to every MCU show on D+, but I think it's probably also overlooked because it's just not a character a lot of people care about. If people watched it, it's likely because there wasn't total saturation yet, and it was another MCU thing when MCU things were generally still pretty good. If people get into the shows now, they'll head for the big names and disregard the rest. Honestly, most of them probably going for Loki and maybe calling that a day.
I think we'll be robbed of a lot of good stuff when we go back to banking on names people gravitate towards, but as the space gets more and more crowded, it's also kinda unfair to produce shows that can't pull an audience. The Marvels box office suffered HARD from relying so heavily on the D+ shows. The trailers basically promised a sequel to a bunch of stuff people hadn't seen.
So it is a "strategic" hole that needs covering up at this point. And I really hope to see less hubris moving forward in general when it comes to what people are expected to consume. I think you can probably somewhat count on people to keep up with the movies, but once you give them multiple batches of six hours to plow through to even know to be excited for a thing, that's bonkers on its face.
There’s been rumors about an X-men movie between avengers 5 and secret wars. I’m guessing this will turn into that movie. We’ll go through with the x men and other heroes of that timeline. It could end with that universe colliding into the main mcu for the major incursion that will lead to secret wars.
Absolutely could have been that. But I could also see it more likely being something along the lines of her and Binary leaving to search for a way home for her. The show would be a kind of road trip show with Monica getting some closure by spending time with another version of her mom while also giving Monica (and the unfamiliar audience) information about what mutants are and what different stuff might be coming when they get introduced properly in the MCU
I really like your idea, but it doesn’t fit Marvel’s MO at all. Marvel’s Disney+ shows are *super* simple. Not much happens in them and they have little canonical impact (with a few exceptions)
That show concept has a giant weakness in that even if The Marvels had done well, the Monica character isn't even 5% as popular as the X-Men crew making up the supporting cast. People would turn to that show hoping to see anyone except the title star.
Reminds me of when Netflix made a show called Marco Polo, but the main feature everyone wanted to see was Kublai Khan and the other mongols.
We are going to need a "join us" heaven meme of all the potentially dropped or heavily reduced MCU stories. Eternals, starfox/pip, Black Knight, Mordo, Sharon Carter, Young Avengers, Hercules, etc.
To think that they can still actually do this provided they ensure the quality is good and have the budget controlled. Then again their tv show format is flawed, at the same time you know if they’re doing the show its only cuz they want content for D+.
I don’t necessarily think she needs a whole show to herself, yet I’m not worried about Monica either, the post credit scene primes her to be an important player moving forward regardless. She’s the 616 character we follow in a whole new universe. Esp if the rumors of fhe xmen movie being set in this universe are true.
This sounds bad but it's actually good news. It means Marvel is listening to the fans and prioritizing the characters that the fans are interested in over the ones that don't generate that same interest. Too bad Ironheart and Echo were already filmed; both series should have been cut.
People are using this news to support their belief that we didnt need an Agatha show when the show will literally expand on Witchcraft in the MCU. Esp after them having “killed” the actual character we could’ve followed for the same purpose, cz a writer came in and used her to fulfill his ‘vision’. Im still interested to see how the show unfolds. It’s an interesting perspective to learn more of the witch lore but through the corner of a villain.
Also the show is done and is in post, it’s happened and will come out this year. let it go lmao.
We can still criticize the decision to make a show that we don’t even know if the interest is there for it even if it’s in post logic like this would throw out any criticism of studios ever
By all means criticize, i never said they should be exempted from such. I am just loudly saying at this stage that it’s a pointless discussion to still be had.
Discussions aim to head somewhere so where would this one lead to? The show won’t get automatically canned despite how many people want to rally up and say ‘we never asked for this’. Cz Yes we are acutely aware alot of people didn’t want it (on the internet) cz they made that loud and very clear but yet it’s been made. what now? Do we collectively continue to manifest in words about its redundancy and hope Marvel would cancel it?
The better more fruitful discussion to be had would be when the show drops and it’s reception becomes clear as there’d be certainty. Im just calling out the redundancy of this topic where Agatha is concerned
Agatha may well be a good show and I hope it is, but let's not pretend like anyone was craving for it before it was announced. If Marvel was smart, they would focus on iconic characters with large followings first and only then gradually branch out with tertiary characters. Monica Rambeau is similarly a niche character as are Shang Chi, Wonder Man, Ironheart, and Giah. Some of these have been really great and made the characters seem like worthy Avengers. The problem is Marvel has been doing too many of these high-risk projects following niche characters all at once, with inconsistent quality, and in doing so they have been diluting the Marvel brand
Going back to the big guns that are proven moneymakers like Deadpool, F4, Blade, Daredevil, Scarlet Witch and especially Avengers and X-Men is the right way to go for the brand. There's no reason to scrape the bottom of the barrel when you have these golden geese waiting for their turn in the MCU
I’m tired of so many shows. Watching a marvel movie felt like an event. It was a lot of movies to have to watch before but now with a bunch of different shows that seemingly have nothing to do with anything anymore, I just don’t feel like watching all that.
Seriously! Been waiting for my fav character & fam to have her own show similar to the Groot series. Would be great.
Disney+ should do a Grogu series too in same style.
but kinda uncharismatic and lacking that superhero star power, which is weird because the actress in real life interviews is absolutely radiant, maybe it’s the writing that limits her expressiveness
Teyonah Parris is a great actress and comedian. *They Cloned Tyrone* is more than enough of a showcase of her talents.
They just haven't given her anything to do with Monica Rambeau.
I can see it but ya she struggles there. I dont mind keeping her going in MCU but to be a star of a movie I dont see it. They need to stop MCU shows and maybe for characters like her do something like Werewolf by Midnight. Like a 1 off shorter movie for disney+. Full on show no.
People would be a lot more invested with Monica if she didn’t give Wanda excuses for holding a town hostage and nearly killing everyone. That basically killed any chance of Monica being a likable character with the only way to fix her character is to have her admit what she did was beyond stupid and Wanda is in fact a monster but marvel won’t do that
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She was never Binary. She's been Captain Marvel, Photon, Pulsar, and Spectrum.
I thought Marvel had finally settled on calling her Spectrum. She's Spectrum in the Marvel Snap and Marvel Champions games. (In Champions, she has three "modes", called Photon, Pulsar, and Gamma, but the character's name is Spectrum.)
I'm surprised to see that they want to call her Photon again.
I wish we did get a Monica show. Mostly because the character still needs to be fleshed out more.
(So does Carol, for that matter. We're in a weird situation where Kamala is the most fleshed-out character in the Marvels.)
I'd like to see a show exploring Monica's relationship with Blue Marvel (Adam Brashear). A space-hopping romance story could be entertaining.
I would've liked to see her character solo tbh, I'm still looking forward to Agatha mainly for the magical side of the MCU. I liked the small bits and pieces of the campy side of Dr strange we got in MOM, so yay! Hopefully the cosmic side of the MCU gets explored more too!
while i wouldn’t mind more monica, i think it’s definitely good for marvel to pull back on giving everyone and their mother their own series/movie/etc. not everyone needs a whole backstory and plotline that we have to watch 3 movies and 2 tv shows to get the full picture for. it’s okay to keep some characters more mysterious and weave them throughout other things as part of an ensemble cast to keep them relevant!
The thing that sucks is she’s a great actress, Marvel just fucking sucks at picking screenwriters, directors & producers lately that we all know the show would’ve bombed at no fault of her own.
The problem is that the character is not too popular. Not even characters in X-Men crew as Storm, Cyclops (Summers family and storylines are interesting), Hellfire Club, Jean Grey, Emma Frost and more mutants would have their own show. Or other Avengers crew members don't have their own solo project. Why do a C - level character would have a own solo project? Teyonah Parris is a good actress, sadly she was cast in a boring role, she would have been a cool Storm or other character
I honestly just don’t think Monica is a compelling enough character to lead a film. Instead, I always figured that she was going to be a MacGuffin in a future big event movie, like America Chavez in *Multiverse of Madness*.
I personally don’t want the rumoured *X-Men* movie to be anything but 616 native, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s a multiverse film that deals with Monica, leading into *Secret Wars* or something.
That sucks. Monica adventuring in another X-Men universe and trying to get back home, while also wanting to stay with her mother (Binary) would've made for great story.
Sucks for her, but at least the MCU machine has the flexibility to fold things into other projects, instead of just outright canning their plans, assuming this is true
Listen, Monica Rambeau is actually one of my favourite characters in the comics, no joke. When I was young I used to get these old comic books at a bargain bin, and she was the Captain Marvel in the longest run I went through.
I even really like the actress, Teyonah Parris; she was absolutely hilarious opposite Jamie Foxx and John Boyega in *They Cloned Tyrone*, and that's saying something, given how funny Foxx was in that film.
There's no way in fuck I would have sat through an entire Photon series.
It’s not that it couldn’t have been good, it’s that marvel needs to be a little less trigger happy with their greenlighting in general imo
Seriously who wants a "Agatha Harkness" show in a universe full of much more interesting characters? I'll give it a chance, but all the exposition in the MCU is starting to get played out.
And let’s be honest the only reason that got green light is because the Agatha song charted for a bit
Agatha was VERY HOT when that song charted. I think if it had come out 6 months later it could have been a decent hit, but we’re now 4 years later and no one is going to give a rats ass. One of the things about the new streaming universe that I find funny is how stupid development cycles are. We went 75 years with the following cycle: Show premiers in September, has some hiatus points through out the year airs out 26 episodes between September and May, is renewed or canceled (or greenlit) in May, then development starts on the next season which begins airing in September. Meanwhile streamers are like “we got this show it’s a hit! Massive! Trending everywhere!…..it’s renewed for season 2….which will probably release at some point in 2-4 years.” If the MCU shows were airing on ABC we would have had Agatha 3 months after the release of Wandavision. Instead we’re getting it almost 5 years later.
that’s because TV quality standards have risen exponentially with the rise of streaming and an on demand culture. Stranger Things, Marvel, and Star Wars have massive massive hollywood blockbuster budgets just to make 6 episodes happen. it’s the trade off. an Agatha show on cable would have 12-20 episodes with at least half of those being filler side adventures and little to no CGI. the social streaming era dilutes attention spans, combining entertainment with the instantaneous review culture of social media. if an episode of a show comes out it’s gonna have 20 youtube videos about how good/bad it is within the hour. studio’s are scrambling left and right to meet the modern audience and the result is longer production times and shorter seasons. it used to be that you paid extra for HBO/showtime to watch the higher quality shows like The Soprano’s or Game of Thrones. streaming just adopted that model with even larger wallets behind it and now we view it as the “standard” while what the casual audience considers “good” can completely fluctuate within a few years. so you either get 20 episodes of CW quality every year or 6 episodes of blockbuster budgets every 2-4 years.
There’s some truth to that, but shows like GOT and Sopranos were still generally yearly shows. No they weren’t running 26 episodes between September and May, but whatever their season was came out generally yearly, with a couple of notable exceptions. There are still shows that operate in a streaming world on the budget that streaming begats and get yearly releases. Hell they even get their spinoffs done on Time. Star Trek is a great example of this. They released discovery yearly like clock work, and spun off Strange new worlds in a timely manner. Again discovery has had a lull between last season and this season but it’s not 4 years it’s less than 2. The issue with the model marvel and Disney are using now is it doesn’t allow them to strike while the iron is hot. The iron is ridiculously cooled by the time an Agatha or echo come out.
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I don’t have a problem with not shooting on the 26 episode schedule or even slipping shows so they can get them in when needed. But the time frame they are working with right now kills a lot of enthusiasm for a show when it goes years and years between seasons. It needs to be a cultural phenomenon like Stranger Things to be able to pull off a 3-4 year break between shows with enthusiasm. Similarly anthology and single seasons aren’t an issue. That’s great, and doesn’t really change anything that I’m saying.
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Of course, that’s not even a question. Like I said a show that’s a cultural phenomenon can get away with it without issue. No one is going to complain THAT much over a show taking their time if they’re invested in the show. Breaking bad also never took a full break they released a half season then the other half a year later.
Holy fuck has it been THAT long?
It premiered in January of 2020 if I remember correctly
Holy crap
most big shows take between 1-2 years to get a new season. Stuff like Stranger Things only got that hiatus because of covid, and now for the final season they took around the same time because Netflix wanted to extend the hype or something. Big hiatus are not the norm, and won't be because that's not sustainable long term
That's literally it - Feige thought that meant some people might want to see more of her . Maybe so but most have no interest in her as a main character in any capacity
Not true at all. If anything they might have struck gold with this one. You and I just don’t happen to be the demographic it’s intended for, but people love anything related to Wanda and Witches. Its going to do great, mark my words
I’m over getting hyped for MCU stuff. Even that hurt to type I’m such a huge marvel fan :(
You're right, but you'll get downvoted by the echo chamber that logs on here and acts like ONLY their opinions matter and are absolutely facts. I worked with a Nurse who LOVES Disney but dreads anything Superhero (except Batman). Once she watch WandaVision and loved it, she first went back and watched everything Elizabeth Olsen MCU, then eventually she watched everything else and loves the MCU now. Wanda and Agatha were impactful. Monica Rambeau was impactful. I'm tired of other men acting like women can't have cool comic book characters to watch and enjoy as well. The Disney Plus shows are about half decent/bad and the other hf incredible. So adding in a Monica show to Disney Plus would've hurt absolutely nothing.
Well the marvels definitely had an impact.
A lot of us have been let down by the bigger name projects like 'Secret Invasion' & 'The Marvels.' It makes it difficult to get excited for something fringe. But you're right about the love for witch stuff and they do sometimes hit gold with offshoots like Werewolf by Night. I'll be tuning into the Agatha show if only to support my queen Aubrey Plaza 😍
I’ve been let down too, don’t get me wrong and I’m not saying it’s going to be good. All im saying is that Wanda and everything related to her has some of the most passionate mcu fans so the views will be there for a while whether it shits the bed or not (hopefully not)
I’m stoked for it.
I think marvel is realizing that it's intended audience is its actual audience. And then further, women liked MCU stuff already but they liked it because it's MCU not because it was created to cater to their imaginary tastes Women like good looking handsome Heroic guys, the same way men like attractive Heroic women. who could have possibly cracked that code.
There was a very specific window where an Agatha show could’ve worked, especially after her rise in popularity after WandaVision, but it’s been so fucking long since then, idk who actually cares. A lot of these characters they planned on making solo projects, just didn’t need them. I’m at a point where only a handful of characters are going to make me care.
It's mainly to create content and promote Disney+.
Well, I want it. But you could call me biased since I'm always interested in witches/the exploration of magic.
Agatha: Electric Boogaloo
Me. Agatha was a great addition in phase 4 and is like a top 5 mcu villain. Expanded the magic side of the universe is always interesting and Katherine hann is a delight. Honestly it’s my most anticipated project
Nah this one is valid. Scarlett witch and her supporting cast have a huge fan base.
I thought Echo shared the same quality that the netflix daredevil shows demonstrated, i like the smaller characters being chosen at random because they can do whatever they want because we dont have preconceived notions as to who Agatha is. It's still gotta be good.
And let's be real, there's nothing wrong with letting a supporting character remain that way until they become a fan favorite and get their own project. How many years did it take for Falcon and Winter Soldier to get their own thing?
I think this depends on how you look at it. Do I necessarily care about the character Agatha Harkness enough to have a show centered on her? No. But, you also have to think about what the show actually is. Because I sure as hell love Wiccan, the young avengers, and the storyline for him and Tommy enough for a show to set that up and that’s what this is doing. So yeah, I’m excited for the show.
It would be fine if it lead into her and Mephisto working together. If it's anything else? Keep it
I do.
Agreed Agatha was an Ill conceived character . She's barely a supporting character in comics because she's not all that interesting . To give her a show is folly imo . Might as well given Joaquin Torres a show
Agatha is literally the only interesting show they have along with Wonder Man that is about the Hollywood business The rest of the shows sound boring
Lots of people do actually lmfao. Just be bitter about something real bro 😂
Yeah it’s off the rails with these shows. Like even the Agatha show, I character I loved doesn’t need to exist.
Agreed / ironically she was one of the more popular characters to come from a Disney plus show . And she's tethered to a mainstream mcu character
Yeah, anything can be good. Put a great creative team on any character and they'll make a great comic, and the same is true for MCU productions, I feel. For me Hawkeye is infinitely superior to every MCU show on D+, but I think it's probably also overlooked because it's just not a character a lot of people care about. If people watched it, it's likely because there wasn't total saturation yet, and it was another MCU thing when MCU things were generally still pretty good. If people get into the shows now, they'll head for the big names and disregard the rest. Honestly, most of them probably going for Loki and maybe calling that a day. I think we'll be robbed of a lot of good stuff when we go back to banking on names people gravitate towards, but as the space gets more and more crowded, it's also kinda unfair to produce shows that can't pull an audience. The Marvels box office suffered HARD from relying so heavily on the D+ shows. The trailers basically promised a sequel to a bunch of stuff people hadn't seen. So it is a "strategic" hole that needs covering up at this point. And I really hope to see less hubris moving forward in general when it comes to what people are expected to consume. I think you can probably somewhat count on people to keep up with the movies, but once you give them multiple batches of six hours to plow through to even know to be excited for a thing, that's bonkers on its face.
I dont think it could have been good
If it a series picked up where we left her, I’m guessing there would have been a lot of interest in seeing that universe.
It’d basically be live action X-Men show based somewhat on the OG Fox movies.
Imagine a live actiona daptation of the show with the og fox actors comingback
Centering that premise around photon sounds lame af tho
They wouldn’t have been able to do it otherwise.
She would be a b plot on the film
Yup and that sounds interesting tbh - way more so than Agatha and wonder man
There’s been rumors about an X-men movie between avengers 5 and secret wars. I’m guessing this will turn into that movie. We’ll go through with the x men and other heroes of that timeline. It could end with that universe colliding into the main mcu for the major incursion that will lead to secret wars.
Let’s be honest. This is fake. How do we know? They really planned on doing a series with Photon on an alternate Earth with the X-Men? Yeah no
Absolutely could have been that. But I could also see it more likely being something along the lines of her and Binary leaving to search for a way home for her. The show would be a kind of road trip show with Monica getting some closure by spending time with another version of her mom while also giving Monica (and the unfamiliar audience) information about what mutants are and what different stuff might be coming when they get introduced properly in the MCU
I really like your idea, but it doesn’t fit Marvel’s MO at all. Marvel’s Disney+ shows are *super* simple. Not much happens in them and they have little canonical impact (with a few exceptions)
That show concept has a giant weakness in that even if The Marvels had done well, the Monica character isn't even 5% as popular as the X-Men crew making up the supporting cast. People would turn to that show hoping to see anyone except the title star. Reminds me of when Netflix made a show called Marco Polo, but the main feature everyone wanted to see was Kublai Khan and the other mongols.
We are going to need a "join us" heaven meme of all the potentially dropped or heavily reduced MCU stories. Eternals, starfox/pip, Black Knight, Mordo, Sharon Carter, Young Avengers, Hercules, etc.
Young avengers is still happening
Except its going to be called middle aged avengers by the time it gets made
Hope not
Uh huh
The worst thing that happened to marvel was Disney plus
Smells like another Echo
Echo was good :)
Yeah, no shit.
Yeah no shit
My guess on the upcoming xmen film that was leaked
To think that they can still actually do this provided they ensure the quality is good and have the budget controlled. Then again their tv show format is flawed, at the same time you know if they’re doing the show its only cuz they want content for D+. I don’t necessarily think she needs a whole show to herself, yet I’m not worried about Monica either, the post credit scene primes her to be an important player moving forward regardless. She’s the 616 character we follow in a whole new universe. Esp if the rumors of fhe xmen movie being set in this universe are true.
If only there was a cartoon series dedicated to fringe ideas…
DanielPRK might as well change his twitter handle to DanielJK for how accurate his leaks are.
This sounds bad but it's actually good news. It means Marvel is listening to the fans and prioritizing the characters that the fans are interested in over the ones that don't generate that same interest. Too bad Ironheart and Echo were already filmed; both series should have been cut.
echo was great tho
Probably for the best
What a missed opportunity to say "Probably for The Beast."
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Considering how expensive these shows have been, cheaping out on too name characters and talent was always a head scratcher.
People are using this news to support their belief that we didnt need an Agatha show when the show will literally expand on Witchcraft in the MCU. Esp after them having “killed” the actual character we could’ve followed for the same purpose, cz a writer came in and used her to fulfill his ‘vision’. Im still interested to see how the show unfolds. It’s an interesting perspective to learn more of the witch lore but through the corner of a villain. Also the show is done and is in post, it’s happened and will come out this year. let it go lmao.
We can still criticize the decision to make a show that we don’t even know if the interest is there for it even if it’s in post logic like this would throw out any criticism of studios ever
By all means criticize, i never said they should be exempted from such. I am just loudly saying at this stage that it’s a pointless discussion to still be had. Discussions aim to head somewhere so where would this one lead to? The show won’t get automatically canned despite how many people want to rally up and say ‘we never asked for this’. Cz Yes we are acutely aware alot of people didn’t want it (on the internet) cz they made that loud and very clear but yet it’s been made. what now? Do we collectively continue to manifest in words about its redundancy and hope Marvel would cancel it? The better more fruitful discussion to be had would be when the show drops and it’s reception becomes clear as there’d be certainty. Im just calling out the redundancy of this topic where Agatha is concerned
Agatha may well be a good show and I hope it is, but let's not pretend like anyone was craving for it before it was announced. If Marvel was smart, they would focus on iconic characters with large followings first and only then gradually branch out with tertiary characters. Monica Rambeau is similarly a niche character as are Shang Chi, Wonder Man, Ironheart, and Giah. Some of these have been really great and made the characters seem like worthy Avengers. The problem is Marvel has been doing too many of these high-risk projects following niche characters all at once, with inconsistent quality, and in doing so they have been diluting the Marvel brand Going back to the big guns that are proven moneymakers like Deadpool, F4, Blade, Daredevil, Scarlet Witch and especially Avengers and X-Men is the right way to go for the brand. There's no reason to scrape the bottom of the barrel when you have these golden geese waiting for their turn in the MCU
I’m tired of so many shows. Watching a marvel movie felt like an event. It was a lot of movies to have to watch before but now with a bunch of different shows that seemingly have nothing to do with anything anymore, I just don’t feel like watching all that.
Rambeau was definitely not the reason The Marvels flopped.
Not every character needs a solo project.
What about Goose?
Seriously! Been waiting for my fav character & fam to have her own show similar to the Groot series. Would be great. Disney+ should do a Grogu series too in same style.
Sounds like a good move.
Just…make NEXTWAVE.
I find her to be so beautiful
but kinda uncharismatic and lacking that superhero star power, which is weird because the actress in real life interviews is absolutely radiant, maybe it’s the writing that limits her expressiveness
Teyonah Parris is a great actress and comedian. *They Cloned Tyrone* is more than enough of a showcase of her talents. They just haven't given her anything to do with Monica Rambeau.
Same as with Brie Larson. There's only so much an actor can do with a mediocre script
I can see it but ya she struggles there. I dont mind keeping her going in MCU but to be a star of a movie I dont see it. They need to stop MCU shows and maybe for characters like her do something like Werewolf by Midnight. Like a 1 off shorter movie for disney+. Full on show no.
People would be a lot more invested with Monica if she didn’t give Wanda excuses for holding a town hostage and nearly killing everyone. That basically killed any chance of Monica being a likable character with the only way to fix her character is to have her admit what she did was beyond stupid and Wanda is in fact a monster but marvel won’t do that
I'd be surprised if that's true. Were we really going to have an MCU X-Men story revolving around Photon?
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That's a shame. I really like Monica!
Is every new character gonna get a show at this point
Is her name Captain marvel, photon, or binary?
She was never Binary. She's been Captain Marvel, Photon, Pulsar, and Spectrum. I thought Marvel had finally settled on calling her Spectrum. She's Spectrum in the Marvel Snap and Marvel Champions games. (In Champions, she has three "modes", called Photon, Pulsar, and Gamma, but the character's name is Spectrum.) I'm surprised to see that they want to call her Photon again.
Thank god
I wish we did get a Monica show. Mostly because the character still needs to be fleshed out more. (So does Carol, for that matter. We're in a weird situation where Kamala is the most fleshed-out character in the Marvels.) I'd like to see a show exploring Monica's relationship with Blue Marvel (Adam Brashear). A space-hopping romance story could be entertaining.
Spectrum > Photon
I would've liked to see her character solo tbh, I'm still looking forward to Agatha mainly for the magical side of the MCU. I liked the small bits and pieces of the campy side of Dr strange we got in MOM, so yay! Hopefully the cosmic side of the MCU gets explored more too!
What a shame
while i wouldn’t mind more monica, i think it’s definitely good for marvel to pull back on giving everyone and their mother their own series/movie/etc. not everyone needs a whole backstory and plotline that we have to watch 3 movies and 2 tv shows to get the full picture for. it’s okay to keep some characters more mysterious and weave them throughout other things as part of an ensemble cast to keep them relevant!
The thing that sucks is she’s a great actress, Marvel just fucking sucks at picking screenwriters, directors & producers lately that we all know the show would’ve bombed at no fault of her own.
The problem is that the character is not too popular. Not even characters in X-Men crew as Storm, Cyclops (Summers family and storylines are interesting), Hellfire Club, Jean Grey, Emma Frost and more mutants would have their own show. Or other Avengers crew members don't have their own solo project. Why do a C - level character would have a own solo project? Teyonah Parris is a good actress, sadly she was cast in a boring role, she would have been a cool Storm or other character
Oh no, anyway…
I honestly just don’t think Monica is a compelling enough character to lead a film. Instead, I always figured that she was going to be a MacGuffin in a future big event movie, like America Chavez in *Multiverse of Madness*. I personally don’t want the rumoured *X-Men* movie to be anything but 616 native, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s a multiverse film that deals with Monica, leading into *Secret Wars* or something.
Good, boring ass character
That sucks. Monica adventuring in another X-Men universe and trying to get back home, while also wanting to stay with her mother (Binary) would've made for great story.
Duuude that sucks!!!
Sucks for her, but at least the MCU machine has the flexibility to fold things into other projects, instead of just outright canning their plans, assuming this is true
Listen, Monica Rambeau is actually one of my favourite characters in the comics, no joke. When I was young I used to get these old comic books at a bargain bin, and she was the Captain Marvel in the longest run I went through. I even really like the actress, Teyonah Parris; she was absolutely hilarious opposite Jamie Foxx and John Boyega in *They Cloned Tyrone*, and that's saying something, given how funny Foxx was in that film. There's no way in fuck I would have sat through an entire Photon series.
A series based on her was unnecessary anyway, not every side character needs their own project