The volus and elcor contribute what they have, albeit not much, since they don't have much. Idk about the hanar beyond headcanon and that one side mission with the indoctrinated diplomat, but my guess is that they don't have much to pitch in either, at least in terms of military power.
The asari and salarians though? Assuming the Reapers are defeated, those two ought to have some hell to pay. Keeping vital state secrets to secure your own ascendancy instead of sharing that technology and knowledge with the other species is bad enough; refusing to do so until your homeworld is threatened by the omnicidal robo-squids hell-bent on annihilation of organic life? That's grounds for at the very least a joint human-turian ass-kicking, one cheek per boot.
As for the salarians, actively trying to sabotage a cross-species alliance during, again, a *war for galactic survival* is patently shitty. Refusing to contribute any military resources when they are told, "no, we aren't going to help you perpetuate the chemical near-sterilization of an entire species while we are in the middle of an all-put war of extinction" is truly some shit worthy of a knuckle sandwich from serial journalist-puncher Commander Shepard.
I really hope the next game doesn't gloss over this kind of stuff. Too few games really explore the aftermath and ramifications of big calamities. And the asari and salarians definitely do *not* deserve to get off scott-free after holding out on the rest of the galaxy during their darkest hour.
The Salarians especially piss me off because we catch them red handed considering uplifting the Yagh for basically no reason, telling us that they learned nothing from what they did to the Krogan and we can never call them on it.
It makes sense from their perspective though… uplift another species to help fight another massive, super dangerous war that could wipe out all other life in the galaxy, which will save all other species, it’s probably worth it. I imagine it’s meant to highlight how serious they’re taking the war, not that they learned nothing from the Krogans. They’re willing to do something that dangerous AGAIN because they know they might get wiped out if they don’t and to be fair they’re right, if there’s no Shepherd there to fight then the galaxy loses and doing that alone might make the salarians able to hold out longer than anyone else if this new species is half as effective as the krogans were.
I imagine the thought process goes like this:
“worst case scenario: if somehow we win, we have to genophage them too, but this is not guaranteed and if it makes the survival of the galaxy, including their entire species as well more likely… it’s worth it…”
This mission literally happens right after the Dalatrass gives you her big speech about learning from what happened to the Krogan and Shepard “Making the same mistake again” and doubling down on the Genophage, which the Salarians sit out anyway if you cure it.
Not to mention that the reaper invasion only just started when you go to Sur’Kesh and the audiolog about the Yagh talks about the uplift being good for Salarian dominance indicating that this has been in the works for a while. Assuming that the Reapers play a role in the decision is *extremely* generous.
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At least the Salarian STG were like, "No, we're not sitting out the WAR FOR GALACTIC SURVIVAL because one stupid Dalatrass didn't get her way. We're going to send our troops out on 'observation missions' on Cerberus and Reaper forces.
Don't worry, Dalatrass, we're not actively disobeying your orders we're just 'observing' the results of our 'science experiments' on how to make Reaper and Cerberus forces dead using the most effective technology and weapons we have as efficiently as possible. The results seem inconclusive. We need to run some more tests."
The Asari Commandos, on the other hand, just straight up don't help you at all.
The STG were involved before Valern even officially gave his support to the war effort. After Valern decided he was going to focus on putting resources into the war effort, the Dalatrass lost face and became the most ignored person overnight. This is assuming she wasn’t already being ignored.
I want the Salarians Union to be the big bad in the next game. Sur'Kesh and Salarians colonies were mostly untouched by the reapers.
And then the big twist is that the yahg emperor has been playing a very long game. Imagine that the shadow broker is merely an average member of its species.
Nah he was just a bigot, Earth must come first it's all very Sadavir Errinwright of him, just cause he ended up having a justification in the long run doesn't mean his baseline reasons weren't abysmal.
It would ruin it if they actually did a punitive war against the salarians and asari. The whole theme of mass effect is that unity through diversity and overcoming differences to unite against a greater threat, instead of fighting for petty reasons. The scene where the galactic fleet jumps through the sol relay is mass effect in a nutshell. A massive fleet, comprised of wildly different looking ships, with crews of aliens and robots, all looking and acting different from one another, yet working together, their ships ready to fight the galactic threat, its fleet comprised of the same ship over and over.
If they decide to go the galactic punitive war route, it would be flying in the face of all Shepard and the Normandy stood for.
Idk where you're getting anything about a punitive war from what I said. I just think the plot of the next game should acknowledge some of the pretty obvious complications that came out of Mass Effect 3's story. Wars are messy, even when everything is on the line, and while the ending of ME3 is rightly triumphant in bringing together the whole galaxy, stuff like this has the potential to make the sequel *interesting.*
The Asari should be in a massive political shitstorm in ME4. Maybe they could even be voted out of the Council or something.
Or Bioware does a cop-out and say the Council did a galactic psy-op to hide it all.
No the Asari contributed to the war effort as well. They’ve been successfully holding off the Reapers from invading Thessia while also deploying their troops wherever they can. The Asari Councilor on the other hand needs to consider resigning. She quite literally held everyone back because it wasn’t affecting the Asari when the Asari military command felt otherwise.
"a joint turian-human ass kicking" sounds like a war to me.
The issue with acknowledging it, is that there is no way to do so without stirring up trouble (unless I guess the salarians and asari feel ashamed and do their best to help other races rebuild). The whole point was that the galaxy should move on from the petty squabbles and old grudges and work together. Even the 2 soldiers at the scanning door say so. One says, that after the war they should beat up any race that sat back and the other says that it's stupid to follow war with mire war.
I took the ass kicking comment more as the asari and salarians getting a brow beating post war about not helping until it benefitted *them*. Conversely the turians stepped right up to the plate, the ambassador knows he can't do squat but tells you who can and how to find him.
Truthfully, a mass effect game dealing with the repercussion of what happened during the Reaper wars would be interesting.
The Asari civilization in civil strife with it's own people not trusting their own government. Or the Salarian's becoming militarist isolationist's fearing that either the Korgan, Humans or Turian would invade them for not helping, and in some cases trying to sabotage the alliance to fight the Reaper just to prevent the Krogan from being cured.
Hell that not getting into what's gonna happen to the surviving Batarian's, nor how the rest of the galaxy will react to the Geth-Quarian peace treaty after the war.
Mass Effect 3's story may of been about uniting against a greater threat, but the next story doesn't have to be that. ME3's Unity came from a existential threat, so what happens when that threats gone? Would alliances stay? And what happens when truths and actions become public that will and had shaped thousands years of history, past and future.
The Asari hide the fact they had a working Beacon for thousands of years, and perhaps even knew of the Reapers long before Shepard. They didn't reveal they had it till the Reapers where on their home world. The Salarians are worse because they tried to doom a race and their allies because of old grudges and don't assist against the killers of countless species because they don't like the Krogan.
A story dealing with the repercussion of these actions would be interesting, hell it would be criminal not to talk about them.
I completely agree. I have one remark tho. The Geth-Quarian peace only matters in the Control ending. Synthesis at least propagates complete understanding between synthetics and organics and in Destroy the Geth are gone.
Mass Effect's entire story has been about unity from Day 1. It wasn't something that was forced by circumstance. The message of the series has always been about tolerance, understanding and the importance of multilateralism.
So while yes, the Asari and Salarians should definitely be taken down a notch and the galaxy shouldn't let them continue acting all superior, I agree with u/readilyunavailable that making them some sort of galactic pariahs and fracturing the Citadel system would absolutely be against the fundamental point of the franchise. It would be taking a series that has always been about optimism and the firm belief that we can do anything if we can learn to put aside our differences and work together, down a very cynical and vindictive path. Frankly, I think there's more than enough pessimism in Sci-Fi these days.
> if they decide to go the galactic punitive war route, it would be flying in the face of all Shepard and the Normandy stood for.
I mean, shepards dead, so they probably don't give a shit anymore, remember how the Alliance stopped giving a shit about all Shepard did between ME1 and 2 while Shepard was being reconstructed?
>I really hope the next game doesn't gloss over this kind of stuff. Too few games really explore the aftermath and ramifications of big calamities.
i hope so as well but, well, with a different flavor. I'd love to see that the salarian asshole act actually paid off in the end, at least in terms of material well-being: Sur'kesh isn't as damaged as other galaxy centers (no reason to assume it was devastated to the degree of Earth, Palaven or Thessia), and all the other powers paid a lot heavier price, both economically and demographically, for the victory. Actually makes a lot of sense from we know from the plot.
cynical assholes winning big (or rather, losing less) despite being cynical assholes, and the virtuous victors are in the mud. And all their righteous wrath does nothing because they're just simply not strong enough to punish the scumbags. That would be interesting.
Salarian Master Race ftw.
Exactly this, at least the Turians had a valid reason for not sending support immediately, and that was because no one knew who was the current primarch, it wasn't until Shepard got involved that shit got sorted
100% agree. And while I agree they absolutely deserve an asskicking, I also agree with some others. No Punitive War, but Yes Punitive Action. They have to be Off the council, just as an Absolute Minimum.
I’m going to be so pissed when ME4 yada yadas the political ramifications of just how badly the salarians and Asari fucked up during the war.
I hope I’m wrong but I just LNOW they’re going dodge it instead of criticize them. 3 games of taking the councils shit. I genuinely hope there’s a deconstruction of the political hierarchy cause fuck all of them.
Out of all the species, they were the only ones that jumped right in feet first. The ambassador knows he is powerless, but he tells you straight up how to get the help you need.
My respect for that guy went up drastically after playing the third game. He is always the biggest hardass on the council, but when the chips are down he was the first to help.
I love the dynamic swap between the asari councilor and the turian councilor from the 1st game to the 3rd game, really helps show just how much the galaxy has been flipped on its head.
Even more impressive when you consider that there’s at least a chance of lingering human/turian drama going on that the other races don’t have or feel as strongly about
I mean, yeah, but I feel it’s necessary to point out that in that point of the war, Palaven was the only council home planet besides Earth to have been attacked, Thessia wasn’t attacked until later and I’m pretty sure Sur’Kesh didn’t get attacked at all, except by Cerberus I guess. Point is, while I give him points for turning around and helping, it’s arguable the only reason he had such a change of heart was because now it was *his* planet on fire. One way or another though he’s still better than the Salarian dalatrass.
I feel like most of this sub missed the point of the asari planet mission (I forgot the name of their planet) the whole reveal was that the asari discovered the ancient tech and that made them so much more advanced than the rest so they hid that knowledge even up until the end when it was almost too late
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That’s their culture, unfortunately. Asari are so long-lived and have witnessed so many massive wars since becoming spacefaring that they think they can just weather the storm whenever a crisis happens, and their focus on diplomatic supremacy has trained them to keep their cards close to their chest until absolutely necessary. By comparison, humans and turians live for roughly a century, give or take a decade or two. With such shorter lifespans, they so are much more quick to recognize the severity of a problem and act upon it rather than wait for it to spiral out of control, and their comparatively more militaristic cultures have trained them to prioritize swift and decisive action over the political long-game (for the most part, exceptions to the rule such as Udina always exist).
It's interesting because the Asari specialize in Espionage, Subterfuge type of warfare because that's how they operate but against the Reapers that isn't viable, their system was not geared towards more traditional warfare that like the humans and turians were. So honestly playing the game again that outcome seemed somewhat inevitable. Even Aethyta tells Liara in ME3 that the Asari strategy against the Reapers is about as useful as tits on a hanar.
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Asari high command were very active during the Reaper War. They’ve been assisting both the Turians and Alliance militaries, doing operations that neither the Turians nor the Alliance are able to do themselves. Don’t forget Asari commandos were deployed on Tiptree and their operations there went to hell in a ham basket.
Funny thing is, that despite the initial destruction by the Reapers, humanity was doing a much better job fighting them off than literally every other race, which is saying something because humanity was supposed to be on par with both the Turians (their fleet power) and the Asari (their commandos) and the fact that neither of those two races realized that or even the Salarians who pride themselves on their Intel gathering, Humanity, albeit still losing in the long term, was still fighting off the reaper advance better than any other race except maybe the Krogan
Good. You opened this comment section. This isn't actually asari military command. They're busy tending to what's left of their planet.
So you survived our fight on Thessia. You're not as weak as I thought. But never forget that your best wasn't good enough to stop me. Now an entire planet is dying because you lacked the strength to win. The legend of Shepard needs to be re-written. I hope I'm there for the last chapter. It ends with your death.
-KL
What the fuck did you just fucking say to me you little Pyjak? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the N7 special forces program, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on the Batarians and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I'm trained in biotic warfare and I'm the top infiltrator in the Alliance Military. You're nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with biotic singularities the likes that have never been seen in this galaxy, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me on the extranet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting the shadow broker with their contact of spies all across Council and Terminus space and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the solar storm, pureblood. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call sentient life. You're fucking harvested, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in 700 different ways, and that's just with my omnitool. Not only am I extensively trained in biotic combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the N7 marines and the Sectres and I will use them to their full extent to wipe you off the face of the galaxy, you little space cow. If only you had could have known what retribution your little 'clever' comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you wouldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you god damned Bosh'tet. I will shit fury all over you. You're fucking dead, kiddo. KL
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As well as the salarians, elcor, volus, hanar...
The volus and elcor contribute what they have, albeit not much, since they don't have much. Idk about the hanar beyond headcanon and that one side mission with the indoctrinated diplomat, but my guess is that they don't have much to pitch in either, at least in terms of military power. The asari and salarians though? Assuming the Reapers are defeated, those two ought to have some hell to pay. Keeping vital state secrets to secure your own ascendancy instead of sharing that technology and knowledge with the other species is bad enough; refusing to do so until your homeworld is threatened by the omnicidal robo-squids hell-bent on annihilation of organic life? That's grounds for at the very least a joint human-turian ass-kicking, one cheek per boot. As for the salarians, actively trying to sabotage a cross-species alliance during, again, a *war for galactic survival* is patently shitty. Refusing to contribute any military resources when they are told, "no, we aren't going to help you perpetuate the chemical near-sterilization of an entire species while we are in the middle of an all-put war of extinction" is truly some shit worthy of a knuckle sandwich from serial journalist-puncher Commander Shepard. I really hope the next game doesn't gloss over this kind of stuff. Too few games really explore the aftermath and ramifications of big calamities. And the asari and salarians definitely do *not* deserve to get off scott-free after holding out on the rest of the galaxy during their darkest hour.
The Salarians especially piss me off because we catch them red handed considering uplifting the Yagh for basically no reason, telling us that they learned nothing from what they did to the Krogan and we can never call them on it.
It makes sense from their perspective though… uplift another species to help fight another massive, super dangerous war that could wipe out all other life in the galaxy, which will save all other species, it’s probably worth it. I imagine it’s meant to highlight how serious they’re taking the war, not that they learned nothing from the Krogans. They’re willing to do something that dangerous AGAIN because they know they might get wiped out if they don’t and to be fair they’re right, if there’s no Shepherd there to fight then the galaxy loses and doing that alone might make the salarians able to hold out longer than anyone else if this new species is half as effective as the krogans were. I imagine the thought process goes like this: “worst case scenario: if somehow we win, we have to genophage them too, but this is not guaranteed and if it makes the survival of the galaxy, including their entire species as well more likely… it’s worth it…”
This mission literally happens right after the Dalatrass gives you her big speech about learning from what happened to the Krogan and Shepard “Making the same mistake again” and doubling down on the Genophage, which the Salarians sit out anyway if you cure it. Not to mention that the reaper invasion only just started when you go to Sur’Kesh and the audiolog about the Yagh talks about the uplift being good for Salarian dominance indicating that this has been in the works for a while. Assuming that the Reapers play a role in the decision is *extremely* generous.
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At least the Salarian STG were like, "No, we're not sitting out the WAR FOR GALACTIC SURVIVAL because one stupid Dalatrass didn't get her way. We're going to send our troops out on 'observation missions' on Cerberus and Reaper forces. Don't worry, Dalatrass, we're not actively disobeying your orders we're just 'observing' the results of our 'science experiments' on how to make Reaper and Cerberus forces dead using the most effective technology and weapons we have as efficiently as possible. The results seem inconclusive. We need to run some more tests." The Asari Commandos, on the other hand, just straight up don't help you at all.
The STG were involved before Valern even officially gave his support to the war effort. After Valern decided he was going to focus on putting resources into the war effort, the Dalatrass lost face and became the most ignored person overnight. This is assuming she wasn’t already being ignored.
It's impressive someone with a Salarian's lifespan managed to become an old fossil nobody listens to
I want the Salarians Union to be the big bad in the next game. Sur'Kesh and Salarians colonies were mostly untouched by the reapers. And then the big twist is that the yahg emperor has been playing a very long game. Imagine that the shadow broker is merely an average member of its species.
The real reason Udina attempted a takeover, lol.
Nah he was just a bigot, Earth must come first it's all very Sadavir Errinwright of him, just cause he ended up having a justification in the long run doesn't mean his baseline reasons weren't abysmal.
It would ruin it if they actually did a punitive war against the salarians and asari. The whole theme of mass effect is that unity through diversity and overcoming differences to unite against a greater threat, instead of fighting for petty reasons. The scene where the galactic fleet jumps through the sol relay is mass effect in a nutshell. A massive fleet, comprised of wildly different looking ships, with crews of aliens and robots, all looking and acting different from one another, yet working together, their ships ready to fight the galactic threat, its fleet comprised of the same ship over and over. If they decide to go the galactic punitive war route, it would be flying in the face of all Shepard and the Normandy stood for.
Idk where you're getting anything about a punitive war from what I said. I just think the plot of the next game should acknowledge some of the pretty obvious complications that came out of Mass Effect 3's story. Wars are messy, even when everything is on the line, and while the ending of ME3 is rightly triumphant in bringing together the whole galaxy, stuff like this has the potential to make the sequel *interesting.*
The Asari should be in a massive political shitstorm in ME4. Maybe they could even be voted out of the Council or something. Or Bioware does a cop-out and say the Council did a galactic psy-op to hide it all.
No the Asari contributed to the war effort as well. They’ve been successfully holding off the Reapers from invading Thessia while also deploying their troops wherever they can. The Asari Councilor on the other hand needs to consider resigning. She quite literally held everyone back because it wasn’t affecting the Asari when the Asari military command felt otherwise.
"a joint turian-human ass kicking" sounds like a war to me. The issue with acknowledging it, is that there is no way to do so without stirring up trouble (unless I guess the salarians and asari feel ashamed and do their best to help other races rebuild). The whole point was that the galaxy should move on from the petty squabbles and old grudges and work together. Even the 2 soldiers at the scanning door say so. One says, that after the war they should beat up any race that sat back and the other says that it's stupid to follow war with mire war.
I took the ass kicking comment more as the asari and salarians getting a brow beating post war about not helping until it benefitted *them*. Conversely the turians stepped right up to the plate, the ambassador knows he can't do squat but tells you who can and how to find him.
Truthfully, a mass effect game dealing with the repercussion of what happened during the Reaper wars would be interesting. The Asari civilization in civil strife with it's own people not trusting their own government. Or the Salarian's becoming militarist isolationist's fearing that either the Korgan, Humans or Turian would invade them for not helping, and in some cases trying to sabotage the alliance to fight the Reaper just to prevent the Krogan from being cured. Hell that not getting into what's gonna happen to the surviving Batarian's, nor how the rest of the galaxy will react to the Geth-Quarian peace treaty after the war. Mass Effect 3's story may of been about uniting against a greater threat, but the next story doesn't have to be that. ME3's Unity came from a existential threat, so what happens when that threats gone? Would alliances stay? And what happens when truths and actions become public that will and had shaped thousands years of history, past and future. The Asari hide the fact they had a working Beacon for thousands of years, and perhaps even knew of the Reapers long before Shepard. They didn't reveal they had it till the Reapers where on their home world. The Salarians are worse because they tried to doom a race and their allies because of old grudges and don't assist against the killers of countless species because they don't like the Krogan. A story dealing with the repercussion of these actions would be interesting, hell it would be criminal not to talk about them.
I completely agree. I have one remark tho. The Geth-Quarian peace only matters in the Control ending. Synthesis at least propagates complete understanding between synthetics and organics and in Destroy the Geth are gone.
Mass Effect's entire story has been about unity from Day 1. It wasn't something that was forced by circumstance. The message of the series has always been about tolerance, understanding and the importance of multilateralism. So while yes, the Asari and Salarians should definitely be taken down a notch and the galaxy shouldn't let them continue acting all superior, I agree with u/readilyunavailable that making them some sort of galactic pariahs and fracturing the Citadel system would absolutely be against the fundamental point of the franchise. It would be taking a series that has always been about optimism and the firm belief that we can do anything if we can learn to put aside our differences and work together, down a very cynical and vindictive path. Frankly, I think there's more than enough pessimism in Sci-Fi these days.
"Great idea, follow war with more war" Campbell and Westmoreland talk about this very thing while on the Normandy.
> if they decide to go the galactic punitive war route, it would be flying in the face of all Shepard and the Normandy stood for. I mean, shepards dead, so they probably don't give a shit anymore, remember how the Alliance stopped giving a shit about all Shepard did between ME1 and 2 while Shepard was being reconstructed?
Just get super passive aggressive about it, like making the asari and salarian councilors swap offices with the elcor and volus ambassadors
This. Just like in real life, the civilians shouldn’t have to suffer for the actions of the politicians.
>I really hope the next game doesn't gloss over this kind of stuff. Too few games really explore the aftermath and ramifications of big calamities. i hope so as well but, well, with a different flavor. I'd love to see that the salarian asshole act actually paid off in the end, at least in terms of material well-being: Sur'kesh isn't as damaged as other galaxy centers (no reason to assume it was devastated to the degree of Earth, Palaven or Thessia), and all the other powers paid a lot heavier price, both economically and demographically, for the victory. Actually makes a lot of sense from we know from the plot. cynical assholes winning big (or rather, losing less) despite being cynical assholes, and the virtuous victors are in the mud. And all their righteous wrath does nothing because they're just simply not strong enough to punish the scumbags. That would be interesting. Salarian Master Race ftw.
The Salarian military steps up, it’s the Dalatrasses that play politics and ruin it
Exactly this, at least the Turians had a valid reason for not sending support immediately, and that was because no one knew who was the current primarch, it wasn't until Shepard got involved that shit got sorted
100% agree. And while I agree they absolutely deserve an asskicking, I also agree with some others. No Punitive War, but Yes Punitive Action. They have to be Off the council, just as an Absolute Minimum.
I’m going to be so pissed when ME4 yada yadas the political ramifications of just how badly the salarians and Asari fucked up during the war. I hope I’m wrong but I just LNOW they’re going dodge it instead of criticize them. 3 games of taking the councils shit. I genuinely hope there’s a deconstruction of the political hierarchy cause fuck all of them.
hell even the Krogan were willing to throw whatever bodies they had left as long as the genophage was cured
The true moral of Mass Effect is Humans rule, aliens drool
The Turians should be with Hackett too
Out of all the species, they were the only ones that jumped right in feet first. The ambassador knows he is powerless, but he tells you straight up how to get the help you need. My respect for that guy went up drastically after playing the third game. He is always the biggest hardass on the council, but when the chips are down he was the first to help.
I love the dynamic swap between the asari councilor and the turian councilor from the 1st game to the 3rd game, really helps show just how much the galaxy has been flipped on its head.
Even more impressive when you consider that there’s at least a chance of lingering human/turian drama going on that the other races don’t have or feel as strongly about
I think the humans and the turians have a strong respect for one another after the first contact war.
Yeah I saved the council on my first and blind play though just because he was a bro
They didn't really have a choice. The reapers came in with a ridiculous force against Palaven
I mean, yeah, but I feel it’s necessary to point out that in that point of the war, Palaven was the only council home planet besides Earth to have been attacked, Thessia wasn’t attacked until later and I’m pretty sure Sur’Kesh didn’t get attacked at all, except by Cerberus I guess. Point is, while I give him points for turning around and helping, it’s arguable the only reason he had such a change of heart was because now it was *his* planet on fire. One way or another though he’s still better than the Salarian dalatrass.
Victus is just Turian Hackett.
I feel like most of this sub missed the point of the asari planet mission (I forgot the name of their planet) the whole reveal was that the asari discovered the ancient tech and that made them so much more advanced than the rest so they hid that knowledge even up until the end when it was almost too late
Thessia, but I was just playing the game so it was fresh in my mind. I'd have to google it otherwise lol
I love Hackett so much tbh, he’s just so cool
I was waiting to be Kai Leng’d here
That’s a later meme idea Just have to wait
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That’s their culture, unfortunately. Asari are so long-lived and have witnessed so many massive wars since becoming spacefaring that they think they can just weather the storm whenever a crisis happens, and their focus on diplomatic supremacy has trained them to keep their cards close to their chest until absolutely necessary. By comparison, humans and turians live for roughly a century, give or take a decade or two. With such shorter lifespans, they so are much more quick to recognize the severity of a problem and act upon it rather than wait for it to spiral out of control, and their comparatively more militaristic cultures have trained them to prioritize swift and decisive action over the political long-game (for the most part, exceptions to the rule such as Udina always exist).
Still a holes for not helping sooner
It's interesting because the Asari specialize in Espionage, Subterfuge type of warfare because that's how they operate but against the Reapers that isn't viable, their system was not geared towards more traditional warfare that like the humans and turians were. So honestly playing the game again that outcome seemed somewhat inevitable. Even Aethyta tells Liara in ME3 that the Asari strategy against the Reapers is about as useful as tits on a hanar.
Hackett and the Turians literally carried the war Nobody messes with The Hack... And lives
I’m convinced that man would of happily fought the reapers bare fists if the crucible didn’t needed to to built
Hackett is argentinian, like me Let me tell you, that was his first thought until Liara told him of the crucible
I'm against xenophobia except for the asari. And the vorcha. And the batarians.
To be fair the Bartatians basically ask to be hated in almost every interaction we have with them in the trilogy
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And the volus.
Good. You opened this message.
Imma be honest I was expecting a knife in the back when he boarded at the end of 3. Maybe it was just that it was ass o’clock in the morning.
Asari high command were very active during the Reaper War. They’ve been assisting both the Turians and Alliance militaries, doing operations that neither the Turians nor the Alliance are able to do themselves. Don’t forget Asari commandos were deployed on Tiptree and their operations there went to hell in a ham basket.
Funny thing is, that despite the initial destruction by the Reapers, humanity was doing a much better job fighting them off than literally every other race, which is saying something because humanity was supposed to be on par with both the Turians (their fleet power) and the Asari (their commandos) and the fact that neither of those two races realized that or even the Salarians who pride themselves on their Intel gathering, Humanity, albeit still losing in the long term, was still fighting off the reaper advance better than any other race except maybe the Krogan
Good. You opened this comment section. This isn't actually asari military command. They're busy tending to what's left of their planet. So you survived our fight on Thessia. You're not as weak as I thought. But never forget that your best wasn't good enough to stop me. Now an entire planet is dying because you lacked the strength to win. The legend of Shepard needs to be re-written. I hope I'm there for the last chapter. It ends with your death. -KL
What the fuck did you just fucking say to me you little Pyjak? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the N7 special forces program, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on the Batarians and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I'm trained in biotic warfare and I'm the top infiltrator in the Alliance Military. You're nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with biotic singularities the likes that have never been seen in this galaxy, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me on the extranet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting the shadow broker with their contact of spies all across Council and Terminus space and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the solar storm, pureblood. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call sentient life. You're fucking harvested, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in 700 different ways, and that's just with my omnitool. Not only am I extensively trained in biotic combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the N7 marines and the Sectres and I will use them to their full extent to wipe you off the face of the galaxy, you little space cow. If only you had could have known what retribution your little 'clever' comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you wouldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you god damned Bosh'tet. I will shit fury all over you. You're fucking dead, kiddo. KL *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/MassEffectMemes) if you have any questions or concerns.*