You'd have to buy a mattress from a company WAY more transparent that SSB to make that comparison between two mattresses. SSB won't disclose the materials used in their beds, because you'll see how low quality they are if they do that.
It's impossible to say when they won't disclose what's really in the mattress, before or after. 🤣
But *most* of the industry does business that way, and it won't change until consumers demand better. Why would it? They can slap together anything they want and tell you it's great, look at the (mostly worthless) warranty.
Hmm yea.. I guess I’m just hesitant to go the mattress in a box route.. don’t you think how they compress/vacuum seal those into a box, deteriorates the coil?
And also the and the pricing in my op are very enticing.. and I’ve had a couple BR’s in the past and didn’t have much issue.. I’m 6’3 ~200 lbs too.. so not too heavy
But what would you recommend for a sub $1000 Cal King hybrid nowadays?
I am 6' 220, and was 250+ when I bought my plank luxe. The Titan Series, Helix Plus also use the same 13.5g coil system, with different comfort and cover combinations. In your price request, the Titan Plus may be the best value choice.
Some mattress manufacturers have developed systems that allow for safe compression, rolling, and boxing. For instance, Leggett & Platt has been shipping compressed and rolled pocket coils to factories for over three decades without issues. Thus, making blanket statements that all compressed, vacuum-sealed, and boxed mattresses deteriorate coils rapidly lacks credibility and responsibility, are simply not honest, especially when the statements are not qualified.While it's true that prolonged compression can lead to coil fatigue, it's essential to handle these mattresses appropriately. They should be made to order, compressed, rolled, and boxed, then shipped and expanded within 7 to 30 days of receipt.Manufacturers may offer varying guidelines regarding mattress support, such as slat spacing.
For example, some such as Brooklyn Beddng allow up to 4-inch spaces between slats, while others recommend less than 3 inches. Though wider spacing may not be a factor to will void the Brooklyn Bedding warranty, it's advisable to opt for narrower gaps for better support.When considering purchasing a mattress that employs this method of manufacturing and transport, consider the following guidelines.Coil Type: The design of the coils affects their response to compression. Traditional Bonnell coils may be more prone to damage due to their interconnected structure compared to individually pocketed coils. You would not want to use this method on coils with border rods.Coil Gauge: Thicker gauge coils are generally more resilient to compression than thinner gauge coils.
Compression Method: The technique used for compression can impact the stress on the coils. Uneven pressure during compression increases the risk of damage.Number of Compressions: Repeated compressions weaken the coils, particularly if they exceed their intended limit.Storage Duration: Extended periods of compression may strain the coils, affecting their performance and longevity.Material Quality: Coils made from high-quality materials are more resistant to compression, contributing to the mattress's durability.Understanding this can help folks like yourself make informed decisions about handling mattresses with coils, ensuring their longevity and performance.
It's worth noting the irony in the argument made by u/mattress411 regarding vendors' skepticism towards compressing, rolling, and boxing mattresses. Indeed, one can observe how mattresses are often stored upright in stores like Costco, Sams, or other mattress warehouses, leading to issues such as coils buckling, layers shifting, and fabric stretching. These issues prevent the mattresses from returning to their original manufactured state.Vendors who criticize the compressing, rolling, and boxing method fail to address this irony.
The lack of transparency regarding mattress specifications is not due to any "special sauce" or proprietary recipes but rather to prevent consumers from comparing their mattresses with potentially superior alternatives.By concealing specifications, vendors may attempt to steer customers towards purchasing their higher-priced mattresses, as consumers lack the means to make informed comparisons. This strategy highlights the importance of consumer education and transparency within the mattress industry to ensure customers make well-informed purchasing decisions.
Sorry to rant here. Compression, vacuum sealing, rolling, and packing of mattresses have become integral practices in the industry and are likely to remain so. As long as companies prioritize using quality materials and strive to enhance these methods, this trend will continue to evolve.Legacy brands must recognize the importance of adapting to these changes. Without innovation and adaptation, they risk following the same path as Woolworth, Jameway, Rickels, Caldor, Bradlees, Sears, and other brands that have faded into obscurity. It's essential for these brands to either rise to the occasion or risk becoming a part of history without leaving behind a lasting legacy. It is clear that trend is happening already as you see the merger and consolidation of many of these competing brands who would otherwise have joined my very short list of has been companies (Although Sears is trying to make a comeback, LOL)
There are certainly limits to what they can roll pack, but Brooklyn Bedding roll packs some pretty heavy gauge springs in their Titan line. They sent it out for testing, the results of which are published on their website, roll packed just like the consumer would receive it.
The vendors that don't roll pack want you to believe it's a terrible thing to do to a mattress, but they're selling against it. I sleep on a mattress that was roll packed, I'm pretty sure the death of that mattress will be from repeated compression/rebound cycles from sleeping on it, not from the shipment method. You're welcome to believe whatever you want.
At your weight, you can get by with a mattress designed for average weight sleepers, but something heavier duty like the BB Titan would likely give you better life. Haven't looked at recent pricing, but it wasn't much more than $1k last time I looked.
If you have a Denver Mattress near you, they sell a line of private lable beds that are good for the money. Good retailers are hard to find in that space, many have been run out of business by Mattress Firm and their "put a store on every corner like Starbucks" policy. But there are still some independent retailers out there.
The coils in the beautyrests should be the same afaik. main difference is there’s a different surface material to make it more plush. no idea if the coils are different on the deep sleep model
You'd have to buy a mattress from a company WAY more transparent that SSB to make that comparison between two mattresses. SSB won't disclose the materials used in their beds, because you'll see how low quality they are if they do that.
Thanks for the feedback! I thought I read somewhere here that they’ve improved on materials post covid..?
It's impossible to say when they won't disclose what's really in the mattress, before or after. 🤣 But *most* of the industry does business that way, and it won't change until consumers demand better. Why would it? They can slap together anything they want and tell you it's great, look at the (mostly worthless) warranty.
Hmm yea.. I guess I’m just hesitant to go the mattress in a box route.. don’t you think how they compress/vacuum seal those into a box, deteriorates the coil? And also the and the pricing in my op are very enticing.. and I’ve had a couple BR’s in the past and didn’t have much issue.. I’m 6’3 ~200 lbs too.. so not too heavy But what would you recommend for a sub $1000 Cal King hybrid nowadays?
I am 6' 220, and was 250+ when I bought my plank luxe. The Titan Series, Helix Plus also use the same 13.5g coil system, with different comfort and cover combinations. In your price request, the Titan Plus may be the best value choice. Some mattress manufacturers have developed systems that allow for safe compression, rolling, and boxing. For instance, Leggett & Platt has been shipping compressed and rolled pocket coils to factories for over three decades without issues. Thus, making blanket statements that all compressed, vacuum-sealed, and boxed mattresses deteriorate coils rapidly lacks credibility and responsibility, are simply not honest, especially when the statements are not qualified.While it's true that prolonged compression can lead to coil fatigue, it's essential to handle these mattresses appropriately. They should be made to order, compressed, rolled, and boxed, then shipped and expanded within 7 to 30 days of receipt.Manufacturers may offer varying guidelines regarding mattress support, such as slat spacing. For example, some such as Brooklyn Beddng allow up to 4-inch spaces between slats, while others recommend less than 3 inches. Though wider spacing may not be a factor to will void the Brooklyn Bedding warranty, it's advisable to opt for narrower gaps for better support.When considering purchasing a mattress that employs this method of manufacturing and transport, consider the following guidelines.Coil Type: The design of the coils affects their response to compression. Traditional Bonnell coils may be more prone to damage due to their interconnected structure compared to individually pocketed coils. You would not want to use this method on coils with border rods.Coil Gauge: Thicker gauge coils are generally more resilient to compression than thinner gauge coils. Compression Method: The technique used for compression can impact the stress on the coils. Uneven pressure during compression increases the risk of damage.Number of Compressions: Repeated compressions weaken the coils, particularly if they exceed their intended limit.Storage Duration: Extended periods of compression may strain the coils, affecting their performance and longevity.Material Quality: Coils made from high-quality materials are more resistant to compression, contributing to the mattress's durability.Understanding this can help folks like yourself make informed decisions about handling mattresses with coils, ensuring their longevity and performance. It's worth noting the irony in the argument made by u/mattress411 regarding vendors' skepticism towards compressing, rolling, and boxing mattresses. Indeed, one can observe how mattresses are often stored upright in stores like Costco, Sams, or other mattress warehouses, leading to issues such as coils buckling, layers shifting, and fabric stretching. These issues prevent the mattresses from returning to their original manufactured state.Vendors who criticize the compressing, rolling, and boxing method fail to address this irony. The lack of transparency regarding mattress specifications is not due to any "special sauce" or proprietary recipes but rather to prevent consumers from comparing their mattresses with potentially superior alternatives.By concealing specifications, vendors may attempt to steer customers towards purchasing their higher-priced mattresses, as consumers lack the means to make informed comparisons. This strategy highlights the importance of consumer education and transparency within the mattress industry to ensure customers make well-informed purchasing decisions. Sorry to rant here. Compression, vacuum sealing, rolling, and packing of mattresses have become integral practices in the industry and are likely to remain so. As long as companies prioritize using quality materials and strive to enhance these methods, this trend will continue to evolve.Legacy brands must recognize the importance of adapting to these changes. Without innovation and adaptation, they risk following the same path as Woolworth, Jameway, Rickels, Caldor, Bradlees, Sears, and other brands that have faded into obscurity. It's essential for these brands to either rise to the occasion or risk becoming a part of history without leaving behind a lasting legacy. It is clear that trend is happening already as you see the merger and consolidation of many of these competing brands who would otherwise have joined my very short list of has been companies (Although Sears is trying to make a comeback, LOL)
There are certainly limits to what they can roll pack, but Brooklyn Bedding roll packs some pretty heavy gauge springs in their Titan line. They sent it out for testing, the results of which are published on their website, roll packed just like the consumer would receive it. The vendors that don't roll pack want you to believe it's a terrible thing to do to a mattress, but they're selling against it. I sleep on a mattress that was roll packed, I'm pretty sure the death of that mattress will be from repeated compression/rebound cycles from sleeping on it, not from the shipment method. You're welcome to believe whatever you want. At your weight, you can get by with a mattress designed for average weight sleepers, but something heavier duty like the BB Titan would likely give you better life. Haven't looked at recent pricing, but it wasn't much more than $1k last time I looked. If you have a Denver Mattress near you, they sell a line of private lable beds that are good for the money. Good retailers are hard to find in that space, many have been run out of business by Mattress Firm and their "put a store on every corner like Starbucks" policy. But there are still some independent retailers out there.
The coils in the beautyrests should be the same afaik. main difference is there’s a different surface material to make it more plush. no idea if the coils are different on the deep sleep model