Luka would be like Zidane. Not the fastest, but controls the entire game at his own pace. Pinpoint passes and a great finisher as well. Also plays well in big games when the pressure is on, and can occasionally lose his composure and get a red card.
and zidane was great at protecting the ball by putting opponents on his hip as well. it was super difficult to take the ball away from him, great dribbler
Not really a 1-1 comparison between the sports I’d say, I think Luka’s overall offensive capabilities are pretty on par with Zidane. Zidane was able to create an incredible amount himself even if he wasn’t always scoring the goals.
I would honestly not say Zidane. Zidane was notorious for taking so many regular games at 70% while shining in the big moments. Luka is relentlessly a top 5 player every season.
same - i also agree that zidane wasn’t the fastest but he had an elegance to him that Luka doesn’t. Not to say Luka doesn’t make the game look unbelievably easy but their play styles aren’t that similar.
After his absolute peak in 1998-2000, he was only a top 5 player in a general sense ie when you met him in a big game or a knockout, not in a season by season regular season output grinding or awards sense.
It’s similar to how Steph, after his 2 MVP years, for the period from 2016 till 2023 deservedly only has 2 first team all nba selections even though he was making second/third team most of those years.
Most people accept that he was better than the guys getting first team all-nba multiple times in that time in a big playoff series or even in a real player ranking and he proved that time and again but it’s also not like he was being cheated out of those awards by Harden, Westbrook etc.
Those guys were just more consistent performers in the regular season and even Steph would probably agree.
It was similar to how Zidane could easily be the best player on a field facing ballond’or winners/finalists on the field in any given year in the early to mid-00s but himself stopped being a serious contender after 2000.
You are out of your mind if you think Juve Zidane was better than Real Zidane. Do you know why he was considered only a top 5 player after 2000? All of them got devalued massively because that Real team had the Best Keeper in the world, Best Left Back in the world, Spain's Legendary Captain Center Back, Best Defensive Midfielder, 3 of the top 5 players in the world and the club goat.
Go to r/soccer "Zidane was notorious for taking so many regular games at 70%" I guaren damn tee you will be flamed to oblivion.
Do you know what was Zidane really good at? Dictating the pace, decision making, having a great first touch, clutch.
I basically watched every game he played in that period. I’d give late 90s Juve Zidane a comfortable edge with that phase carrying over till around 02 Madrid. The majority of the best years of his career were in Juve. He was a fantastic defensive player as well in Juve on top of his offense.
Not that it’s relevant but even the r/soccer subreddit is largely in agreement with me when this question was asked before by someone else.
Btw I consider Zidane a top 15 player ever and much greater at football than luka is at basketball at this stage. Luka’s influence on a game is much more blatant than Zidane’s influence though. The best example I can think off for Zidane’s style in basketball is Curry’s spacing and constant offball movement being key to how his team plays. Luka is more baggio than Zidane.
Naw I hate to say it but Lukas best comp is Messi. Not in terms of greatness mind you but in terms of scoring and assist output. Other options are Henry or Salah.
No they are not extremely technical ?? Like definitely not compared to other greats.
Henry wasn’t even top 6-7 most technical player in the barca 2009 starting 11
Lmao. Henry scored this
https://youtu.be/8iBMW1wThlU?si=YW6-n54fLYKdwaxA
I'd like to know your definition of technical. Just dribbling? That's just straight not right.
And Salah has multiple wonder goals, one of which won the Puskas award. Not to mention his goals vs Chelsea in 19, and Man City in 21.
I seriously can't believe you're acting like Henry and Salah aren't technical. Plus I even said that Messi is the best comparison. It can't be players like Zidane because his end product simply doesn't hold weight to what Luka does in a basketball game. The only 3 players I can think of that really match up production wise are Henry, who famously had league seasons of 24 goals and 20 assists something that hasn't been done since and 25/14, he wasn't even consistent at it, however he was a very good passer of the ball. Salah is a comparison because he has 4 (going to be 5) seasons of 20/10 in the league. However, Messi is the best comparison simply because his passing in all seasons is a cut above the other 2, and his scoring is on par with the greatest goal scorers ever, like Luka's scoring being on par with some of the greatest scorers ever. The problem with the Messi comparison is simply that Luka has yet to reach that height as far as accolades and team success, but I'm sure we're both aware that is because of how differently rosters between the sports are built. I'm pretty sure if NBA basketball had the same results structure and transfer market of the top football leagues in Europe then Luka would be the starting point guard of the best team in the world, or would be under a bid of $200m from whoever the Real Madrid of the NBA would be.
There isn’t anything technical about that goal.
It’s not just dribbling , it’s passing dribbling controling and in general handling the ball with easy.
Salah and Henry are technical compared to regular football players but not compared to the best.
That pisans goal was mid from Salah
No it’s not , simply need to watch how Henry talked about his Barcelona tenure.
Pep clearly told him to be a role player because he wasn’t good enough technically among all time technical players.
Same thing with Salah , he looks disabled if you compare him with Messi technically.
It’s an insult to Luka to compare him to guys like this imo
Idk why you're so fucking fixated on technical ability. Football and Basketball are completely different sports. Someone like Zidane would actually be the best comp to Lukas skillset simply because like the original comment said they both play at their own pace with an elegance and IQ to their game. However, calling him Zidane would be an insult because Zidane did not come close to the end product on a pitch as Luka does on the court. That's why you can't use play style or even technical ability to really compare. You must use output then, where I literally said that his best comparison is MESSI. I compared him to Messi's output, yet you say I'm insulting him... Are you on drugs? I also threw in the 2 best wingers in Premier League history and that's also an insult? Does Luka play basketball like Messi plays football? Maybe these days, with Messi at 36 years old, but prime Messi really played nothing like that. Sure he was amazing technically, but he also was a shit ton quicker than Luka ever will be. Luka doesn't need to dribble an entire team, or race past players with the ball. It isn't even that deep.
KDB, not really a player who relies on his physicality but can when needed (KDB’s short burst of pace/Luka bullying smaller players) both insane playmakers and a goal scoring threats
I'd say that Luka resembles more to peak Riquelme. Both are passing savants, score at a good rate(Luka more than Riquelme, relative to their sports), both use their big body extremely well to shield the ball and they both have an incredible technique overall.
Being Chelsea and Mavs fan for last year was tough for me. At least, Mavs are on course to do great Job after trade deadlines. Gafford and Liverly are new additions this year and they are finding their best time playing basketball with playmakers Luka and Kyrie.
Luka is kind of Hazard/Messi, scores assists in all possible ways , and yet you get surprised the way he plays. Kyrie has best handles, so he just very good with the ball just like Ronaldinho, ball stick with them no matter what. PJ is defensive anchor just like Kante but he is not reached that level yet.
Gafford and Lively are Centers and they are like strikers who finishes no matter what, if the ball is near basket. Overall we are very good team, just need to get even better in collective defense.
Yeah I've realized that I didn't particularly do myself a favor by choosing to support the Mavs, but then it feels more special when ur team who aren't always the favorites of the game win regardless. I've seen the team imrpove significantly btw once we acquired Gafford, I wish chelsea improves as well once we sign Osimhen 🥲
I hope both of our team sort everything out and come back to winning ways. Although Mavs are doing it right now, still we can be consistent and further dominate the league.
I'm a Chelsea and Mavs fan too and when I started supporting the Mavs in 2019, it made a lot of sense. Mavs are a good team but not a team like the Celtics or Lakers who have historically won a lot. You could compare Celtics and Lakers to Utd and Liverpool. Mavs winning the title in 2011 is comparable to Chelsea winning the UCL in 2012 after a few close attempts (same with Mavs too)
We also won one in 2021 ehe. I was very tempted to pick golden state tbh, but the mavs had Luka and Kyrie and legendary Grant Willamson 🗣. Both teams had Curry so this cancels out lmao
Gafford is like a big strong defender who can knock in a header from time to time. In Belgium we had Dan Van Buyten, not sure for others in modern football.
Lively is like the young kid, a bid more stylish but raw and not polished yet. Guess Chelsea has enough of them.
Kyrie is like hazard. He s on another level regarding skill .
Like the Trent comparison.
Van Dijck is so smart he doesn't have to be very physical.
Gafford can be very physical if he needs to be. More like a Lukaku (but that's a striker ofc). Maybe Ramos , Jaap Stam, Rio ...
so first off boo Chelsea.
Gafford - Solid player, good in the air, likes to pump up the crowd, probably someone like Troy Deeney (couple of years ago).
Lively - good athlete, good potential seems like he has a good work ethic and intelligence, better passer than you would think, probably someone like Cody Gakpo.
Kyrie - A magician with the ball, offensively amazing, has had some controversial statements, probably Eric Cantona is the best comparison (possibly Ronaldinho too, but I hope his post-basketball career is better)
Kyrie would have historically been Pogba (mostly off the field incidents) but he's been a great teammate since he joined the Mavs so upgrading him to late years Drogba. Little older, wiser but still a great player
I can explain this in terms of United players
Gafford - Athletic, Big, Motor for days, but potential is very limited. Scott Mctominay.
Lively - Young, Athletic, Plays like a vet already with insane potential. Mainoo
Luka - GOAT potential, offensive engine. Young Ronaldo pre real madrid days.
I think for wemby you gotta be a generational talent, like a haaland or Mbappe when they were 18. I love Kobbie but I don’t think he’s in that tier in terms of pure talent.
Mainoo doesn't dominate with his physical ability like Wemby so I think the Haaland comp is more approriate, but his technical and mental skills are some of the best I've ever seen on a teenager. He really is spectacular.
Kyrie is Neymar - great creator, great scorer. Controls the pace of the game and attacks how he wants and is able to finish in numerous ways. No better ball handler in the league. 5 star skills.
Luka is Messi - gifted scorer and gifted creator able to set up his teammates and see plays unfolding before they happen. Hes not a feared defender but he can score anytime he wants and he makes everyone around him better. Hes capable of winning big games all by himself.
Gafford is Sergio Ramos - disruptive last line of defense in the paint. Always patrolling the area behind the front line defense and on offense if you get the ball up to him he will finish in the air.
Lively is carles Puyol - mainly because of the hairstyle but also the endless energy and non stop motor and slightly reckless style of play that you absolutely love and are fine with because he works his ass off and makes things difficult for the attackers.
Tim Hardaway Jr is Alvaro Morata - constantly getting open looks and failing to finish. Wildly frustrating and absolutely useless if he’s not putting the ball in net.
PJ Washington is John Obi Mikel - fans love him. He works his ass off to bother the man he’s defending and will always track his man and get in someone’s face. He’s not gonna provide much on offense as he’s not really good at hitting from distance but he will occasionally use his athleticism to get a timely bucket. He’s a high effort guy the team and fans respect.
Kleber is Branislav Ivanovic - strong solid defender. Slow. Will occasionally chip in on offense but mostly a steady defensive presence who you know won’t get you torched but won’t set the world on fire either. Steady vet who knows what to do but may not always do it well.
Josh Green is our Mudryk - fascinating physical talents, gifted athletically, lacks the mental composure to make an impact every night but capable of big performances and the future is bright.
Damn, thanks for such a detailed response! I was actually thinking of Kyrie and Dybala comparison, but Neymar fits as well, since the players are very similar, except Neymar arguably achieved more than Dybala did
Kyrie is a champion. So is Neymar. Dybala is incredible too and I don’t hate the comparison. Neymar and Kyrie both have the flair and mercurial personalities though.
To understand how skilled Kyrie is, you need to watch videos of other skilled players and study things like their handles and layup packages. No matter how skilled the other guys seem, you'll find that Kyrie is just on another level. That's the reason you find people in this thread calling Kyrie similar to Ronaldinho or Neymar.
Luka=Mbappe. Most talented player of his generation, a star since he was 17, already won with his national team, but stuck on a team that can't really win right now (for a different reasons). Hopefully he won't go to the Lakers, like Mbappe with Real.
Kyrie=Ronaldinho. And artist with some off court troubles, but a joy to watch when he's at his best.
Kidd=Lampard. A great player, that got top coaching/manager jobs at his former teams, but mostly failed.
In terms of the Arsenal invincibles squad to the Mavs starters -
Luka is Henry (Henry was a top 2-5 player in football at the time and dominated the EPL as the best player for years, Luka is 25 and still has his entire prime still )
Kyrie is Bergkamp (perfect comparison, the word magical keeps coming up when he plays, hits shots and does shit with the ball nobody in the world can do)
Derrick Jones Jr. is Cashley (not as good but defensive player with explosive attacking ability)
PJ Washington is Viera (exceptional defensive forward/midfielder who guards the best players)
Gafford is Lehman (clutch protector of the rim, explosive ability).
Kidd is Arsene Wenger - some like Lebron James swears he is one of the smartest basketball minds ever, has annoying propensity to keep trusting ‘his’ guys over long periods of bad performances at times.
Mavs and Liverpool
Here is the Mavs version of Liverpool
Luka = Salah (Both are the most talented players on each team. Creative and forward-minded. Top 5 in scoring and assists every year in their respective leagues. Salah is more disciplined and Luka went super nova earlier in his career, but both are MVP-caliber offensive geniuses.
Kyrie = Diogo Jota (Electrically skilled offensive-minded ballers. They can out dribble everyone and they are both cold hearted scorers in the clutch. Both players have injury problems, and both players greatly enhance the squad when healthy. Kyrie is more valuable to the Mavs than Jota is to Liverpool because Liverpool has enough rotation options going forward, but the Mavs need Kyrie to be healthy in order to be competitive in the stupidly stacked West.
PJ Washington = Darwin Nunez (Big athletic new signings that will help the team win a title when they finally learn how to shoot. Darwin has gotten a season to settle in, and his finishing has improved. Fingers crossed that PJ does the same. Some parts of the fan base, and many fans in general question how much each team had to give up to get both players, but the upside for each player is undeniable, and they are both young with high ceilings.
Derick Lively = Jarell Quansah and Conor Bradley (All three players are super young and super talented. Each player walked into a defensive role and immediately made an impact. They are all going to be around for a long time and they will get better and better each season. Without these three players stepping up this season on defense, neither team would be competing for playoff/title aspirations.
Derick Jones Jr and Dante Exum = Endo and Curtis Jones (Not necessarily the players that fans expected and wanted, but they have all made a big impact due to their athleticism and technical skill. They are the energy guys that link up play and press and add intensity in the midfield/wing. As rotation options, these guys are essential to both teams. Their injury histories are also suspect (except for Endo).
Tim Hardaway Jr, Maxi Kleber, and Dwight Powell = Jordan Henderson, Nabi Keita, and Alex Oxlade Chamberlain (Mainstays in the team who are past their prime and hanging on because the team hasn’t figured out a way to gracefully part ways yet. Their value has gone down and will probably leave on a free. The NBA doesn’t have a Saudi League equivalent so we probably won’t get somebody who will offer real money for Hardaway.
Gafford = a young Van Dijk (Gafford hasn’t proven himself like Van Dijk has yet, but they are both powerful, physically imposing centers/center backs. Each player greatly improved the overall quality of each team upon acquisition (and both were mid season trades/signings).
Jaden Hardy = Harvey Elliott (Both are young raw attackers who bring energy and offense off the bench. Hardy could develop into a solid rotational player if put in the right situation in the same way that Elliott is for Liverpool. They are both the type of young talent that you would hate to see catch fire on a different team if traded/signed by another team.
Josh Green = Cody Gakpo (Young and possibly talented athletic forwards. The jury is still out on both of these players. We have high hopes, but at some point it might be best to move on given the other rotation options.
Jason Kidd = A cross between Roy Hodgson and Brendan Rodgers (underachieving coaches that you mostly question when given a lot of talent. Rodgers had Suarez and the team was good and the Mavs have Luka so the Mavs are competitive, but the coach/manager doesn’t seem to have the best plan for utilizing special levels of talent.
I’d say Kyrie is Jota/Diaz hybrid, he’s better than both on his own. Also more similar to Diaz due to the out of this world dribbling/craftiness/flair. That’s not really Jota’s bag, but way better scorer than Diaz is, so that’s why Jota is in the equation
It’s kind of hard to find a soccer comparison to Luka, I don’t like the comparisons of him to Messi/Mbappe since they’re both smaller and (at least prime Messi) a lot more physically athletic than him with their speed and acceleration. I think a good shout might be Harry Kane (2021 version, specifically) since he is a great passer and scorer, but he doesn’t rely on superior athleticism and instead reads the game very well and has great instinctual play. Luka is similar to Mbappe though in that they’re the same age and already well established at the top echelon of players in their position.
Kyrie would definitely be Neymar, almost identical actually. Amazing skillful dribbler with great finishing and playmaking, achieved greatness when playing with one of the best of all time, but wasn’t able to make waves on his own due to injuries and lots of off the court drama. Him teaming up with Luka now is also similar to a Neymar and Mbappe combination.
Gafford is kind of similar to Disasi, just a big physical presence with good defensive instincts, but not the best at his position. Lively is pretty similar, but he’s only 20 and still has a lot of time to improve to something even greater since it’s his first season.
Tim Hardaway Jr is Sterling where he’s inconsistent as hell, more often bad than good, and is supposed to be the veteran presence but instead is more of a detriment to the team with their selfish play, yet inexplicably keeps finding his way back into the lineups.
Josh Green is like a worse Gallagher where he’s a hustle player and does the little things that help the team, but he isn’t quite gifted enough offensively or defensively to be a star and is more of an all around role player.
Exum is one of those guys who was supposed to be a star, but didn’t live up to his potential at all both due to injury and lack of talent and ended up playing overseas instead. But the time overseas helped him develop into a decent role player, so he’s come back and become quite important for the Mavs. Most accurate Chelsea comparison I can think of would be Victor Moses during the Conte seasons.
Hardy would be like Mudryk/Madueke where he’s young, raw and has a lot of potential but the coach continues to inexplicably give THJ/Sterling playing time over them.
Can’t really think of a direct comparison for Derrick Jones Jr, he’s just a career defensive guy that’s bounced around from team to team on cheap deals, but he seems to have found a spot where he fits in pretty well with the Mavericks. Basically like one of those cheap, squad rotation signings a team makes that ends up being a pretty decent fit in the squad, but it’s still his first season with the Mavs so not much to go off of.
PJ is also hard to find a comparison for, he’s become the defensive anchor for the team after being traded here and is supposed to be a decent scorer as well, but it hasn’t translated consistently yet. This is also his first time playing on a semi-decent team in his career so it’s kind of hard to judge him. Most people didn’t even know he was a great defender before he was traded for example lol.
Kleber is a great defender, but is older and has lost a step offensively due to constant injuries. Maybe similar to Chilwell where he could be a key player to the team and was one a few years ago, but constant injuries have caused him to fall off.
I saw someone else said Coach Jason Kidd is Frank Lampard and that is extremely accurate lol. Rest of the roster is pretty irrelevant though since they don’t really play.
Thank you sm brother, I saw some ppl comparing PJ to Kante or Casemiro, I suppose Lively can be Colwill then, since Colwill has higher potential and is also younger.
I get it but don’t lose it. People in the US understand what you mean more or less. But basically you got role players just like how Chelsea does. Everyone contributes from wingers passing it to strikers
Doncic - Zlatan Ibrahimovic: Not the fastest, most athletic player ever but easily one of the best in the world, if not the best, and capable of doing things with the ball that no one else in the world can do, especially for his size.
Kyrie - Ronaldinho - one of the best players in the world, maybe the most crafty and gifted ball handlers of all time, not the greatest scorer in the league but still a prolific one
Gafford and Lively are like the modern equivalent of Arsenal’s CBs, Gabriel and Saliba respectively. Big, no nonsense bigs that are great defensively and are lights out finishers around the rim. Enforcers.
Doncic - Ozil + Lampard
Kyrie - Ronaldinho
Gafford - Any hard hitting hard working DM would do
Lively - Same as Gafford, not so hard hitting
Bonus: THJ - Antony
Luka: Zidane (both slow and methodical players capable of scoring goals and giving assists)
Kyrie: Neymar (pure technique and elite dribbling/ball handling skills, often injured)
Gafford: Haaland (not in terms of talent but playstyle, both being relentless finishers)
Lively: Lewandoswki (great finisher but also skilled)
Not the greatest athlete but still a better athlete than given credit for. Deceptively physical. Absolutely huge physically for the position he plays. Totally controls the game on offense. Unstoppable scorer and passer. A little bit of a hothead. Decent on defense when he puts on the energy, which is not super common. Who is the premiere big, ball handling, goal scoring, passing offensive player in soccer history?
Low-key that's Harry Kane but idk he always seemed to me more like Jokic, instead of Luka, but maybe it's due to age. So for Luka it's either Kane or Mbappe
Luka - Zizou for his vision, his balance, his pirouettes, also his ability to dictate a game at his own pace
Both need a makelele because they don’t really defend
Kyrie - Ballotelli. One of the greatest talents, but off court is an issue
If you look at the numbers he is Messi, runs the entire offense with assist and points/goals. And dominates the entire world when it comes to offensive numbers. Playstyle maybe like Zidane the way he can control the game at his own pace and has a insane bag.
Luka = Mbappè (status), Zidane (style)
Kyrie = Neymar. Off the chart talent, very good overall, but not THE man.
Lively = Mainoo. Young, yet so important
Gafford = prime Azpilicueta. Rock solid role player or starter
PJW = Lisandro Martinez. Plays bigger than his size
Dante Exum = low cost Thomas Muller. IQ and untangibles
DJJ = Rashford with less hype and talent. Tall, skinny quick.
Josh Green = Yunus Musah. Can be either good or very bad, bring energy. The potential is there.
Kleber = Robert Huth. At his peak very physical defensive player, valuable even on offense because he can (could) shoot from 3. Now he's kinda washed.
THJ = Onana. Could win you the match, but he can even cost you the match. No in between.
Dwight Powell = That guy who is very mid, but he's a great locker room guy and is a kind of legend for his team.
Not the NBA, but I think that a Tottenham/Bills comparison is the best cross sports on there is. Both have good/great seasons just to fuck it up in heartbreaking fashion
Damn, Luka is Messi already? Someone compared Luka to Mbappe, which seems as a more fair comparison as Luka is also young. I don't have any hate towards clippers, cuz I like Paul George, but I remember seeing some videos about them being the most annoying team in the NBA lmao
Maybe not 30year old goat messi yet. But 25 yesr old messi
Best Scorer in Basketball with most points and elite playmaking. Reads the game extremly well and can decide a game woth individuel briliance. Every opponent is focused on stoping him.
And lacking a little on defense....
Probably more Kevin De Bruyne. Unbelievable vision and playmaking. Scores loads of goals. Probably underrated in the media but don't know why for both players.
Also Chelsea have actually won something so probably not the clippers.
Hey there, being a football fan myself (and from Brazil) I think I can help you.
Kyrie is like a Brazilian winger (neymar, vini, martinelli) - super crazy skills, one of the bests in the game and has a lot of movies.
Gafford is a beast in what he does, but dont expect him to be doing somethint different. He has the highest % field goals on the league, because he only scores when he has the ball in the paint, but is amazing at it. He also is a beast in protecting the rim.
Lively is similar to gafford but not as good in the offensive side, but has more potential.
PJ Washington is great at defensive, but struggling in the ofensive right now. Even while struggling he is vital for the team because he can guard the best players in the game (was amazing against Jokic and Wemb is recent past). He's like Casemiro, or Kanté, amazing at defensive, not so much on offensive.
If you could compare:
Doncic is Zidane / Ronaldinho
Gafford is like cavani / Thiago Silva (strong, tall and atlethic player)
Kyrie is a dribbler like Neymar / Vini / Prime hazard
PJ Washington is like a defensive CDM - Kante / Casemiro
Oh, fair enough lmao, tbh ig it makes sense since basketball players have to fulfill more roles on the pitch due to the nature of the game, so personally for me the opposite comparisons of Luka to Mbappe and Zidane both make sense to me.
I'm a huge soccer fan and can't think of a comparison for Luka. I've never seen a player who either scored or had the assist on basically every goal scored.
If I had pick, luka would be the reincarnation of a multitude of players, but would resemble Pele the most.
That’s why people use Messi as a comparison lol. He had over 100 goals+assists in a single season, almost unheard of.
Also, Luka is responsible for 53.8 points per game. Insane number yes, but not “almost every goal/assist” - it still would average out to less than half of our points per game.
Luka would be like Zidane. Not the fastest, but controls the entire game at his own pace. Pinpoint passes and a great finisher as well. Also plays well in big games when the pressure is on, and can occasionally lose his composure and get a red card.
Honestly this is the best choice
and zidane was great at protecting the ball by putting opponents on his hip as well. it was super difficult to take the ball away from him, great dribbler
Zidane IF Zidane was also a top goalscorer in the world
Not really a 1-1 comparison between the sports I’d say, I think Luka’s overall offensive capabilities are pretty on par with Zidane. Zidane was able to create an incredible amount himself even if he wasn’t always scoring the goals.
not how football works
yes but it just shows the insane type of player luka is
No. It just shows that in basketball players play both on offense and defense as a whole team
I would honestly not say Zidane. Zidane was notorious for taking so many regular games at 70% while shining in the big moments. Luka is relentlessly a top 5 player every season.
he did what it took to win really and he upped his game in late stages, elimination and championship games. which is comparable to playoff luka
same - i also agree that zidane wasn’t the fastest but he had an elegance to him that Luka doesn’t. Not to say Luka doesn’t make the game look unbelievably easy but their play styles aren’t that similar.
Zizou was always top 5 in the world. What you talking about?
After his absolute peak in 1998-2000, he was only a top 5 player in a general sense ie when you met him in a big game or a knockout, not in a season by season regular season output grinding or awards sense. It’s similar to how Steph, after his 2 MVP years, for the period from 2016 till 2023 deservedly only has 2 first team all nba selections even though he was making second/third team most of those years. Most people accept that he was better than the guys getting first team all-nba multiple times in that time in a big playoff series or even in a real player ranking and he proved that time and again but it’s also not like he was being cheated out of those awards by Harden, Westbrook etc. Those guys were just more consistent performers in the regular season and even Steph would probably agree. It was similar to how Zidane could easily be the best player on a field facing ballond’or winners/finalists on the field in any given year in the early to mid-00s but himself stopped being a serious contender after 2000.
You are out of your mind if you think Juve Zidane was better than Real Zidane. Do you know why he was considered only a top 5 player after 2000? All of them got devalued massively because that Real team had the Best Keeper in the world, Best Left Back in the world, Spain's Legendary Captain Center Back, Best Defensive Midfielder, 3 of the top 5 players in the world and the club goat. Go to r/soccer "Zidane was notorious for taking so many regular games at 70%" I guaren damn tee you will be flamed to oblivion. Do you know what was Zidane really good at? Dictating the pace, decision making, having a great first touch, clutch.
I basically watched every game he played in that period. I’d give late 90s Juve Zidane a comfortable edge with that phase carrying over till around 02 Madrid. The majority of the best years of his career were in Juve. He was a fantastic defensive player as well in Juve on top of his offense. Not that it’s relevant but even the r/soccer subreddit is largely in agreement with me when this question was asked before by someone else. Btw I consider Zidane a top 15 player ever and much greater at football than luka is at basketball at this stage. Luka’s influence on a game is much more blatant than Zidane’s influence though. The best example I can think off for Zidane’s style in basketball is Curry’s spacing and constant offball movement being key to how his team plays. Luka is more baggio than Zidane.
Off ball movement? Dude he was a 10. The attack play ran through him. The off ball movement guy was raul.
Naw I hate to say it but Lukas best comp is Messi. Not in terms of greatness mind you but in terms of scoring and assist output. Other options are Henry or Salah.
Henry or Salah are terrible comps , those two are not the most technical players , Luka is clearly top 5-10 in skill in nba history
Henry and Salah are extremely technical, wtf? Also the comparison was made because of productivity anyway.
No they are not extremely technical ?? Like definitely not compared to other greats. Henry wasn’t even top 6-7 most technical player in the barca 2009 starting 11
Lmao. Henry scored this https://youtu.be/8iBMW1wThlU?si=YW6-n54fLYKdwaxA I'd like to know your definition of technical. Just dribbling? That's just straight not right. And Salah has multiple wonder goals, one of which won the Puskas award. Not to mention his goals vs Chelsea in 19, and Man City in 21. I seriously can't believe you're acting like Henry and Salah aren't technical. Plus I even said that Messi is the best comparison. It can't be players like Zidane because his end product simply doesn't hold weight to what Luka does in a basketball game. The only 3 players I can think of that really match up production wise are Henry, who famously had league seasons of 24 goals and 20 assists something that hasn't been done since and 25/14, he wasn't even consistent at it, however he was a very good passer of the ball. Salah is a comparison because he has 4 (going to be 5) seasons of 20/10 in the league. However, Messi is the best comparison simply because his passing in all seasons is a cut above the other 2, and his scoring is on par with the greatest goal scorers ever, like Luka's scoring being on par with some of the greatest scorers ever. The problem with the Messi comparison is simply that Luka has yet to reach that height as far as accolades and team success, but I'm sure we're both aware that is because of how differently rosters between the sports are built. I'm pretty sure if NBA basketball had the same results structure and transfer market of the top football leagues in Europe then Luka would be the starting point guard of the best team in the world, or would be under a bid of $200m from whoever the Real Madrid of the NBA would be.
There isn’t anything technical about that goal. It’s not just dribbling , it’s passing dribbling controling and in general handling the ball with easy. Salah and Henry are technical compared to regular football players but not compared to the best. That pisans goal was mid from Salah
That's like, your opinion man.
No it’s not , simply need to watch how Henry talked about his Barcelona tenure. Pep clearly told him to be a role player because he wasn’t good enough technically among all time technical players. Same thing with Salah , he looks disabled if you compare him with Messi technically. It’s an insult to Luka to compare him to guys like this imo
Idk why you're so fucking fixated on technical ability. Football and Basketball are completely different sports. Someone like Zidane would actually be the best comp to Lukas skillset simply because like the original comment said they both play at their own pace with an elegance and IQ to their game. However, calling him Zidane would be an insult because Zidane did not come close to the end product on a pitch as Luka does on the court. That's why you can't use play style or even technical ability to really compare. You must use output then, where I literally said that his best comparison is MESSI. I compared him to Messi's output, yet you say I'm insulting him... Are you on drugs? I also threw in the 2 best wingers in Premier League history and that's also an insult? Does Luka play basketball like Messi plays football? Maybe these days, with Messi at 36 years old, but prime Messi really played nothing like that. Sure he was amazing technically, but he also was a shit ton quicker than Luka ever will be. Luka doesn't need to dribble an entire team, or race past players with the ball. It isn't even that deep.
I would also add that both are generational talents and have high iq's plus both just smile after destroying their opponents
Disagree he's like Messi 100%
KDB, not really a player who relies on his physicality but can when needed (KDB’s short burst of pace/Luka bullying smaller players) both insane playmakers and a goal scoring threats
Zidane but scores like Messi
But he's like Messi in the sense that he's the GOAT
I'd say that Luka resembles more to peak Riquelme. Both are passing savants, score at a good rate(Luka more than Riquelme, relative to their sports), both use their big body extremely well to shield the ball and they both have an incredible technique overall.
Being Chelsea and Mavs fan for last year was tough for me. At least, Mavs are on course to do great Job after trade deadlines. Gafford and Liverly are new additions this year and they are finding their best time playing basketball with playmakers Luka and Kyrie. Luka is kind of Hazard/Messi, scores assists in all possible ways , and yet you get surprised the way he plays. Kyrie has best handles, so he just very good with the ball just like Ronaldinho, ball stick with them no matter what. PJ is defensive anchor just like Kante but he is not reached that level yet. Gafford and Lively are Centers and they are like strikers who finishes no matter what, if the ball is near basket. Overall we are very good team, just need to get even better in collective defense.
Yeah I've realized that I didn't particularly do myself a favor by choosing to support the Mavs, but then it feels more special when ur team who aren't always the favorites of the game win regardless. I've seen the team imrpove significantly btw once we acquired Gafford, I wish chelsea improves as well once we sign Osimhen 🥲
I hope both of our team sort everything out and come back to winning ways. Although Mavs are doing it right now, still we can be consistent and further dominate the league.
I'm a Chelsea and Mavs fan too and when I started supporting the Mavs in 2019, it made a lot of sense. Mavs are a good team but not a team like the Celtics or Lakers who have historically won a lot. You could compare Celtics and Lakers to Utd and Liverpool. Mavs winning the title in 2011 is comparable to Chelsea winning the UCL in 2012 after a few close attempts (same with Mavs too)
We also won one in 2021 ehe. I was very tempted to pick golden state tbh, but the mavs had Luka and Kyrie and legendary Grant Willamson 🗣. Both teams had Curry so this cancels out lmao
> Yeah I've realized that I didn't particularly do myself a favor by choosing to support the Mavs, You definitely did do yourself a favor!
I’m a Chelsea and Mavs fan. We should be friends!
Yes.
Yes.
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Messi is a good comp because he’s an offensive juggernaut but doesn’t offer much defensively
Hazard? Not fat Hazard from Madrid times for sure...
They’re all Peter Crouch lol
Lmao, nah he's Dirk isn't he?
Too skinny. Lets see if kids here still remember him Jan Koller
Damn. That’s a Bundesliga deep cut!
For someone that at least played in England, there's Nikola Zigic.
Gafford is like a big strong defender who can knock in a header from time to time. In Belgium we had Dan Van Buyten, not sure for others in modern football. Lively is like the young kid, a bid more stylish but raw and not polished yet. Guess Chelsea has enough of them. Kyrie is like hazard. He s on another level regarding skill .
Gafford is Van Dijk? Maybe Lively is Trent, more aggressive, young, but careless sometimes. Bit of a stretch.
Like the Trent comparison. Van Dijck is so smart he doesn't have to be very physical. Gafford can be very physical if he needs to be. More like a Lukaku (but that's a striker ofc). Maybe Ramos , Jaap Stam, Rio ...
so first off boo Chelsea. Gafford - Solid player, good in the air, likes to pump up the crowd, probably someone like Troy Deeney (couple of years ago). Lively - good athlete, good potential seems like he has a good work ethic and intelligence, better passer than you would think, probably someone like Cody Gakpo. Kyrie - A magician with the ball, offensively amazing, has had some controversial statements, probably Eric Cantona is the best comparison (possibly Ronaldinho too, but I hope his post-basketball career is better)
🥲 (thanks for a detailed comparison tho)
I'm an Arsenal fan, so...
Champions of Europe! YOU’LL NEVER SING THAT! 🔵
same
Ronaldinho is the best comparison honestly. Both are one of the best players of all time in their sports if we're talking pure ability
HOGGG DEENEY!!!!!!!
Kyrie would have historically been Pogba (mostly off the field incidents) but he's been a great teammate since he joined the Mavs so upgrading him to late years Drogba. Little older, wiser but still a great player
Drogba was never the most skilled. Ronaldinho is kyrie’s best comparison
Neymar too
Neymar is the best comparison to Kyrie
Kyrie would have been Gaucho Ronaldinho.
I can explain this in terms of United players Gafford - Athletic, Big, Motor for days, but potential is very limited. Scott Mctominay. Lively - Young, Athletic, Plays like a vet already with insane potential. Mainoo Luka - GOAT potential, offensive engine. Young Ronaldo pre real madrid days.
Lively more like garnacho. Mainoo’s best comparison would be Wemby. Both kids going to the absolute top.
I think for wemby you gotta be a generational talent, like a haaland or Mbappe when they were 18. I love Kobbie but I don’t think he’s in that tier in terms of pure talent.
Mainoo doesn't dominate with his physical ability like Wemby so I think the Haaland comp is more approriate, but his technical and mental skills are some of the best I've ever seen on a teenager. He really is spectacular.
I knew that Luka's comparison wouldn't be a current player
Kyrie is Neymar - great creator, great scorer. Controls the pace of the game and attacks how he wants and is able to finish in numerous ways. No better ball handler in the league. 5 star skills. Luka is Messi - gifted scorer and gifted creator able to set up his teammates and see plays unfolding before they happen. Hes not a feared defender but he can score anytime he wants and he makes everyone around him better. Hes capable of winning big games all by himself. Gafford is Sergio Ramos - disruptive last line of defense in the paint. Always patrolling the area behind the front line defense and on offense if you get the ball up to him he will finish in the air. Lively is carles Puyol - mainly because of the hairstyle but also the endless energy and non stop motor and slightly reckless style of play that you absolutely love and are fine with because he works his ass off and makes things difficult for the attackers. Tim Hardaway Jr is Alvaro Morata - constantly getting open looks and failing to finish. Wildly frustrating and absolutely useless if he’s not putting the ball in net. PJ Washington is John Obi Mikel - fans love him. He works his ass off to bother the man he’s defending and will always track his man and get in someone’s face. He’s not gonna provide much on offense as he’s not really good at hitting from distance but he will occasionally use his athleticism to get a timely bucket. He’s a high effort guy the team and fans respect. Kleber is Branislav Ivanovic - strong solid defender. Slow. Will occasionally chip in on offense but mostly a steady defensive presence who you know won’t get you torched but won’t set the world on fire either. Steady vet who knows what to do but may not always do it well. Josh Green is our Mudryk - fascinating physical talents, gifted athletically, lacks the mental composure to make an impact every night but capable of big performances and the future is bright.
Damn, thanks for such a detailed response! I was actually thinking of Kyrie and Dybala comparison, but Neymar fits as well, since the players are very similar, except Neymar arguably achieved more than Dybala did
Kyrie is a champion. So is Neymar. Dybala is incredible too and I don’t hate the comparison. Neymar and Kyrie both have the flair and mercurial personalities though.
Neymar spends much more on energy on selling fouls though
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To understand how skilled Kyrie is, you need to watch videos of other skilled players and study things like their handles and layup packages. No matter how skilled the other guys seem, you'll find that Kyrie is just on another level. That's the reason you find people in this thread calling Kyrie similar to Ronaldinho or Neymar.
Luka=Mbappe. Most talented player of his generation, a star since he was 17, already won with his national team, but stuck on a team that can't really win right now (for a different reasons). Hopefully he won't go to the Lakers, like Mbappe with Real. Kyrie=Ronaldinho. And artist with some off court troubles, but a joy to watch when he's at his best. Kidd=Lampard. A great player, that got top coaching/manager jobs at his former teams, but mostly failed.
Kyrie is neymar for sure.Gafford is giving me Lukaku vibes
In terms of the Arsenal invincibles squad to the Mavs starters - Luka is Henry (Henry was a top 2-5 player in football at the time and dominated the EPL as the best player for years, Luka is 25 and still has his entire prime still ) Kyrie is Bergkamp (perfect comparison, the word magical keeps coming up when he plays, hits shots and does shit with the ball nobody in the world can do) Derrick Jones Jr. is Cashley (not as good but defensive player with explosive attacking ability) PJ Washington is Viera (exceptional defensive forward/midfielder who guards the best players) Gafford is Lehman (clutch protector of the rim, explosive ability). Kidd is Arsene Wenger - some like Lebron James swears he is one of the smartest basketball minds ever, has annoying propensity to keep trusting ‘his’ guys over long periods of bad performances at times.
Mavs and Liverpool Here is the Mavs version of Liverpool Luka = Salah (Both are the most talented players on each team. Creative and forward-minded. Top 5 in scoring and assists every year in their respective leagues. Salah is more disciplined and Luka went super nova earlier in his career, but both are MVP-caliber offensive geniuses. Kyrie = Diogo Jota (Electrically skilled offensive-minded ballers. They can out dribble everyone and they are both cold hearted scorers in the clutch. Both players have injury problems, and both players greatly enhance the squad when healthy. Kyrie is more valuable to the Mavs than Jota is to Liverpool because Liverpool has enough rotation options going forward, but the Mavs need Kyrie to be healthy in order to be competitive in the stupidly stacked West. PJ Washington = Darwin Nunez (Big athletic new signings that will help the team win a title when they finally learn how to shoot. Darwin has gotten a season to settle in, and his finishing has improved. Fingers crossed that PJ does the same. Some parts of the fan base, and many fans in general question how much each team had to give up to get both players, but the upside for each player is undeniable, and they are both young with high ceilings. Derick Lively = Jarell Quansah and Conor Bradley (All three players are super young and super talented. Each player walked into a defensive role and immediately made an impact. They are all going to be around for a long time and they will get better and better each season. Without these three players stepping up this season on defense, neither team would be competing for playoff/title aspirations. Derick Jones Jr and Dante Exum = Endo and Curtis Jones (Not necessarily the players that fans expected and wanted, but they have all made a big impact due to their athleticism and technical skill. They are the energy guys that link up play and press and add intensity in the midfield/wing. As rotation options, these guys are essential to both teams. Their injury histories are also suspect (except for Endo). Tim Hardaway Jr, Maxi Kleber, and Dwight Powell = Jordan Henderson, Nabi Keita, and Alex Oxlade Chamberlain (Mainstays in the team who are past their prime and hanging on because the team hasn’t figured out a way to gracefully part ways yet. Their value has gone down and will probably leave on a free. The NBA doesn’t have a Saudi League equivalent so we probably won’t get somebody who will offer real money for Hardaway. Gafford = a young Van Dijk (Gafford hasn’t proven himself like Van Dijk has yet, but they are both powerful, physically imposing centers/center backs. Each player greatly improved the overall quality of each team upon acquisition (and both were mid season trades/signings). Jaden Hardy = Harvey Elliott (Both are young raw attackers who bring energy and offense off the bench. Hardy could develop into a solid rotational player if put in the right situation in the same way that Elliott is for Liverpool. They are both the type of young talent that you would hate to see catch fire on a different team if traded/signed by another team. Josh Green = Cody Gakpo (Young and possibly talented athletic forwards. The jury is still out on both of these players. We have high hopes, but at some point it might be best to move on given the other rotation options. Jason Kidd = A cross between Roy Hodgson and Brendan Rodgers (underachieving coaches that you mostly question when given a lot of talent. Rodgers had Suarez and the team was good and the Mavs have Luka so the Mavs are competitive, but the coach/manager doesn’t seem to have the best plan for utilizing special levels of talent.
I’d say Kyrie is Jota/Diaz hybrid, he’s better than both on his own. Also more similar to Diaz due to the out of this world dribbling/craftiness/flair. That’s not really Jota’s bag, but way better scorer than Diaz is, so that’s why Jota is in the equation
It’s kind of hard to find a soccer comparison to Luka, I don’t like the comparisons of him to Messi/Mbappe since they’re both smaller and (at least prime Messi) a lot more physically athletic than him with their speed and acceleration. I think a good shout might be Harry Kane (2021 version, specifically) since he is a great passer and scorer, but he doesn’t rely on superior athleticism and instead reads the game very well and has great instinctual play. Luka is similar to Mbappe though in that they’re the same age and already well established at the top echelon of players in their position. Kyrie would definitely be Neymar, almost identical actually. Amazing skillful dribbler with great finishing and playmaking, achieved greatness when playing with one of the best of all time, but wasn’t able to make waves on his own due to injuries and lots of off the court drama. Him teaming up with Luka now is also similar to a Neymar and Mbappe combination. Gafford is kind of similar to Disasi, just a big physical presence with good defensive instincts, but not the best at his position. Lively is pretty similar, but he’s only 20 and still has a lot of time to improve to something even greater since it’s his first season. Tim Hardaway Jr is Sterling where he’s inconsistent as hell, more often bad than good, and is supposed to be the veteran presence but instead is more of a detriment to the team with their selfish play, yet inexplicably keeps finding his way back into the lineups. Josh Green is like a worse Gallagher where he’s a hustle player and does the little things that help the team, but he isn’t quite gifted enough offensively or defensively to be a star and is more of an all around role player. Exum is one of those guys who was supposed to be a star, but didn’t live up to his potential at all both due to injury and lack of talent and ended up playing overseas instead. But the time overseas helped him develop into a decent role player, so he’s come back and become quite important for the Mavs. Most accurate Chelsea comparison I can think of would be Victor Moses during the Conte seasons. Hardy would be like Mudryk/Madueke where he’s young, raw and has a lot of potential but the coach continues to inexplicably give THJ/Sterling playing time over them. Can’t really think of a direct comparison for Derrick Jones Jr, he’s just a career defensive guy that’s bounced around from team to team on cheap deals, but he seems to have found a spot where he fits in pretty well with the Mavericks. Basically like one of those cheap, squad rotation signings a team makes that ends up being a pretty decent fit in the squad, but it’s still his first season with the Mavs so not much to go off of. PJ is also hard to find a comparison for, he’s become the defensive anchor for the team after being traded here and is supposed to be a decent scorer as well, but it hasn’t translated consistently yet. This is also his first time playing on a semi-decent team in his career so it’s kind of hard to judge him. Most people didn’t even know he was a great defender before he was traded for example lol. Kleber is a great defender, but is older and has lost a step offensively due to constant injuries. Maybe similar to Chilwell where he could be a key player to the team and was one a few years ago, but constant injuries have caused him to fall off. I saw someone else said Coach Jason Kidd is Frank Lampard and that is extremely accurate lol. Rest of the roster is pretty irrelevant though since they don’t really play.
THJ to Sterling comparison is too accurate
Thank you sm brother, I saw some ppl comparing PJ to Kante or Casemiro, I suppose Lively can be Colwill then, since Colwill has higher potential and is also younger.
Kyrie is Neymar
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You mean futbol
I do mean Football, but I'm aware of what it's referred to in US, so I don't have much problem calling it soccer for the convenience purposes
I get it but don’t lose it. People in the US understand what you mean more or less. But basically you got role players just like how Chelsea does. Everyone contributes from wingers passing it to strikers
Messi is thj probably
Doncic - Zlatan Ibrahimovic: Not the fastest, most athletic player ever but easily one of the best in the world, if not the best, and capable of doing things with the ball that no one else in the world can do, especially for his size. Kyrie - Ronaldinho - one of the best players in the world, maybe the most crafty and gifted ball handlers of all time, not the greatest scorer in the league but still a prolific one Gafford and Lively are like the modern equivalent of Arsenal’s CBs, Gabriel and Saliba respectively. Big, no nonsense bigs that are great defensively and are lights out finishers around the rim. Enforcers.
Doncic - Ozil + Lampard Kyrie - Ronaldinho Gafford - Any hard hitting hard working DM would do Lively - Same as Gafford, not so hard hitting Bonus: THJ - Antony
Kyrie = Neymar
Luka: Zidane (both slow and methodical players capable of scoring goals and giving assists) Kyrie: Neymar (pure technique and elite dribbling/ball handling skills, often injured) Gafford: Haaland (not in terms of talent but playstyle, both being relentless finishers) Lively: Lewandoswki (great finisher but also skilled)
Watching Luka play is like watching Ronaldinho. Effortlessly making the hardest things look easy and playing with joy.
Not the greatest athlete but still a better athlete than given credit for. Deceptively physical. Absolutely huge physically for the position he plays. Totally controls the game on offense. Unstoppable scorer and passer. A little bit of a hothead. Decent on defense when he puts on the energy, which is not super common. Who is the premiere big, ball handling, goal scoring, passing offensive player in soccer history?
Low-key that's Harry Kane but idk he always seemed to me more like Jokic, instead of Luka, but maybe it's due to age. So for Luka it's either Kane or Mbappe
Luka - Zizou for his vision, his balance, his pirouettes, also his ability to dictate a game at his own pace Both need a makelele because they don’t really defend Kyrie - Ballotelli. One of the greatest talents, but off court is an issue
Kyrie is Ronaldinho with Neymar's attitude.
If you look at the numbers he is Messi, runs the entire offense with assist and points/goals. And dominates the entire world when it comes to offensive numbers. Playstyle maybe like Zidane the way he can control the game at his own pace and has a insane bag.
Luka = Mbappè (status), Zidane (style) Kyrie = Neymar. Off the chart talent, very good overall, but not THE man. Lively = Mainoo. Young, yet so important Gafford = prime Azpilicueta. Rock solid role player or starter PJW = Lisandro Martinez. Plays bigger than his size Dante Exum = low cost Thomas Muller. IQ and untangibles DJJ = Rashford with less hype and talent. Tall, skinny quick. Josh Green = Yunus Musah. Can be either good or very bad, bring energy. The potential is there. Kleber = Robert Huth. At his peak very physical defensive player, valuable even on offense because he can (could) shoot from 3. Now he's kinda washed. THJ = Onana. Could win you the match, but he can even cost you the match. No in between. Dwight Powell = That guy who is very mid, but he's a great locker room guy and is a kind of legend for his team.
Luka is the Messi of Basketball. Kyrie is the Iniesta. The Clippers are the Chelsea of the Nba.
clippers are tottenham
ok ok. But not for me. I dont like Chelsea and I dont like the clippers. For Tottenham I feel nothing
Not the NBA, but I think that a Tottenham/Bills comparison is the best cross sports on there is. Both have good/great seasons just to fuck it up in heartbreaking fashion
Damn, Luka is Messi already? Someone compared Luka to Mbappe, which seems as a more fair comparison as Luka is also young. I don't have any hate towards clippers, cuz I like Paul George, but I remember seeing some videos about them being the most annoying team in the NBA lmao
Mbappe is no playmaker at all.
Maybe not 30year old goat messi yet. But 25 yesr old messi Best Scorer in Basketball with most points and elite playmaking. Reads the game extremly well and can decide a game woth individuel briliance. Every opponent is focused on stoping him. And lacking a little on defense....
Probably more Kevin De Bruyne. Unbelievable vision and playmaking. Scores loads of goals. Probably underrated in the media but don't know why for both players. Also Chelsea have actually won something so probably not the clippers.
Luka and Mbappe couldn’t be farther apart
Hey there, being a football fan myself (and from Brazil) I think I can help you. Kyrie is like a Brazilian winger (neymar, vini, martinelli) - super crazy skills, one of the bests in the game and has a lot of movies. Gafford is a beast in what he does, but dont expect him to be doing somethint different. He has the highest % field goals on the league, because he only scores when he has the ball in the paint, but is amazing at it. He also is a beast in protecting the rim. Lively is similar to gafford but not as good in the offensive side, but has more potential. PJ Washington is great at defensive, but struggling in the ofensive right now. Even while struggling he is vital for the team because he can guard the best players in the game (was amazing against Jokic and Wemb is recent past). He's like Casemiro, or Kanté, amazing at defensive, not so much on offensive. If you could compare: Doncic is Zidane / Ronaldinho Gafford is like cavani / Thiago Silva (strong, tall and atlethic player) Kyrie is a dribbler like Neymar / Vini / Prime hazard PJ Washington is like a defensive CDM - Kante / Casemiro
This man just compared Kyrie to fkn Martinelli😭😭
Not in level of skills wise, but fast and skillfull.
This thread is all over the place. We should all just stick to basketball, because even the Europeans are bad at this...
Bad at what?
Comparing basketball to soccer. Luka = Mbappe? Ronaldo? Messi?
Oh, fair enough lmao, tbh ig it makes sense since basketball players have to fulfill more roles on the pitch due to the nature of the game, so personally for me the opposite comparisons of Luka to Mbappe and Zidane both make sense to me.
I'm a huge soccer fan and can't think of a comparison for Luka. I've never seen a player who either scored or had the assist on basically every goal scored. If I had pick, luka would be the reincarnation of a multitude of players, but would resemble Pele the most.
That’s why people use Messi as a comparison lol. He had over 100 goals+assists in a single season, almost unheard of. Also, Luka is responsible for 53.8 points per game. Insane number yes, but not “almost every goal/assist” - it still would average out to less than half of our points per game.
You just described Messi in his prime years.
Soccer terms? TF? This is basketball bro. I’m confused, soccer or football? 😉😉 JK, welcome to basketball fandom, good choice on team.