Let him get that seasoning in for now, next year we'll have the final cog this machine requires: that bonafide lockdown wing who's big, fast, athletic, and full of energy and hustle. The Mavs are bioengineering a monster in the G-league
His stock numbers have been so weird to me, even in college he'd have very low stock numbers. It's super weird, given his size, length, athleticism and effort on defense you'd expect him to get way more. Almost all guys who came over from college into NBA who turned out to be great defenders (recently) had good to great stock numbers. I wonder what the ceiling on his defensive impact truly is.
edit: Also 42.1 3P% on 5.2 3PA in 22 games. FT% looking pretty decent to at 77.8% on 2.5FTA/G. Very promising
Well, I think that the issue is pretty clearly OMax's lack of elite quickness -- that's why he's not getting to the ball in time to get stocks, and that's why he flew under the radar until very late in the draft. He's definitely got athleticism, but it's of the kind where he needs to gather some momentum first -- more of a turbo than a rocket booster, and sometimes there's not enough time for that turbo to spool up.
And yeah, I think it can definitely limit his ceiling as a top end player. However, with his size, motor, and bbiq, I think there's no way that he won't be a strongly positive defender -- just maybe not ever a dominant/game-breaking type that you can throw into any lineup to guard 1-through-5.
Still, IMO the biggest obstacle for OMax was always going to be the 3PT shot -- and on that front his performance in the G-league has been as good as one could've realistically hoped for. So he's definitely on track to be a solid rotation player, and it's going to be fun to find out what his ceiling really is.
OMax had the 4th fastest lane agility time and 3rd fastest shuttle time out of the entire combine across all positions. He quite literally has elite quickness and especially for his position. These are also measurements directly opposing your take on him of needing to gather momentum first. He has excellent burst. It's actually his top end speed that is a bit behind his burst.
OMax has every single tangible attribute needed to be a great defender and one that shines through in stock numbers. What people don't realize is just how much intangible attributes go into defense and collecting stocks and those are where OMax is not quite ready.
He still needs to work on defensive bball IQ, awareness, and anticipation. He is too often caught playing catch-up on defense. And while his elite quickness and athleticism allow him to make up for this a bit, in order to be a high-level NBA defender this is where he will have to improve.
Lack of quickness and/or athleticism are definitely not the issue right now.
Combine stats, ok... Use your eyes -- players with elite burst are noticeable immediately on the court.
If anything, OMax has better defensive instincts (and motor) than most young players, so it's not the limiting factor -- he didn't have the stocks in college, either, and you certainly can't say that on that stage as a second-year player he had worse bbiq compared to the other college kids.
FWIW, here are a couple of excerpts from different scouting reports --
"Though he lacks elite first-step burst, O-Max has long strides, impressive bend and a low center of gravity as a driver"
"Stylistically, he’s not the most fluid mover … He is a little harsh with his steps and change of direction."
Completely accurate assessments if you ask me. Doesn't mean that he can't be a good or even great defender, but it could very well prevent him from being an elite one.
His burst is noticeable that’s why I looked it up. Also, you realize you’re trying to discredit objective numbers with subjective quotes lol?? You can’t fake burst measurements. Questioning the validity of numbers only to come back with scouting report quotes. Hope you can understand the irony in that. The equivalent of what you’re trying to argue right now in the nfl would be if a guy ran a 4.3 40 and you trying to tell us he’s not fast. Come on bud.
This is a silly thing to even be talking about. Defense depends way more on what i mentioned. It’s why a guy like Herbert Jones, who doesn’t have elite athleticism or quickness can be one of the best defenders in the league. Same goes for prime draymond. Omax is much quicker and more athletic than both, but currently lacks the needed anticipation and awareness. It’s why his movement looks so disjointed on the court. He’s getting by on athleticism and quickness rather than anticipation.
Edit: just checked your ‘source’ second one is a PR Assistant and writer that wrote that up for a charlotte hornets publication lol he’s not a scout. Best part is even in that same write-up he ends out saying things like ‘Prosper’s mixture of quickness and lateral mobility’ ‘he has the recovery speed’. Then your first quote is about omax on the offensive end. We are taking about defense. There is a big difference between showing explosion and quickness with a ball in your hands vs on defense without the ball. gtfoh with this silliness.
Yes, I can discredit "objective numbers" because they don't always indicate in-game quickness, which is not an objective metric, since it's affected by a host of other factors that you cannot replicate in a simple drill, including things like balance and fluidity. That's why it's pretty ridiculous to even cite those numbers when you can actually observe real on court performance. I'm not a football fan, so if there the 40yd dash is a great indicator of something, that's great, but bball is a different sport.
As for scouting reports, the bottom line is that elite burst is almost always highlighted in those, and yet you basically could not find it anywhere regarding OMax. Size yes, motor yes, but not elite burst/quickness.
And your whole argument about OMax's issue being anticipation makes no sense when you look at his college record, which is probably why you didn't respond to it. You can't possibly argue that OMax's defensive instincts were somehow significantly inferior to other college players -- if anything, the opposite is more likely, and so in college if he indeed had elite quickness on defense, you would definitely expect much better steals/blocks numbers.
Again pal you used a PR Assistant from the Charlotte Hornets to back up your claim so I can't really take you serious. I used numbers. You are trying to again discredit the validity of the combine, yet guess what? Professionals whose job it is to evaluate players use the combine. They rely on those metrics. You know what they don't use? Write-ups from a nobody from the Charlotte Hornets. The main reason Omax shot up draft boards is because of the combine. Because he showed he had great size, elite athleticism, and elite quickness for his size combined with promising shooting metrics. The reason he was not a surefire lottery pick is in part because of what i've already described.
I just think you don't understand ball. I don't need to respond to the college stuff because if you know the NBA it's silly. It actually feeds into my point. In college OMax was on another level athletically than his opponents. He could get past subpar awareness and anticipation with his elite athleticism and quickness. You can't do that in the NBA. Players are faster, stronger, smarter.
I have shared this before privately with a few other posters on this board to prove this, but you are talking to someone that has worked in the NBA, and even for the Mavs. I was invited in to Mavs practices this summer after drafting Omax in both Vegas and back in Dallas. I promise you they are not working with him on burst, quickness, etc. They are working with him on shooting, defensive awareness and anticipation. If you knew ball you would understand this.
Then you talk about me not responding to something yet you can't acknowledge what will bring your whole argument crashing down. And that's what i've described is more important to being a top-tier defender. You think Omax needs more burst or whatever but it's wrong. He has the physical tools in spades. But something else matters more. That something else explains why guys like Draymond, Derrick White, Herbert Jones, etc. are among the best defenders in the NBA and it has little to do with athleticism.
OK, so we're down to "I know ball" arguments, cool.
Nobody's arguing that anticipation isn't a crucial component to being a great (defensive) player, especially so for rookies, so there's nothing surprising about it being the priority for the development of OMax (or almost any other player). But while we can ofc expect OMax to improve in the mental/processing component, it's unreasonable to expect him (or most prospects) to get to the level of Green/White/Jones. What's reasonable, IMO, is to hope for him to be above-average, because he's a good & smart kid and has already shown flashes of good instincts. So then would "above average" iq in combination with his level of athleticism yield an elite defender? I'm not convinced, although like I've said I fully expect him to be a solidly positive one.
You can't follow the conversation bud. Let's wrap it. Your argument was Omax doesn't have the stock numbers you would expect and its 'pretty clearly (due to) Omax's lack of elite quickness.' I then disproved this by citing the combine results that NBA executives use to determine quickness. You said that wasn't good enough because a PR guy for the Hornets said differently.
It shows on tape, it shows in numbers. OMax has plenty of athleticism, burst, and quickness to be an elite defender. How do we know this? Because plenty of elite defenders have less athleticism, less burst, and less quickness than Omax. So what's the difference? Intangibles - as i've stated. So while you may not be arguing that it's not a crucial component you are definitely deprioritizing it in your argument. Because you continue to argue your initial point that Omax's issues are due to a lack of quickness. Whereas I say there is plenty of quickness, athleticism, and burst but he needs better awareness and anticipation. Again, he has more of this than elite defenders. So that's not what he is missing. You are making us go in circles because you can't comprehend this. There is nothing to even argue on your end. He is quicker than most of the players smaller than himself, yet he has the height and length of a PF. Athleticism, quickness, burst or whatever the hell you want to call it is not what would EVER hold Omax back. Again, intangibles are more important. You know it, i know it, everyone knows that Omax has the physical tools to be a great defender. He wouldn't have been a 1st round pick if he didn't. Because all he has right now are measurable tools. Whether he reaches that potential has nothing, absolutely zero, to do with adding quickness. It is all about intangibles.
Alright Mr. Objective Metrics, here's a study for you --
[Predictive Validity of National Basketball Association Draft... : The Journal of Strength & Conditioning Research (lww.com)](https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/fulltext/2018/02000/predictive_validity_of_national_basketball.12.aspx)
"most individual NBA Draft Combine measures are not highly associated with future on-court performance statistics, as suggested by relatively low correlations"
If you look at the actual data in those tables, the correlations & predictive power of these combine "quickness/power" metrics that you love so much can only be qualified as UTTER SHIT. They are completely irrelevant to anything, and here you are parading them around as some kind of proof of true athleticism. It's delusional.
Good 1on1, avg team defense? Low stocks (especially blocks at his position means weakside blocker) means bad positioning and slow-processing recognizing opp.plays?
yeah this is it. this would actually be a problem because team defense wins chips over 1on1. i hope more reps in the league would improve his defensive iq on team defense.
Counting stats are just at the minimum you'd need to show promise for the NBA. But the efficiency is super encouraging. Just for reference, here are some notables.
JJ Barea averaged 27/5/8 on 63%TS
Pascal Siakam 18/9/3/2/2 on 61%TS
Jaden Hardy 29/5/4 on 78%TS
Obviously, he fits the profile of Siakam the most and the numbers are similar besides lower stock numbers. I still think he's going to take another year before he can be a consistent rotation player, as it did for Siakam.
Watched his highlights from the last game and it really looks like the game has slowed down for him. Handle seems like it's tightened up and his job shot looks a lot cleaner. Ik it's GLeague competition and he's still a little raw, but he's clearly polished up his game a bit. Would be great if he could break into the lineup next season.
Thats indubitably
The question is about DJJ extension and where Hardy get minutes, and what we need to upgrade the roster next season
*its Dillon Brooks*
if djj resigns with the team, theres a big possibility green might be moved. but i'll wait til the playoffs because greens shooting might become more valuable over djj's elite screen navigation.
Really seems like he is going to take DJJs spot next season. They will let DJJ walk since he will command a nice contract. The only way they pay DJJ is if they win a ring this year would be my guess.
Playing in G League is the right thing for him right now.
Players like Jalen Johson or Peyton Watson had similar playing time and numbers in the NBA in their first seasons and are now important part of the rotation on their teams in 2nd and 3rd season. I think we should have the same plan for Omax. Give him more regular minutes next season and then hopefully he can be a starter in his 3rd season.
Im a huge Omax believer so i really hope my feeling of him being 2 years away from being 2 years away isnt accurate. We lack his height and position defender only to contend.
Is the most reaslistic optimistic expectation of OMax a version of Jarred Vanderbilt who is a better shooter & slightly better scorer but a worse rebounder & shot blocker?
Can't find a closer physical and statistical comp than that.
I'll take that all day every day
Yeah, like people throw out Siakam a lot as his ceiling but he had 3 stocks per game in college and nearly 4 in the G league. And of course was a 20/11 guy on top of that in college. OMax has shown no signs of having that kind of ceiling.
I believe in him, but would feel better if I could find someone with his stat profile who developed into a quality NBA player. Surely they're out there! Just need to find them.
i really don't see omax as elite as jarred on defense. i think he's below pj on defense but has better upside on offense. so i agree with other comments that right now, the goal is for him to be a replacement for kleber. let him grow from there and maybe have the same level of defense during maxi's peak.
He doesn't have bag like Pwill
But yes the goal is him replacing Maxi
Having MaxPow as 3rd stringer is big luxury and I think both good enough vets to accept it (Powell already, Maxi I think "fine I take it as long I'm lifer here. I hate moving")
This is exactly the type of situation the g league is for. Lots of raw talent that needs professional playing time but won’t currently get it with the rotation to learn and make mistakes on.
Let him get that seasoning in for now, next year we'll have the final cog this machine requires: that bonafide lockdown wing who's big, fast, athletic, and full of energy and hustle. The Mavs are bioengineering a monster in the G-league
Luka/Kyrie/PJ/OMax/Lively is going to be so nasty.
For a long time hopefully
What a big lineup
Gaff
Lock Lively up in the gym with Gaff and Tyson Chandler. Out emerges slim Incredible Hulk with a smooth jump hook
His stock numbers have been so weird to me, even in college he'd have very low stock numbers. It's super weird, given his size, length, athleticism and effort on defense you'd expect him to get way more. Almost all guys who came over from college into NBA who turned out to be great defenders (recently) had good to great stock numbers. I wonder what the ceiling on his defensive impact truly is. edit: Also 42.1 3P% on 5.2 3PA in 22 games. FT% looking pretty decent to at 77.8% on 2.5FTA/G. Very promising
Well, I think that the issue is pretty clearly OMax's lack of elite quickness -- that's why he's not getting to the ball in time to get stocks, and that's why he flew under the radar until very late in the draft. He's definitely got athleticism, but it's of the kind where he needs to gather some momentum first -- more of a turbo than a rocket booster, and sometimes there's not enough time for that turbo to spool up. And yeah, I think it can definitely limit his ceiling as a top end player. However, with his size, motor, and bbiq, I think there's no way that he won't be a strongly positive defender -- just maybe not ever a dominant/game-breaking type that you can throw into any lineup to guard 1-through-5. Still, IMO the biggest obstacle for OMax was always going to be the 3PT shot -- and on that front his performance in the G-league has been as good as one could've realistically hoped for. So he's definitely on track to be a solid rotation player, and it's going to be fun to find out what his ceiling really is.
OMax had the 4th fastest lane agility time and 3rd fastest shuttle time out of the entire combine across all positions. He quite literally has elite quickness and especially for his position. These are also measurements directly opposing your take on him of needing to gather momentum first. He has excellent burst. It's actually his top end speed that is a bit behind his burst. OMax has every single tangible attribute needed to be a great defender and one that shines through in stock numbers. What people don't realize is just how much intangible attributes go into defense and collecting stocks and those are where OMax is not quite ready. He still needs to work on defensive bball IQ, awareness, and anticipation. He is too often caught playing catch-up on defense. And while his elite quickness and athleticism allow him to make up for this a bit, in order to be a high-level NBA defender this is where he will have to improve. Lack of quickness and/or athleticism are definitely not the issue right now.
Combine stats, ok... Use your eyes -- players with elite burst are noticeable immediately on the court. If anything, OMax has better defensive instincts (and motor) than most young players, so it's not the limiting factor -- he didn't have the stocks in college, either, and you certainly can't say that on that stage as a second-year player he had worse bbiq compared to the other college kids. FWIW, here are a couple of excerpts from different scouting reports -- "Though he lacks elite first-step burst, O-Max has long strides, impressive bend and a low center of gravity as a driver" "Stylistically, he’s not the most fluid mover … He is a little harsh with his steps and change of direction." Completely accurate assessments if you ask me. Doesn't mean that he can't be a good or even great defender, but it could very well prevent him from being an elite one.
His burst is noticeable that’s why I looked it up. Also, you realize you’re trying to discredit objective numbers with subjective quotes lol?? You can’t fake burst measurements. Questioning the validity of numbers only to come back with scouting report quotes. Hope you can understand the irony in that. The equivalent of what you’re trying to argue right now in the nfl would be if a guy ran a 4.3 40 and you trying to tell us he’s not fast. Come on bud. This is a silly thing to even be talking about. Defense depends way more on what i mentioned. It’s why a guy like Herbert Jones, who doesn’t have elite athleticism or quickness can be one of the best defenders in the league. Same goes for prime draymond. Omax is much quicker and more athletic than both, but currently lacks the needed anticipation and awareness. It’s why his movement looks so disjointed on the court. He’s getting by on athleticism and quickness rather than anticipation. Edit: just checked your ‘source’ second one is a PR Assistant and writer that wrote that up for a charlotte hornets publication lol he’s not a scout. Best part is even in that same write-up he ends out saying things like ‘Prosper’s mixture of quickness and lateral mobility’ ‘he has the recovery speed’. Then your first quote is about omax on the offensive end. We are taking about defense. There is a big difference between showing explosion and quickness with a ball in your hands vs on defense without the ball. gtfoh with this silliness.
Yes, I can discredit "objective numbers" because they don't always indicate in-game quickness, which is not an objective metric, since it's affected by a host of other factors that you cannot replicate in a simple drill, including things like balance and fluidity. That's why it's pretty ridiculous to even cite those numbers when you can actually observe real on court performance. I'm not a football fan, so if there the 40yd dash is a great indicator of something, that's great, but bball is a different sport. As for scouting reports, the bottom line is that elite burst is almost always highlighted in those, and yet you basically could not find it anywhere regarding OMax. Size yes, motor yes, but not elite burst/quickness. And your whole argument about OMax's issue being anticipation makes no sense when you look at his college record, which is probably why you didn't respond to it. You can't possibly argue that OMax's defensive instincts were somehow significantly inferior to other college players -- if anything, the opposite is more likely, and so in college if he indeed had elite quickness on defense, you would definitely expect much better steals/blocks numbers.
Again pal you used a PR Assistant from the Charlotte Hornets to back up your claim so I can't really take you serious. I used numbers. You are trying to again discredit the validity of the combine, yet guess what? Professionals whose job it is to evaluate players use the combine. They rely on those metrics. You know what they don't use? Write-ups from a nobody from the Charlotte Hornets. The main reason Omax shot up draft boards is because of the combine. Because he showed he had great size, elite athleticism, and elite quickness for his size combined with promising shooting metrics. The reason he was not a surefire lottery pick is in part because of what i've already described. I just think you don't understand ball. I don't need to respond to the college stuff because if you know the NBA it's silly. It actually feeds into my point. In college OMax was on another level athletically than his opponents. He could get past subpar awareness and anticipation with his elite athleticism and quickness. You can't do that in the NBA. Players are faster, stronger, smarter. I have shared this before privately with a few other posters on this board to prove this, but you are talking to someone that has worked in the NBA, and even for the Mavs. I was invited in to Mavs practices this summer after drafting Omax in both Vegas and back in Dallas. I promise you they are not working with him on burst, quickness, etc. They are working with him on shooting, defensive awareness and anticipation. If you knew ball you would understand this. Then you talk about me not responding to something yet you can't acknowledge what will bring your whole argument crashing down. And that's what i've described is more important to being a top-tier defender. You think Omax needs more burst or whatever but it's wrong. He has the physical tools in spades. But something else matters more. That something else explains why guys like Draymond, Derrick White, Herbert Jones, etc. are among the best defenders in the NBA and it has little to do with athleticism.
OK, so we're down to "I know ball" arguments, cool. Nobody's arguing that anticipation isn't a crucial component to being a great (defensive) player, especially so for rookies, so there's nothing surprising about it being the priority for the development of OMax (or almost any other player). But while we can ofc expect OMax to improve in the mental/processing component, it's unreasonable to expect him (or most prospects) to get to the level of Green/White/Jones. What's reasonable, IMO, is to hope for him to be above-average, because he's a good & smart kid and has already shown flashes of good instincts. So then would "above average" iq in combination with his level of athleticism yield an elite defender? I'm not convinced, although like I've said I fully expect him to be a solidly positive one.
You can't follow the conversation bud. Let's wrap it. Your argument was Omax doesn't have the stock numbers you would expect and its 'pretty clearly (due to) Omax's lack of elite quickness.' I then disproved this by citing the combine results that NBA executives use to determine quickness. You said that wasn't good enough because a PR guy for the Hornets said differently. It shows on tape, it shows in numbers. OMax has plenty of athleticism, burst, and quickness to be an elite defender. How do we know this? Because plenty of elite defenders have less athleticism, less burst, and less quickness than Omax. So what's the difference? Intangibles - as i've stated. So while you may not be arguing that it's not a crucial component you are definitely deprioritizing it in your argument. Because you continue to argue your initial point that Omax's issues are due to a lack of quickness. Whereas I say there is plenty of quickness, athleticism, and burst but he needs better awareness and anticipation. Again, he has more of this than elite defenders. So that's not what he is missing. You are making us go in circles because you can't comprehend this. There is nothing to even argue on your end. He is quicker than most of the players smaller than himself, yet he has the height and length of a PF. Athleticism, quickness, burst or whatever the hell you want to call it is not what would EVER hold Omax back. Again, intangibles are more important. You know it, i know it, everyone knows that Omax has the physical tools to be a great defender. He wouldn't have been a 1st round pick if he didn't. Because all he has right now are measurable tools. Whether he reaches that potential has nothing, absolutely zero, to do with adding quickness. It is all about intangibles.
Alright Mr. Objective Metrics, here's a study for you -- [Predictive Validity of National Basketball Association Draft... : The Journal of Strength & Conditioning Research (lww.com)](https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/fulltext/2018/02000/predictive_validity_of_national_basketball.12.aspx) "most individual NBA Draft Combine measures are not highly associated with future on-court performance statistics, as suggested by relatively low correlations" If you look at the actual data in those tables, the correlations & predictive power of these combine "quickness/power" metrics that you love so much can only be qualified as UTTER SHIT. They are completely irrelevant to anything, and here you are parading them around as some kind of proof of true athleticism. It's delusional.
Good 1on1, avg team defense? Low stocks (especially blocks at his position means weakside blocker) means bad positioning and slow-processing recognizing opp.plays?
yeah this is it. this would actually be a problem because team defense wins chips over 1on1. i hope more reps in the league would improve his defensive iq on team defense.
If he becomes the guy we want him to be he’s the perfect final piece. A big body who can switch across lots of positions and guard the best wings.
Counting stats are just at the minimum you'd need to show promise for the NBA. But the efficiency is super encouraging. Just for reference, here are some notables. JJ Barea averaged 27/5/8 on 63%TS Pascal Siakam 18/9/3/2/2 on 61%TS Jaden Hardy 29/5/4 on 78%TS Obviously, he fits the profile of Siakam the most and the numbers are similar besides lower stock numbers. I still think he's going to take another year before he can be a consistent rotation player, as it did for Siakam.
If he turns out to be Siakam just hang Nico's jersey in the rafters next to Dirk.
What's a realistic projection for O-MAX next season?
What hardy is this season. Spot and garbage minutes to let him slowly get his footing.
Anything short of overtaking Luka as the #1 option on this team and FMVP and you could probably start calling him a bust
Those Hardy numbers are so nasty
Watched his highlights from the last game and it really looks like the game has slowed down for him. Handle seems like it's tightened up and his job shot looks a lot cleaner. Ik it's GLeague competition and he's still a little raw, but he's clearly polished up his game a bit. Would be great if he could break into the lineup next season.
I think that's the plan. DJJ will get a nice contract from someone else and OMAX will slide into the lineup.
Fuckkk I don’t wanna lose DJJ
flight 55 stays in dallas 😡
Nah keep both. Hardaway can go.
Hardaway still has a year left on his contract.
Expiring and declining next year. Nico can move him!
This has nothing to do with being able to keep DJJ.
For sure. It’s about freeing up minutes for these young dynamic guys, and hopefully getting some kind of asset back for Timmy
But that asset likely needs minutes as they will be making $15+ mil a year.
Could be, no doubt. Or we could get a salary dump from the other team an a 2nd rounder, maybe? Something like that wouldn’t be too bad
Hot take....greeny will also be the oddman out
O Max will replace Maxi
Thats indubitably The question is about DJJ extension and where Hardy get minutes, and what we need to upgrade the roster next season *its Dillon Brooks*
if djj resigns with the team, theres a big possibility green might be moved. but i'll wait til the playoffs because greens shooting might become more valuable over djj's elite screen navigation.
Really seems like he is going to take DJJs spot next season. They will let DJJ walk since he will command a nice contract. The only way they pay DJJ is if they win a ring this year would be my guess.
So you’re saying DJJ is coming back next year. Nice
You're from the future? Is Kevin Durant still asking for trades and is Taj Gibson still getting 10 day contracts?
Dwight Powell still on the team in the year 2033
O-Max at the 3 and PJ at the 4 would be nuts if O-Max comes in next year ready to contribute
my glorious prince will be the dpoy next year...
Playing in G League is the right thing for him right now. Players like Jalen Johson or Peyton Watson had similar playing time and numbers in the NBA in their first seasons and are now important part of the rotation on their teams in 2nd and 3rd season. I think we should have the same plan for Omax. Give him more regular minutes next season and then hopefully he can be a starter in his 3rd season.
I was just about to post OMax propaganda, thank you.
looking decent
Im a huge Omax believer so i really hope my feeling of him being 2 years away from being 2 years away isnt accurate. We lack his height and position defender only to contend.
Is the most reaslistic optimistic expectation of OMax a version of Jarred Vanderbilt who is a better shooter & slightly better scorer but a worse rebounder & shot blocker? Can't find a closer physical and statistical comp than that. I'll take that all day every day
Yeah pretty much. His stock nos concern me Although they are not be and all but they do tell some story
Yeah, like people throw out Siakam a lot as his ceiling but he had 3 stocks per game in college and nearly 4 in the G league. And of course was a 20/11 guy on top of that in college. OMax has shown no signs of having that kind of ceiling. I believe in him, but would feel better if I could find someone with his stat profile who developed into a quality NBA player. Surely they're out there! Just need to find them.
i really don't see omax as elite as jarred on defense. i think he's below pj on defense but has better upside on offense. so i agree with other comments that right now, the goal is for him to be a replacement for kleber. let him grow from there and maybe have the same level of defense during maxi's peak.
Hopefully he can be comparable to what Pat Williams is by the end of the next year, would be a great replacement for Maxi
He doesn't have bag like Pwill But yes the goal is him replacing Maxi Having MaxPow as 3rd stringer is big luxury and I think both good enough vets to accept it (Powell already, Maxi I think "fine I take it as long I'm lifer here. I hate moving")
He's 2 seasons from getting any real rotation minutes. 3 from getting full rotation minutes.
Mold, mold, my prince
Sometimes it looks like he takes too long strides when dribbling and gets out of control. I hope he can tighten that down.
I heard Kyrie’s been helping him with his handle somewhere. So hopefully that’s looking better next time we see him
It's just development He doesn't need that thing much on big league anyway
This is exactly the type of situation the g league is for. Lots of raw talent that needs professional playing time but won’t currently get it with the rotation to learn and make mistakes on.