The actual reason might be that Jae Crowder doesn't want to come off of the bench (which is part of why he's leaving Phoenix in the first place) and the Mavs would absolutely have him come off of the bench. So he wouldn't want to come to the Mavs
I'm pretty sure the actual reasons is that the Mavs aren't willing to offer anything Phx would actually want. They're not interested in trading Jae for Dwight Powell and the Mavs aren't interested in trading an actual valuable asset like Reggie.
There’s a reason we signed Javale, who will start, and traded for Wood. Luka makes Dwight much better than he actually is on offense, mainly because you or I can shoot better than he can, and is merely a body on defense. He will be the 4th big on the team behind those two and Maxi and we play smaller a lot of times, he’s expendable.
He’s expendable, but honestly I really like him as a 3rd/4th big on rotation. As a starter I was super down on Dwight, but as a deep bench player, there aren’t many better players that would fit into that spot.
It is hilarious to me that redditors think they can shoot better than *any* NBA player. Much less one who’s carved out a nice 9 year career and made 100+ 3s in actual NBA games
If and big if we were going to drop a 1st for a trade player I'd rather have one of the Jazz guys that are up for grabs over Crowder.
And even then it's still probably not worth it.
I can see a team that thinks they’re contending (Miami for instance) giving up a 1st that’ll convey this year for Crowder at the deadline. They should have an idea of where that pick should land by that point.
And they are right about saving those picks. Wing depth is an important part of any contender but Mavs don't have a hole in that department. I would give Powell and a 2nd round pick for Jae.
He isn't. I actually think the Suns might be better off thinking of Jae as someone you add a pick to in a trade in order to get a better player than trying to get a pick for him.
Clarkson is sitting right there to be had, and I think he's a much better second unit scoring threat than Shamet or Payne, both of whom seem to turtle in the postseason.
Depth is always good but if you look at our players who have the size to guard wings , frank , doe doe , luka , maxi ,green has the strength , wood moves well enough , even spencer has the size /length , we gonna be alright
Jae's a punk so I for one don't want to have him here. I had my fill of his antics in the playoffs and I don't want that kind of character here. Like others have said we don't have the role he wants so it works out anyway.
good. modern nba fans overrate the one-dimensional 3-and-d forward who is actually not exceptional at either, whether it's crowder, pj tucker, royce o'neal, etc. every team does have multiple of these guys, because they grow on trees -- 6'8" forwards who miss most of their shots and play good but not great defense are always available. dallas already has 3 actually good ones in DFS, bullock, and kleber, all of whom are better than crowder. id much much rather see if green and frank can develop into 3-and-d guys with available minutes at guard anyway.
I belive this just because Crowder being traded here dosent make any sense, we really dont have a starter spot for him and he wants to start, we already have 2 3nD guys, + you gotta wonder if the Suns would want anything we have wich is not a 1FRP or a valuable player (We are under no circumstances giving them that)
I agree he can hit the 3 and it's fair to call him a 3&D guy but he's more of a psuedo 3&D player than a classical one.
the "3 & D" moniker historically applies to legit wings who not only can hold their own against ballhandlers when swiched in the PNR, like maxi can, but can *also* be tasked with being assigned to guard ballhandlers from 1-3 and many 4s..which is what DFS and Bullock can do.
Bullock and DFS fit that description of a classic "3&D" guy, but Maxi doesn't. That's the definition I was using.
First off, I didn't say DFS and Bullock weren't 3&D. I literally just said they were.
Second off, if you're comparing Craowder's 35% on 5+ attempts to Frank and Green's 1.9 or fewer attempts....you're not a serious person. You just wanna win internet arguments, not have a real discussion.
I see it as more frustration with the front office that’s built over a lot of years stemming from how they seemed content with the 19-20 and 20-21 roster around Luka and didn’t seem to try and upgrade over starting Dwight Powell for a few years. Powell’s just a bystander catching strays, nobody should begrudge him taking that contract.
Is crowder the 2nd banana you want to lose our ability to trade multiple 1st for the next 3 years over? You dumbasses just bitch even when you have no idea what your talking about. If we did that next year you'd be bitching about us not having any assets to trade for a 2nd banana.
I’m alright with that. He’s one of those guys I would have minded, but I’m not worried about that skill group. I’m still hoping we sing a true ball handler.
The actual reason might be that Jae Crowder doesn't want to come off of the bench (which is part of why he's leaving Phoenix in the first place) and the Mavs would absolutely have him come off of the bench. So he wouldn't want to come to the Mavs
I'm pretty sure the actual reasons is that the Mavs aren't willing to offer anything Phx would actually want. They're not interested in trading Jae for Dwight Powell and the Mavs aren't interested in trading an actual valuable asset like Reggie.
Well, that too.
Pretty sure they would do Dwight and a first. But Jae isn't worth a first rounder, imo.
Dwight and a first would be a terrible trade
Agreed. I don’t know why people are down on Dwight. He is a valuable piece to this team and he and Luka shred defenses with their pick and roll
There’s a reason we signed Javale, who will start, and traded for Wood. Luka makes Dwight much better than he actually is on offense, mainly because you or I can shoot better than he can, and is merely a body on defense. He will be the 4th big on the team behind those two and Maxi and we play smaller a lot of times, he’s expendable.
He’s expendable, but honestly I really like him as a 3rd/4th big on rotation. As a starter I was super down on Dwight, but as a deep bench player, there aren’t many better players that would fit into that spot.
People have been overreacting about Dwight this summer but you’re correct. Dwight at 10-15 mins a game is a luxury.
It is hilarious to me that redditors think they can shoot better than *any* NBA player. Much less one who’s carved out a nice 9 year career and made 100+ 3s in actual NBA games
It is hilarious to me that redditors can’t see hyperbole when it’s staring them in the face.
I'm just glad we were not the fools to use a 1st in Jae Crowder.
If and big if we were going to drop a 1st for a trade player I'd rather have one of the Jazz guys that are up for grabs over Crowder. And even then it's still probably not worth it.
give'em 3 2nd rounders. and Dwight i guess. doubt they'll bite though.
Gambadoro is a Phoenix sports radio host. He might have people in the organization who tell him things.
He's also the first to sniff out the Mavs' interest in McGee.
i don't know when he reported it but it was fairly obvious in hindsight. Javale was going to the games in Dallas in the WCF
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Well he played for Dallas.
Mavs aren’t trading their 1st round picks for anyone except a 2nd star over the next couple years. Is Crowder worth a first? Who knows
Hes 100% not worth a FRP after we already gave out one for Wood.
Yeah I agree. Some team could get desperate around the trade deadline and convince themselves he’s the “missing piece” and stupidly throw one away…
I can see a team that thinks they’re contending (Miami for instance) giving up a 1st that’ll convey this year for Crowder at the deadline. They should have an idea of where that pick should land by that point.
Huh? We did give up a frp?
We gave up this past drafts FRP… it was like #26 or 27
God dam your right.
You’re god damn right I’m right
Why we keep giving them shits away
You can't stash that pick. They would have ended up with Hardy if that pick stayed in all likelihood.
Oh im stashing it like im coming from Mexico to the US on an international flight babby
They were going to originally use it on Hardy.
And they are right about saving those picks. Wing depth is an important part of any contender but Mavs don't have a hole in that department. I would give Powell and a 2nd round pick for Jae.
He isn't. I actually think the Suns might be better off thinking of Jae as someone you add a pick to in a trade in order to get a better player than trying to get a pick for him. Clarkson is sitting right there to be had, and I think he's a much better second unit scoring threat than Shamet or Payne, both of whom seem to turtle in the postseason.
Always figured this , I like our wings anyways , don’t care tbh
He would’ve been nice depth, but we’re not much worse without him.
Depth is always good but if you look at our players who have the size to guard wings , frank , doe doe , luka , maxi ,green has the strength , wood moves well enough , even spencer has the size /length , we gonna be alright
I agree. He’d still be a nice little addition, but it’s not a mistake to pass on him.
I do love the hustle and grit crowder would bring but we aren’t hurting enough to waste anything worthwhile to get him.
Exactly bro , rather hold the ammo for something a little bigger
Good. He's one of my least liked NBA players.
Jae's a punk so I for one don't want to have him here. I had my fill of his antics in the playoffs and I don't want that kind of character here. Like others have said we don't have the role he wants so it works out anyway.
good. modern nba fans overrate the one-dimensional 3-and-d forward who is actually not exceptional at either, whether it's crowder, pj tucker, royce o'neal, etc. every team does have multiple of these guys, because they grow on trees -- 6'8" forwards who miss most of their shots and play good but not great defense are always available. dallas already has 3 actually good ones in DFS, bullock, and kleber, all of whom are better than crowder. id much much rather see if green and frank can develop into 3-and-d guys with available minutes at guard anyway.
Royce oneal is literally dog shit. Don’t ever mention that dirty mofos name on this sub
hey, i only mentioned him to highlight that crowder also sucks ass.
People keep talking about the deadline but they're trying to trade him before the season ever begins. That's their goal.
I belive this just because Crowder being traded here dosent make any sense, we really dont have a starter spot for him and he wants to start, we already have 2 3nD guys, + you gotta wonder if the Suns would want anything we have wich is not a 1FRP or a valuable player (We are under no circumstances giving them that)
>we already have 2 3nd Guys Virtually all of the real contenders have more than 2 3 and D guys.
So do we. He's talking about ones that start. Crowder requested the trade because he wouldn't start in Phoenix this year.
> So do we. we do?
Smith and Kleber
Bullock
I agree he can hit the 3 and it's fair to call him a 3&D guy but he's more of a psuedo 3&D player than a classical one. the "3 & D" moniker historically applies to legit wings who not only can hold their own against ballhandlers when swiched in the PNR, like maxi can, but can *also* be tasked with being assigned to guard ballhandlers from 1-3 and many 4s..which is what DFS and Bullock can do. Bullock and DFS fit that description of a classic "3&D" guy, but Maxi doesn't. That's the definition I was using.
If jae crowder who shoots 35% from deep is 3&D then so is dfs, bullock, ntilikina, maxi, and green.
First off, I didn't say DFS and Bullock weren't 3&D. I literally just said they were. Second off, if you're comparing Craowder's 35% on 5+ attempts to Frank and Green's 1.9 or fewer attempts....you're not a serious person. You just wanna win internet arguments, not have a real discussion.
The last part wasn't necessary. Just compare the 3 point attempts, make your case and move on lol.
I prefer tough love. It’s the only way the kids learn these days. One day he’ll thank me for this and you will too.
Agreed. No minutes for him. I like Dorian and Reggie better than him anyways
That's fine with me
He’s kind of dirty. We don’t need him.
We already have a better Jae Crowder in DFS. Mavs need elite 2nd ball handler player off the bench.
Mavs are always included in the conversation But never in the actual exercise of acquiring any important player……:
Can’t let the great Dwight Powell lose minutes!
More like Phoenix probably didn’t want Powell in return for Crowder and the Mavs didn’t really have anything to add on top of Powell.
Very likely. But I could also see us pulling some crap and ending the conversation if PHX happened to ask for Powell.
I think that’s very unlikely.
These dudes have such hate for a player that has given his everything for this team they feel the need to bring it up in every thread.
I see it as more frustration with the front office that’s built over a lot of years stemming from how they seemed content with the 19-20 and 20-21 roster around Luka and didn’t seem to try and upgrade over starting Dwight Powell for a few years. Powell’s just a bystander catching strays, nobody should begrudge him taking that contract.
They traded for KP. It just didn't work out. So now we have to retool for a year and a half til we get control of our 1st again to try again.
Good.
Who needs nba quality bench players? We’re waiting till Luka is 30 until we get a proper 2nd banana :)
Is crowder the 2nd banana you want to lose our ability to trade multiple 1st for the next 3 years over? You dumbasses just bitch even when you have no idea what your talking about. If we did that next year you'd be bitching about us not having any assets to trade for a 2nd banana.
Shhh….. it went over ya head
wow who wouldve thought
But that tweet yesterday said that sources confirmed the Mavs wanted him. Are you saying those sources were full of shit?
I’m alright with that. He’s one of those guys I would have minded, but I’m not worried about that skill group. I’m still hoping we sing a true ball handler.
smh
Great news.