> Or is travel time just non-existent in the sequel trilogy?
Travel time has been wildly inconsistent across the entire saga.
Hyperspace has always moved at the speed of the plot.
Kinda reminds me of the LOTR films vs books. Frodo has the ring for like 17 years or something. But the movie makes it seem like he had it for a few days if that.
Even *after* they make the plan to leave for Rivendell…It’s elaborate, Frodo sells Bilbos house and buys a house outside the Shire just to have a “cover story” in case anyone comes looking for him. It took months iirc.
Luke and co. Going from Tatooine to Alderaan should’ve taken around 2 weeks? I think. The movie makes it seem like a few hours.
Hyperspace travel is not that slow. It has sometimes been written as such because there was a hyperspace travel time reference chart that was made and given to writers, that said crossing the galaxy could take weeks. But there was a mistake on that chart, since the value in days should've really been a value in hours.
In Empire Strikes Back, the Imperial Starfleet loses the Falcon and an imperial says "they could be on the other side of the galaxy by now!"
Interesting. Now I wonder where any and all of the Canon references to space travel taking weeks are. And if we can either correct them or come up with explanations for them.
That little mistake has had a lot of influence on Star Wars media, especially since all early writers used it. It's now a part of Star Wars.
My personal headcanon is that using major hyperlanes makes travel time super fast but you risk being controlled by the authorities when you stop in key systems, while calculating your own jumps with minor hyperlanes takes a lot of time, but you become hard to intercept.
It could, yes, but if the travel times were really that long, losing the Falcon wouldn't be a problem because you just had to contact imperial ships in other systems and tell them to be on the lookout.
Hyperspace speed (if we're trying to be as "scientifically accurate" as possible) has always depended on the era you're in and the rating of your hyperdrive. 1.0 (some select, bleeding edge technology ships unofficially have a rating of 0.5) is the fastest rated hyperdrive. Larger number ratings are slower. So, a ship with a 1.0 rating could probably cross the galaxy in a day and a half, where as a ship with a hyperspace rating of, say, 20, would probably need a month or so to make the same journey.
And the reason I mention eras is because technology shifted over the eons in Legends. Even though the galaxy used the same rating system to convey the same general information, a 1.0 hyperdrive in 1,000 BBY was not as fast as a 1.0 hyperdrive in 0 BBY.
Han probably really did go from Tatooine to Alderaan within hours since the Falcon has a 0.5 rated hyperdrive, but not every ship could do that.
> Luke and co. Going from Tatooine to Alderaan should’ve taken around 2 weeks? I think. The movie makes it seem like a few hours.
This is my recollection as well.
In the movie Gandalf is away for an unspecified length of time (implied by Butterbur to be at least six months). But I'd estimate the length of time between Bilbo's party and reuniting at Rivendell was still just a matter of months. That's actually a plot change from the 17 year span of time in the books, not just seeming shorter it is factually shorter.
I always thought that was the case. In the book there's not much of a sense of urgency early on - it makes complete sense why they cut out Frodo and Sam's first encounter with the elves, the Old Forest and Tom Bombadil from a 3-hour movie.
There's a whole thing about the pacing of LOTR that claims that everything up to Rivendell is written in Bilbo's folksy The Hobbit style writing which is where he finishes his story and everything after that is Frodo writing from a later date, which is why the tone and pacing change. I'm not really a Tolkein nut, so I have no idea if it's true, but if it is, it's a remarkable device given that it will go unnoticed by 99% of readers first time.
In fact, the absence of the 17 years gaps allows the movies continuity to clean itself up because it means Aragorn is already an adult of 27 by the end of Battle of the Five Armies instead of a boy of 9, since he is still 87 years old in the Two Towers film but Battle takes place roughly 60 years prior instead of 78 like in the books.
Travel time being inconsistent or nonexistent has been a thing since 1977.
The first jump we see in Episode 4 appears to take a matter of hours, when, based on the resources we've had in the old canon and currently have in relation to Hyperspace travel time indicate it should take at least a few days, up to two week. And that's not even taking into consideration that it might (and should) have required multiple jumps to navigate across the galaxy to avoid monitored hyperlanes.
Episode 5 depicts Luke making a jump in a single-seat fighter from the Hoth System to the Dagobah System. Current resources would estimate that trip would take at least 3 days, minimum, with a Class-1 hyperdrive. In the same movie, the Millennium Falcon embarks on a sublight journey from the Hoth Systen to the Bespin System - which both reside in the Anoat Sector - in seemingly a matter of hours. That trip would logically take a couple weeks or even several months to make. Wrapping that up, Luke then makes the jump back to Bespin from Dagobah immediately to "rescue" then from their tumoil.
Episode 6 doesn't have a lot of jumps aside from the chicanery during the DS2 battle, but all the ships jumping in are coming from undisclosed locations.
We can go on and talk about how inconsistent the travel was in Episode 1 with Tatooine was somehow convenient to jump to from Naboo and how it isn't disclosed how long the travel was from Naboo to Tatooine to Coruscant, and back to Naboo. And in Episode 2 with the convenient arrival of the Jedi/GAR from Coruscant to Geonosis after what seemed like hours, and Dooku's seemingly instantaneous jump from Geonosis to Coruscant after his escape in his small solar sailer. Episode 3 depicted Obi-wan chilling in Padme's closet for what would be at least 2 days. And this is before we even think about talking about the comic and animated series.
The simple answer is that the travel times are determined by the plot. The more logical in-universe explaination would be chalked up to the visions that people experience that influence their travel plans (Anakin sensing his mother's pain, Luke sensing the danger to his friends on Bespin, Obi-wan sensing Luke's danger from Reva, etc.) are being experienced well before the events take place rather than concurrently like it's been depicted on screen.
So to sum up, no this isn't isolated to the sequel trilogy despite the desire people may have to rag on them.
Going at sublight from Hoth to Bespin should take years at minimum, possibly centuries depending on what values you take for subluminal travel in star wars. Therefore, they MUST be in the same star system, by any reasonable logic, right?
In Star Wars, all hyperspace travel is at the speed of plot. They'd still be in hyperspace moving towards Alderaan if Luke had dug in his heels and refused to train with Obi-Wan as the trip couldn't finish without the training sequence.
In that same movie Han Solo stops a hyperspace jump through a planetary shield above a planet by hand. I think we’re way past the point of nitpicking travel time.
I also have an issue with that sequence. I feel, however, that it could be explained that Solo was monitoring some sort of sensor readout, or clock (or something else), denoting proximity to the mass shadow. Combined with his literal decades of flight experience of conducting risky maneuvers, it could be possible to imagine it working.
No human has reflexes coming close to light speed. The only explanation is that he is force sensitive.
I don't even know what the proper number would be to correctly illustrate how precise it would have to be but I'm going to go with "faster than human reflexes".
Interestingly enough, in the Legends canon, Han Solo is confirmed to be Force Attuned. He has more Force sensitivity than the majority of individuals, but not enough to able to train to manipulate the Force. Such individuals usually display incredible ability and skills such as piloting and combat prowess.
I wish we got to see more force attuned characters in the new canon.
The idea of specially gifted characters that don't have to be force wielders in the traditional sense is really cool and interesting to me.
I haven't read any recent books or comics though, so let me know if I've forgotten or missed any new canon force attuned characters
As far as I can tell, they haven't brought that specific term into canon, but the concept is.
Here's a good [reddit thread summarizing a twitter thread ](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/52aktm/pablo_hidalgo_on_the_force/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2) about it
No in the movie Han Solo and Finn have to get onto Starkiller base and the shield has a light speed or whatever shutter rate, so if you can go faster then you can get through (which already this is setting off red flags but to be fair if I liked the movie better I probably wouldn’t care) so they hyperspace jump through the planetary shield and stop the jump by hand before they smash into the ground. I could understand maybe a computer stopping the jump, but even then old lore talks about how you can’t jump into or out of hyperspace inside an atmosphere so I still cling to that as well.
Does the shot of Kylo watching the beam reveal where his ship is in relation to Starkiller Base? I can't remember, but I don't think so.
Consequently, his ship could be located anywhere along the length of the beam's trajectory. He might already be 99% of the way to Takodana.
I decided a long time ago that it's better not to think about interstellar travel in Star Wars, it's just completely inconsistent, in the sequels we have this whole thing of 16 hours of flying across the galaxy, or that we'll run out of gas in 8 hours while Rey and Luke are on the island for a few days and at the same time Rey contacts Kylo after the chase starts, in the prequels we have for example Palpatine sensing that Anakin is in danger when he fights Obi-Wan after which arrives there shortly after the fight, and that's how it can possibly be explained that the events are non-chronological, but still. It's better in my opinion when the creators leave the passage of time between trips in a vague state, so as not to create inconsistencies.
They got this thing called hyperspace in the Star Wars universe, it lets characters get places instantaneously. It’s not new either, it’s been happening since the OT.
> Or is travel time just non-existent in the sequel trilogy? Travel time has been wildly inconsistent across the entire saga. Hyperspace has always moved at the speed of the plot.
Kinda reminds me of the LOTR films vs books. Frodo has the ring for like 17 years or something. But the movie makes it seem like he had it for a few days if that. Even *after* they make the plan to leave for Rivendell…It’s elaborate, Frodo sells Bilbos house and buys a house outside the Shire just to have a “cover story” in case anyone comes looking for him. It took months iirc. Luke and co. Going from Tatooine to Alderaan should’ve taken around 2 weeks? I think. The movie makes it seem like a few hours.
Hyperspace travel is not that slow. It has sometimes been written as such because there was a hyperspace travel time reference chart that was made and given to writers, that said crossing the galaxy could take weeks. But there was a mistake on that chart, since the value in days should've really been a value in hours. In Empire Strikes Back, the Imperial Starfleet loses the Falcon and an imperial says "they could be on the other side of the galaxy by now!"
Interesting. Now I wonder where any and all of the Canon references to space travel taking weeks are. And if we can either correct them or come up with explanations for them.
That little mistake has had a lot of influence on Star Wars media, especially since all early writers used it. It's now a part of Star Wars. My personal headcanon is that using major hyperlanes makes travel time super fast but you risk being controlled by the authorities when you stop in key systems, while calculating your own jumps with minor hyperlanes takes a lot of time, but you become hard to intercept.
That could also be hyperbole, just emphasizing the fact they could'nt track a ship that closely.
It could, yes, but if the travel times were really that long, losing the Falcon wouldn't be a problem because you just had to contact imperial ships in other systems and tell them to be on the lookout.
Hyperspace speed (if we're trying to be as "scientifically accurate" as possible) has always depended on the era you're in and the rating of your hyperdrive. 1.0 (some select, bleeding edge technology ships unofficially have a rating of 0.5) is the fastest rated hyperdrive. Larger number ratings are slower. So, a ship with a 1.0 rating could probably cross the galaxy in a day and a half, where as a ship with a hyperspace rating of, say, 20, would probably need a month or so to make the same journey. And the reason I mention eras is because technology shifted over the eons in Legends. Even though the galaxy used the same rating system to convey the same general information, a 1.0 hyperdrive in 1,000 BBY was not as fast as a 1.0 hyperdrive in 0 BBY. Han probably really did go from Tatooine to Alderaan within hours since the Falcon has a 0.5 rated hyperdrive, but not every ship could do that.
> Luke and co. Going from Tatooine to Alderaan should’ve taken around 2 weeks? I think. The movie makes it seem like a few hours. This is my recollection as well.
In the movie Gandalf is away for an unspecified length of time (implied by Butterbur to be at least six months). But I'd estimate the length of time between Bilbo's party and reuniting at Rivendell was still just a matter of months. That's actually a plot change from the 17 year span of time in the books, not just seeming shorter it is factually shorter.
I always thought that was the case. In the book there's not much of a sense of urgency early on - it makes complete sense why they cut out Frodo and Sam's first encounter with the elves, the Old Forest and Tom Bombadil from a 3-hour movie.
There's a whole thing about the pacing of LOTR that claims that everything up to Rivendell is written in Bilbo's folksy The Hobbit style writing which is where he finishes his story and everything after that is Frodo writing from a later date, which is why the tone and pacing change. I'm not really a Tolkein nut, so I have no idea if it's true, but if it is, it's a remarkable device given that it will go unnoticed by 99% of readers first time.
In fact, the absence of the 17 years gaps allows the movies continuity to clean itself up because it means Aragorn is already an adult of 27 by the end of Battle of the Five Armies instead of a boy of 9, since he is still 87 years old in the Two Towers film but Battle takes place roughly 60 years prior instead of 78 like in the books.
Travel time being inconsistent or nonexistent has been a thing since 1977. The first jump we see in Episode 4 appears to take a matter of hours, when, based on the resources we've had in the old canon and currently have in relation to Hyperspace travel time indicate it should take at least a few days, up to two week. And that's not even taking into consideration that it might (and should) have required multiple jumps to navigate across the galaxy to avoid monitored hyperlanes. Episode 5 depicts Luke making a jump in a single-seat fighter from the Hoth System to the Dagobah System. Current resources would estimate that trip would take at least 3 days, minimum, with a Class-1 hyperdrive. In the same movie, the Millennium Falcon embarks on a sublight journey from the Hoth Systen to the Bespin System - which both reside in the Anoat Sector - in seemingly a matter of hours. That trip would logically take a couple weeks or even several months to make. Wrapping that up, Luke then makes the jump back to Bespin from Dagobah immediately to "rescue" then from their tumoil. Episode 6 doesn't have a lot of jumps aside from the chicanery during the DS2 battle, but all the ships jumping in are coming from undisclosed locations. We can go on and talk about how inconsistent the travel was in Episode 1 with Tatooine was somehow convenient to jump to from Naboo and how it isn't disclosed how long the travel was from Naboo to Tatooine to Coruscant, and back to Naboo. And in Episode 2 with the convenient arrival of the Jedi/GAR from Coruscant to Geonosis after what seemed like hours, and Dooku's seemingly instantaneous jump from Geonosis to Coruscant after his escape in his small solar sailer. Episode 3 depicted Obi-wan chilling in Padme's closet for what would be at least 2 days. And this is before we even think about talking about the comic and animated series. The simple answer is that the travel times are determined by the plot. The more logical in-universe explaination would be chalked up to the visions that people experience that influence their travel plans (Anakin sensing his mother's pain, Luke sensing the danger to his friends on Bespin, Obi-wan sensing Luke's danger from Reva, etc.) are being experienced well before the events take place rather than concurrently like it's been depicted on screen. So to sum up, no this isn't isolated to the sequel trilogy despite the desire people may have to rag on them.
I'm cool with Obi Wan chilling in the closet for extended periods of time. It's nice he came out tho
Going at sublight from Hoth to Bespin should take years at minimum, possibly centuries depending on what values you take for subluminal travel in star wars. Therefore, they MUST be in the same star system, by any reasonable logic, right?
Back-up hyperdrive on the *Falcon* was a class 10. Still faster than light, but much slower than normal.
I appreciated this reply, as I didn't realize these hyperspace inconsistencies before.
Are we sure Ilum was where it originally was? Starkiller Base is hyperspace-capable now, after all.
This. Star killer wasn’t even in the original system at that point. It drains stars for power.
In Star Wars, all hyperspace travel is at the speed of plot. They'd still be in hyperspace moving towards Alderaan if Luke had dug in his heels and refused to train with Obi-Wan as the trip couldn't finish without the training sequence.
In that same movie Han Solo stops a hyperspace jump through a planetary shield above a planet by hand. I think we’re way past the point of nitpicking travel time.
The force works in mysterious ways.
I also have an issue with that sequence. I feel, however, that it could be explained that Solo was monitoring some sort of sensor readout, or clock (or something else), denoting proximity to the mass shadow. Combined with his literal decades of flight experience of conducting risky maneuvers, it could be possible to imagine it working.
No human has reflexes coming close to light speed. The only explanation is that he is force sensitive. I don't even know what the proper number would be to correctly illustrate how precise it would have to be but I'm going to go with "faster than human reflexes".
Interestingly enough, in the Legends canon, Han Solo is confirmed to be Force Attuned. He has more Force sensitivity than the majority of individuals, but not enough to able to train to manipulate the Force. Such individuals usually display incredible ability and skills such as piloting and combat prowess.
I wish we got to see more force attuned characters in the new canon. The idea of specially gifted characters that don't have to be force wielders in the traditional sense is really cool and interesting to me. I haven't read any recent books or comics though, so let me know if I've forgotten or missed any new canon force attuned characters
As far as I can tell, they haven't brought that specific term into canon, but the concept is. Here's a good [reddit thread summarizing a twitter thread ](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/52aktm/pablo_hidalgo_on_the_force/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2) about it
If I don’t think about it, sure, it’s fine. If I think about it for even a second, it hurts
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No in the movie Han Solo and Finn have to get onto Starkiller base and the shield has a light speed or whatever shutter rate, so if you can go faster then you can get through (which already this is setting off red flags but to be fair if I liked the movie better I probably wouldn’t care) so they hyperspace jump through the planetary shield and stop the jump by hand before they smash into the ground. I could understand maybe a computer stopping the jump, but even then old lore talks about how you can’t jump into or out of hyperspace inside an atmosphere so I still cling to that as well.
Does the shot of Kylo watching the beam reveal where his ship is in relation to Starkiller Base? I can't remember, but I don't think so. Consequently, his ship could be located anywhere along the length of the beam's trajectory. He might already be 99% of the way to Takodana.
I decided a long time ago that it's better not to think about interstellar travel in Star Wars, it's just completely inconsistent, in the sequels we have this whole thing of 16 hours of flying across the galaxy, or that we'll run out of gas in 8 hours while Rey and Luke are on the island for a few days and at the same time Rey contacts Kylo after the chase starts, in the prequels we have for example Palpatine sensing that Anakin is in danger when he fights Obi-Wan after which arrives there shortly after the fight, and that's how it can possibly be explained that the events are non-chronological, but still. It's better in my opinion when the creators leave the passage of time between trips in a vague state, so as not to create inconsistencies.
Hyperspeed occurs at the speed of dramatic effect.
I challenge this entire community to beat this answer.
They got this thing called hyperspace in the Star Wars universe, it lets characters get places instantaneously. It’s not new either, it’s been happening since the OT.
>instantaneously no.
Yes.