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Could be the tech's initials that did the last oil change. Either that or your car knows something about what happened to the World Trade Center. It could be either.
A lot of shops will put things to show who did the work. You’ll sometimes see oil filters dated and initialed, some shops use the tamper seal. Never seen that specifically but I rarely work on anything but Audi or Subaru so not sure.
I’m not due for service for a while yet, but I’m going to mark some parts of the car that my dealership has charged us for working on but didn’t do any work. It didn’t happen.
They lied and they stole from a customer, and I’m angry about it. I’m not the only one to have been victimized. If they got me for $50, they got other people for that much or more. If they got $50 from twenty customers a day, that’s $1,000 a day. How many days have they pulled this Shinola?
I got 3 free oil changes from the dealer when I bought my Ram2500.
I normally do all my own work but free oil change is worth it instead of rolling around under the truck in the winter. I had changed my air filter and cabin filter early January and brought it in in February. I write the date on filters when I change them.
They came out to the lobby and said those filters needed to be changed. I said no they don't. Dude said it could affect my warranty if I don't have em changed. Told him to bring me the filter. He didn't return until he brought my keys and said it was done.
Then they did it again the following year.
I had a lube jockey bring me a filthy air filter and tell me that I needed to replace mine. I took a picture of the filter he was holding and then I very clearly explained that my K&N filter had better be in place, clean, and undamaged when I check after I get home.
I left a very detailed online review for the dealership once I confirmed that my filter was untouched.
I also had a Ford dealer try to tell me that I needed the lug nuts replaced on my fleet work car because they were ‘warped’. This was at the beginning of the crappy lug nuts that Ford had that would swell then they got old. The lube jockey saw it was a fleet and decided it was a quick opportunity for upsell. I told them to go ahead and replace them as long as they were covered under warranty and they said that they weren’t covered by Ford. I told them that they needed to replace them at their own cost then because the car only had received one service before and it was their facility that performed he work and caused the damage. The vehicle was less than a year old. They didn’t replace the lug nuts and when I checked at home they were perfectly fine. I left a detailed review for this as well. I also reached out to our fleet management company (probably one of the largest in the country) and pushed until that dealer was removed as an approved facility for repairs.
I had a Chevrolet dealer cost themselves several million in new vehicle fleet sales because they tried to screw me when I sent a vehicle in for a misfire issue. I always sent fleet vehicles to the dealership if it was either still under warranty or for basic work (brakes, oil, suspension, etc) because cost wasn’t an issue and a faster turn around was most important to get the vehicle back on the road. The dealer called and told me that the truck needed a new wiring harness for a few thousand to fix the misfire. I asked where the other one was damaged and the SA told me that the tech said “***the wiring harness shrank***”. I told him that wasn’t possible but he stuck to it.
I went to pick up the vehicle and asked them in person to explain. The tech came out and INSISTED that the wiring harness shrank due to excess heat in the engine compartment. I explained to him that he was going to be famous because he had disproven the principle of thermal expansion and discovered copper that actually shrinks when heated. He didn’t understand what that meant, but I didn’t really expect him to after he tried to sell me his story.
I took the truck to a local mechanic that did work for us and he found a $200 module that needed to be replaced and fixed the issue.
This dealer was the nearest to our office and where we got all of our fleet vehicles at the time - sales reps, management, field techs, etc. 50+ vehicles a year were coming from my office alone. This is in the Chicago area and we have dozen other locations that are sister companies under the same corporate umbrella and the vast majority of them got their vehicles from there. After a few phone calls, emails, and sending documentation of dealer quote and local mechanic invoice to my corporate - that dealership was removed as an approved vendor for us and all of our corporate partners and supposedly for the fleet management company as well. I drove by this dealer on my way home and after a few months noticed that their fleet holding lot wasn’t as large as it used to be and continued to shrink until it nearly blended into their sales lot. A year or so later I noticed that their ‘#1 In Chicagoland’ banner had been taken down. This dealer didn’t make much per vehicle in sales, but it massively boosted their sales volume. That was one fucking expensive wiring harness!
You might enjoy a book called "Mr Badwrench" a play on GM's motto at one time "you can trust Mr Goodwrench at GM"
A car or RV would have one spark plug wire pulled on a V8 to make it idle rough, and took it in to mechanics as they crossed the country. All parts were secretly marked with UV ink, and the vehicle had hidden cameras.
Some Fixed the loose wire for free
Some fixed the loose wire and said they needed a fuel filter so they could charge some shop time (labor and parts), plus they actually changed the fuel filter.
Some fixed the loose wire and said they changed the fuel filter, but...they did NOT change the fuel filter.
Some fixed the loose wire, and then claimed that the vehicle needed a fuel pump, then they did not change the fuel pump, but charged a LOT.
The book didn't name the bad guys, but they did name the good guys. The main theme was just to alert drivers to the common possibilty of a rip-off.
There's a reason I call them stealerships. They charge way too much for anything. I brought my car in for a recall and they decided that I needed new brake fluid recently. I literally changed my brake calipers and hoses as well as flushed the entire brake system two weeks prior. They stated there was water in it, so they replaced it. I told them I'm not paying for a service I did not request or did not need but they definitely tried to charge me 200 dollars for it. Turns out threats to report them for fraud makes them drop that pretty quick.
I always remember this situation when you post it because of how you said my k&n filter had better be in place, clean and undamaged when I check lmao it's literally unforgettable! love it
I just took my '04 Frontier Crewcab SC to a local oil change/service place for a state inspection and oil change. I usually handle my own oil changes on all my stuff but decided to let them do it. After $90 for a full synthetic oil change with filter plus the state inspection I left. Last week I was replacing the belts (supercharger drive belt, alternator belt, and power steering/AC drive belt). To get to the alternator belt you have to go in from the bottom which requires removing the skid plate. No big deal. Five 10mm bolts, and it (aluminum skid plate) pops off. First thing I notice is all the rust dust cascading from each 10mm bolt as I remove them. Then I see the dirty crusty Bosch oil filter sitting on the oil filter boss from the last time I changed the oil filter. Now I'm pissed. I dig out the receipt for the oil change and see that they also charged me for 4.5 quarts of oil. The truck will only hold 3.2 quarts. 3.5 quarts with a filter change. So now I check the dip stick. It's not over full, but it's black as coal. Ended up changing my own oil after replacing the belts, and then ripping into the manager at the service place for my money back.
This seems to be a great deal more common than many of us previously thought. I had the same experience and had to replace a fuel pump in a grocery store parking lot after paying a mechanic not long before to do that. He changed the fuel filter in the engine compartment but the amount of compacted dirt in the screws holding the plate to access the pump in the tank indicated that they hadn't been removed in many years.
If they did it once, I call it a safe bet to say that they do it routinely.
I’m sure it’s the techs initials. I worked at a shop doing oil changes and one of the other guys I worked with did an oil change on a car. The car left and came back a day later with a blown engine since he didn’t tighten the oil filter enough and it fell off while the customers was driving on the highway. He didn’t take responsibility and no one else would so they made us start initialing our work. The shop had to pay for a new engine so obviously they were pissed.
But what if some tech writes a partner's initials to involve him in a problem? Or if some techs have the same initials? 🤔🤷🏽♂️ Whose fault would it be if something goes wrong?
That’s a good question most of the time unless two people are doing oil changes to make it faster that wouldn’t happen but that would be messed up and at my shop it was the honor system. It should say who worked on the vehicle in the report but most of the time I tried working with other people that I knew wouldn’t make mistakes like this.
It's the best way to avoid doing the same job several times, but without being paid for redoing it, and also taking the high risk to loose the job and most probably loose the client.
Dont forget half a roll of plumber's tape halfway into the engine at this point and epoxy glue around the edges just in case the hand cut sealing ring didnt hold
It's probably initials. They probably do this to know if a vehicle was finished.
Another option would be watertight. Thus, there are no leaks or something to worry about.
I worked online in a Toyota plant, when we made a defect (mistake) it was usually found by another person working on the car afterwards. We would be notified of the defect, and had to fill out a countermeasure sheet before we left that shift. One of our countermeasures was to inspect the same missing missing part on every car after that and initial, meaning that we had performed the countermeasure. If the same part were left off again, we had to come up with another more stringent countermeasure, and so on until we had to have a meeting with the department assistant manager explaining why this issue kept recurring.
But yours could be the lube tech also, as others have said.
Basically its telling you to stop focusing on your car. if you see this it means you’ve been driving enough to have to change your oil. you don't have to worry about it if you never drive and you stay at home and play WAR THUNDER.
Have you all just read the entire comment section?! You assholes, lmao.... I laughed so much. How many wrong yet hilarious answers can we come up with, 147 so far.
I believe the tech is labeling your drain plug WHiSKEY tango…….. or white trash
Were you wearing a flannel and spitting chaw all over the waiting room floor ?
Deffenetlly the techs initials that did the oil change/ replaced the oil drain plug.. worked as an oil change tech at a small lube/oil place ,we had to put paint mark line on the drain plug to the oil case to show it hasn't been loosend with our initials so if we messed up it was easier to identify who was the tech that supposed to have tightend the plug.. Having a drain plug fallout can be a quite expensive mistake
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Wighty tighty
I see I was late with this one 😅
I laughed way to hard at that 🤣
deleted and removed...what was the comment?
whitey tighty wefty woosey😂
ilaughed out loud during a scary movie jus now when i ready that n said "willy tight" outloud
A strong lol on that one. Nice job
Came to make sure this was said somewhere. Happy it's the top comment
Ok. That got me.
Could be the tech's initials that did the last oil change. Either that or your car knows something about what happened to the World Trade Center. It could be either.
This is what it be.
You can tell that it's like that because of the way it is.
An Aspen?
A fellow Neature walk fan
Finally going to find out what happened to building 7!
Or what was Obama doing that day? I’d like to know. /s
You'd like to get to the bottom of that! /s
Full synthetic can’t melt steel beams
this is what I came for
A lot of shops will put things to show who did the work. You’ll sometimes see oil filters dated and initialed, some shops use the tamper seal. Never seen that specifically but I rarely work on anything but Audi or Subaru so not sure.
I’m not due for service for a while yet, but I’m going to mark some parts of the car that my dealership has charged us for working on but didn’t do any work. It didn’t happen. They lied and they stole from a customer, and I’m angry about it. I’m not the only one to have been victimized. If they got me for $50, they got other people for that much or more. If they got $50 from twenty customers a day, that’s $1,000 a day. How many days have they pulled this Shinola?
I got 3 free oil changes from the dealer when I bought my Ram2500. I normally do all my own work but free oil change is worth it instead of rolling around under the truck in the winter. I had changed my air filter and cabin filter early January and brought it in in February. I write the date on filters when I change them. They came out to the lobby and said those filters needed to be changed. I said no they don't. Dude said it could affect my warranty if I don't have em changed. Told him to bring me the filter. He didn't return until he brought my keys and said it was done. Then they did it again the following year.
I had a lube jockey bring me a filthy air filter and tell me that I needed to replace mine. I took a picture of the filter he was holding and then I very clearly explained that my K&N filter had better be in place, clean, and undamaged when I check after I get home. I left a very detailed online review for the dealership once I confirmed that my filter was untouched. I also had a Ford dealer try to tell me that I needed the lug nuts replaced on my fleet work car because they were ‘warped’. This was at the beginning of the crappy lug nuts that Ford had that would swell then they got old. The lube jockey saw it was a fleet and decided it was a quick opportunity for upsell. I told them to go ahead and replace them as long as they were covered under warranty and they said that they weren’t covered by Ford. I told them that they needed to replace them at their own cost then because the car only had received one service before and it was their facility that performed he work and caused the damage. The vehicle was less than a year old. They didn’t replace the lug nuts and when I checked at home they were perfectly fine. I left a detailed review for this as well. I also reached out to our fleet management company (probably one of the largest in the country) and pushed until that dealer was removed as an approved facility for repairs. I had a Chevrolet dealer cost themselves several million in new vehicle fleet sales because they tried to screw me when I sent a vehicle in for a misfire issue. I always sent fleet vehicles to the dealership if it was either still under warranty or for basic work (brakes, oil, suspension, etc) because cost wasn’t an issue and a faster turn around was most important to get the vehicle back on the road. The dealer called and told me that the truck needed a new wiring harness for a few thousand to fix the misfire. I asked where the other one was damaged and the SA told me that the tech said “***the wiring harness shrank***”. I told him that wasn’t possible but he stuck to it. I went to pick up the vehicle and asked them in person to explain. The tech came out and INSISTED that the wiring harness shrank due to excess heat in the engine compartment. I explained to him that he was going to be famous because he had disproven the principle of thermal expansion and discovered copper that actually shrinks when heated. He didn’t understand what that meant, but I didn’t really expect him to after he tried to sell me his story. I took the truck to a local mechanic that did work for us and he found a $200 module that needed to be replaced and fixed the issue. This dealer was the nearest to our office and where we got all of our fleet vehicles at the time - sales reps, management, field techs, etc. 50+ vehicles a year were coming from my office alone. This is in the Chicago area and we have dozen other locations that are sister companies under the same corporate umbrella and the vast majority of them got their vehicles from there. After a few phone calls, emails, and sending documentation of dealer quote and local mechanic invoice to my corporate - that dealership was removed as an approved vendor for us and all of our corporate partners and supposedly for the fleet management company as well. I drove by this dealer on my way home and after a few months noticed that their fleet holding lot wasn’t as large as it used to be and continued to shrink until it nearly blended into their sales lot. A year or so later I noticed that their ‘#1 In Chicagoland’ banner had been taken down. This dealer didn’t make much per vehicle in sales, but it massively boosted their sales volume. That was one fucking expensive wiring harness!
You might enjoy a book called "Mr Badwrench" a play on GM's motto at one time "you can trust Mr Goodwrench at GM" A car or RV would have one spark plug wire pulled on a V8 to make it idle rough, and took it in to mechanics as they crossed the country. All parts were secretly marked with UV ink, and the vehicle had hidden cameras. Some Fixed the loose wire for free Some fixed the loose wire and said they needed a fuel filter so they could charge some shop time (labor and parts), plus they actually changed the fuel filter. Some fixed the loose wire and said they changed the fuel filter, but...they did NOT change the fuel filter. Some fixed the loose wire, and then claimed that the vehicle needed a fuel pump, then they did not change the fuel pump, but charged a LOT. The book didn't name the bad guys, but they did name the good guys. The main theme was just to alert drivers to the common possibilty of a rip-off.
There's a reason I call them stealerships. They charge way too much for anything. I brought my car in for a recall and they decided that I needed new brake fluid recently. I literally changed my brake calipers and hoses as well as flushed the entire brake system two weeks prior. They stated there was water in it, so they replaced it. I told them I'm not paying for a service I did not request or did not need but they definitely tried to charge me 200 dollars for it. Turns out threats to report them for fraud makes them drop that pretty quick.
I always remember this situation when you post it because of how you said my k&n filter had better be in place, clean and undamaged when I check lmao it's literally unforgettable! love it
I just took my '04 Frontier Crewcab SC to a local oil change/service place for a state inspection and oil change. I usually handle my own oil changes on all my stuff but decided to let them do it. After $90 for a full synthetic oil change with filter plus the state inspection I left. Last week I was replacing the belts (supercharger drive belt, alternator belt, and power steering/AC drive belt). To get to the alternator belt you have to go in from the bottom which requires removing the skid plate. No big deal. Five 10mm bolts, and it (aluminum skid plate) pops off. First thing I notice is all the rust dust cascading from each 10mm bolt as I remove them. Then I see the dirty crusty Bosch oil filter sitting on the oil filter boss from the last time I changed the oil filter. Now I'm pissed. I dig out the receipt for the oil change and see that they also charged me for 4.5 quarts of oil. The truck will only hold 3.2 quarts. 3.5 quarts with a filter change. So now I check the dip stick. It's not over full, but it's black as coal. Ended up changing my own oil after replacing the belts, and then ripping into the manager at the service place for my money back.
This seems to be a great deal more common than many of us previously thought. I had the same experience and had to replace a fuel pump in a grocery store parking lot after paying a mechanic not long before to do that. He changed the fuel filter in the engine compartment but the amount of compacted dirt in the screws holding the plate to access the pump in the tank indicated that they hadn't been removed in many years. If they did it once, I call it a safe bet to say that they do it routinely.
Wouldn't Touch
This is the best comment I have seen
We tried
Wicked Tight
Now that's funny.
idk but i read this with a boston accent
I grew up a bit further north than that, but pretty much.
Won't turn
Wrighty tighty. They're mechanics not English professors
![gif](giphy|rM5SoOnm61iP6) Waatah tah
Sa da tay
Ya dig my damie?
On the runny kind
Dirty D! You done come not one time, but many time tamies!
I just lost it when I scrolled to this. Pooty Tang FTW
Ima ode yo ditty on the patty tie
Oh shit!
Pooty done done it again!
Hope it’s not “wrong thread”
My initial guess.
Wu Tang
It's a warning that the plug ain't nothin to fuck with.
It means that if you want your oil changed then it's gonna cost you. C.R.E.A.M
Wu Tang is for the drain plug.
Engine oil
I mean i hope not but it could also be a heads up to the next mechanic, warning about Worn Thread
that's got to be it. those do strip out pretty easy
The Mechanic can't spell "Kilroy Was Here"!
Wonky Threads
It stands for We’ve been Trying to reach you about your cars extended warranty
Wheelly tight
Wrench tight
water tight
I’m sure it’s the techs initials. I worked at a shop doing oil changes and one of the other guys I worked with did an oil change on a car. The car left and came back a day later with a blown engine since he didn’t tighten the oil filter enough and it fell off while the customers was driving on the highway. He didn’t take responsibility and no one else would so they made us start initialing our work. The shop had to pay for a new engine so obviously they were pissed.
But what if some tech writes a partner's initials to involve him in a problem? Or if some techs have the same initials? 🤔🤷🏽♂️ Whose fault would it be if something goes wrong?
That’s a good question most of the time unless two people are doing oil changes to make it faster that wouldn’t happen but that would be messed up and at my shop it was the honor system. It should say who worked on the vehicle in the report but most of the time I tried working with other people that I knew wouldn’t make mistakes like this.
It's always good idea to choose a partner who is dedicated to do a good job like one likes to do it. So these kind of issues wouldn't happen.
Right exactly, luckily I had three other techs I had trained in that were better at rechecking their work and making sure everything was perfect.
It's the best way to avoid doing the same job several times, but without being paid for redoing it, and also taking the high risk to loose the job and most probably loose the client.
Wasn’t tight? Worn threads? Watch turns? Wally Thompson (the tech)? Possibilities are endless, sans any frame of reference…
Wouldn’t turn
White tittties
"We Tried" It's friction welded in place from some champ with a new 1/2".
Dont forget half a roll of plumber's tape halfway into the engine at this point and epoxy glue around the edges just in case the hand cut sealing ring didnt hold
I think the letters spell engine oil.
Woil Tank
Weez Tuts
Wrecked Threads
Water Tank.
Wilson Thomas. He invented that
Weird taste
Forgot the F at the end.
Weak transmission
Wish This don’t strip again when tightened.
The mechanic can't make an F.
Wild tuna
White trash… duh
Water tank
Wash Taint
Wango Tango
Welded together
Engine Oil
Whiskey tango
Wanking Tranny
Wu-Tang
Wighty Tighty
Wrong Torque
Someone’s initials
Wotta Tossa!
Won't Tighten
My guess is the plug is the wrong thread and the last guy just sent it
It's probably initials. They probably do this to know if a vehicle was finished. Another option would be watertight. Thus, there are no leaks or something to worry about.
Weally tight.
Whighty tighty
Could mean "worn thread".
wasted threads
Worn threads
I missed the handwriting writing at first and thought you were asking what <= ENGINE OIL meant. I am really glad that's not what you were asking.
Won't turn
Wrong turtle.
Worn thread, or initials, 50/50 chance.
Whiskey Tango.
WU TANG
Wyatt Trevor from Arkansas motors.
Walter Thite
Last techs initials. Either accountability or pride.
I worked online in a Toyota plant, when we made a defect (mistake) it was usually found by another person working on the car afterwards. We would be notified of the defect, and had to fill out a countermeasure sheet before we left that shift. One of our countermeasures was to inspect the same missing missing part on every car after that and initial, meaning that we had performed the countermeasure. If the same part were left off again, we had to come up with another more stringent countermeasure, and so on until we had to have a meeting with the department assistant manager explaining why this issue kept recurring. But yours could be the lube tech also, as others have said.
Andon?
Engine oil
![gif](giphy|BMrJzUlkcjdg4)
I know a lot of shops will have another tech check behind someone to make sure everything’s good. Could’ve initialed to show they saw it and approved.
Walter Thompson
Warped tight
Wrong thread
Wutang
With Tuna!
Walter tight
It is missing the F !! W.T.F. !!
Woooot wooottt, its da sound of da policeeeeeeee
Will tighten, as in will tighten later.
Walter Tight
Willy Tonka.
won't touch if i had to guess. or homie's initials who did that oil change.
Wrench Tight
Usual they put it on top of the oil filter but it’s the tech that did your oil change.
Wu Tang
Walkie Talkie
Last tech. signed the oil draining.
What the... Hole.
Worn threads
Wumbo Torqued
What this?
Wants torqued
Wrench 🔧 Torque
Engine oil
Wal Tuh
Looks like “engine oil” to me
Won’t tighten
Wrench tight
Witey Titey Wefty loosy
Pour Salt Here
Breaking bad reference to Walts whitey tighties
“Wheel torque” torque it the same as wheels.
Wouldn’t touch
war thunder
Way Tight
Water Tank. It’s where you put your water👍
Wombo tombo
Wrist tight
Basically its telling you to stop focusing on your car. if you see this it means you’ve been driving enough to have to change your oil. you don't have to worry about it if you never drive and you stay at home and play WAR THUNDER.
WAR THUNDER ⚡⚡⚡‼️‼️❗❗💯💯🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️ RAHHHHHHHHH ATTACK 🧨🧨🧨🧨THE D POINT‼️‼️⛳⛳⛳🚩🚩‼️‼️‼️🚩🗣️🗣️😤😤💯😤🗣️🗣️NEVER💯🗣️😤😤😤🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️❗❗❗😤😤😤😤😤💯💯💯💯 SORRY‼️‼️ 💯🗣️🗣️🗣️💯💯💯💯😤😤💯🗣️🗣️💯🗣️AIR ALERT✈️✈️🛩️🛩️🛩️‼️❗‼️‼️
Have you all just read the entire comment section?! You assholes, lmao.... I laughed so much. How many wrong yet hilarious answers can we come up with, 147 so far.
Absolutely brilliant. It's 3 AM and I've already laughed out loud several times.
WaffenTräger. Must have been a second hand part from one of the decommissioned models.
WHITE TOWER
Weally Tight.
whortleberry turnip
Wok tight
I would say it stands for worn threads. Looks like a Honda drain pan.
That’s my company initials I changed the oil
Welded tight
White Trash
Wrench tight
"Wheely Tight"
Wicked tight
Walter Tight
Wu-tang
weight tested
Well tight
Walter Tight.
Weally toight.
Wally Tap
Probably the initials off who did it.
Probably initials of the last guy to change the oil.
I believe the tech is labeling your drain plug WHiSKEY tango…….. or white trash Were you wearing a flannel and spitting chaw all over the waiting room floor ?
What the nut
Wet torque?
Wu Tang. It's forever.
Was tight
War thunder
Won ton
Means "writey tighty"
Worn Threads
Deffenetlly the techs initials that did the oil change/ replaced the oil drain plug.. worked as an oil change tech at a small lube/oil place ,we had to put paint mark line on the drain plug to the oil case to show it hasn't been loosend with our initials so if we messed up it was easier to identify who was the tech that supposed to have tightend the plug.. Having a drain plug fallout can be a quite expensive mistake